Q: "What is the significance of the stars, the moon or the sun in the vision of Ch.12 if the woman is not the chosen one?"
A: First of all the stars are part of the ensemble the the Gospel of God signifies. "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.""(Dan.12:3). They denote the cloud of witnesses, and it is Person specific. Son as the soul of God witnesses, whch is what our inner man signifies in us. This being the case what is the significance of God making man a living soul? The gospel of God is preached and it is the very breath of God. All it requires to open your ear of faith. St Paul explains the process. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God./But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."(Ro.10:17-18). The number Twelve is expressed in terms of the Son. The command number Three and Gospel of God is consistent throughout, which gives us 12=3x4. This is the basis for the four and twenty elders arranged about the throne of heaven. They represent the heaven earth and the lower parts, (3x8).
Now we shall consider the rest of the regalia that made woman 'clothed with the sun'. The woman was called to occupy a position so when the Spirit speaks,"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."(Ge.2:25) glory of God was her covering. It is what the Spirit intends with the vision. It is for our spiritual instruction. Power and Wisdom are expressed in glory but with the fall of man the Gospel did not work well in her case. Her loss of position is a commentary on Re.12:4. "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth". Sons of Adam listened to heresies peddled by false teachers. They serve as the tail of the crooked serpent. (Is.9:15). Their works shall show up in heaven.
Do you not think it possible that the sun and moon and twelve stars could be connected to Joseph's dream ?
Also , I know someone who speaks very convincingly on the idea that in Revelation they represent flags , the twelve stars are part of the European Union flag , muslim countries flags all have a crescent moon on them and Japan's flag is a sun . I don't hold with this interpretation myself but he makes a good arguement for it .
Just presenting a couple of different prospectives for discussion purposes , hope you don't mind that . Always read through your messages and appreciate them .
I agree with you. "There's a similarity between the description in Revelation 12 and the description that Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children in ( Genesis 37:9-11).
The twelve stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
Verse 5 says that the woman's child was "a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Clearly, this is describing Jesus.
Q: "What is the significance of the stars, the moon or the sun in the vision of Ch.12 if the woman is not the chosen one?"
A: First of all the stars are part of the ensemble the the Gospel of God signifies. "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.""(Dan.12:3). They denote the cloud of witnesses, and it is Person specific. Son as the soul of God witnesses, whch is what our inner man signifies in us. This being the case what is the significance of God making man a living soul? The gospel of God is preached and it is the very breath of God. All it requires to open your ear of faith. St Paul explains the process. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God./But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."(Ro.10:17-18). The number Twelve is expressed in terms of the Son. The command number Three and Gospel of God is consistent throughout, which gives us 12=3x4. This is the basis for the four and twenty elders arranged about the throne of heaven. They represent the heaven earth and the lower parts, (3x8).
Now we shall consider the rest of the regalia that made woman 'clothed with the sun'. The woman was called to occupy a position so when the Spirit speaks,"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."(Ge.2:25) glory of God was her covering. It is what the Spirit intends with the vision. It is for our spiritual instruction. Power and Wisdom are expressed in glory but with the fall of man the Gospel did not work well in her case. Her loss of position is a commentary on Re.12:4. "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth". Sons of Adam listened to heresies peddled by false teachers. They serve as the tail of the crooked serpent. (Is.9:15). Their works shall show up in heaven.
Also , I know someone who speaks very convincingly on the idea that in Revelation they represent flags , the twelve stars are part of the European Union flag , muslim countries flags all have a crescent moon on them and Japan's flag is a sun . I don't hold with this interpretation myself but he makes a good arguement for it .
Just presenting a couple of different prospectives for discussion purposes , hope you don't mind that . Always read through your messages and appreciate them .
I agree with you. "There's a similarity between the description in Revelation 12 and the description that Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children in ( Genesis 37:9-11).
The twelve stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
Verse 5 says that the woman's child was "a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Clearly, this is describing Jesus.
Thanks and God bless.
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