As you know,in the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth.(heaven/singular as if it was only one heaven is wrong, GOD created the 1st,2nd and 3rd heavens,and the heaven of the heavens).In the other hand,in Genesis 1:1 the NAME of JESUS,the beginning,still was in occult because could not still be revealed,the revelation of the NAME of JESUS would be only in the fourth Day,around 4000 years after Adam,i.e.only in the turn from the fourth to the fifth GOD's Day,NEVER before.By the way,without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.When the Word was made flesh-the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing-,JESUS said to the Jews:My Father works hitherto,and I work- John 5:17.It still was the beginning of the fifth Day or around 30AD.
John 1:1
1In the beginning(in JESUS) was the Word...and the Word was GOD.
3All things were made by Him;without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.
4In Him was life;and the life was the light of men.
10He was in the world,and the world was made by Him,and the world knew Him not.
11He came unto His own,and His own received Him not.
12But as many as received Him,to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,even to them that believe on His NAME:
Exodus 3:13-15
13Moses said unto GOD(unto the beginning-JESUS),Behold,when I come unto the children of Israel,and say unto them,The GOD of your fathers hath sent me unto you;and they shall say to me,What is His name?what shall I say unto them?
14And GOD(JESUS)said unto Moses,I Am That I Am:Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,I Am hath sent me unto you.
15...Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel:The Lord GOD of your fathers,
the GOD of Abraham,GOD of Isaac,GOD of Jacob,
hath sent me unto you:this is my NAME FOR EVER...
Exodus 6:3-I appeared unto Abraham,Isaac and unto Jacob,by the name of GOD Almighty( Revelation 1:8),but by my NAME Lord GOD-JESUS-was I not known to them.(NOT by esoteric and kabbalist Jehovah,not by the demonic tetragrammaton YHWH)
Your post on Psalms 90:4 deserved the best of my attention.
O no, Spencer, Moses was born around 2500 years after Adam, and in his PRAYER Moses was remembering the wonderful revelations GOD had given to him about His works of the evening and morning of each Day of a thousand years past not only until his current time, but also on the future Days, until our current time, acording the Plan of GOD described in Genesis 1, understand?
O yes, Spencer, you say GOD is from everlasting to everlasting as is written, it is true, however, if we receive the witness of men, the witness of GOD is greater, understand? Well, the Word of GOD, is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is the everlasting GOD, GOD Himself, Self-Executing, so the things GOD made from six thousand of years ago, or ten thousand, or billions of years ago, for my GOD they are of today, understand? for my GOD and Father there is not time or inexists time, He is Omnipresent, understand?
Regarding Psalm 90:2 and the content of all the rest of your posted commentary, you are saying surreptitiously as if I were interpreting the Scriptures in accordance with your imaginations written in your post, which is not true. Could you tell me which point in the timeline posted by me does not match the Scriptures?
By the way, I would ask: Why does the Jewish calendar have a difference of exactly 240 years in relation to the Christian calendar?
Sorry, but no I don't understand and haven't payed any attention to your time line,
Just the formula you use.
I've originally seen a post from you maybe a few months back where you mentioned 2 Peter 3:8 as your basis for your "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years formula.
I started to comment then but I didn't.
I'm just asking "Why are you only using half the verse?
If you decide not to answer that that's fine.
But, can you atleast tell me what does the second half of the verse mean? It can't be excused. It's not there for nothing. It's scripture and on the same verse.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and ( A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.)
Does that mean God started his creation 7 days ago?
I know that sounds silly but it's reasonable according to the way you calculate.
Or, When using your interpretation of 2 Peter the way you do is it reasonable to say When God says "And the evening and the morning were the first day" in Genesis 1:5. That also is a thousand years with the evening lasting 500 years and the day lasting 500 years?
Oseas you and I know we are not going to come to an agreement so let's agree to disagree.
