It would be interesting to see how different people interpret these verses? ( Jeremiah. 23:28-30) especially v30 which tells us "Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets saith the LORD, that ((steal my words)) every one from his neighbor". The word (steal) is #1589; it means to thieve, to deceive, carry away, secretly bring, steal (away) get by stealth. How is it possible for one to steal the words of the LORD?
Jimbob I did not mean to sound over zealous, forgive me if I did. I do believe that this prophecy is meant for all times. I also believe that arguing the KJV serves no purpose.
This reply is meant for you and all the family. (all God's children).
John P thank you for your response. You said arguing the KJV serves no purpose. I agree arguing serves no purpose John. But what would you say ( 2 Tim. 4:3-4) is referring to? "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine"
(Where could that doctrine be today that's not (sound doctrine)? The Truth does matter John.
( Jer. 23:36) Tells us "for ye have (perverted) the words of the living God"
The word (perverted) is #2015; it means to turn about or over, to change, overturn, pervert, change.
This verse is saying ye have (changed) the words of the living God, this is prophecy for us today also you did agree with that in your comment.
The Words of the LORD are pure Words ( Ps. 12:6-7) Not to be added to ( Proverbs. 30:5-6) lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
The word (pure) is #2889; it means to be pure, sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated, morally innocent or holy.
If the words of the LORD are added to or changed then those words become doctrine that's not sound, they are contaminated, they are not pure anymore. All the modern version Bibles especially as many as we have today cannot possibly be sound doctrine, they are (perverted) = they have all changed their words, they are no longer pure words. They do not align with the Original languages like the KJB does which to me shows a second witness in the languages.
( Rev. 22:18-19) Tells us what God thinks about adding to or taking away from His Words.
Again thank you for your comment John. Many Blessings.
Jimbob, I am grateful for you and all of our brothers and sisters who are carrying forward the word of God. I will say what I believe what Paul was saying. Every person that preaches must be checked out in the word of God. There are many false prophets in the world today. They could be considered the same as most judges of today. Most judges go by precedent, not law, most preachers go by hearsay and not God's word. They rip The Word apart and makeup their stories, their sermon as they want. They do not know who Paul was, they only think they do. A lot want to take him out of the bible completely.
Paul was saying 'go forth and preach the true word of God, we cannot 'save anyone' but we can sure plant the seeds and God is the only one who can make them grow.
Paul spoke many tongues or languages; among them he spoke the common man's Greek or what we would call street talk today.
We say 'Paul wrote most of the new testament'. It was Luke who did most of the writing but those words God would give Paul to speak, Luke would write.
We can see how he would use the word 'cloud or clouds' in Heb. 12:1. Seems he would use it more than once as 'a cloud of witnesses'.
So seeing how God's word can be tourn apart by false prophets as in 1st Thessalonians 4, where most false prophets would get the 'rapture' from, when the word 'rapture' is not even in the word of God, Paul again would use the word 'cloud': he would say,
we would see Jesus 'coming in clouds', meaning in a cloud of witness. If we read from verse 13 to the end of the chapter. We will then see in verse 15 the word 'prevent' meaning we cannot be 'before them'. Why? We are standing on earth and they are with Christ. So we will also be changed into the spiritual body in the wink of the eye. May God bless us, everyone.
John P thank you for your kind words John. I am also grateful for you and everyone else on this site for sharing the Word of God. Iron sharpens Iron! I really don't know how Paul came into this conversation but I do have to disagree with your meaning of the word clouds John. It does say that in ( Heb. 12:1) But that is the only place Paul said a cloud of witnesses.. We cant say Paul meant a cloud of witnesses in every place he mentions in the clouds if we are to keep those verses in context. Even back in ( Dan. 7:13) it says "one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven". In ( Acts. 1:9-11) We are told in v9 "he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight" and in v11 We are told "this same Jesus, which is taken up from you, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" (He was taken up and a cloud received Him, so He will return in like manner, in, or with a cloud) The harvest of the church is ( Rev. 14:14-16) v14 "And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man" v15 Tells us "Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time has come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe" (The harvest is by the Son of man (Jesus Christ) who sat on a white cloud) We need to keep these verses in context John. ( 1 Thess. 4:13-17) v17 Tells us "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds" ("to meet the Lord in the air") (We meet Him in the clouds) ( 1 Cor. 15:51-54) Is the same event, when we meet Him in the clouds our bodies will be changed to spiritual bodies. This happens in ( Mt. 24:29-31) "Immediately after the tribulation" v30 "and they shall see the Son of man (Jesus Christ) coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory". Jesus does come in the clouds John. If I'm not mistaken I studied with the same Pastor you did for many years, this is one thing he did get wrong. Thank you John for your comment. Many Blessings.
