Plz lemme give ya my view on will everybody be saved, will he apply the blood to every creature ? if god applied the curse of adam to every man no exceptions he wd have to apply the blood of christ to every man in the end . the curse of adam was applied to everyman no exceptions, thus the blood of christ that 2 nd adam wd have to be applied to everyman or our lord wd be a hypocrite . thats y our lord said if i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me. preaching limited atonment is false doctrine . its calvanism tulip which is false doctrine . god cd not apply the curse of adam to everyman no exceptions and not apply the blood of christ to everyman . go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature ( the blood ) . 1 st adam and 2 nd adam have lots in common ,what they did in their life time is applied to every man no exceptions period. do not preach limited atonement. in adam we all died but in christ that 2 nd adam we will we will all live .
Your partly right you misunderstood the concept of the blood. The blood of Jesus was shed on calvary for the remissions of sin. If the blood was applied to every man / woman, every man /woman would have to be saved and be forgiven of their sins. But man / woman must first ask for forgiven of that man's sins before the blood can be applied to that man or woman's life. The blood is only applied to a woman's or a man's life if that man or that woman asked Jesus for forgiveness of his / her sins.
Hiya Cowboy Gbu But actually its him that chooses us not US that chooses him. When we were yet dead in sins Christ died for us, everyman . But when the book that is in the FATHERS HAND IS OPENED he will pour out his spirit on all flesh as Joel said in the last days he will pour out his spirit on all flesh. Cowboy mans carnal mind wd neva want anything to do with Christ ,As the carnal mind is the very enemy of God. Its Gods spirit that will move on us and make us Hungrey and thirsty for him.....By my spirit saith the lord...Its all him Cowboy. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son . Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world . But yes we need to repent also .
I think you are still misunderstanding the concept: God tugs on the heart or calls us we listen and except God are we turn a death ear to God. If we except the tug or the call from God than the blood is applied to our life our sins are forgiven. But this is where the freewill comes in if we turn a death ear to God than God leaves us in our sins and at judgement, we will receive our reward good or bad, Heaven are Hell. God said in Genesis 6:3 My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: this is the reason for our freewill to except God or to deny God. If we deny God than the blood can not be applied to our life. But if we except God than the blood can be applied to our life. Matthew 7:6 tells us not to give what is holy to the dogs, now in saying that do you think God is going to do that which he told us not to do and do you think God is going to cast his precious blood before swine. Just saying.
You don't contribute one single thing to your salvation.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also obtain an inheritance, being predestinated according to the PURPOSE of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.
Philippians 1:29 For unto you IT IS GIVEN on the behalf of Christ, to BELIEVE ON HIM .....
1 Peter 1:21 Who BY HIM do BELIEVE in God .....
Salvation is a GIFT of GOD, through GRACE and MERCY.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my spirit within you, and (I WILL) CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my commandments and DO THEM.
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that worketh in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
You do nothing, it's all the WORK OF GOD.
And they will say unto me in that day, LORD DID WE NOT DO, and he will say depart you workers of iniquity.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh and keeps MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give POWER OVER the nations.
You misunderstand the passage Jesus did not destroy death it is still hear. when Jesus was in the center of the Earth for three days as Jonah was in the belly of the whale Jesus came out of hell victoriously with the keys to death, hell, and the grave. The reason Jesus went to hell was to get the keys to death, hell, and the grave. Jesus took the keys away from Satan. Before there was no way to get by hell except God take them from the Earth or God buried them his self like God did Moses. Because Satan held the keys to death, hell and the grave. Praise the Lord we do not have to face hell we are free as long as we are saved by grace and under the blood that Jesus shed on calvary.
Amen AND AMEN BROTHER. EARL. Jesus wd not teach us to forgive all our debtors if he did not intend to forgive all his debtors which is humanity everbody as the whole world are his debtors. he paid every body's sin debt with his blood as the whole world are his debtors i.e. we are all bought with a price no exceptions. Thats y i believe everybody will be saved at the end i.e. everybody will be forgiven their sin debt. no exceptions . HE TOLD SIMON AND MARY THEY WERE LIKE 2 DEBTORS. but HE FRANKLY FORGAVE THEM BOTH. Will he not forgive the whole world . IF I BELIFTED UP I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME.....ALL MEN
I agree Alex, that 'limited atonement' from Calvin's reformed theology is defective because Christ's blood was shed for all, making it possible for all to call upon His Name & be saved. Calvin's belief was that Christ's Blood availed only for the elect even though the Gospel would reach out to all people. So, if you were not part of the elect of God, you had no chance at all for salvation because the Cross was not meant for you.