O no,Spencer,again,to clarify you and all readers here,I did not use any formula,it is you are using it,I only made pure description of a biblical Chronology in the time line posted of a very known biblical period of around 6000 years,i.e. the biblical Chronology from Adam until this current Day, and it has nothing to do with any kind of formula.
You are inventing and insinuating one pseudo-formula that has nothing to do with the Word of GOD,I unknow your peculiar formula according your spirit.For what man knoweth the things of a man,save the spirit of man which is in him?even so the things of GOD knoweth no man,but the Spirit of GOD,understand?1Co.2:11.And as you said,you have payed any attention in the time line posted,and invented and insinuated one pseudo-formula that has nothing to do with the Word of GOD.
That said,regarding your question,as all can see you unfortunately developed first a false premise based in an invention of a pseudo formula that does not exist in the Biblical Chronology, and tempt me to answer a nonsense question from you; a false premise results in a false conclusion,and this is EXACTLY what you have described in sequence of your narrative and questions made after your first question.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,the Word of GOD is the Truth,the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing,understand?
GOD went in the Garden of Eden at the turn of a Day,it was in the end of a millennium,and beginning of another millennium. JESUS in His parable speaks that at midnight a cry made is heard,well, midnight refers to the turn of a new Day,i.e.from the sixth to the seventh Day,the LORD's Day.In my understand what we MUST crie is that"the bridegroom cometh;He is arriving,go ye out to meet Him.Six complete Days or six complete millenniums have already passed since Adam.
In my vision,we are alreading living in the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day,still in the beginning of it.For the Devil's world, there will be ONLY SEVERE punishments
Oseas. I believe the following is what we are all reading. And this is what you have written:
"Oseas - In Reply - 1 day ago
GOD'S days as being 1 day = 1000 of our years--> 2Peter 3:8
John 5:17-My Lord JESUS said:My Father worketh hitherto,and I work.
GOD sent JESUS in the turn from the fourth Day to the fifth Day, i.e.around 4000 years after Adam,and around 1500 years after Moses.As JESUS said,GOD the Father still was working,in fact until the end of the recent last millennium,the sixth millennium.
Based in the Word of God,on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest(a total of seven days)plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years,so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each(a total of 6000 years)plus a Millennium of 1000 years rest(now a total of 7,000 years)".
So, when you say that you're not referring to 2 Peter 3:8, yet writing, "plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years", then you should understand that you are being very confusing to us. The fact that you are using a 6000 year period and then mentioning 2 Peter 3:8 to support your timeline, indicates that you clearly believe that "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years". And as S. Spencer has asked, 'What then would you do when "a thousand years is as one day"? We can't pretend it's not there.
SeanPaul in his reply days ago, now page 3, asked on GOD'S days as being 1 day = 1000 of our years, yeah, he asked Is this in the Bible? If so can you point me to WHERE to FIND this? I am not questioning you I'm looking but can not find. (I don't know to whom he asked), wasn't it for you, Chris, by chance?
And then, Chris, what do you think? Is this in the Bible, Chris, as SeanPaul asked? He also asked: Where to find it? SeanPaul wanted to know it. No one responded or gave this information to SeanPaul, I don't know why. How/What would be your answer to SeanPaul on his question, Chris, and Spencer? 'where is written 1 day = 1000 years of our days'? Yeah, where is written? Or is not it written? What do you think?
