I would to give my thoughts on "The temptation or testing/proving of Satan" and whether he knew Jesus was the Son of God or not in Luke 4:1-13.
First I would like to say I believe he knew Jesus was the Son of God.
I also believe he knew Jesus was coming to this world by way of the Prophet's and perhaps the first prophecy recorded given to him in Genesis 3:15. "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Immediately the line by which the seed would come was persecuted from there on.
The seed of the woman is biologically wrong and should raise eyebrows.
This is directly spoken to Eve but also depicts Israel.
Seed of the woman also depicts the father of this child would be God.
When we come to the prophets he can see a clear picture.
So why would Satan even try to test the Son of God?
There's two things here to consider.
1) We have to consider verse 1 if Luke 4. "And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and WAS LED BY THE SPIRIT INTO THE WILDERNESS,
This was orchestrated by the Spirit! Jesus was presented to be tested!
Not to see if he would fail it was to show he was who the Scripture say he was.
2) Satan used the same method he used on Eve knowing she was flesh.
He knew Jesus was the Son of God but he tried to see if there was a kink in his humanity.
Biologically, a woman has ova, which can be seen as a type of seed. And the man has sperm, which can be seen as a type of seed. However, God made these "seeds" on their own cannot make another being of its own kind. Both "seeds" are needed for conception to occur. With Jesus, Mary's "seed" (ovum) was used to conceive Jesus, but God the Father provided the remaining 'seed" needed for conception. I am not saying that the Father had any kind of sexual relations with Mary because that is so false, bit the Father created the male DNA for Jesus' humanity that would determine him to be male. God the Father was always the Father of God the Son, but in the framework of time, God was the Father of His Son's humanity. Jesus was divinely the Son of God, and also Son of Man by the Father's creation of His body and human nature combined with Mary's human DNA and the nurture of her womb for Jesus to be born.
In scripture when identifying a man and his genealogy it's always the seed of the man.
It's a contradiction with the Hebrew usage of the term when saying "Seed of the woman.
We know he's not talking biologically because that would be Abel or Seth or another one of their unnamed children.
Identifying the genealogy of someone in scripture is always Identified through the man.
What's interesting is Adam is left out!
Christ was to be born of a woman in the lineage of Israel and his father was God.!
There is no need for a biological seed here. It wasn't a biological birth, Christ came from pre-existance origin.
This is amplified in Isaiah 7:13-14.
Elsewhere the seed is mentioned and identified in relation to Genesis 3:15 is Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
"And confirmed in Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
You are right, in Scripture lineage is usually traced through the genetics of the father. So, the sperm cell is the link between generations (the "begatting" is from the father).
But in the case of the promise in Genesis, the promised Seed would receive His humanity from His mother naturally but from God supernaturally.
Biologically, what I explained about ova and sperm both being "seed" is played out somewhat in plants. The germ for the seeds are made by the female plant and the pollen from the stamen fertilizes these germs which mature into fruit and then seeds. But it takes both male and female cells to create a flower, fruit or seeds.
It is interesting that Genesis speaks of the seed of the woman. We do not know if this was referring that women have "seed" as in ova, that contribute to the genetic makeup of progeny or specifically to the offspring (Seed) of the woman as in Jesus conceived in the virgin Mary without male sperm from any human man. We do not know exactly what happened in this conception. Whether God created male DNA in a sperm He put into marry to fertilize her ovum or if God placed the male DNA directly into her ovum to conceive Jesus. We just do not know.
But we do know that Jesus was fully human, having 26 human chromosomes, and that He was fully God, never having been created, having a beginning, or being generated from the Father at some time in eternity past. His divine nature is eternal and His Sonship to the Father is also eternal. The Father has always been the Father of the Son and the Son has always been the son of the Father.
And then there is the work of the Holy Spirit in Jesus' conception in Mary and with bringing the divine Son into union with the human nature. it is a profound mystery. But I am sure glad God within His three Persons did this for our salvation and for His glory. Have a good night.
the promise in Genesis has nothing to do with humanity. The seed mentioned in Genesis 22 and Galatians
is clearly identifying Christ as the one promised.
You stated, "We do not know if this was referring that women have "seed" as in ova
I can assure you this has nothing to do with "seed" as in ova. In Genesis 22 its Abraham's seed!
I also don't believe God had to created male DNA in a sperm He put into marry to fertilize her ovum or if God placed the male DNA directly into her ovum to conceive Jesus. God didn't have to do that with Adam.
The Scripture states that the Angel of the Lord came to Joseph in a dream and said "for that which is CONCEIVED in her is of the Holy Ghost. Conceived "Gennao in the Greek" means to procreate.
In Isaiah 7:10-14 Jesus's birth was to be a miraculous sign!
"Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,
Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.
