Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
(Part 1):
It is very interesting how we have a lot of predictions on when Jesus is coming back. I would like to share a little bit of information, and that's all it is, just information. I'm not telling you that I follow it, but I just think it's interesting how the Messianic Jews view this verse.
"Nobody knows the day or the hour, not even angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
The Jews actually have a day in their calendar that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is the first day on what is called Rosh Hashanah.
On the first day of Rosh Hashanah, which doesn't start on a date. It starts when the observers (the scouts), first see the first sliver of the new moon, and they blow the shofar (Ram's Horn), and then Rosh Hashanah starts. But it can take two or three days before they see the new moon.
Messianic Jews believe that Jesus, at His second coming, is coming on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. All other activities in the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, even the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there is only one feast left, and that's Rosh Hashanah that has not been fulfilled.
And they believe that Christ is coming back on that day "because nobody knows the day or the hour," because it goes two or three days. It is not a set time. And they also associate the blowing of the trumpet; the blowing of the shofar, will be introducing the coming of Christ.
Hi Jesse , you mention what the Jews think about Jesus's second coming , but they don't believe in his first time on earth do they ? They don't believe that Jesus was / is the Messiah the first time around so.....how can they have ideas about his second advent ?
Thank you for the question, and it is nice to speak with you again. I totally understand your question on this. It is true that the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah when He was here the first time. Even today, Orthodox Jews still do not acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah, and they don't believe in His second coming. But since the time of Christ's resurrection to the present time, there are Messianic Jews, those Jews who have responded to the gospel message and have received Christ as their Messiah/Savior. In my post, it is the Messianic Jews that I mentioned and was referring to, not Orthodox Jews.
Again, to this day, Orthodox Jews still do not believe Jesus is their Messiah. They're still waiting on their Messiah to come. In fact, if you or I were to ask for their view on Mark 13:32, or any verse in the New Testament for that matter, they more than likely will not want to discuss it at all since they don't believe in the NT.
Something else to be aware of is that if you ever get the opportunity to speak to an Orthodox Jew, they will probably frown at you if you mention Old Testament to them. The term Old Testament is offensive to an Orthodox Jew because they don't believe in a New Testament. We call it the Old Testament, but they call it the Tanak (TNK), the Torah, the Neviim, and the Ketuvim, which is the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings.
So, if you're ever speaking to an Orthodox Jew, or if you're ever in a Jewish bookstore by chance, and you're asking anything about the Old Testament, you might want to say Tanach instead.
Again, thank you for the question. But please know that there are Messianic Jews today that have received Christ as their Messiah, and they are looking for His second coming just as we are.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
(Part 2):
It is a fascinating study just to study all the feasts of the Jews and how the feasts of the Jews just happened to fall on the major events in Christ's life.
His birth was the Feast of Tabernacles. Pentecost was the coming of the Holy Spirit. Passover: the time of His death. Unleavened bread: His burial. First fruits: His resurrection. If you ever have the time to do so, it's interesting and worth looking into.
But they actually have a day that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is called Rosh Hashanah. They call it a 48-hour period, but it can last longer. It can last up to 72 hours before they see the new moon.
Now this means also that the new moon can already be out and they not see it because of the cloud cover. And because they can't see it, they can't blow the horn. They actually have to be able to physically see it. So, it could take up to three days. Fascinating!
Thank you! One thing I believe is a certain is that when Jesus does come back, every Jew is going to recognize Him as their Messiah, the one they crucified. Those who rejected Him back then are going to realize they made a mistake.
I may be a little slow but if you do not mind could you expand your meaning on "behold him as a nation" and how that relates to Matthew 23:39 or Hosea 5:15?
In Romans 9 Paul mentions the condition of Israel (AS A NATION)
Verses 31,32- "But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.
Romans 10:16 reads But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, WHO HATH BELIEVED OUR REPORT?
So the Gospel was preached to them! as we see in Romans 10:16-18.
Romans 11:8 declares their position then, as well today!
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:25-28 sums it up.