In the other hand, regarding time line I posted it is LITERALLY based in 2Peter 3:8, yes. What is written there? 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day (GOD's Day) is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day. Unfortunately because I said to SeanPaul as above explained, i.e. where is written in the Bible what he asked, and no one responded, then Spencer imagined and insinuated I used a HALF of the verse to make the time line, this insinuation is not true, it's a lie, trying to make real what is false. A false premise results in a false conclusion, for this it is unacceptable what Spencer INVENTED, insinuate, and posted. This terrible fact caused me serious discomfort and sadness.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,the Word of GOD is the Truth, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
Yes Oseas, I remember that SeanPaul asked this question & I did respond, as did S. Spencer. And we gave him the Scripture, though there was a slight difference in his wording. And now you've confirmed that the "time line you posted it is LITERALLY based in 2 Peter 3:8". How should readers view that statement? If your timeline (and I have no problem with it, give or take), is based on 2 Peter 3:8, it would be logical to believe that, that is the Scripture used to support your timeline, is it not? Then if you used the first part of that verse in support, the question then is, 'what about the second part of that verse (i.e. "and a thousand years as one day")? If we take the first part of a verse, we must take the second part of it as well, because the whole matter is in the whole verse, not just a part of it.
If then 'one day is as a thousand years', then it is true that 'a thousand years is as one day'. Any use of that verse to show that a day equals a thousand years, must also show that a thousand years equals one day. This verse then cancels out your other statement, "the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6000 years)": it all gets cancelled, so that verse cannot be used to prove what you believe, rather the verse is simply an expression of the timeless eternity that God resides in & when His Hand moves, it is not based on our clocks & calendars.
I hope you can see why some of us might be perplexed in your understanding and use of this verse, & not just our responses to SeanPaul.
I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand? I don't and never used the Word of GOD by a half, but the whole GOD's Word.
2Peter 3:8 - What does the Word of GOD say? But, beloved, be not IGNORANT of this one thing, that one Day (GOD's Day) is with the Lord as a thousand years(a Millennium), and a thousand years(a Millennium) as one Day-(GOD's Day). Did you understand?
In fact, the names of them WHICH ARE USING the verse by a half as base for malevolente comments are SeanPaul, Spencer and Chris. IN FACT, the intention of the stealthy spirit was to throw a stumbling block, and from there develop an environment for a DEMONIC discussion, mainly with me, no surprise, the time is of the last battle as is written, but the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, understand? the Word is quick and powerful, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and INTENTS of the hearts. My Lord JESUS warned(He is GOD, understand?) saying that "out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, FALSE WITNESS, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, blasphemies, understand? Matthew 15:19
Now, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, and as He said by His servant the Apostle Peter, i.e. the heavens(the FIRST and the SECOND HEAVENS, THE 3rd will be established from now on), and the earth(the current idolater Israel, the clay, a dry land), which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment(the Judgment Seat of Christ in this current Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) and perdition of ungodly men.
That's fine Oseas. I will discontinue this discussion with you as I perceive that you are unable to, or unwilling to, get a proper grasp of that Scripture which we have offered to explain to you. Rather, to spew out unwarranted, unfactual accusations against others seems to be your main purpose.
Do you believe in JESUS, Chris? He is GOD, do you understand?
In fact your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumbling block, not from GOD's perspective. Matthew 16:22-23. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth. He that comes from above is above all, what he has seen and heard, that he testifies; What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
In fact I know perfectly the proper grasp of that Scripture which you offer to explain in likeness Genesis 3:1. By the way, my Lord JESUS make it very clear, saying -> Matthew 25:29-30:
29 Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 Cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Do you believe in JESUS, Chris? He is GOD, understand?
I have seen this where you mention and other people mention GOD'S days as being 1 day = 1000 of our years. Is this in the Bible? If so can you point me to where to find this? I am not questioning you I'm looking but can not find.
I agree with Brother Chris, Peter is not giving specific number of years to calculate from;
If we look at verses 3-4 we see Peter is dealing with scoffers.
"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation".
Verses 5,6 and 7 Peter reminds us that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth was destroyed by water and by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Now we come to verse 8; "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Verse 8 is giving us a picture of God's patience and longsuffering!
He's not setting there watching a clock drawing impatience.
It's explained in verse 9.
"Vs 9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Verse 10 tells us when the Lord comes it will be no count down. He's coming suddenly!
Vs 10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night...
He mentions the longsuffering of our Lord again in verse 15.
"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Is saying there is no clock that governs God's patience.
