Hi Jesse,yes,her confidence you noticed goes hand in hand with Faith,her confidence was a result of Faith.even tho there not exactly the same
Christ was walking thru crowds of people they were all grabbing at him,he asked who did this they said everyone is reaching reaching out to you. thats what makes this story very special,theres more to it.
You are welcome. I have more information about the Tallit and exactly what she touched on Jesus' garment that I can share if you'd like? At least it is information that I find interesting!
And I agree with you that her confidence goes hand in hand with faith. Since the word faith literally means persuasion, she was fully persuaded in her mind about who Jesus was and that He alone had the power to heal her.
Hi Jesse,Yes, exactly to that last paragraph you sent,Persuasion. excellant,a clue to the behind the curtain of sorts to this story. thats the thing about the Bible. parables and stories usually have more than one meaning
they can be parallelling another instance from the past or future in differant ways,some people see one thing another person see's another
1611, Jesus said 'Who touched my clothes' in another one, scene it said the Hem of his garment
general idea is there,she did what the other people were doing or trying to do,but his power went out to her exclusively for the reasons you noticed in that last paragraph you sent, Confidence Faith n persuasion,,yep
but yes would be interested in what you would like to share about that and the Tallit.
Back then even Jesus was called a rabbi, and He had a prayer shawl. The word teacher is DIDASKALOS. HRABI in Hebrew means teacher. Around the 18th or 19th century the whole meaning of rabbi changed to what we know today. Today, it's somebody who's on staff and part of the leadership in the administration. Back then the rabbis were teachers and that is all they did.
It's interesting that when rabbis would travel (Jesus being a rabbi), He wore a TALLIT. And this woman said if I can just come up and touch the KANAPH of His garment (the promise of Malachi 4:2). Jewish people went around touching the hems and the tassels of Jewish rabbis because they believed in their teachings that if the Jewish rabbi truly was anointed of God, that you could touch his KANAPH and be healed. It didn't always happen. That is just part of their tradition.
But it was based on God's promise here, that healing in His KANAPH (translated wings) is part of the robe for the rabbis. The reason she comes up behind Jesus is because she is unclean. She is not even supposed to be there in the crowd. But she knows, because she knows who Jesus is and she has heard about Him, so she comes up from behind Him and touches the KANAPH, the border. And immediately she was healed.
Jesus in Verse 45 says, "Who touched me?" After everybody denied it, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude is thronging and pressing upon you, what do you mean, who touched me? Everybody's touching you! Jesus turns and instructs them and says, "Somebody has touched me: for I perceive that virtue has gone out of me." This was a special ministry that came out from Jesus to this woman. It wasn't a physical touch.
I hope this was not too long and I do hope that you might find some use with what I have shared here. God Bless!!!
Thanks brother Jesse for that very informative & enlightening explanation on the different parts of those garments. As I considered Luke 8:43-48 & the condition of the woman (both her emotional & physical states), my mind went also to John 3:1,2 concerning Nicodemus. Of course, these are two very separate events, but the similarities seem noteworthy.
Both the woman & Nicodemus had very clear pressing needs. The one for healing of her persistent, long-drawn-out bleeding condition & the other, of his desperate need to reconcile what his fellow Pharisees believed about Jesus & what was niggling in his own mind of the real truth about Jesus ("for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him").
They both came in secret/under cover to Jesus. The woman in faith coming under cover, completely oblivious to the multitude pressing upon Jesus ( Luke 8:45), risking being recognized, dragged out & beaten for her 'crime'; as was Nicodemus, in secret from the prying eyes of his peers & probable expulsion - using the cover of darkness, desperate to learn the secret about this Man whom so many hated & would feel justified in killing.
If either of these two came up openly to Jesus, in public view, they might well have not had their needs met, for reasons given above. But their great need for healing, one for a sick body & the other for a troubled mind & spirit, were greater than the probable results that would have come against them. Onto Page 2.
And so we see Faith in its greatest display here: that full 'persuasion' meant that nothing else mattered when the desperate need for help & restoration drove one person to the only One Who can deliver & heal. And of course, with Nicodemus, John 19:39,40 reveals that he, along with Joseph of Arimathaea, tended with all care to the lifeless Body of Jesus, having believed the Words of Jesus given to Him at the first & now fully persuaded even identifying with Jesus in His Death.