But what you're stating, is the opposite: that Christ's Blood would be applied to everyone regardless of their disposition to turn to the Cross for redemption. So the questions that arise are: what happened to Romans 10:9; Acts 16:31; etc., where belief was necessary for Christ's Blood to have efficacy on a sinner's heart? How can the unbeliever possibly be saved if he doesn't believe?
If Christ's Blood still avails for all men even after their death, does that not mock the essence of the Gospel requiring man to call upon the Lord now in repentance & contrition of spirit?
If Christ's Blood will save all, why should the Gospel be preached, why should lives be changed, why should the Spirit come to indwell the believer, why should we live holy lives, if in the end everyone is forgiven & accepted? It's all been a waste of time.
Be very careful with what appears to be a belief in the doctrine of Universal Salvation or Universal Reconciliation. It started in the early centuries after the Church was formed & it always had a following because of the great appeal that God's Love was so great that it would be impossible for Him to consign anyone to eternal torment. This can give a person a very nice feeling of security, but Hell's mouth remains open to welcome the gullible & deceived.
Chris i hear ya but its what Jesus did at Calvary that saves us not our conduct as all our righteousness is filthy rags . The blood is applied to every person that hears the Gospel the living word as Jesus was the living word made flesh and blood , the H.G. IS GIVEN TO THEM THAT HEAR THE WORD, his breath etc It wd make our Lord a hypocrite if he applied the curse of ADAM TO EVERY MAN no exceptions BUT NOT APPLY THE blood of Christ to everyman . As he said if i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me Thank you for your input Christ
Please excuse me, Alex. Did you write: "The blood is applied to every person that hears the Gospel the living word as Jesus was the living word made flesh and blood?" If that's what you believe, maybe we've been able to identify a core problem in our understanding of the Scriptures. I read it this way: the Blood that was shed at Calvary avails (or, is made available) to all men. What men do with that Blood that was shed for them becomes their business, not the Lord's. Men are asked to hear it, receive it, believe it, & respond to it in repentance & faith. Once that happens, the shed Blood that is ever before God (as His required substitutionary payment) can then be applied to the sinner, to cleanse & forgive him. If man refuses to receive God's Gift, are you saying the God should still give it because He's a Good God? The God I read about is Holy, Good & Just - not only Holy & Good.
I perceive that you've missed out on the fact of personal conviction & response. Maybe you believe that is not required & that Jesus' Sacrifice was only a matter between Him & the Father & involves no human action & response to it. Since you didn't answer my questions on "why should the Gospel be preached, why should lives be changed, why should the Spirit come to indwell the believer, why should we live holy lives, if in the end everyone is forgiven & accepted?", maybe you have no answer. I would be interested how you would answer them in the light of what you have written.
Chris gbu but you remind me of the workers that were complaining that they had borne the heat of the day and they received the same wages as the last workers . You are saying y should the gospel be preached, y should the spirit come to indwell US ,y should we live holy lives if they get the same wages as US ETERNAL life The last workers got the same as the 1 st workers but the 1st hired were complaining that he had given them the same wages as the last hired . And his answer was is your eye evil b/c i am good . Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature . The good the bad and the ugly he died for everybody and everybody gets the same wages eternal life and a kingdom. He cd not teach us to forgive our debtors if he himself does not forgive all his debtors HUMANITY. Thus in the end everybody will be forgiven their Sin debts. We will all ALL have to go thru the baptism of fire WHICH IS THE H.G. As our God is a consuming fire Mal. 3 : 1 Who shall abide the day of his coming ,who shall stand when he appears ( 2 nd coming ) for he shall be as a refiners fire and fullers soap which is a cleasing fire the baptism of the H.G IS THAT FIRE. Remember Jesus said he came to bring fire on this earth meaning everybody in the end when he comes again. Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire as our God is a consuming fire.
