We saints today have quite a bit of work to do in our present state of affairs here in the USA. As our scripture points out, many are doing the work of God, but for the wrong reasons. We need to be like Daniel and pray for our nation and the direction we are heading too. Daniel 9; and our leadership as we are directed to in 1 Timothy 2: 1-4.
Thank you all for your comments and discussion on this forum. May we stand fast in the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ.
May 22, 2022 The Lord shine His face on everyone and bless us as we go through our current situation emotionally, economically, physically, but most of all spiritually.
11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the Lord, and say, Is not the Lord among us? none evil can come upon us.
Unsaved officials in the US are becoming more and more oppressive towards innocent Americans, especially towards infants and conservatives.
Judges rule in favor of whatever political power they want to please or in favor of whoever gives them enough money to pervert justice. Priests craft their influence to appeal to all sorts of people, even to rebels against God. Teachers teach whatever the unions and secular school boards tell them, whether the instruction is right or not. Politicians promote the bad policies of wicked donars with evil agendas, and so forth.
Hello Keith. I'm unsure whether you mean that the preacher should request payment for his services or whether he should accept it as a gift?
For the former option, my understanding is there should not be a request for payment or salary. I also understand that the role of today's pastors/teachers within a Fellowship is generally a paid position, as those serving in such a capacity also need to pay bills & have their needs met, but in the NT Church this wasn't the case. At that time, elders were appointed to lead, direct & teach their congregations from the Word & they also had their own jobs to attend to. In the case of the Apostle Paul, he worked for a living as well ministered to others ( 1 Corinthians 4:11-13; 1 Corinthians 9:6; Acts 18:1-3). As far as I know, the Brethren Assemblies & maybe some very small house Churches only follow that principle today.
Whether a preacher should accept payment as a gift: I think that would be in order to do, as the Fellowship has set aside this 'gift of thanks & appreciation' to the one who has taken the trouble to prepare & deliver God's Word to them. What the preacher does with that gift (i.e. to use it for his needs or to return it back via the offering plate) would be his choice. Again, to use Paul's example, he often received such gifts, most likely in 'kind' rather than monetary, & he saw no problem in doing so. 1 Corinthians 9:11-14; Philippians 4:10-19; 2 Corinthians 11:7-9 ("wages" (v8) allows for both a 'payment, provisions, support').
I always maintain the position, that the preacher should share the Gospel/God's Word free of charge. If he is placed in a full-time position within a Fellowship, then he can receive whatever the eldership determines, even a nominal amount. If he is an itinerant preacher, he either supports himself from his own resources or by doing other work, and fully trusts the Lord to meet his needs. And many have gone to serve overseas based on that dependence on the Lord.
This chapter calls us to JUDGE. U must be like WHAT? Well this chapter says that they didnt judge. This world judges not correctly. V9 says that people HATE judgement whenever there is a touchy subject like heterosexual vs. Homo u get comments like"Dont judge me". Verse 8 says he has the HOLY SPIRIT AND judgement. Remember if something is not straight it is crooked or, wicked. The same is this. Someone cannot be semiheretical and still have the Holy Ghost. Verse 5 says that people these days are hypocritical. Lets say the BLM movement. SOME people are saying " Safety, Safety!" But they're looting! People are saying, why not all religions come together and make hormony. But still we see they are persecuting Christ-ans.
In Micah ch 1 we are told he spoke to Judah & Samaria (Northern Israel). But in chapter 2 & 3 Micah uses the name of Jacob to identify his audience. Interesting, because the correct names would be Judah & Israel - but Judah means "Praise", which belongs to God. And Israel means "Prince of God", so both names give honour to God. Jacob was the 'father,s' name before it was changed to Israel ( Genesis 32). Jacob means "Trickster". So in the use of the names we are being told that the punishment was due to the nation forgetting God, using cunning in worshipping idols, & not giving true PRAISE to the One who called them His people, nor living as PRINCES of God.