It appears that Nicodemus was now a new man, grieving over Jesus & separated from the rest of his company of murderous colleagues who no doubt were overcome with joy at Jesus' Death & the end of their problems. I also wonder if that woman's faith held up strongly after her healing & realization that all Jesus had done to her & for others, none other could do "except God be with Him". Blessings.
Yes, the similarities are noteworthy indeed! I do wonder (with the woman) if the crowd knew she was considered unclean as she was making her way through to Jesus. She would have been required to call out "unclean, unclean" before going around anyone. I know it's of no importance, just curious. I do appreciate you sharing those similarities.
Those little tassels, those little threads, there are exactly 613 of them. And they are all made on 12 tassels. And they have to be counted and they have to be exact, 613 threads representing the 613 letters in the 10 Commandments. And those tassels are called the TSITSITS on the KANAPH.
Now the Jews themselves, why did they go around touching people's robes? Well, in Malachi 4:2, it says, "But unto you that fear My name shall The Sun of Righteousness (and please notice how Sun is spelled). This is one of the passages of scriptures that's used in creation studies in the book of Genesis to show that the way that the Lord created the universe is to represent His relationship with His people. Jesus, the Messiah is called the Sun (SUN) of Righteousness. "But unto you that fear My name shall The Sun of Righteousness arise, with healing in His KANAPH. It says wings, but it is the word KANAPH. And you shall go forth and grow up as calves in the stall.
And so, the TALLIT, or some people call it the TALETH, is the prayer shawl. That's the whole shawl that the Jewish men wear. And the KANAPH is the border, and the TSITSIT are the tassels.
Now the whole robe, in Numbers 15:37-41, this was the Lord's instructions on the making of this robe, its color, everything about it. And so, putting all those scriptures together, just in their brief summary form, is that whenever a rabbi, and by the way the rabbis back then were different than the rabbis today.
Rabbis back then in Jesus' day were teachers. They were not on staff. They were not part of the leadership of the synagogue. They were teachers. And that is all they did was teach. In fact, some of them traveled from village to village and charged people money for them to teach their children the Torah (the Law).
I do agree with you about the parallels in the bible. You make an interesting statement about His power going out exclusively to her. With such a huge crowd pressing against Jesus, so many people had to have been touching Him, but His virtue only goes out to her.
Sorry it took me a bit to get back with you. I needed to find my notes from a study I did several years ago on Luke 8:43-48 which I have outlined as "The Provision for The Hemophiliac." I wanted to share more about what this woman actually touched on Jesus' garment.
In Verse 43, we have this woman who had a constant hemorrhaging problem and she had it for 12 straight years. Since she had this kind of condition, she would have to wear a red robe, and she would have to call out "unclean, unclean" as she came near people. She was unclean to touch or to be around the public. It's interesting that "Dr. Luke" gives us a little information. She spent everything she had on physicians and none of them could heal her! So, she comes up from behind Jesus and her issue of blood stopped flowing.
Here's what I find fascinating about this garment:
Leviticus 15:25 tells us that if a woman has an issue of blood many days out of the time of her separation, if it runs beyond the time of her separation, all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation, she shall be unclean. She was unclean for 12 years.
The KANAPH is the bottom border of the garment, the robe that the Jewish men wore. The TALLIT is the name of the prayer shawl. The KANAPH is the border on the garment at the bottom. Then there are these little tassels that hang down from the KANAPH and they are called TSITTSIT's (pronounced seat-seats). If you ever get the chance to attend a real live Jewish Passover meal, you will notice the little tassels that hang down off of the border, or the KANAPH of his prayer garment. And it's interesting because those cannot just be made by anybody.