No, Peter Apostle was not thinking what you are thinking Peter was thinking. Oh no, absolutely. Your thinking is according to Chris. But in fact, Peter apostle was mentioning what he knew about GOD's time, and it is written in the Psalm 90:4, so Peter having the same Spirit that was is Moses, he confirmed in his universal epistle what Moses wrote in his prayer to the Lord GOD in the Psalms 90.
By the way, Moses in his prayer said too: -->(90:11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath. 12 So TEACH us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
Psalms 90:4 "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
OSeas that is just saying God is not bound by times. He's from everlasting to everlasting!
Look at the previous verses to get the context.
Psalms 90:2 "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
And again if Peter is speaking of how we can calculate a day in 2 Peter 3:8 then what does a "thousand years as one day". mean?
Oseas you have to factor that into your equation if it's a way to count down prophecy.
You can't just ignore the second half of this verse.
If it's a formula for time then it brings you a thousand years forward then a thousand years back which is no time at all.
Hello SeanPaul. 2 Peter 3:8 can be understood in a couple of ways. One, similar to what Oseas has shared here, & the other (which I strongly lean to), is that Peter in this verse, is not giving us a specific number of years to calculate from; rather, that we are to understand that with God Who lives in eternity (i.e. outside of time), that even one of our earthly days, or a thousand, or even a million of our days, is to God as inconsequential & remains unaffected by them. God doesn't work based on our time scale but according to His Plan & Will for things to happen; and His Will is not governed by our clock. However, where certain days are given to us (e.g. Daniel 12:10-12, of the time of the Great Tribulation), then we are obliged to use those numbers to learn from. So I see a difference in how we are to read such Scriptures.
I prayed last night after reading this verse for at least a hour over and over, help me see. I looked at a seminary instructions and classes for Bible study to learn on how one should study.
They say keep 3 things in mind who is talking, who are they talking to, and what are they addressing. Also what you think is the mean can not contradict the Bible because the Bible is the truth.
So when I read that verse all I see is what you see, is Peter trying to explain God doesn't perceive time as we do. If you read the entire chapter. But the years does help explain why the genealogy and years are so tedious in Genesis.
But this is all I can think, and forgive me Jesus if I'm wrong, If you take this idea and apply it across the Bible then it must be true everywhere is could be applied, Yes? Remember Jesus nor any other apostil ever said this. If Gods day is 1000 year and God said I will raise from the grave in 3 days , see my problem? or is that's why the second part of the verse is there?
Hi again SeanPaul. Bro S. Spencer has given you a much more detailed understanding of 2 Peter 3:8 than I gave, as he correctly brought in the other Scriptures that point to this verse, giving it meaning, i.e. of the patience & longsuffering of God towards sinful men and the suddenness of God's final actions against evil.
But I'm glad that you have prayed & carefully considered this important verse & surrounding verses and also noting those three points you learned when looking at Scripture. I would also add, that whenever we read Scripture, we must also ask 'why, when, where, & how' as well; we may not always get the answers we seek from the Word, but we need to search as far as we are able. If we don't, then we can easily be misled into all sorts of interpretations, whether from our overactive minds or supposedly, revelations from the Spirit. The Bible is given to us for our learning & when we correctly read what is given, the Spirit of God will interpret it for our understanding & application to our lives.
And of course, we must be able to discern what are expressions in English & what are factual details. And as S. Spencer has stated, if we take 2 Peter 3:8 as a literal fact, then when we try to apply it, those numbers will fail & make the verse & the way we try to use it, meaningless. So, Jesus' example in Matthew 12:40 of His burial for three days & three nights must be taken as literal & not some Hebraic expression, since that's what took place after His crucifixion. But if all references to 'God's Day being a thousand years & a thousand years as one day' is taken as literal, then it would make the Scriptures pertaining to 'one or a thousand' altogether misleading & erroneous, we then forcing them to fit our beliefs.