I do not believe I would ever interpret any word of God in different meanings from what He has spoken. I think if you read the first couple of verses of this chapter you will see what I am saying.
The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah
Chapter 23
1
Woe be unto the pastors6 that destroy18 and scatter56 the sheep of my pasture! saith7 the LORD.
2
Therefore thus saith1 the LORD God of Israel against the pastors6 that feed6 my people; Ye have scattered52 my flock, and driven them away,55 and have not visited1 them: behold, I will visit6 upon you the evil of your doings, saith7 the LORD.
I do agree, all prophecies are meant for us today, and to the end, especially this one. I also believe the pulpit will be the first to be judged. God Bless
Good afternoon. I read Jeremiah 23:9-40. This section of Jeremiah is addressing the deceit and wickedness of those who proclaim themselves to be prophets whom God never called to be nor sent them to Hid people. They were prophesying peace and well-being for those who acted out of the imaginations of their own hearts. They did as they pleased and the false prophets pretty much said, "That's OK. You will be blessed in your way"d
The false prophets were saying that the Lord spoke to them, but He didn't and therefore their words were lies. They would claim to have a "burden of the Lord" to speak out their visions, dreams, or prophetic words that were all false and not from God.
As for Verse 30, it seems that God considers anyone prophesying in the name of the Lord who were not told to do so by God as stealing HIs words. Perhaps they were mixing in some Scripture with their false prophesying. The priests were corrupt too. God said that He sees all that happens and what is done in secret. He saw all that the priests and the false prophets did and said and claimed about Him speaking through them. This is a serious matter to God.
Even today there are many false prophets and false dreams, visions, and prophecies going out into the church family often doing much harm and not benefiting anyone spiritually.
GiGi thank you for your comment explaining how you see those verses. GiGi will you please reread those verses and this time think of them as being prophecy for the time period we are living in today. That is how I see that chapter.
Here's one thing to keep in mind when reading it again if you would please, in ( Jeremiah. 23:16-17) v17 It tells us these prophets say 'Ye shall have peace" and "No evil shall come upon you".
(When is this evil in the Lastdays?)
In ( Eph. 6:10-17) v11 tells us to "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand (against the wiles of the devil) v13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the ((evil)) day, and having done all, to stand".
Its called the evil day when the devil is on this earth in ( Eph. 6:11,13) that will be great tribulation.
There are many people today who say they wont be here for that evil day, they say that evil day will not come upon them.
I honestly don't mean to offend anybody here GiGi but this is what the Spirit is showing me to be the Truth in Scripture, and it is far to important to ignore for the time period we are living now. May God open the eyes of all who seek His Truth.
Yes I agree , many of us shall still be alive and in our physical bodies during the most turbulent events that have ever happened on earth . We will need to have rock solid faith in our Dear Heavenly Father so that we come through as gold , tried seven times in the furnace . Any day can be our last day ,as any of us could die today and the next thing that we shall be aware of is Christ , waking us up . So we must be prepared every day , to loose our lives in this world and to wake up in the next . Christ is coming and I'm so excited and desperate for his return . Pray : Thy Kingdom Come !
Jema what a glorious day that will be, and the way this world is looking now He will be returning for His church soon. But we will see things get a lot worse than they are right now before He does return. We must be strong in our Faith and keep our trust in Him. Thank you Jema for your comment. God Bless you.
This reply is meant for you and all the family. (all God's children).
(Where could that doctrine be today that's not (sound doctrine)? The Truth does matter John.
( Jer. 23:36) Tells us "for ye have (perverted) the words of the living God"
The word (perverted) is #2015; it means to turn about or over, to change, overturn, pervert, change.
