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  • Giannis - 8 months ago
    Hi Bennymkje

    The verse in Peter 1:10 you mentioned shows in a very obvious way that salvation is never secured. Otherwise there ix mo reason for that " make your calling and election sure" . So isn't salvation sure? If we don''t do all those things mentioned in the previous verses, no it is not. This is obviously against predestination the way some believe it. Because it shows that even if God had selected some for salvation, the final outcome depends on the individual, not God. Predestination implies secured salvation, otherwise it can not be applied.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi Giannis,

    Salvation is only secured in Christ. The believer abides in Christ as a branch bearing fruits. His works are natural product of his faith. Faith without works is dead. Predestination is thus matching the calling of God (the book of life) with the book of the Lamb. Those who worship the beast lose their names in the book of the Lamb. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

    The Father does not judge anyone and has left it to the Son.

    Predestination has the final word with Jesus Christ. " For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"(Col.1:19-20)
  • Giannis - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi

    John 15:2

    Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

    Why doesn't a branch in Christ bear a fruit? It is a branch, isn't it? So if it a natural thing to have fruit what makes it to not make one?

    John 15:7

    If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

    John 15:10

    If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    So for one to abide in Christ, His words must abide in them, and in simple words they must keep His commandments. This is not natural, it is a disicion we make and succeed through God's/Jesus' grace
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi Giannis,

    Here you have touched the key to abundant life in Christ. The covenant under the third day, we have this verse,"And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good./And the evening and the morning were the third day"(Ge.1:12-13). What is sown is a a seed it is 'the seed was in itself'. It is the word of God and it requires time to mature. " It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:"(1 Co.15:43) Anyone coming to Christ has to die to the world and sin. Faith and works of the believer is in becoming like 'after his kind' that is becoming Christlike. Isaiah's song of my beloved touching his vineyard ends up, strangely."What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?"(Is.5:1-5) Israel's heart was not right in the sight of God. " I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." So the problem lies in one who says he is a branch but his heart is not fully with it.



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