Scripture tells us plainly we have a body and soul. The soul returns to God who gave it. The parable of the rich man tells us, he lifted up his eyes in hell. Period.
Luke 16:22-23 ESV / 6 helpful votesNot Helpful. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. read the rest yourself. (Hades is not hell, But a place where we will be judged.)
How do you understand Luke 16:19-31? Some believe it to be another parable of Jesus, but the fact that Jesus uses first names seems to indicate that Jesus was speaking of real people in real situations.
And Paul also speaks in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 of the fact that while he is in the body (alive on Earth) he is not in God's Presence. But if he is absent in the body (no longer alive on Earth), then he is in God's Presence. Again, some would say that there is a 'gap' between death & man's spirit going to be with the Lord or to Hell but I can't grasp this interpretation, given Paul's inference of a 'no gap' declaration.
We also see 1 Peter 3:18-20, where "Jesus was quickened by the Spirit (after His Crucifixion) & by the Spirit visited those other spirits held captive in prison, those who were disobedient from Noah's days. The point here is not who those spirits were but that they were held captive, whether in a state of suffering or in transition to another state of punishment.
What should we make of such indicators of one's spirit (& soul) departing at death to a place of rest or torment?
The Bible teaches that the WICKED DEAD are awaiting the Great White Throne Judgement. Everyone has to see their deeds and be judged. Hell is for those that Reject Gods plan of Salvation totally.
Nobody is burning in Hell right now. Those who have ever lived and died are asleep in the grave waiting for the return of Christ and the resurrection. Notice that the Apostle Paul does not describe dead Christians as being active or alive in heaven.
They are asleep-dead-until they are resurrected at Christ's second coming. See 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18.
Paul used sleep as a metaphor for death. Yet, from an early age, most of us have been taught that sinners who died were right now being tormented in eternal hellfire. Who's right? Paul or your Sunday School teacher? The Bible says Paul got it right!
But what about Revelation 20:10? Many use this scripture to "prove" that at least two human beings-the "Beast" (Antichrist) and the "False Prophet"-will be tormented eternally in Hell. So let's take a closer look:
"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the Beast, and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" ( Revelation 20:10).
Look closely at that verse. Do you notice that one word-are-is in italics? That means it isn't part of the Greek text, but was added by translators trying to "make clear" what's in the verse. The problem is, the translators made it clearly wrong!
Satan the Devil will go to the same destination as the Beast and the False Prophet but he will go there as a spirit-being, and will be there long after the Beast and False Prophet-like other unrepentant sinners ( Revelation 19:20; 20:15) have been burned up and destroyed ( Matthew 25:41).
We're not given any details after the Ark finally rested on dry land & the Covenant God made between Him & all generations issuing from his sons (i.e. to set a rainbow in the sky as His promise never to destroy the Earth with a flood).
We do know that Noah & his wife looked after some land, planting a vineyard ( Gen 9:20) & eventually he died at 950 yrs of age (verse 29). He would have been over 500 yrs old when the Ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat, so was still in his 'prime' though we don't know of his wife's state. Since the Bible only speaks of the Earth being populated through his sons (verse 19), we have to assume that these boys were all he had, for if there were any more sons, then we might well have races that are separate to what is revealed. Maybe he had daughters.
The Genesis flood narrative tells how Noah and his three sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, together with their wives, were saved from the Deluge to repopulate the Earth. ... In chapter 11 verses 10-26 a second list of descendants of Shem names Abraham and thus the Israelites.
In the Book of Jubilees (160-150 BC) the names of the wives of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth are as follows:
* Wife of Noah - Emzara.
* Wife of Shem - Sedeqetelebab.
* Wife of Ham - Na'eltama'uk.
* Wife of Japheth - 'Adataneses.
In the Biblical view, the listed children of Japheth, Shem and Ham correspond to various historic nations and peoples. In the typical interpretation, these sons of Noah correspond to three races: European, Semitic, and African. Alternate divisions claim Euro-Asian Japhet, Semitic Shem, and Afro-Asian Ham.