I see why you wantin to tell about that now ha,wow thats excellent research/schooling,,especially when the instructions,blueprint for it all down to the number of the threads came in the bible..
like instruction of the ark of the covenent and temples curtains etc.those were special craftsman/women back then you can sense the spiritual help they were getin,first time read it thought im gonna make me one, thats what did for living
i/we do passover since mid 80's. but its standard time one also been doing Lunar passover..you would halfto to know the story on that one to understand it,ha...
the 613 letters of the Ten Commandments is excellent gemstone,thankyou
Was there female Rabbi;s at some point n if so what were they called.probably not,but just checkin. im still being schooled by a teacher,thats my guided source but yes also ive noticed about the word Sun,..and alot of others words with just one differant letter,,ha But,very good info there,alot of Gems...
but dont understand one thing,you said she touched the Kanaph ,the border,then last thing you said,there was no physical touch,. jst asking in good honest jest,and for taking time to share this awesome info,nice gift.
Sorry, but I don't have an answer for the female Rabbi question. I am not aware of any female Rabbi's in the Old Testament. I don't believe females are allowed to serve as Rabbi's in Orthodox Judaism, but please don't quote me on that.
What I meant by there was no physical touch, and I should have clarified that, so thank you so much for catching that as what I said does seem misleading. But what I meant is that Jesus did not lay His hands on her or touch her in order for her to be healed. She touched Him, and virtue went out from Him. There was no physical touch on Jesus' part other than her touching Him.
What's interesting with this is that in Matthew 9:20-21, we read about a woman who has been hemorrhaging for 12 years. And her condition is that she is unclean. Any flow of blood makes a woman unclean. She's been hemorrhaging constantly for 12 years.
But look at the confidence of this woman in Verse 21: She comes up behind Jesus, and she touches the hem of His garment in confidence because she says if I could just touch the hem of His garment, I'll be healed.
Now this wasn't just like coming up behind somebody's trousers and saying if I touch the hem of His garment. This was the TALLIT, the outer garment of the Jew. And they had these little tassels that would hang down. The Jews held that if a Rabbi was truly a man of God and had the presence of God with him, you could touch the Tallit's, and a miracle would be performed.
She was convinced that Jesus is a man of God. But notice her confidence. She says I know if I come up and touch the hem of His garment (The little tallit), that I will be healed, and I'll be made whole. And she touched Him, and she was made whole.
Faith is like a battery cable
The Trinity or Holy family in general, is like a Powerstation or huge battery
a person is like a light fixture
in this chptr. a girl knew all she had to do was touch Jesus;s clothing,thru Faith,to transmit the power
when she did,was exactly like a battery cable or a wire Touching/Connecting to a Power source or battery
Completing the Connection
Jesus said he felt his power go out of him.and said to the girl, One important thing
'Your Faith has made thee whole' it was the Power cable of Faith that made the connection
to the Power source
Faith is the connection that turns the lights on
Christ was walking thru crowds of people they were all grabbing at him,he asked who did this they said everyone is reaching reaching out to you. thats what makes this story very special,theres more to it.
Thankyou for the info about the Tallit
You are welcome. I have more information about the Tallit and exactly what she touched on Jesus' garment that I can share if you'd like? At least it is information that I find interesting!
And I agree with you that her confidence goes hand in hand with faith. Since the word faith literally means persuasion, she was fully persuaded in her mind about who Jesus was and that He alone had the power to heal her.
God Bless!!!
they can be parallelling another instance from the past or future in differant ways,some people see one thing another person see's another
1611, Jesus said 'Who touched my clothes' in another one, scene it said the Hem of his garment
general idea is there,she did what the other people were doing or trying to do,but his power went out to her exclusively for the reasons you noticed in that last paragraph you sent, Confidence Faith n persuasion,,yep
but yes would be interested in what you would like to share about that and the Tallit.
im open minded for sake of learning and Truth
God Bless ya too
Back then even Jesus was called a rabbi, and He had a prayer shawl. The word teacher is DIDASKALOS. HRABI in Hebrew means teacher. Around the 18th or 19th century the whole meaning of rabbi changed to what we know today. Today, it's somebody who's on staff and part of the leadership in the administration. Back then the rabbis were teachers and that is all they did.
It's interesting that when rabbis would travel (Jesus being a rabbi), He wore a TALLIT. And this woman said if I can just come up and touch the KANAPH of His garment (the promise of Malachi 4:2). Jewish people went around touching the hems and the tassels of Jewish rabbis because they believed in their teachings that if the Jewish rabbi truly was anointed of God, that you could touch his KANAPH and be healed. It didn't always happen. That is just part of their tradition.