Alex, the Matthew 20 parable would seem appropriate to you as it shows that the 'goodman of the house' was justifiably free to give whatever amount he wished to his labourers. Whether that was a wise economic decision is not the matter here but that he had the power & resources to give as he desired. Likewise, God is in that position. But does the parable show the difference between doing a day's work for a reward, & living a lifetime of rejection of the offer of God's Love. I don't believe it does. It would be interesting to see whether the 'goodman' would have reached out again to any other idle men who refused the invitation to work, preferring to remain idle. Would the 'goodman', in love & compassion, afterwards gone out to them & given them a penny as well? I think in your reckoning, he would have.
Maybe we could also use the parable in Matthew 13:24-30, which doesn't speak of the Gospel preached but of the end result of those who were of the good seed of God & of the evil seed of the enemy - one is saved, the other burned. I couldn't envisage that parable being amended at verse 30 to read, 'gather the tares & wheat into My barn as they are both My creation, therefore I will change the tares to become My wheat'. Sorry for this absurdity, but to demonstrate a point.
You wrote, "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature". Using (your) parable, the Gospel must go out so that all who come will get the same wages of eternal life & a kingdom. True, but what about those who don't come (as maybe those who refused the 'goodman's' offer)? You would say, that even those will 'receive a penny'. If Christ taught that, I might have reason to believe what you say, rather the wicked men & the tares of the field will not inherit life but certain judgement. The Gospel is preached to save men from Hell & have a new life in Christ their Saviour. If you take Hell out of the Gospel, you don't have the Gospel of Christ & of no compulsion to proclaim it.
Alex. Malachi 3:1-4 is a prophecy concerning the refining & purification of Levi so that Judah's & Jerusalem's offering will "be pleasant to the LORD". Nothing to do with us, now or later.
The red heifer sacrifice ( Numbers 19:1-10) was burnt far away from the Tabernacle & only its blood was sprinkled on the door of the Tabernacle, the carcass burned & its ashes stored separately & used for purification purposes. This was only a special sacrifice & has nothing to do with destruction of "our old evil nature". Even as Jesus was crucified & "suffered without the gate", his death meant that we would be saved from the awful penalty for sin & our "old Adamic nature" will always be with us & not consumed, until the day our redemption is completed.
As for the Lake of Fire, we read in Revelation 20:10-15, that the Devil was cast into the Lake of Fire & brimstone, where the beast & false prophet are & will receive eternal torment. You seem to equate the 'baptism of fire' with the 'Lake of Fire'. Not so. This a physical place of torment for the Evil one & his disciples, whoever was not found written in Book of Life. If, as you believe, that all sinners (even Christ-rejecters) will one day be saved, then who are those who join Satan in that awful place? Unless, you believe that Satan must also receive forgiveness.
Your reading & understanding of the Scriptures takes an entirely different route to most people's, even the well-studied, & creates such a wide separation where our paths can never intersect. There is very little common ground on which we can base any further discussion. Thank you for your time Alex.
Rick GBU but you are not understanding there were none righteounsess no not one ,The whole world is the same,
We need the blood of the lamb . Paul didn't need tweeking, he needed a new heart and a new SPIRIT THAT NEW Creature which is the Child of PROMISE a new innerman. NEITHER CIRCUMCISION NOR UNCIRCUMCISION but a new Creature is the only thing that pleases God. Paul said he was the Chiefest of sinners like we ALL ARE ACCORDING TO OUR FLESH. In our flesh dwells no good thing....We need that baptism of fire which is the H.G. THAT CHILD OF promise . Thats y Jesus said blessed are them that follow me in the Regeneration , When the sower will go forth to sow his seed in our hearts he will regenerate himself with his seed the word sown in our hearts . Thats y he calls himself the son of man, Mankind is gonna have a baby Christ which is the H.G The Child of PROMISE. Thats y we must be bornagain of again incorruptible seed which is the seed of Christ the living word That new covenant that he wrote with his own blood.
Alex. I think you're seeing our sinful nature & our sinful hearts as the one & the same. Our hearts are sinful because of our sinful nature that we're born with. Jesus' Sacrifice was to forgive sinful man of his sins & open the way for His Spirit to enter in & renew him, making him a child of God. Our sinful nature will always be with us till our redemption is completed.
My Bible obviously reads differently to yours in respect to Malachi 3:1-4, or else, I don't spiritualize everything I read. Yes, there are lessons & types in the Old that must be carried over to the New, but many, many things are purely historical accounts for our learning & growth in faith & do not find fulfillment in the NT.