The Genesis Rabba midrash lists Naamah, the daughter of Lamech and sister of Tubal-Cain, as the wife of Noah, as does the 11th-century Jewish commentator Rashi in his commentary on Genesis 4:22.
In the medieval midrash Parry, J. H. (ed.). "5:15". Book of Jasher. Translated by Moses, Samuel., the name of Noah's wife is said to be Naamah, daughter of Enoch.
Since the 17th century a number of suggestions have been made that relate the name Ham to a Hebrew word for "burnt", "black" or "hot", to the Egyptian word m for "servant" or the word m for "majesty" or the Egyptian word kmt for "Egypt".[4] A 2004 review of David Goldenberg's The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity and Islam (2003) states that Goldenberg "argues persuasively that the biblical name Ham bears no relationship at all to the notion of blackness and as of now is of UNKNOWN (color) etymology.
Just use Google and look At Noah's maps and charts on Geneology.
Yes we all come from Adam but as Esdras writes in, 2 Esdras 6:56
"As for the other people which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like vnto spittle, and hast likened the abundance of them vnto a drop that falleth from a vessell." God does not care for the other nation because he will return for his lost Tribes
Our Eternal Father loves us all so much. Keep your faith in Him. He will never leave you. Trust in Him to know what is best for you as He knows everything. Trust proves love.
"God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Jesus Christ died for us."
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."
"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus be made manifest in our body."
"Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:"
"Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you."
You are all in my prayers. "Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." God Bless everyone!
Stay with me God admonished both Eve and Satan in the Garden about what they had done, Then Adam knew his wife I believe that's when God greatly multiply thy sorrow and tho conception
This means a spiritual or metaphorical father, not a birth or literal father. What's interesting is in the same verse in John 8:44 if you notice at the end satan is also called the 'father of lies'. So, does that mean he literally gives birth to them and a lie baby comes out? Nope, it's a metaphor. Just like when Jesus said to eat his flesh and blood he didn't mean to literally engage in cannibalism.
On Angels not being able to father children what about the fallen angels that followed satan,they left Heaven and found the daughters fair and took them that they wanted that is why there were geber "gaints" that is what the Noah flood was about
In reply to Satan not being cains father it is possible for a women to have twins by two different fathers. Where it says she continued in labor let's you know that they were twins
Satan was not Cains father. Where did you get that? Cain was Adam and Eves son. Satan is a angel ( a bad angel). There fore he could not have sex with Eve. Angels do not have sex for they are neither male or female.
True Fred, The gates of hell will not prevail against the Lord Jesus's bride, the True Church of God. However there may be members who crept in unawares. Members of this Body need to prove first each others repentance experiences and then their walk in Christ whether it has the fruits of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, Spirit which is also His Holy Spirit that guides the whole Church and individual born again members in His Holy and undefiled ways, with love and mercy and grace. All made possible by the finished work of Jesus Christ at Calvary in and on the cross of suffering for our sins so that we as souls can find redemption from our dead works that will have only have lead us to eternal separation, death and hell in the eternal lake of fire reserved for Satan and the fallen angels. This place, this Hell has no pull on the saved believing soul, and this same soul in reasonable service should be compelled to warn others by living, preaching the Word and Truth of the Gospel of Christ Jesus or Savior and friend. Why this Gospel is being made more complicated to where children of this earth cannot come to Jesus is of the anti-Christ.
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducee.Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I have taken these scriptures as they appear before me as I read other comments. The anti Christ will deceive the very elect!
Outter darkness thus being the hell they are called from for the white throng judgement and cast into the lake of fire thus the second death !
And Paul also speaks in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 of the fact that while he is in the body (alive on Earth) he is not in God's Presence. But if he is absent in the body (no longer alive on Earth), then he is in God's Presence. Again, some would say that there is a 'gap' between death & man's spirit going to be with the Lord or to Hell but I can't grasp this interpretation, given Paul's inference of a 'no gap' declaration.
We also see 1 Peter 3:18-20, where "Jesus was quickened by the Spirit (after His Crucifixion) & by the Spirit visited those other spirits held captive in prison, those who were disobedient from Noah's days. The point here is not who those spirits were but that they were held captive, whether in a state of suffering or in transition to another state of punishment.