GOD'S days as being 1 day = 1000 of our years--> 2Peter 3:8
John 5:17-My Lord JESUS said:My Father worketh hitherto,and I work.
GOD sent JESUS in the turn from the fourth Day to the fifth Day, i.e.around 4000 years after Adam,and around 1500 years after Moses.As JESUS said,GOD the Father still was working,in fact until the end of the recent last millennium,the sixth millennium.
Based in the Word of God,on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest(a total of seven days)plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years,so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each(a total of 6000 years)plus a Millennium of 1000 years rest(now a total of 7,000 years)
Biblical Chronology- Genesis 5
Adam lived ..........................130 yrs-begat Seth
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As you know,in the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth.(heaven/singular as if it was only one heaven is wrong, GOD created the 1st,2nd and 3rd heavens,and the heaven of the heavens).In the other hand,in Genesis 1:1 the NAME of JESUS,the beginning,still was in occult because could not still be revealed,the revelation of the NAME of JESUS would be only in the fourth Day,around 4000 years after Adam,i.e.only in the turn from the fourth to the fifth GOD's Day,NEVER before.By the way,without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.When the Word was made flesh-the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing-,JESUS said to the Jews:My Father works hitherto,and I work- John 5:17.It still was the beginning of the fifth Day or around 30AD.
John 1:1
1In the beginning(in JESUS) was the Word...and the Word was GOD.
3All things were made by Him;without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.
4In Him was life;and the life was the light of men.
10He was in the world,and the world was made by Him,and the world knew Him not.
11He came unto His own,and His own received Him not.
12But as many as received Him,to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,even to them that believe on His NAME:
Exodus 3:13-15
13Moses said unto GOD(unto the beginning-JESUS),Behold,when I come unto the children of Israel,and say unto them,The GOD of your fathers hath sent me unto you;and they shall say to me,What is His name?what shall I say unto them?
14And GOD(JESUS)said unto Moses,I Am That I Am:Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,I Am hath sent me unto you.
15...Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel:The Lord GOD of your fathers,
the GOD of Abraham,GOD of Isaac,GOD of Jacob,
hath sent me unto you:this is my NAME FOR EVER...
Exodus 6:3-I appeared unto Abraham,Isaac and unto Jacob,by the name of GOD Almighty( Revelation 1:8),but by my NAME Lord GOD-JESUS-was I not known to them.(NOT by esoteric and kabbalist Jehovah,not by the demonic tetragrammaton YHWH)
Your post on Psalms 90:4 deserved the best of my attention.
O no, Spencer, Moses was born around 2500 years after Adam, and in his PRAYER Moses was remembering the wonderful revelations GOD had given to him about His works of the evening and morning of each Day of a thousand years past not only until his current time, but also on the future Days, until our current time, acording the Plan of GOD described in Genesis 1, understand?
O yes, Spencer, you say GOD is from everlasting to everlasting as is written, it is true, however, if we receive the witness of men, the witness of GOD is greater, understand? Well, the Word of GOD, is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is the everlasting GOD, GOD Himself, Self-Executing, so the things GOD made from six thousand of years ago, or ten thousand, or billions of years ago, for my GOD they are of today, understand? for my GOD and Father there is not time or inexists time, He is Omnipresent, understand?
Regarding Psalm 90:2 and the content of all the rest of your posted commentary, you are saying surreptitiously as if I were interpreting the Scriptures in accordance with your imaginations written in your post, which is not true. Could you tell me which point in the timeline posted by me does not match the Scriptures?
By the way, I would ask: Why does the Jewish calendar have a difference of exactly 240 years in relation to the Christian calendar?
Thanks again for your replies.
Sorry, but no I don't understand and haven't payed any attention to your time line,
Just the formula you use.
I've originally seen a post from you maybe a few months back where you mentioned 2 Peter 3:8 as your basis for your "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years formula.
I started to comment then but I didn't.
I'm just asking "Why are you only using half the verse?