I did not say that Christ-rejectors cannot be saved, I said that "you believe, that all sinners (even Christ-rejecters) will one day be saved". A person may reject Christ & His Gospel now, but while there is breath in his body, that soul still has opportunity to repent & be saved, if he comes in faith. Your belief is that all people, even those who reject Christ now & into the next life, will yet be saved because that is how you understand the Gospel. You have it in your mind that all will be saved one day, which I believe goes against the message of the Gospel & its urgency to proclaim it. I ask again, if that is the case, why preach the Gospel - why should any man or woman be moved towards God now, if God is going to save everyone in the end? "If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" 1 Peter 4:18.
Chris if the righteous scarcely be saved is just telling us that the blood of the lamb is gona make everybody righteous in the end .BUT our old ADAMIC NATURE HAS TO GO THRU THE LAKE OF FIRE REMEMBER WHAT JESUS SAID EVERY SACRIFICE HAS TO BE SALTED WITH FIRE WHICH IS THE FIRE OF THE H.G. As jesus said he came to bring fire on this earth meaning on mankind , its simply what mankind needs. In the beginning the curse of ADAM WAS APPLIED TO EVERYMAN , No exceptions ,But in the end the blood of Christ will be applied to everyman, No exceptions As Jesus said if i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me no exceptions , Its our old adamic nature that is sowe that returns to his vomit. and the dog that returns her vomit. But our newman is the H.G. that Child of PROMISE , tHE MULTIPLICATION OF CHRIST via his seed etc. Chris our old man is in rank with Satan, Thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed . And its this satanic nature , our old hearts as jesus said outta of the Hearts of man proceeds all manner of evil that is gonna be destroyed by his baptism of fire ..mans evil adamic nature is our old hearts thats y he has to give us a new heart and a new spirit Simply b/c they are 1 and the same , Thats y he called Peter satan it was simply b/c peter's old adamic nature, he was not yet converted. Born again of an incorruptible seed etc . Christ we must keep in mind that our GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE WE CANNOT DO AWAY WITH THAT TRUTH IF WE WANT TO BE MADE CLEAN.
Alex and others_the Anointing of the Holy Spirit is worth all sacrifice - In Reply - 3 years ago
Peter was speaking as a man. What he said was of concern and feelings of loss. He just wasn't thinking. None of us would want to witness Jesus abused and crucified.
But what he spoke was a huge temptation for Jesus. It is HARD to die for mankind before the Cross and after the Cross.
I'm weak and human. I would've cried rather than rejoiced that Jesus was going to destroy the Devils stolen power, FOREVER. It's just part of humanity we deal with every day.
I kick myself in the head when I see people merrily on the way to hell without a care.
If The Lord had not allowed me to see hell, as in Isaiah 14:11. I saw twisted limbs like roots, and the worms moving. I heard many screaming voices. I fell off the chair I was standing on__I thought, into that scene!! When I hit the floor, it was gone. I was delivered from demons by the Lord. When I woke up the next morning, the Holy Spirit was in me. He helped me clean my home of all occult material.
I had to convince my drunken disco buddies I no longer would be going with them. I lost ALL of my friends, for Jesus.
It's true. If you don't seriously start garnishing your "house" (your inner man, your new spirit that is alive to God now) WITH THE SCRIPTURES OF LIFE, the demons will come back to torment you. I went through more deliverance by the Holy Spirit.
We cannot put ANY KIND OF SPIN on the scriptures. If HE cannot trust us to carry the Anointing with reverence, it will be diminished (in my experience).There is no worse feeling of silence and aloneness. You know, that you know, what's missing. It is the Holy Spirit. He is worth more than anything we once thought precious. I had to get honest, real honest, that I could not manage really personal relationships and my new life in evangelism. I let it go and embraced celibacy. It was the right thing. Don't ever risk the loss of the Anointing. Don't allow antichrist spirits to tempt you over scripture. The rewards are awesome. Greater is He
Alex. I thought you might have looked at verse 17 also: "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? v18, And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?"
Please re-read it. If the Church must face scrutiny, whether by God, Church leaders, & by ourselves for our Christian walk, what then is the judgement of God going to be like for those who refuse the Gospel? Then v18: so if the righteous ones are scarcely saved (i.e. we can only be cast upon the Lord for His mercies & receive His one & only Gift of His Son, having absolutely NO OTHER avenue to approach Him), what happens to the ungodly & sinner, who might even attempt by his own methods of getting to God?