What should we make of such indicators of one's spirit (& soul) departing at death to a place of rest or torment?
Nobody is burning in Hell right now. Those who have ever lived and died are asleep in the grave waiting for the return of Christ and the resurrection. Notice that the Apostle Paul does not describe dead Christians as being active or alive in heaven.
They are asleep-dead-until they are resurrected at Christ's second coming. See 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18.
Paul used sleep as a metaphor for death. Yet, from an early age, most of us have been taught that sinners who died were right now being tormented in eternal hellfire. Who's right? Paul or your Sunday School teacher? The Bible says Paul got it right!
But what about Revelation 20:10? Many use this scripture to "prove" that at least two human beings-the "Beast" (Antichrist) and the "False Prophet"-will be tormented eternally in Hell. So let's take a closer look:
"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the Beast, and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" ( Revelation 20:10).
Look closely at that verse. Do you notice that one word-are-is in italics? That means it isn't part of the Greek text, but was added by translators trying to "make clear" what's in the verse. The problem is, the translators made it clearly wrong!
Satan the Devil will go to the same destination as the Beast and the False Prophet but he will go there as a spirit-being, and will be there long after the Beast and False Prophet-like other unrepentant sinners ( Revelation 19:20; 20:15) have been burned up and destroyed ( Matthew 25:41).
Some people alive have seen visions of hell.
Some of the profits speak of the last days but revelations does mostly.
We do know that Noah & his wife looked after some land, planting a vineyard ( Gen 9:20) & eventually he died at 950 yrs of age (verse 29). He would have been over 500 yrs old when the Ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat, so was still in his 'prime' though we don't know of his wife's state. Since the Bible only speaks of the Earth being populated through his sons (verse 19), we have to assume that these boys were all he had, for if there were any more sons, then we might well have races that are separate to what is revealed. Maybe he had daughters.
Jesus the Son of God, and the Son of Man
The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ. The 3rd Person of the Godhead.
The Genesis flood narrative tells how Noah and his three sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, together with their wives, were saved from the Deluge to repopulate the Earth. ... In chapter 11 verses 10-26 a second list of descendants of Shem names Abraham and thus the Israelites.
In the Book of Jubilees (160-150 BC) the names of the wives of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth are as follows:
* Wife of Noah - Emzara.
* Wife of Shem - Sedeqetelebab.
* Wife of Ham - Na'eltama'uk.
* Wife of Japheth - 'Adataneses.
In the Biblical view, the listed children of Japheth, Shem and Ham correspond to various historic nations and peoples. In the typical interpretation, these sons of Noah correspond to three races: European, Semitic, and African. Alternate divisions claim Euro-Asian Japhet, Semitic Shem, and Afro-Asian Ham.
The Genesis Rabba midrash lists Naamah, the daughter of Lamech and sister of Tubal-Cain, as the wife of Noah, as does the 11th-century Jewish commentator Rashi in his commentary on Genesis 4:22.
In the medieval midrash Parry, J. H. (ed.). "5:15". Book of Jasher. Translated by Moses, Samuel., the name of Noah's wife is said to be Naamah, daughter of Enoch.
Since the 17th century a number of suggestions have been made that relate the name Ham to a Hebrew word for "burnt", "black" or "hot", to the Egyptian word m for "servant" or the word m for "majesty" or the Egyptian word kmt for "Egypt".[4] A 2004 review of David Goldenberg's The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity and Islam (2003) states that Goldenberg "argues persuasively that the biblical name Ham bears no relationship at all to the notion of blackness and as of now is of UNKNOWN (color) etymology.
Just use Google and look At Noah's maps and charts on Geneology.
Mishael
"As for the other people which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like vnto spittle, and hast likened the abundance of them vnto a drop that falleth from a vessell." God does not care for the other nation because he will return for his lost Tribes
Our Eternal Father loves us all so much. Keep your faith in Him. He will never leave you. Trust in Him to know what is best for you as He knows everything. Trust proves love.
"God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Jesus Christ died for us."
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."
"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus be made manifest in our body."
"Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:"
"Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you."
You are all in my prayers. "Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." God Bless everyone!
Carleton