If you decide not to answer that that's fine.
But, can you atleast tell me what does the second half of the verse mean? It can't be excused. It's not there for nothing. It's scripture and on the same verse.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and ( A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.)
Does that mean God started his creation 7 days ago?
I know that sounds silly but it's reasonable according to the way you calculate.
Or, When using your interpretation of 2 Peter the way you do is it reasonable to say When God says "And the evening and the morning were the first day" in Genesis 1:5. That also is a thousand years with the evening lasting 500 years and the day lasting 500 years?
Oseas you and I know we are not going to come to an agreement so let's agree to disagree.
God bless you.
You are inventing and insinuating one pseudo-formula that has nothing to do with the Word of GOD,I unknow your peculiar formula according your spirit.For what man knoweth the things of a man,save the spirit of man which is in him?even so the things of GOD knoweth no man,but the Spirit of GOD,understand?1Co.2:11.And as you said,you have payed any attention in the time line posted,and invented and insinuated one pseudo-formula that has nothing to do with the Word of GOD.
That said,regarding your question,as all can see you unfortunately developed first a false premise based in an invention of a pseudo formula that does not exist in the Biblical Chronology, and tempt me to answer a nonsense question from you; a false premise results in a false conclusion,and this is EXACTLY what you have described in sequence of your narrative and questions made after your first question.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,the Word of GOD is the Truth,the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing,understand?
GOD went in the Garden of Eden at the turn of a Day,it was in the end of a millennium,and beginning of another millennium. JESUS in His parable speaks that at midnight a cry made is heard,well, midnight refers to the turn of a new Day,i.e.from the sixth to the seventh Day,the LORD's Day.In my understand what we MUST crie is that"the bridegroom cometh;He is arriving,go ye out to meet Him.Six complete Days or six complete millenniums have already passed since Adam.
In my vision,we are alreading living in the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day,still in the beginning of it.For the Devil's world, there will be ONLY SEVERE punishments
God bless
"Oseas - In Reply - 1 day ago
GOD'S days as being 1 day = 1000 of our years--> 2Peter 3:8
John 5:17-My Lord JESUS said:My Father worketh hitherto,and I work.
GOD sent JESUS in the turn from the fourth Day to the fifth Day, i.e.around 4000 years after Adam,and around 1500 years after Moses.As JESUS said,GOD the Father still was working,in fact until the end of the recent last millennium,the sixth millennium.
Based in the Word of God,on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest(a total of seven days)plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years,so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each(a total of 6000 years)plus a Millennium of 1000 years rest(now a total of 7,000 years)".
So, when you say that you're not referring to 2 Peter 3:8, yet writing, "plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years", then you should understand that you are being very confusing to us. The fact that you are using a 6000 year period and then mentioning 2 Peter 3:8 to support your timeline, indicates that you clearly believe that "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years". And as S. Spencer has asked, 'What then would you do when "a thousand years is as one day"? We can't pretend it's not there.
SeanPaul in his reply days ago, now page 3, asked on GOD'S days as being 1 day = 1000 of our years, yeah, he asked Is this in the Bible? If so can you point me to WHERE to FIND this? I am not questioning you I'm looking but can not find. (I don't know to whom he asked), wasn't it for you, Chris, by chance?
And then, Chris, what do you think? Is this in the Bible, Chris, as SeanPaul asked? He also asked: Where to find it? SeanPaul wanted to know it. No one responded or gave this information to SeanPaul, I don't know why. How/What would be your answer to SeanPaul on his question, Chris, and Spencer? 'where is written 1 day = 1000 years of our days'? Yeah, where is written? Or is not it written? What do you think?