Even the religious persons have no hope. Even those who dedicate their lives to serving/sacrificing to humanity have no hope. Only those made righteous by that powerful, yet dividing Gospel of God, coming on that narrow road that is hard to traverse on, will find salvation, rest & peace for their souls. If you read that passage as, "it's just telling us that the blood of the lamb is gona make everybody righteous in the end", then you will be in the minority who read it like that. Your belief is that all will be accepted by God to the very end, & to achieve that, all Scriptures have to be reinterpreted & conform. The Word of God is not given to us to mangle as we wish, but to know God's Mind & Heart towards His creation - that His offer of Love is given to all (the Gospel), but not all will want that love.
Since you've not written about the need for the Gospel to be preached now & the requirement of faith to believe & be accepted by God, I must assume (& I hope falsely), that your understanding of that too is contrary to what is given in the Word. Again I ask, if all are to be saved, what is the need for the Gospel & for all men to hear it & express faith?
Chris do you not understand that we are ALL ALL bought with a price , WE ARE NOT OUR OWN WE ARE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE . In the end he will simply forgive ALL his debtors . As he teaches us to forgive ALL our debtors . We are simular to the Workers that worked for the whole day but was paid the same as the them that worked only one hour. As Jesus said the kingdom of God is like unto aman who hired workers for his vineyard but some only worked 1 hr. ( those that he
hired the last day.) But Chris Jesus wd not teach us to forgive US ALL our debtors if he himself didn't forgive all his debtors the last day....Remember Simon and Mary when they had nothin to pay he frankly forgive then both ,The 1 who owed 50 and the 1 who owed 500, he frankly forgave then both. Thus he will forgive all his debtors. If he forgave Paul
a murderer no doubt he will forgive everybody and anybody. But the question you ask seem to imply we are all our own
but we are not our own we are all bought with a price.
Alex. Your two comments are long & would require a lot of unnecessary space to deal with each point. But to take up one of those points: "4 Times in johns Gospel he Jesus said he wd raise them up the last day . How cd he do that unless it was by his spirit that is poured out on everybody THE LAST DAY WHICH IS THE DAY WE ARE IN NOW."
This belief of yours, I would say, is typical of how you interpret Scripture. In John's Gospel, this phrase appears in John 6:39,40,44,54 (I believe these are the verses you refer to). You've obviously read them but since you want to believe that all will be raised to live forever with the Lord (in that coming day), that these verses apply to everyone. But did you not read also: "all which he hath GIVEN ME I should lose nothing"; "that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH ON HIM"; "the Father which hath sent me DRAW HIM"; "WHOSO EATETH MY FLESH, AND DRINKETH MY BLOOD". What is the thought in those portions? Are you unable to see the common thread running through the verses, that Jesus was speaking about those who are found IN CHRIST (those GIVEN, those who BELIEVE, those being DRAWN by God, those who partake in the merits of Christ's Sacrifice). None of these Truths can ever be applied to the sinful, unbelieving, ungodly of this world nor of the world to come.
As far as I can recall, you never speak of having faith when coming to Christ & to be justified by God ( Ephesians 2:8: God's grace plus our faith = salvation). I wonder why that is. Maybe, it would negate your belief that all people will eventually be saved, because faith in Christ's redemptive work can only apply now, or else it's no longer 'faith'. Also, you don't write about Satan & his evil spirits also getting redeemed & enjoying holiness of life - after all you will quote verses such as Revelation 5:13 which should support your belief. Alex, please read & understand the Scriptures as given ("rightly dividing the Word"), & not try to re-write the Holy Bible.
Chris we are to be a light until the Kingdom comes....We should be washing others feet ( their hearts ) Ye are the light of the world etc , But he does speak of a nite season coming when no man can work, That great abomination of desolation standing in the holy places. ( The Churches ) And the day of the lord cannot come till there 1st come a great falling away.
Chris he does not leave us orphans, He talks with us and walks with us, We are his workmanship , And there is a relationship with him . But when the Book is opened thats when they sang a new song meaning the mediation of the new covenant .
