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  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Newness of life, by the Spirit.

    Part 1

    Romans 7:1-5

    Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

    For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

    So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

    Wherefore, my brethren, YE ALSO ARE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW BY THE BODY OF CHRIST; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    For WHEN WE WERE in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to BRING FORTH FRUIT UNTO DEATH.

    ( The law shows us we have a fleshly nature that is fallen and incapable of bringing forth fruit unto God.)

    Galatians 3:21-25.

    Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

    But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

    But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    Romans 7:6.

    But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    See Part 2.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Newness of life by the Spirit.

    Part 2.

    Romans 7:7-9

    What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

    But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

    For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

    2 Corinthians 3:6-11.

    Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

    But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

    How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

    For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

    For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

    For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

    Romans 7:10-14.

    And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

    For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

    Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

    Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

    For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    See Part 3
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Newness of life by the Spirit.

    Part 3.

    Romans 7:15-25.

    For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

    Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

    For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

    But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    Philippians 3:7-11.

    But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

    Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have

    suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

    And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the

    righteousness which is of God by faith:

    That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

    The law was given to Israel, but it wasn't to make them Holy.

    It was given to show the world that it was necessary for a new birth in Christ Jesus.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you brother S. Spencer for those very pertinent Scriptures relating to the subject at hand. They indeed show the total inadequacy of the Old Law to both save or to gain God's Favor. And if may add, that this time-bound Old Law given to Israel was even revealed in the OT, where there should have been an expectation in Israel that 'something better' was yet to come from the God of Israel.

    We can also look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers....After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." And this Scripture is referred to in Hebrews 8:6-13.

    There was nothing wrong with the words of the old Law; it simply pointed to their inability to keep it & to the coming Messiah Who could keep it perfectly thus fulfilling it - and through His Death & Resurrection, ushered in God's New Covenant "making the first old - ready to vanish away". And vanish it did, through the Blood of this Everlasting Covenant. Maybe, we should focus our thoughts on how the Holy Spirit given to us, enables us to obey ALL of God's Commandments, not by the letter, but in very specific guidance & provokings in our hearts, as the child of God allows the Spirit to fill his life completely. When we do trust in the Holy Spirit to do this, then there would be no need for recourse to the Law that only brought death.



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