In the other hand, regarding time line I posted it is LITERALLY based in 2Peter 3:8, yes. What is written there? 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day (GOD's Day) is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day. Unfortunately because I said to SeanPaul as above explained, i.e. where is written in the Bible what he asked, and no one responded, then Spencer imagined and insinuated I used a HALF of the verse to make the time line, this insinuation is not true, it's a lie, trying to make real what is false. A false premise results in a false conclusion, for this it is unacceptable what Spencer INVENTED, insinuate, and posted. This terrible fact caused me serious discomfort and sadness.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,the Word of GOD is the Truth, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
Be careful or else get ready - Matthew 12:32
If then 'one day is as a thousand years', then it is true that 'a thousand years is as one day'. Any use of that verse to show that a day equals a thousand years, must also show that a thousand years equals one day. This verse then cancels out your other statement, "the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6000 years)": it all gets cancelled, so that verse cannot be used to prove what you believe, rather the verse is simply an expression of the timeless eternity that God resides in & when His Hand moves, it is not based on our clocks & calendars.
I hope you can see why some of us might be perplexed in your understanding and use of this verse, & not just our responses to SeanPaul.
2Peter 3:8 - What does the Word of GOD say? But, beloved, be not IGNORANT of this one thing, that one Day (GOD's Day) is with the Lord as a thousand years(a Millennium), and a thousand years(a Millennium) as one Day-(GOD's Day). Did you understand?
In fact, the names of them WHICH ARE USING the verse by a half as base for malevolente comments are SeanPaul, Spencer and Chris. IN FACT, the intention of the stealthy spirit was to throw a stumbling block, and from there develop an environment for a DEMONIC discussion, mainly with me, no surprise, the time is of the last battle as is written, but the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, understand? the Word is quick and powerful, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and INTENTS of the hearts. My Lord JESUS warned(He is GOD, understand?) saying that "out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, FALSE WITNESS, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, blasphemies, understand? Matthew 15:19
Now, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, and as He said by His servant the Apostle Peter, i.e. the heavens(the FIRST and the SECOND HEAVENS, THE 3rd will be established from now on), and the earth(the current idolater Israel, the clay, a dry land), which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment(the Judgment Seat of Christ in this current Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) and perdition of ungodly men.
Be careful or else get ready
Do you believe in JESUS, Chris? He is GOD, do you understand?
In fact your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumbling block, not from GOD's perspective. Matthew 16:22-23. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth. He that comes from above is above all, what he has seen and heard, that he testifies; What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
In fact I know perfectly the proper grasp of that Scripture which you offer to explain in likeness Genesis 3:1. By the way, my Lord JESUS make it very clear, saying -> Matthew 25:29-30:
29 Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 Cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Do you believe in JESUS, Chris? He is GOD, understand?
Please help.
2 Peter 3:8
I agree with Brother Chris, Peter is not giving specific number of years to calculate from;
If we look at verses 3-4 we see Peter is dealing with scoffers.
"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation".
Verses 5,6 and 7 Peter reminds us that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth was destroyed by water and by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Now we come to verse 8; "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Verse 8 is giving us a picture of God's patience and longsuffering!
He's not setting there watching a clock drawing impatience.
It's explained in verse 9.
"Vs 9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Verse 10 tells us when the Lord comes it will be no count down. He's coming suddenly!
Vs 10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night...
He mentions the longsuffering of our Lord again in verse 15.
"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Is saying there is no clock that governs God's patience.
God bless.
No, Peter Apostle was not thinking what you are thinking Peter was thinking. Oh no, absolutely. Your thinking is according to Chris. But in fact, Peter apostle was mentioning what he knew about GOD's time, and it is written in the Psalm 90:4, so Peter having the same Spirit that was is Moses, he confirmed in his universal epistle what Moses wrote in his prayer to the Lord GOD in the Psalms 90.
By the way, Moses in his prayer said too: -->(90:11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath. 12 So TEACH us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
GOD BLESS
Psalms 90:4 "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
OSeas that is just saying God is not bound by times. He's from everlasting to everlasting!
Look at the previous verses to get the context.