But it was based on God's promise here, that healing in His KANAPH (translated wings) is part of the robe for the rabbis. The reason she comes up behind Jesus is because she is unclean. She is not even supposed to be there in the crowd. But she knows, because she knows who Jesus is and she has heard about Him, so she comes up from behind Him and touches the KANAPH, the border. And immediately she was healed.
Jesus in Verse 45 says, "Who touched me?" After everybody denied it, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude is thronging and pressing upon you, what do you mean, who touched me? Everybody's touching you! Jesus turns and instructs them and says, "Somebody has touched me: for I perceive that virtue has gone out of me." This was a special ministry that came out from Jesus to this woman. It wasn't a physical touch.
I hope this was not too long and I do hope that you might find some use with what I have shared here. God Bless!!!
That was very informative!
God bless.
Thanks brother Jesse for that very informative & enlightening explanation on the different parts of those garments. As I considered Luke 8:43-48 & the condition of the woman (both her emotional & physical states), my mind went also to John 3:1,2 concerning Nicodemus. Of course, these are two very separate events, but the similarities seem noteworthy.
Both the woman & Nicodemus had very clear pressing needs. The one for healing of her persistent, long-drawn-out bleeding condition & the other, of his desperate need to reconcile what his fellow Pharisees believed about Jesus & what was niggling in his own mind of the real truth about Jesus ("for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him").
They both came in secret/under cover to Jesus. The woman in faith coming under cover, completely oblivious to the multitude pressing upon Jesus ( Luke 8:45), risking being recognized, dragged out & beaten for her 'crime'; as was Nicodemus, in secret from the prying eyes of his peers & probable expulsion - using the cover of darkness, desperate to learn the secret about this Man whom so many hated & would feel justified in killing.
If either of these two came up openly to Jesus, in public view, they might well have not had their needs met, for reasons given above. But their great need for healing, one for a sick body & the other for a troubled mind & spirit, were greater than the probable results that would have come against them. Onto Page 2.
And so we see Faith in its greatest display here: that full 'persuasion' meant that nothing else mattered when the desperate need for help & restoration drove one person to the only One Who can deliver & heal. And of course, with Nicodemus, John 19:39,40 reveals that he, along with Joseph of Arimathaea, tended with all care to the lifeless Body of Jesus, having believed the Words of Jesus given to Him at the first & now fully persuaded even identifying with Jesus in His Death.
It appears that Nicodemus was now a new man, grieving over Jesus & separated from the rest of his company of murderous colleagues who no doubt were overcome with joy at Jesus' Death & the end of their problems. I also wonder if that woman's faith held up strongly after her healing & realization that all Jesus had done to her & for others, none other could do "except God be with Him". Blessings.
Yes, the similarities are noteworthy indeed! I do wonder (with the woman) if the crowd knew she was considered unclean as she was making her way through to Jesus. She would have been required to call out "unclean, unclean" before going around anyone. I know it's of no importance, just curious. I do appreciate you sharing those similarities.
God Bless!!!
Those little tassels, those little threads, there are exactly 613 of them. And they are all made on 12 tassels. And they have to be counted and they have to be exact, 613 threads representing the 613 letters in the 10 Commandments. And those tassels are called the TSITSITS on the KANAPH.
Now the Jews themselves, why did they go around touching people's robes? Well, in Malachi 4:2, it says, "But unto you that fear My name shall The Sun of Righteousness (and please notice how Sun is spelled). This is one of the passages of scriptures that's used in creation studies in the book of Genesis to show that the way that the Lord created the universe is to represent His relationship with His people. Jesus, the Messiah is called the Sun (SUN) of Righteousness. "But unto you that fear My name shall The Sun of Righteousness arise, with healing in His KANAPH. It says wings, but it is the word KANAPH. And you shall go forth and grow up as calves in the stall.
And so, the TALLIT, or some people call it the TALETH, is the prayer shawl. That's the whole shawl that the Jewish men wear. And the KANAPH is the border, and the TSITSIT are the tassels.
Now the whole robe, in Numbers 15:37-41, this was the Lord's instructions on the making of this robe, its color, everything about it. And so, putting all those scriptures together, just in their brief summary form, is that whenever a rabbi, and by the way the rabbis back then were different than the rabbis today.