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
When Israel "as a nation" call on their Messiah and behold him as their Messiah they will call on him!
I believe this will happen in the tribulation and that is what Hosea is speaking of.
"I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, AND SEEK MY FACE: in their AFFLICTION they will seek me early.
THEY WON'T BEHOLD HIM (Remain in this blinded state) untill they shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:39.
I know when Jesus first came their eyes and ears were closed because the fullness of time had come, because they had gone so far away from God, judgment had been given on that generation. We see the similarity to that in Hosea, the temple was destroyed. I think we are on the same page with Matthew 23:39 as this happens with the fullness of the Gentiles.
When Jesus returns and sets up the kingdom on earth, they will call on Him as their Messiah and king. But my understanding is Hosea 5:15 God removed his glory from the sanctuary and the city for their unwillingness to repent and return to God the punishment was the destruction of the first temple and their captivity.
The sanctuary in question was a sanctuary where the Jews performed the ministry given to them by the Lord.
Everything about the tabernacle, the ministry and the rituals was given to the Jews only and was to be performed in Jerusalem.
If a Gentile wanted to serve he had to become a proselyte.
In the old testament "that nation" God showed the world there was a true and LIVING GOD who provides. He used them to make his name great amongst the Nations and he's still doing that, whether by chastening them or blessing them.
He performed his promises and covenants and there's more to come.
God also, by that nation the depravity of man apart from a New birth or regenerated HEART.
Everything about that ministry pointed to our fallen nature and the need for Jesus. There offerings and rituals ect.. pointed towards Christ. THAT WAS IT'S GLORY. which glory was to be done away:
However, That ministry was called the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones.
2 Corinthians 3:9 reads, "For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
(Look at verse 10) 3:10FOR EVEN THAT WHICH WAS MADE GLORIOUS HAD NO GLORY IN THIS RESPECT, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
The ministration of death couldn't make you righteous!
read 2 Corinthians 3:13-14. and notice their blindness.
They were blinded when Moses read to them!
Verse 15) But even unto this day, when Moses is read, THE VAIL IS UPON THEIR HEART.
Verse 16) Important verse..
"Nevertheless WHEN IT SHALL TURN TO THE LORD, the vail shall be taken away.
When what "shall turn to the Lord? Their heart!!
When their heart shall turn to the Lord the veil shall be taken away.
Thanks, brother the study of the feasts is an eye-opening study, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Firstfruits, Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, that have been fulfilled and there are three that have yet to be fulfilled, Feast of the Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles.
Passover, Jesus fulfilled it down to the day, and to the hour. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan the same day the lambs were to be taken up (moneychangers). Jesus was crucified on the morning of the 14th of Nisan and died at the same time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed and put in the tomb before the sunset. There is other things Jesus fulfilled that Passover day, the Tamid sacrifice, the beginning and the end or you could say the first and the last of the daily sacrifices and worship.
Jesus and his apostles after the Last Supper went into the garden of Gethsemane and there Jesus was taken to Annas and then Caiaphas, then early that morning to Pilate to be judged where no fault was found in Him. At the same time this was going on, the priest tied the first Tamid lamb to the altar and inspected it to make sure there were no blemishes.
Jesus was nailed to the cross at the third hour, 9 AM same time the first Tamid lamb was sacrificed and placed on the altar, this started the first hour of prayer. The sixth hour, the last Tamid lamb was tied to the alter and darkness fell over the land until the ninth hour the second hour of prayer, the last Tamid lamb was sacrificed at 3 PM and placed on top of all the sacrifices the people did for sins that day, at the same time Jesus cried out and gave up the ghost.
Jesus, the first and the last was the perfect and final sacrifice, like the first Passover freed Israel from the captivity of Egypt Jesus freed us of the captivity of sin and with His blood covered our sins that the Tamid lambs could not do, Hebrews 10:4-12.
There is much more in these feasts to see, thanks for pointing them out.
(Part 1):
It is very interesting how we have a lot of predictions on when Jesus is coming back. I would like to share a little bit of information, and that's all it is, just information. I'm not telling you that I follow it, but I just think it's interesting how the Messianic Jews view this verse.
