John 6:37 states "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
THE INVITATION IS TO THE WHOLE WORLD!
John 1:7-9. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that ALL MEN through him might believe.
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, WHICH LIGHTEST EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD.
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
( John specifically included the Greek word holou, which means "whole, entire, all, complete.")
Revelation 22:17. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And LET HIM THAT IS A THIRST COME. And WHOSOEVER will, let him take the water of life freely.
God loves each and every person ( John 3:16)
an atonement limited by God as a denial of the omnibenevolence of God.
Out of love God sent Christ to atone for the whole world. But nit everyone will respond.
May I ask you a question or two regarding your understanding of the atonment?
Do you believe the Bible teaches that Christ paid the full penalty demanded by the law of God for the sins of everyone or only for for those whom He saves?
If the former, then why would anyone suffer the penalty demanded bt the law of God for their sin? Would that not be a violation of God's justice and double jeopardy?
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Also. 1 John 2:2.
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
I also believe those verses and others like them. They are in fact from the mouth of God, Himself just as is every verse in the Bible.
But they must be understood and interpreted in the light of everything of the Bible teaches about the nature of salvation.
So, I would ask:
What does it mean to "believe"?
When these verses use the word "world", is it talking about every single person in the world? Or is it saying that God's salvation is not dependent upon what nation we come from. And that salvation is not based upon nationality in any sense.
How does your understanding of the nature of salvation fit into Romans 3:10-18? Or Romans 9?
You asked; "When these verses use the word "world", is it talking about every single person in the world?
Referring to
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
Yes David here's my understanding.
( John specifically included the Greek word holou, which means "whole, entire, all, complete.
Your second question you asked; "How does your understanding of the nature of salvation fit into Romans 3:10-18? Or Romans 9?
My understanding.
Because of Romans 3:10-18 the invitation goes out to everyone in the WHOLE world.
Just as Romans 3:20 goes out to everyone in the whole world.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
If the Ministration of death which slew us went out to everyone then the Gospel and a drink of the living water invitation went out to everyone.
If the ministration of death that slew us doesn't goes to everyone there would be no need for the Gospel.
Paul said when the law came we died.
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:13.
David here's what we have in front of us and the scope of our debate.
Either God created EVERYONE, then "by the law" slew EVERYONE but only gave the ability to a few to recieve the invitation and condemn the rest to hell.
Or,, Good created everyone,
by the law, slew everyone and brought light into the world that Light, which lighteth EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD, as John 1:9 says to offer salvation to everyone.
I do not agree with your understanding when we harmonize everything the Bible teaches regarding the Nature of Salvation, the Nature of Mankind, and the Nature of God's Justice and Judgment.
THE INVITATION IS TO THE WHOLE WORLD!
John 1:7-9. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that ALL MEN through him might believe.
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, WHICH LIGHTEST EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD.
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
( John specifically included the Greek word holou, which means "whole, entire, all, complete.")
Revelation 22:17. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And LET HIM THAT IS A THIRST COME. And WHOSOEVER will, let him take the water of life freely.
God loves each and every person ( John 3:16)
an atonement limited by God as a denial of the omnibenevolence of God.
Out of love God sent Christ to atone for the whole world. But nit everyone will respond.
God bless.
May I ask you a question or two regarding your understanding of the atonment?
Do you believe the Bible teaches that Christ paid the full penalty demanded by the law of God for the sins of everyone or only for for those whom He saves?
If the former, then why would anyone suffer the penalty demanded bt the law of God for their sin? Would that not be a violation of God's justice and double jeopardy?
Here's what I believe.
John 3:15-18.
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Also. 1 John 2:2.
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
God bless
Thank you for responding.
I also believe those verses and others like them. They are in fact from the mouth of God, Himself just as is every verse in the Bible.
But they must be understood and interpreted in the light of everything of the Bible teaches about the nature of salvation.
So, I would ask:
What does it mean to "believe"?
When these verses use the word "world", is it talking about every single person in the world? Or is it saying that God's salvation is not dependent upon what nation we come from. And that salvation is not based upon nationality in any sense.
How does your understanding of the nature of salvation fit into Romans 3:10-18? Or Romans 9?
You asked; "When these verses use the word "world", is it talking about every single person in the world?
Referring to
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
Yes David here's my understanding.
( John specifically included the Greek word holou, which means "whole, entire, all, complete.
Your second question you asked; "How does your understanding of the nature of salvation fit into Romans 3:10-18? Or Romans 9?
My understanding.
Because of Romans 3:10-18 the invitation goes out to everyone in the WHOLE world.
Just as Romans 3:20 goes out to everyone in the whole world.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
If the Ministration of death which slew us went out to everyone then the Gospel and a drink of the living water invitation went out to everyone.
If the ministration of death that slew us doesn't goes to everyone there would be no need for the Gospel.
Paul said when the law came we died.
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:13.
David here's what we have in front of us and the scope of our debate.
Either God created EVERYONE, then "by the law" slew EVERYONE but only gave the ability to a few to recieve the invitation and condemn the rest to hell.
Or,, Good created everyone,
by the law, slew everyone and brought light into the world that Light, which lighteth EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD, as John 1:9 says to offer salvation to everyone.
Which do you believe?
I do not agree with your understanding when we harmonize everything the Bible teaches regarding the Nature of Salvation, the Nature of Mankind, and the Nature of God's Justice and Judgment.
2 Timothy 3:16
1 Corinthians 2:12-16
Please see my last response to Chris.
I will read over your responses to Chris and get back with you perhaps tonight or tomorrow.
I just come off a road trip and got a bucket list to deal with.
God bless.
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