Rabbis back then in Jesus' day were teachers. They were not on staff. They were not part of the leadership of the synagogue. They were teachers. And that is all they did was teach. In fact, some of them traveled from village to village and charged people money for them to teach their children the Torah (the Law).
(Part 1):
I do agree with you about the parallels in the bible. You make an interesting statement about His power going out exclusively to her. With such a huge crowd pressing against Jesus, so many people had to have been touching Him, but His virtue only goes out to her.
Sorry it took me a bit to get back with you. I needed to find my notes from a study I did several years ago on Luke 8:43-48 which I have outlined as "The Provision for The Hemophiliac." I wanted to share more about what this woman actually touched on Jesus' garment.
In Verse 43, we have this woman who had a constant hemorrhaging problem and she had it for 12 straight years. Since she had this kind of condition, she would have to wear a red robe, and she would have to call out "unclean, unclean" as she came near people. She was unclean to touch or to be around the public. It's interesting that "Dr. Luke" gives us a little information. She spent everything she had on physicians and none of them could heal her! So, she comes up from behind Jesus and her issue of blood stopped flowing.
Here's what I find fascinating about this garment:
Leviticus 15:25 tells us that if a woman has an issue of blood many days out of the time of her separation, if it runs beyond the time of her separation, all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation, she shall be unclean. She was unclean for 12 years.
The KANAPH is the bottom border of the garment, the robe that the Jewish men wore. The TALLIT is the name of the prayer shawl. The KANAPH is the border on the garment at the bottom. Then there are these little tassels that hang down from the KANAPH and they are called TSITTSIT's (pronounced seat-seats). If you ever get the chance to attend a real live Jewish Passover meal, you will notice the little tassels that hang down off of the border, or the KANAPH of his prayer garment. And it's interesting because those cannot just be made by anybody.
like instruction of the ark of the covenent and temples curtains etc.those were special craftsman/women back then you can sense the spiritual help they were getin,first time read it thought im gonna make me one, thats what did for living
i/we do passover since mid 80's. but its standard time one also been doing Lunar passover..you would halfto to know the story on that one to understand it,ha...
the 613 letters of the Ten Commandments is excellent gemstone,thankyou
Was there female Rabbi;s at some point n if so what were they called.probably not,but just checkin. im still being schooled by a teacher,thats my guided source but yes also ive noticed about the word Sun,..and alot of others words with just one differant letter,,ha But,very good info there,alot of Gems...
but dont understand one thing,you said she touched the Kanaph ,the border,then last thing you said,there was no physical touch,. jst asking in good honest jest,and for taking time to share this awesome info,nice gift.
cant Thankya enough
God bless ya too
Sorry, but I don't have an answer for the female Rabbi question. I am not aware of any female Rabbi's in the Old Testament. I don't believe females are allowed to serve as Rabbi's in Orthodox Judaism, but please don't quote me on that.
What I meant by there was no physical touch, and I should have clarified that, so thank you so much for catching that as what I said does seem misleading. But what I meant is that Jesus did not lay His hands on her or touch her in order for her to be healed. She touched Him, and virtue went out from Him. There was no physical touch on Jesus' part other than her touching Him.
Blessings!
What's interesting with this is that in Matthew 9:20-21, we read about a woman who has been hemorrhaging for 12 years. And her condition is that she is unclean. Any flow of blood makes a woman unclean. She's been hemorrhaging constantly for 12 years.
But look at the confidence of this woman in Verse 21: She comes up behind Jesus, and she touches the hem of His garment in confidence because she says if I could just touch the hem of His garment, I'll be healed.
Now this wasn't just like coming up behind somebody's trousers and saying if I touch the hem of His garment. This was the TALLIT, the outer garment of the Jew. And they had these little tassels that would hang down. The Jews held that if a Rabbi was truly a man of God and had the presence of God with him, you could touch the Tallit's, and a miracle would be performed.
She was convinced that Jesus is a man of God. But notice her confidence. She says I know if I come up and touch the hem of His garment (The little tallit), that I will be healed, and I'll be made whole. And she touched Him, and she was made whole.
God Bless!!!
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