While reading in spirit the Lord gave me this, "an unfaithful spirit gives nothing an unfaithful thought gave an idea of nothing.amen I know the Lord hates anything one that's not of him but if the effort is there and I'm weak or just pitiful and I try not to have the same issue thought and I get a scripture of angry mean now I'm scared. What if I die in anger jealous where's my soul after effort?
Good Morning in IL. 7:30 using my daughters computer wow look at me. I'm still reading just digging in and boy I must say the LORD GOD is Tired! Is he angry or what? I had to stop and think of the other Scripture that was given to me a while back Ezkl. he was angry in that one also unless I'm wrong? Is he angry at me? again lol I'm trying Lord I'm not Jesus.
Mich 's message strongly condemns false testimony. likewise today, if a disciple of Christ cannot engage in truthful speech, this person will cause many to distrust the speech of believers and diminish their christian witness.
For sure what is talked of in this scripture is happening in the world today.....but my concern goes to the congregation that continues to listen and follow these false prophets....we all know that Jesus paid the ultimate price,so why do people continue to follow such prophets??????
Verse 11 jumps out at me. How the priests teach for hire.Yet the Lord shares freely the scriptures.The prophets divine for money what is also freely given, though I suspect these are not true prophets that are being spoken of.It sounds too much like what is happening in our world today.
I have been reading this chapter for two years and studying it. This message is definitely for today. God has put this in my heart to go in His power to wherever He sends me to preach this message. There are a lot of people who are guilty today of what these priests were doing.
Micah in 3:8 was portraying uniqueness of the spirit of God.HePronunced that he is saturated with power only by the Lords spirit.This explains that the power we have as christian is given to us through God's spirit.
In Christ name...
In Christ name...
This is a good word for me today.
Thank you all for your comments and discussion on this forum. May we stand fast in the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ.
May 22, 2022 The Lord shine His face on everyone and bless us as we go through our current situation emotionally, economically, physically, but most of all spiritually.
11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the Lord, and say, Is not the Lord among us? none evil can come upon us.
Unsaved officials in the US are becoming more and more oppressive towards innocent Americans, especially towards infants and conservatives.
Judges rule in favor of whatever political power they want to please or in favor of whoever gives them enough money to pervert justice. Priests craft their influence to appeal to all sorts of people, even to rebels against God. Teachers teach whatever the unions and secular school boards tell them, whether the instruction is right or not. Politicians promote the bad policies of wicked donars with evil agendas, and so forth.
For the former option, my understanding is there should not be a request for payment or salary. I also understand that the role of today's pastors/teachers within a Fellowship is generally a paid position, as those serving in such a capacity also need to pay bills & have their needs met, but in the NT Church this wasn't the case. At that time, elders were appointed to lead, direct & teach their congregations from the Word & they also had their own jobs to attend to. In the case of the Apostle Paul, he worked for a living as well ministered to others ( 1 Corinthians 4:11-13; 1 Corinthians 9:6; Acts 18:1-3). As far as I know, the Brethren Assemblies & maybe some very small house Churches only follow that principle today.
Whether a preacher should accept payment as a gift: I think that would be in order to do, as the Fellowship has set aside this 'gift of thanks & appreciation' to the one who has taken the trouble to prepare & deliver God's Word to them. What the preacher does with that gift (i.e. to use it for his needs or to return it back via the offering plate) would be his choice. Again, to use Paul's example, he often received such gifts, most likely in 'kind' rather than monetary, & he saw no problem in doing so. 1 Corinthians 9:11-14; Philippians 4:10-19; 2 Corinthians 11:7-9 ("wages" (v8) allows for both a 'payment, provisions, support').
I always maintain the position, that the preacher should share the Gospel/God's Word free of charge. If he is placed in a full-time position within a Fellowship, then he can receive whatever the eldership determines, even a nominal amount. If he is an itinerant preacher, he either supports himself from his own resources or by doing other work, and fully trusts the Lord to meet his needs. And many have gone to serve overseas based on that dependence on the Lord.
Let us judge all things as Jesus said.
Let us lean from their mistakes.
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