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  • S Spencer - 2 months ago
    Dying to self is to live in Christ.

    Mathew 16:24-25.

    "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

    For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

    Dying to self is part of being born again; the old self dies and the new self comes to life.

    Dying to self is part of the process of sanctification.

    It is both a one-time event and a lifelong process.

    The rite of baptism expresses the commitment of the believer to die to the old, sinful way of life and be reborn to a new life in Christ. ( Romans 6:4-8)

    Galatians 2:20 reads, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me".

    Dying to self is never portrayed in Scripture as something optional in the Christian life.

    IT IS THE REALITY OF THE NEW BIRTH!

    We have now been Justified!

    The wages of sin has been paid in full but yet you are given an EARNEST EXPECTATION TO BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption.

    The creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. (That's these old corrupt bodies.)

    Recap.

    You've been born again and you died, but yet not physically.

    You've taken up your cross and is following Christ.

    The process is you're dying daily!

    You've been given an earnest of the Spirit and has eternal life!

    You're waiting on heavenly glorified bodies.

    You've been baptized in to Christ Spirit that lives and never dies.

    You've taken part of the first ressurection!

    This is a category which is later to be described in a sequence. Revelation 20:6.

    Those raptured will be changed in the twinkling of an eye ( 1 Corinthians 15:52.)

    This group is also part of the first ressurection without having to die or rise from the dead.

    There is no ressurection to judge the saints!

    Blessings.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hey S Spencer,

    Thanks, brother good post, I would say along with our commitment it is our obedience of faith. I know we have different understandings of the rapture, and we have discussed that before, I do not mean to bring that up, but I do not understand "You've taken part of the first resurrection!". I am not sure, looks like you are saying the first resurrection is a spiritual resurrection.

    By you've taken part in the resurrection of Jesus "the first resurrection" brings hope to those who are lost and broken, offering the promise of redemption and restoration and the assurance of eternal life.

    I may be wrong, I know you are busy but if you have time you may expand on the last 5 lines of your post, not to debate but to understand. Thank you, brother.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Brother Ronald.

    No, I'm not saying that the resurrection is a spiritual resurrection.

    In order to stay in the context of the post I want to say eschatology is not the focus on the text so I'll stay away from it..

    The context was Christ being Judged on the cross for the believers and they won't be judged again for their salvation.

    We have already been Justified in Christ.

    Christ righteousness has been imputed over to us.

    Here's what I wrote;

    "You've been baptized in to Christ Spirit that lives and never dies.

    You've taken part of the first ressurection!

    We have been given the earnest of the Spirit and now we wait to be clothed with our glorious bodies.

    1 Corinthians 15:20 reads "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

    We have already been born again, baptized into Christ and as Christ rose from the dead "being the first fruit" we have obtained that right.

    We have taken part of that along with all whom the second death has no power of!

    Blessings.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hey S Spencer,

    Thanks, from conversations with you I did not think you meant the first resurrection is a spiritual resurrection, that is why I said I may be wrong. I have heard, not on this site, that some say Revelation 20:5 is a spiritual resurrection. When I read what you wrote, "You've taken part in the first resurrection" my little mind went there, sorry about that.

    I agree, we are on the same page, we are justified by Jesus and our judgment will not be for salvation but for what we have done after we were Justified in Christ, Colossians 2:13-14. There are different understandings of the two resurrections in Revelation but that would be for other discussions.

    Thanks, brother,

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Yes Brother Ronald,

    I've heard of that spiritual ressurection before as well.

    Here on this site!

    The bodily ressurection is rejected by some of the cults.

    Blessings Brother.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Brother Ronald.

    Thanks for replying!

    Yes, I would love to discuss this with you.

    Allow me to free some time and we can engage soon.

    Thanks and God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Newness of Life!

    The fact that Christ was Judged for our sins and rose from the dead and we were baptized in his death and we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

    That speaks much on the judgment of the saints!

    They were pardoned from the penalty of sin by a sacrifice in their place.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Newness of life should be read as part 2 to the previous post. "Dying to self".

    Goodnight and Blessings.


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