If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?/ And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
"How can these things be?" Problem of Nicodemus was that he grew up in physical terms, His understanding was licked into a shape to get through life among his peers, without jeopardising his position. He looked up unto the hills 'whence cometh my help' and singing the song of the degrees did not make him see the mountain of God anymore than plain speech of Jesus made sense to him. For instance if being born of the Spirit I were to say, for example the statement that was made in the discussion forum "The 144,000 are male, virgin Jews, 112,000 from each tribe of Israel. Revelations 7:3-4 and 14:3-5" is wrong, no amount of debate is going to settle the matter. Where is faith called for reason must be inadequate. Faith is born of hearing, and as Paul says,"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Without it no amount of my saying otherwise shall help the other person. One is born of the Spirit so one is not only negotiating the present world but also 'the world to come.' Jesus Christ has both day of salvation and day of Regeneration, the Alpha and Omega aspect. If we gather with Christ here and now, we shall be gathering with him in his glory. So the Spirit uses tags where 12 signifies the gospel of God. St Paul's prayer, "May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;/ And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."(Ep.3:18-19).How does one quantify what is spiritually understood? The Spirit renders such unquantifiable with numbers that are called Command numbers. The Holy City of God is a cube, "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth:
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?/ And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
"How can these things be?" Problem of Nicodemus was that he grew up in physical terms, His understanding was licked into a shape to get through life among his peers, without jeopardising his position. He looked up unto the hills 'whence cometh my help' and singing the song of the degrees did not make him see the mountain of God anymore than plain speech of Jesus made sense to him. For instance if being born of the Spirit I were to say, for example the statement that was made in the discussion forum "The 144,000 are male, virgin Jews, 112,000 from each tribe of Israel. Revelations 7:3-4 and 14:3-5" is wrong, no amount of debate is going to settle the matter. Where is faith called for reason must be inadequate. Faith is born of hearing, and as Paul says,"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Without it no amount of my saying otherwise shall help the other person. One is born of the Spirit so one is not only negotiating the present world but also 'the world to come.' Jesus Christ has both day of salvation and day of Regeneration, the Alpha and Omega aspect. If we gather with Christ here and now, we shall be gathering with him in his glory. So the Spirit uses tags where 12 signifies the gospel of God. St Paul's prayer, "May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;/ And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."(Ep.3:18-19).How does one quantify what is spiritually understood? The Spirit renders such unquantifiable with numbers that are called Command numbers. The Holy City of God is a cube, "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth:
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