"Nobody knows the day or the hour, not even angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
The Jews actually have a day in their calendar that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is the first day on what is called Rosh Hashanah.
On the first day of Rosh Hashanah, which doesn't start on a date. It starts when the observers (the scouts), first see the first sliver of the new moon, and they blow the shofar (Ram's Horn), and then Rosh Hashanah starts. But it can take two or three days before they see the new moon.
Messianic Jews believe that Jesus, at His second coming, is coming on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. All other activities in the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, even the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there is only one feast left, and that's Rosh Hashanah that has not been fulfilled.
And they believe that Christ is coming back on that day "because nobody knows the day or the hour," because it goes two or three days. It is not a set time. And they also associate the blowing of the trumpet; the blowing of the shofar, will be introducing the coming of Christ.
Thank you for the question, and it is nice to speak with you again. I totally understand your question on this. It is true that the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah when He was here the first time. Even today, Orthodox Jews still do not acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah, and they don't believe in His second coming. But since the time of Christ's resurrection to the present time, there are Messianic Jews, those Jews who have responded to the gospel message and have received Christ as their Messiah/Savior. In my post, it is the Messianic Jews that I mentioned and was referring to, not Orthodox Jews.
Again, to this day, Orthodox Jews still do not believe Jesus is their Messiah. They're still waiting on their Messiah to come. In fact, if you or I were to ask for their view on Mark 13:32, or any verse in the New Testament for that matter, they more than likely will not want to discuss it at all since they don't believe in the NT.
Something else to be aware of is that if you ever get the opportunity to speak to an Orthodox Jew, they will probably frown at you if you mention Old Testament to them. The term Old Testament is offensive to an Orthodox Jew because they don't believe in a New Testament. We call it the Old Testament, but they call it the Tanak (TNK), the Torah, the Neviim, and the Ketuvim, which is the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings.
So, if you're ever speaking to an Orthodox Jew, or if you're ever in a Jewish bookstore by chance, and you're asking anything about the Old Testament, you might want to say Tanach instead.
Again, thank you for the question. But please know that there are Messianic Jews today that have received Christ as their Messiah, and they are looking for His second coming just as we are.
God Bless!!!
No problem, and blessings to you also!
(Part 2):
It is a fascinating study just to study all the feasts of the Jews and how the feasts of the Jews just happened to fall on the major events in Christ's life.
His birth was the Feast of Tabernacles. Pentecost was the coming of the Holy Spirit. Passover: the time of His death. Unleavened bread: His burial. First fruits: His resurrection. If you ever have the time to do so, it's interesting and worth looking into.
But they actually have a day that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is called Rosh Hashanah. They call it a 48-hour period, but it can last longer. It can last up to 72 hours before they see the new moon.
Now this means also that the new moon can already be out and they not see it because of the cloud cover. And because they can't see it, they can't blow the horn. They actually have to be able to physically see it. So, it could take up to three days. Fascinating!
God Bless!!!
That is fascinating.
In Matthew 23:39 Jesus states, "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, (Meaning behold him as a nation)
till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
I wonder how do they view such verses as Matthew 23:39 and Hosea 5:15
"I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
God bless.
Thank you! One thing I believe is a certain is that when Jesus does come back, every Jew is going to recognize Him as their Messiah, the one they crucified. Those who rejected Him back then are going to realize they made a mistake.
Blessings!
I may be a little slow but if you do not mind could you expand your meaning on "behold him as a nation" and how that relates to Matthew 23:39 or Hosea 5:15?
God bless,
RLW
In Romans 9 Paul mentions the condition of Israel (AS A NATION)
Verses 31,32- "But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.
Romans 10:16 reads But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, WHO HATH BELIEVED OUR REPORT?
So the Gospel was preached to them! as we see in Romans 10:16-18.
Romans 11:8 declares their position then, as well today!
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:25-28 sums it up.
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
When Israel "as a nation" call on their Messiah and behold him as their Messiah they will call on him!