And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Satan is declared here as having a seed also, so this is definitely talking about something other than biological birth. It's a title of a being.
They are Identified in the same passage as a "it" and "his"
(Here follows; And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between "thy seed" and "her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.)
I believe this goes beyond Eve and also Mary as we see it climax in Revelation, Particularly in Revelation 12:5-17.
The woman mentioned in Genesis 3:15 is also to be persecuted! "And I will put enmity between thee "AND THE WOMAN", and between thy seed and her seed;
You are correct Gigi, it is fits with the Spirit's signpost, all our path to salvation leads to Christ Jesus, and Christ alone."all things were created by him, and for him:/And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."(Col.1 I:16-17,19) Enmity between his seed and your seed can only lead to him.
Having I read your post about Genesis 3, I remained in my meditation and thinking there was the beginning of the world in which we live today. All began with the dialogue between the Devil and the woman, and from a heavenly environment in Eden to a new environment that was now beginning to exist, an exclusively evil environment, now a demonic environment, starting with Cain, and Abel was the first victim- Matthew 23:33-35 combined with John 8:44.
From then until today around 6000 years have passed, and the world of the Devil we are seeing turned to a gigantic and complex, and satanic structure in every sense as we can see, dominating the minds of the inhabitants of the Earth as a whole as he dominated he mind of Cain, very terrible, the ONLY exception are the chosen ones of GOD, they have believed in JESUS- John 17:1-12, and according to the Ephesians 1:3-8, among many biblical references.
But our Lord JESUS assured: Matthew 5:5- Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. This assertion of our Lord JESUS, combined with Revelation 11:15-18 and Revelation 12 as a whole, give us what will happen now, from now on, even now in the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day, seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium.
Scripture indicates that Jesus will suffer, as the scripture says...
"But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Matthew 17:12 KJV
...and believers will suffer also, Jesus is an example to the believer on how to endure suffering and stay in the will of God. God orchestras the test and trials for the believers good. Although suffering is part of making of a believer other believer shouldn't take it upon themselves to cause others to suffer...
"Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." Romans 14:13 KJV
I did a search using the phrase seed of woman and am understanding that many scriptures seem to be implying that the seed of a woman is the conception itself, since the seed of a woman has the potential to grow into a child.
These are two of the scriptures I found:
"And Eli blessed Elkanah and his wife, and said, The LORD give thee seed of this woman for the loan which is lent to the LORD. And they went unto their own home." 1 Samuel 2:20 KJV
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." Leviticus 12:2 KJV
There are some other scripture also that reference seed as just being of a man, however biologically a seed in futile soil will grow to its full potential given the right environment and a seed of a woman will develop into another human being (unborn child).
I would to give my thoughts on "The temptation or testing/proving of Satan" and whether he knew Jesus was the Son of God or not in Luke 4:1-13.
First I would like to say I believe he knew Jesus was the Son of God.
I also believe he knew Jesus was coming to this world by way of the Prophet's and perhaps the first prophecy recorded given to him in Genesis 3:15. "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Immediately the line by which the seed would come was persecuted from there on.
The seed of the woman is biologically wrong and should raise eyebrows.
This is directly spoken to Eve but also depicts Israel.
Seed of the woman also depicts the father of this child would be God.
When we come to the prophets he can see a clear picture.
So why would Satan even try to test the Son of God?
There's two things here to consider.
1) We have to consider verse 1 if Luke 4. "And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and WAS LED BY THE SPIRIT INTO THE WILDERNESS,
This was orchestrated by the Spirit! Jesus was presented to be tested!
Not to see if he would fail it was to show he was who the Scripture say he was.
2) Satan used the same method he used on Eve knowing she was flesh.
He knew Jesus was the Son of God but he tried to see if there was a kink in his humanity.
God bless.
Biologically, a woman has ova, which can be seen as a type of seed. And the man has sperm, which can be seen as a type of seed. However, God made these "seeds" on their own cannot make another being of its own kind. Both "seeds" are needed for conception to occur. With Jesus, Mary's "seed" (ovum) was used to conceive Jesus, but God the Father provided the remaining 'seed" needed for conception. I am not saying that the Father had any kind of sexual relations with Mary because that is so false, bit the Father created the male DNA for Jesus' humanity that would determine him to be male. God the Father was always the Father of God the Son, but in the framework of time, God was the Father of His Son's humanity. Jesus was divinely the Son of God, and also Son of Man by the Father's creation of His body and human nature combined with Mary's human DNA and the nurture of her womb for Jesus to be born.
I realized I left out an important point.
We know "The seed of the woman" is Chris.
In scripture when identifying a man and his genealogy it's always the seed of the man.
It's a contradiction with the Hebrew usage of the term when saying "Seed of the woman.
We know he's not talking biologically because that would be Abel or Seth or another one of their unnamed children.