This verse is saying ye have (changed) the words of the living God, this is prophecy for us today also you did agree with that in your comment.
The Words of the LORD are pure Words ( Ps. 12:6-7) Not to be added to ( Proverbs. 30:5-6) lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
The word (pure) is #2889; it means to be pure, sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated, morally innocent or holy.
If the words of the LORD are added to or changed then those words become doctrine that's not sound, they are contaminated, they are not pure anymore. All the modern version Bibles especially as many as we have today cannot possibly be sound doctrine, they are (perverted) = they have all changed their words, they are no longer pure words. They do not align with the Original languages like the KJB does which to me shows a second witness in the languages.
( Rev. 22:18-19) Tells us what God thinks about adding to or taking away from His Words.
Again thank you for your comment John. Many Blessings.
Paul was saying 'go forth and preach the true word of God, we cannot 'save anyone' but we can sure plant the seeds and God is the only one who can make them grow.
Paul spoke many tongues or languages; among them he spoke the common man's Greek or what we would call street talk today.
We say 'Paul wrote most of the new testament'. It was Luke who did most of the writing but those words God would give Paul to speak, Luke would write.
We can see how he would use the word 'cloud or clouds' in Heb. 12:1. Seems he would use it more than once as 'a cloud of witnesses'.
So seeing how God's word can be tourn apart by false prophets as in 1st Thessalonians 4, where most false prophets would get the 'rapture' from, when the word 'rapture' is not even in the word of God, Paul again would use the word 'cloud': he would say,
we would see Jesus 'coming in clouds', meaning in a cloud of witness. If we read from verse 13 to the end of the chapter. We will then see in verse 15 the word 'prevent' meaning we cannot be 'before them'. Why? We are standing on earth and they are with Christ. So we will also be changed into the spiritual body in the wink of the eye. May God bless us, everyone.
The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah
Chapter 23
1
Woe be unto the pastors6 that destroy18 and scatter56 the sheep of my pasture! saith7 the LORD.
2
Therefore thus saith1 the LORD God of Israel against the pastors6 that feed6 my people; Ye have scattered52 my flock, and driven them away,55 and have not visited1 them: behold, I will visit6 upon you the evil of your doings, saith7 the LORD.
I do agree, all prophecies are meant for us today, and to the end, especially this one. I also believe the pulpit will be the first to be judged. God Bless
Good afternoon. I read Jeremiah 23:9-40. This section of Jeremiah is addressing the deceit and wickedness of those who proclaim themselves to be prophets whom God never called to be nor sent them to Hid people. They were prophesying peace and well-being for those who acted out of the imaginations of their own hearts. They did as they pleased and the false prophets pretty much said, "That's OK. You will be blessed in your way"d
The false prophets were saying that the Lord spoke to them, but He didn't and therefore their words were lies. They would claim to have a "burden of the Lord" to speak out their visions, dreams, or prophetic words that were all false and not from God.
As for Verse 30, it seems that God considers anyone prophesying in the name of the Lord who were not told to do so by God as stealing HIs words. Perhaps they were mixing in some Scripture with their false prophesying. The priests were corrupt too. God said that He sees all that happens and what is done in secret. He saw all that the priests and the false prophets did and said and claimed about Him speaking through them. This is a serious matter to God.
Even today there are many false prophets and false dreams, visions, and prophecies going out into the church family often doing much harm and not benefiting anyone spiritually.
Here's one thing to keep in mind when reading it again if you would please, in ( Jeremiah. 23:16-17) v17 It tells us these prophets say 'Ye shall have peace" and "No evil shall come upon you".
(When is this evil in the Lastdays?)
In ( Eph. 6:10-17) v11 tells us to "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand (against the wiles of the devil) v13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the ((evil)) day, and having done all, to stand".
Its called the evil day when the devil is on this earth in ( Eph. 6:11,13) that will be great tribulation.
There are many people today who say they wont be here for that evil day, they say that evil day will not come upon them.
I honestly don't mean to offend anybody here GiGi but this is what the Spirit is showing me to be the Truth in Scripture, and it is far to important to ignore for the time period we are living now. May God open the eyes of all who seek His Truth.
God Bless you.
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