I believe this will happen in the tribulation and that is what Hosea is speaking of.
"I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, AND SEEK MY FACE: in their AFFLICTION they will seek me early.
THEY WON'T BEHOLD HIM (Remain in this blinded state) untill they shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:39.
God bless
I know when Jesus first came their eyes and ears were closed because the fullness of time had come, because they had gone so far away from God, judgment had been given on that generation. We see the similarity to that in Hosea, the temple was destroyed. I think we are on the same page with Matthew 23:39 as this happens with the fullness of the Gentiles.
When Jesus returns and sets up the kingdom on earth, they will call on Him as their Messiah and king. But my understanding is Hosea 5:15 God removed his glory from the sanctuary and the city for their unwillingness to repent and return to God the punishment was the destruction of the first temple and their captivity.
Thanks, brother,
God bless,
RLW
The sanctuary in question was a sanctuary where the Jews performed the ministry given to them by the Lord.
Everything about the tabernacle, the ministry and the rituals was given to the Jews only and was to be performed in Jerusalem.
If a Gentile wanted to serve he had to become a proselyte.
In the old testament "that nation" God showed the world there was a true and LIVING GOD who provides. He used them to make his name great amongst the Nations and he's still doing that, whether by chastening them or blessing them.
He performed his promises and covenants and there's more to come.
God also, by that nation the depravity of man apart from a New birth or regenerated HEART.
Everything about that ministry pointed to our fallen nature and the need for Jesus. There offerings and rituals ect.. pointed towards Christ. THAT WAS IT'S GLORY. which glory was to be done away:
However, That ministry was called the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones.
2 Corinthians 3:9 reads, "For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
(Look at verse 10) 3:10FOR EVEN THAT WHICH WAS MADE GLORIOUS HAD NO GLORY IN THIS RESPECT, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
The ministration of death couldn't make you righteous!
read 2 Corinthians 3:13-14. and notice their blindness.
They were blinded when Moses read to them!
Verse 15) But even unto this day, when Moses is read, THE VAIL IS UPON THEIR HEART.
Verse 16) Important verse..
"Nevertheless WHEN IT SHALL TURN TO THE LORD, the vail shall be taken away.
When what "shall turn to the Lord? Their heart!!
When their heart shall turn to the Lord the veil shall be taken away.
God bless.
Not sure how to reply, that is above my head.
God bless,
RLW
Thanks, brother the study of the feasts is an eye-opening study, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Firstfruits, Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, that have been fulfilled and there are three that have yet to be fulfilled, Feast of the Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles.
Passover, Jesus fulfilled it down to the day, and to the hour. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan the same day the lambs were to be taken up (moneychangers). Jesus was crucified on the morning of the 14th of Nisan and died at the same time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed and put in the tomb before the sunset. There is other things Jesus fulfilled that Passover day, the Tamid sacrifice, the beginning and the end or you could say the first and the last of the daily sacrifices and worship.
Jesus and his apostles after the Last Supper went into the garden of Gethsemane and there Jesus was taken to Annas and then Caiaphas, then early that morning to Pilate to be judged where no fault was found in Him. At the same time this was going on, the priest tied the first Tamid lamb to the altar and inspected it to make sure there were no blemishes.
Jesus was nailed to the cross at the third hour, 9 AM same time the first Tamid lamb was sacrificed and placed on the altar, this started the first hour of prayer. The sixth hour, the last Tamid lamb was tied to the alter and darkness fell over the land until the ninth hour the second hour of prayer, the last Tamid lamb was sacrificed at 3 PM and placed on top of all the sacrifices the people did for sins that day, at the same time Jesus cried out and gave up the ghost.
Jesus, the first and the last was the perfect and final sacrifice, like the first Passover freed Israel from the captivity of Egypt Jesus freed us of the captivity of sin and with His blood covered our sins that the Tamid lambs could not do, Hebrews 10:4-12.
There is much more in these feasts to see, thanks for pointing them out.
God bless,
RLW
I agree my brother. The feasts are a fascinating study. And thanks for the additional information you have shared.
God Bless!!!
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