Bible Discussion Thread

Sins. The beginning and trying to assess why God allowed it in the first place.

I will start this posting with a human vantage point for a different perspective on the sacrificial love of God through His atonement.

For those of us who have parents that have any vestige of characteristics of a human being we tend to think about the significant events as a child in regard to playing ball with them; birthdays and other celebrations and basically what we are getting out of them for ourselves. Once we are older if we ourselves have any true morals we realize that their value stems from what they do the vast majority of time whether working a job to provide for the family or staying at home and all the discipline and work involved in rearing a child. In short we learn to sacrifice ourselves after our early years being protected from such efforts and essentially living in a bubble (although the world more and more often is intruding on that these days).

As to an earlier post from the other day and my discussion warning those who have immediate joy but no root in themselves I am fairly confident to say that those who meditate on Christ's sufferings as well as His glorification as their motivation for worship rather than some emotional high they are getting from their religious experience are more than likely those truly saved.

When Christ was alive Satan had no power over Him but in God's plan he did have humans used to do Satan's bidding as there were no coincidences in events leading to the cross it was all prophesied and planned to redeem His children from sin and death.

Now going back to Adam and Eve we see a similar sort of innocence as with children today (who are able to grow up absent from horrors of starvation; war; pestilence and abuse). Sadly that is likely a minority of maybe 20 percent of kids worldwide if I were to estimate; taking into regard how many abortions occur each year.

The first sin brought the promised punishment of death eventually.