Psalms 90:2 "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
And again if Peter is speaking of how we can calculate a day in 2 Peter 3:8 then what does a "thousand years as one day". mean?
Oseas you have to factor that into your equation if it's a way to count down prophecy.
You can't just ignore the second half of this verse.
If it's a formula for time then it brings you a thousand years forward then a thousand years back which is no time at all.
I would re-examine this Oseas.
God bless.
Thank you for explaining what I also was thinking.
I prayed last night after reading this verse for at least a hour over and over, help me see. I looked at a seminary instructions and classes for Bible study to learn on how one should study.
They say keep 3 things in mind who is talking, who are they talking to, and what are they addressing. Also what you think is the mean can not contradict the Bible because the Bible is the truth.
So when I read that verse all I see is what you see, is Peter trying to explain God doesn't perceive time as we do. If you read the entire chapter. But the years does help explain why the genealogy and years are so tedious in Genesis.
But this is all I can think, and forgive me Jesus if I'm wrong, If you take this idea and apply it across the Bible then it must be true everywhere is could be applied, Yes? Remember Jesus nor any other apostil ever said this. If Gods day is 1000 year and God said I will raise from the grave in 3 days , see my problem? or is that's why the second part of the verse is there?
But I'm glad that you have prayed & carefully considered this important verse & surrounding verses and also noting those three points you learned when looking at Scripture. I would also add, that whenever we read Scripture, we must also ask 'why, when, where, & how' as well; we may not always get the answers we seek from the Word, but we need to search as far as we are able. If we don't, then we can easily be misled into all sorts of interpretations, whether from our overactive minds or supposedly, revelations from the Spirit. The Bible is given to us for our learning & when we correctly read what is given, the Spirit of God will interpret it for our understanding & application to our lives.
And of course, we must be able to discern what are expressions in English & what are factual details. And as S. Spencer has stated, if we take 2 Peter 3:8 as a literal fact, then when we try to apply it, those numbers will fail & make the verse & the way we try to use it, meaningless. So, Jesus' example in Matthew 12:40 of His burial for three days & three nights must be taken as literal & not some Hebraic expression, since that's what took place after His crucifixion. But if all references to 'God's Day being a thousand years & a thousand years as one day' is taken as literal, then it would make the Scriptures pertaining to 'one or a thousand' altogether misleading & erroneous, we then forcing them to fit our beliefs.
John 5:17-My Lord JESUS said:My Father worketh hitherto,and I work.
GOD sent JESUS in the turn from the fourth Day to the fifth Day, i.e.around 4000 years after Adam,and around 1500 years after Moses.As JESUS said,GOD the Father still was working,in fact until the end of the recent last millennium,the sixth millennium.
Based in the Word of God,on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest(a total of seven days)plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years,so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each(a total of 6000 years)plus a Millennium of 1000 years rest(now a total of 7,000 years)
Biblical Chronology- Genesis 5
Adam lived ..........................130 yrs-begat Seth
Seth lived ............................105 yrs-begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ............................90 yrs-begat Kenan;
Kenan lived.............................70 yrs-begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ........................65 yrs-begat Jared;
Jared lived ............................162 yrs-begat Enoch;
Enoch lived .............................65 yrs-begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived......................187 yrs-begat Lamech;
Lamech lived...........................182 yrs-begat Noah;
From Noahs birth until the Flood.600 yrs.
Total yrs from Adam to the Flood=1656 years
SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ------------------DURATION
I- From Adam to the Flood-(Gen.5 plus 7:11)------1656 years
II- From the Flood to Abraham-( Gen. 11&12)-------427 years
III- From Abraham to Exodus-(Gal.3:17)-------------430 years
IV-From Exodus to king Saul-(1Reis6:1(480-84)-----396 years
V-From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem ------------------508 years
VI-From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ----------------587 years
Thus,from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus --------4004 years
From Jesus to our days(Christian Calendar)---------2023 years
Total from Adam to our days -------------------------6027years
GOD BLESS
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