Bible Discussion Thread

Dan Jesus said John baptised you with water But i will baptise you with the H.G. and fire, 3 times this is recorded

in the N.T...Even John who gave us water baptism told Jesus i have need to be baptised of you....he must increase

but i must decrease....John knew that the Cross was a Blood covenant. not a water Covenant...Thats y John said

behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...Gods Lamb was the Blood....AND IT WAS FINISHED

AT Calvary thus we cannot add anything to it.....Period

Bro Alex,

Jesus in plain language told his disciples:

Matthew 28:19

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Do you not believe this verse? Yes or No?

After Christs crucifixion: Peter tells us (everyone) how we receive the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Do you believe this verse? Yes or No?

You mention John 3:37 This is Jesus telling us to drink from his spirit, yes he promises to give us his Holy Spirit, going on - In John 3:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." This confirms that we will receive the Holy Spirit when we believe in Him, repent, be baptized as "all of the scripture" states. We need to read, understand and believe in "all of the scripture" not just "cherry pick" single verses like this - that may meet "your own unique vision" of salvation.

You continually mention the need for us to become like children to enter into heaven. I agree, we need to become like children as commanded by Jesus: Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The way we become like children - is to become - "like children" - humble, obedient, and submissive to Christs instructions, and commands, as Jesus/God emphasizes throughout the Old, and New Testaments in the bible. The downfall of the Jews and Christians yesterday and today - is the sinful and continual rebellious attitude to obedience toward Gods commands!

Read and believe!

Dan you are not understanding the Child is not about lil Children in the FLESH....Natural Children will have to be bornagain

Jesus is NOT wanting to sire flesh and blood Children in humanity but the H.G. the Child of Promise . A spritual Child

which is the Child of PROMISE.....The Multiplication of Christ is the H.G. THAT IS GONNA RESULT FROM HIS SEED

the Word sown in our hearts which is the baptism of Promise, Only the baptism of Promise results in multiplication of

Christ in our hearts,That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven. And God was

so passionate about this PROMISE HE SWORE BY HIS VERY SELF...Thats y Our lord is saying to whom the WORD

came ( that heavenly seed ) it made them Gods...this is the baptism of Promise that will result after the book is

opened as God told DANIEL IN DAN. 12 : 9...Dan lil Children all carry the stain and the spot of Adam thus they will

all have to be bornagain someday, So Jesus was not talking about flesh and blood Children....He was talking about

his Children that are GONA BE born in us via his Seed the words that are sealed till the last day...Spirits the H.G.

CHILDREN THAT ARE GONNA BE AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN, That Israel of God...The babes and sucklings are his

Children that are gonna be born in US And they praise God perfectly, They are our new heart and new spirits

The CHILDREN OF PROMISE THE H.G....Outa of the hearts of babes and suckling thou has perfected Praise,Thats

our new innerman the H.G. That Child of Promise....Calvary was a blood covenant the lamb of God....not a water

covenant....The water of God is the H.G. the Word which is the blood of GOD...THUS WE ARE MADE CLEAN BY

Words..As Paul said the church has to be made clean by the water of the Word not h20...water baptism

Bro Alex,

The scripture is talking about becoming like a child - by adopting their nature. Yes, we must assume the nature of a child. Scripture is not to be complicated, on the contrary, God wants his WORD to be easy to understand! Even a child should understand most scripture.

Here Jesus tells us:

Matthew 18:3

"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

1- Except ye be converted (We must be Born Again)

2- Become as little children (This means literally become like a child in our nature)

If we don't change, (become Born Again and take on the nature of a child) we will not enter into the kingdom of heaven!

Alex, here is Jesus himself - giving us "The Key" to becoming like a child!

Matthew 18:14

Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Do you believe this scripture? Yes, or no?

Jesus tells us in the above verse that if we humble ourselves like a little child - we will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven! The KEY is becoming humble!

So, in summary, Jesus tells us if we want to become like a child we must become HUMBLE.

In my previous posts I listed for you some scripture verses and asked if you believed them, or not, and you have not provided your answers. If you can't comment directly on these specific scripture then it seems to me like you are avoiding it and just reiterating your normal talking points, and not focusing on the selected scripture and topic.

God Bless.

Bro Alex,

Sorry, my typo. Rather than Matthew 18:13 and 14

It is Matthew 18:3-4

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

God Bless

Bro Alex,

Thanks for your response. Respectfully, you are ignoring these simple verses spoken by Jesus:

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Jesus tells us plainly that "we must be born of water" and "of the Spirit". If not, we CAN NOT enter into the Kingdom of God!

God came down to earth to be born as a person in Jesus, so that he could not only tell us what he expects us to do, but he came to be an example. Jesus didn't need to be baptized, but he did, why, TO SHOW US!

Matthew 3:16-17

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus personally showed us in this scripture above that when we believe, repent, and get baptized, we do receive his Holy Spirit. Jesus probably foresaw that there would be future times that people would question his commands - just like some today that are questioning water baptism. Well, he gives us his "perfect example" of what he wants and commands us to do! Christians can't ignore the above scripture!

Bro Alex, are you also going to ignore this scripture Jesus instructing his apostles below:

Matthew 28:19-20

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus says above in addition to baptizing; "observe all things whatsoever I have commanded of you". Jesus tells us that if we follow him - he will be with us always - until the end of the world!

Alex, I'm not instructing you to do these things - Jesus is instructing you - Read and Believe!

Dan TY MY MAN but Jesus was not speaking of water baptism when he sends them into all nations,

baptising them in the name of the Father son and H.G. THATS THE BAPTISM OF PROMISE, BEHOLD I SEND

THE PROMISE OF MY FATHER UPON YOU WHICH WAS BAPTISM OF THE H.G. WHICH WAS THE MULTIPLICATION

OF CHRIST A LIL ONE ( THE CHILD OF PROMISE ) ..Dan always remember the baptism of Promise was multiplication

of Christ, a lil one. a baby Christ a birth of Christ in us thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man. Mankind

is gona have a baby Christ. Our new innerman the H.G. The Child of PROMISE... Rev 12 : 5 She brought forth aman

Child that is gonna rule all nations....This is the result of the baptism of Promise via his good seed the word....Unless ya

RECEIVE THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS A LIL CHILD YOU WILL IN NO WISE ENTER THERE IN....Dan always remember it

was God the Father that made this Great Promise which is a birthing Covenant impling multiplication of Christ.

Smite the sheppard and the sheep will be scattered ( HIS DEATH ) THEN I WILL TURN MY HANDS TO THE LIL ONES

His Children,...The Children of Promise, our new innerman .the H.G. That baptism of PROMISE...OUR NEW BIRTH.

John 7 : 37 when Jesus spoke of water H20 John says this speak he of the Spirit for the H.G was not yet given b/c

that Christ was not yet glorIfied....i.e when Jesus spoke of being born of water he was really speaking of being born

again of the Spirit, For the H.G. was not yet given....Water baptism was neva the baptism of PROMISE....simply b/c

when the FATHER made that great Promise it was about mankind mulltipling Christ via his Seed the words of the book.