Bible Discussion Thread

Trinity vs Oneness camp: Part 1

I have been wiped out on my computer TWICE trying to get this posting out. Seems the enemy doesn't want me to do this.

Or I had too many windows up at the same time. UGH.

Whenever I go to get scripture references I take a chance on wiping out the page; although my computer for some reason stalled out last run..

I will post this as an argument and rebuttal format just to do something different....

First assumption (as best I understand it). Christ didn't appear any other time in a bodily form except while here on earth.

It should be clear that Christ rose with scars remaining from His body which He had on earth that was resurrected. This is clear from "doubting Thomas" in John 20:28. There are numerous instances when Christ was indeed in a preincarnate form; such as with the incident with Abraham in Genesis 18:18 (where it also appears the discussion in the previous verses is between the Godhead as to whether these things should remain hidden). There is also the incident with the angel of the Lord in Hosea 11:4 cross referencing Jacob wrestling with God in the account of Genesis 32:22-32. For worship to occur these saints of God were indeed only to worship God. Since 1 John states that no one can see God and live; and Genesis 32:30 says that no one has seen God at any time; it seems clear that Christ was appearing in these cases. Numerous other verses could be cited.

The "us" verses.

We see in the original creation story in Genesis 1; as well as the narrative of the Tower of Babel ( Genesis 11:7) where "our image" and "us" is referred to in the creation of man; and the determination to confuse the language of men.

Argument Two: Main premise that God is one appearing in different "modes" or forms. To ignore that God is in distinct persons seems absurd in light of verses such as Luke 23:46 (where Jesus commended His spirit to God at death); and all other verses which showed Christ praying to the Father.