Identifying the genealogy of someone in scripture is always Identified through the man.
What's interesting is Adam is left out!
Christ was to be born of a woman in the lineage of Israel and his father was God.!
There is no need for a biological seed here. It wasn't a biological birth, Christ came from pre-existance origin.
This is amplified in Isaiah 7:13-14.
Elsewhere the seed is mentioned and identified in relation to Genesis 3:15 is Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
"And confirmed in Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
God bless.
You are right, in Scripture lineage is usually traced through the genetics of the father. So, the sperm cell is the link between generations (the "begatting" is from the father).
But in the case of the promise in Genesis, the promised Seed would receive His humanity from His mother naturally but from God supernaturally.
Biologically, what I explained about ova and sperm both being "seed" is played out somewhat in plants. The germ for the seeds are made by the female plant and the pollen from the stamen fertilizes these germs which mature into fruit and then seeds. But it takes both male and female cells to create a flower, fruit or seeds.
It is interesting that Genesis speaks of the seed of the woman. We do not know if this was referring that women have "seed" as in ova, that contribute to the genetic makeup of progeny or specifically to the offspring (Seed) of the woman as in Jesus conceived in the virgin Mary without male sperm from any human man. We do not know exactly what happened in this conception. Whether God created male DNA in a sperm He put into marry to fertilize her ovum or if God placed the male DNA directly into her ovum to conceive Jesus. We just do not know.
But we do know that Jesus was fully human, having 26 human chromosomes, and that He was fully God, never having been created, having a beginning, or being generated from the Father at some time in eternity past. His divine nature is eternal and His Sonship to the Father is also eternal. The Father has always been the Father of the Son and the Son has always been the son of the Father.
And then there is the work of the Holy Spirit in Jesus' conception in Mary and with bringing the divine Son into union with the human nature. it is a profound mystery. But I am sure glad God within His three Persons did this for our salvation and for His glory. Have a good night.
Thanks for responding.
Yes, Christ humanity comes from the woman but
the promise in Genesis has nothing to do with humanity. The seed mentioned in Genesis 22 and Galatians
is clearly identifying Christ as the one promised.
You stated, "We do not know if this was referring that women have "seed" as in ova
I can assure you this has nothing to do with "seed" as in ova. In Genesis 22 its Abraham's seed!
I also don't believe God had to created male DNA in a sperm He put into marry to fertilize her ovum or if God placed the male DNA directly into her ovum to conceive Jesus. God didn't have to do that with Adam.
The Scripture states that the Angel of the Lord came to Joseph in a dream and said "for that which is CONCEIVED in her is of the Holy Ghost. Conceived "Gennao in the Greek" means to procreate.
In Isaiah 7:10-14 Jesus's birth was to be a miraculous sign!
"Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,
Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.
And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Satan is declared here as having a seed also, so this is definitely talking about something other than biological birth. It's a title of a being.
They are Identified in the same passage as a "it" and "his"
(Here follows; And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between "thy seed" and "her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.)
I believe this goes beyond Eve and also Mary as we see it climax in Revelation, Particularly in Revelation 12:5-17.
The woman mentioned in Genesis 3:15 is also to be persecuted! "And I will put enmity between thee "AND THE WOMAN", and between thy seed and her seed;
Good night and God bless.
Upon reflection, I came to the conclusion that the promise of the seed of the woman was the promise of Jesus.
Sorry for the late responses.
I'm out of town at a wedding this weekend.
God bless.
From then until today around 6000 years have passed, and the world of the Devil we are seeing turned to a gigantic and complex, and satanic structure in every sense as we can see, dominating the minds of the inhabitants of the Earth as a whole as he dominated he mind of Cain, very terrible, the ONLY exception are the chosen ones of GOD, they have believed in JESUS- John 17:1-12, and according to the Ephesians 1:3-8, among many biblical references.
But our Lord JESUS assured: Matthew 5:5- Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. This assertion of our Lord JESUS, combined with Revelation 11:15-18 and Revelation 12 as a whole, give us what will happen now, from now on, even now in the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day, seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium.
GOD BLESS
Get ready
"But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Matthew 17:12 KJV
...and believers will suffer also, Jesus is an example to the believer on how to endure suffering and stay in the will of God. God orchestras the test and trials for the believers good. Although suffering is part of making of a believer other believer shouldn't take it upon themselves to cause others to suffer...
"Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." Romans 14:13 KJV
These are two of the scriptures I found:
"And Eli blessed Elkanah and his wife, and said, The LORD give thee seed of this woman for the loan which is lent to the LORD. And they went unto their own home." 1 Samuel 2:20 KJV
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." Leviticus 12:2 KJV
There are some other scripture also that reference seed as just being of a man, however biologically a seed in futile soil will grow to its full potential given the right environment and a seed of a woman will develop into another human being (unborn child).
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