And thats when he will pour out his spirit on all flesh as Joel said..ALL FLESH THATs EVERYBODY. Thus there will be no more seas of HUMANITY that has NOT been washed in his blood....Just as he applied the curse of Adam to everybody the 1st day. NO EXCEPTIONS The blood of Christ will be poured out on everybody that last day . NO EXCEPTIONS. 4 Times in johns Gospel he Jesus said he wd raise them up the last day . How cd he do that unless it was by his spirit that is poured out on everybody THE LAST DAY WHICH IS THE DAY WE ARE IN NOW. Just 70 yrs ago natural Israel became a nation again . Thus the Israel of God cannot befar behind. Chris I,m gonna answer you just like PAUL ANSWERED SOME OF HIS PPL ......O VAIN MAN WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION OUR GOD...But 1 thing we know for sure.
If God applied the curse of Adam to everyman no exceptions then he wd have to apply the blood of Christ to every person that ever lived . Thats y the bible is telling us in Adam we all die but in CHRIST WE WILL ALL LIVE...Chris one thing you do not seem to understand is GOD IS NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS. He makes his rain and his precious sun shine to fall on everybody. When HE fed the multitutudes the 3 rd day he fed everybody, and did not cull not 1 single person simply b/c God is no respector of persons.
I take issue with your "seeds" teaching in your posts. You have a convoluted way of "cutting and pasting" words, phrases, and verses of Scripture to promote your own ideas about the Holy Spirit being birthed in us by a seed (sperm). Scripture does not support this. Scripture says that the Spirit dwells in us, but it does not say that the Holy Spirit is replicated in every believer. God does not generate new versions of Himself. He is eternally self-existent and cannot transmit His essence to any other being. He alone possesses this essence. He does not 'part" it out to other beings because He cannot because His essence is not made of parts that can be removed from Himself or "birthed". This is because He has no genesis. To say He is birthed in a believer is to say God can have a genesis, a start, or beginning. This goes against the truth that He is forever eternal.
Chris i appreciate you, lemme give ya my scriptures on the end times and the end of the world. Remember Jesus mentions sorrows which according to him is indicative of Child birth John 16 : 21 ...Sorry i am late in getting back
to you, as yesterday was Sunday and we had Company. The Sorrows are indicative of Child birth, the manchild
which is the H.G. is gonna rule all Nations.....Chris we are all gonna have a baby via the seeds of the sower the living words of God . John 12 : 5 She brought forth a man Child that is gonna rule ALL NATIONS...The Child is the real H.G.
The Child of Promise and its this Child that is the Kingdom as he said unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you
You will in no wise enter there in
Thats y he mentions the babes and the suckling Thats the Children of the Kingdom that are gonna be born in us .
When he was yet on the Cross he was calling for Elijah to come and turn the hearts of the Fathers to the Children, his Children ( SPIRITS) THE H.G. The lil ones , Smite the sheppard and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand
to the LIL ONES ,The babes and sucklings. Chris plz think on this Isaiah 9 : 6 When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he said unto US a Child is born ,Unto us a son is given
Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man...Mankind is gona birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE And he is gonna rule ALL NATIONS. GBU Chris
Alex, the "liberty" you take in interweaving your particular mindset with Scripture is very concerning. I find it to be misusing Scripture. The Holy Spirit does not come into being in us. He as always existed wit the Father and the Son for all eternity. What is birthed in us is new spiritual life that is initiated by the hearing and reception of the gospel by of the Holy Spirit. He then comes to dwell in us through this new spiritual nature (that is holy and righteous). Most of the other things you have stated are garbled false teachings, in my opinion. Not meaning to be overly critical of you, but I know that there is really no end to false ideas that can be stirred up in someone's mind once they step away from sound teachings. It is spiritually dangerous to do this, so I warn you here, in love.
Hey G.M. Chris GBU The blood is transduced to the living word WHICH IS THE H.G. thats y he is saying you are made CLEAN by the Word i have spoken unto you, It was his blood that made us ALL clean, But Jesus says you are made clean by the Word I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU WHICH IS THE GOOD SEED THAT WILL FORM A BABY CHRIST IN US WHICH IS THE H.G......We cannot go back and recoup his blood from Calvary but WE NOW HEAR HIS WORDS, HIS VOICE, THE SEEDS OF THE SOWER THAT WILL FORM Christ in us that keeps us and leads us to all truth I.E. the contents of the book in the father's right hand is the New Covenant which are the WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE ,REMEMBER the words of life the book, As Jesus was the Word made flesh and Blood thus we are made clean by the WORD ( The seeds of the sower ) That is gona result in a birth of a baby Christ in us that Child of PROMISE ,Behold I SEND THE PROMISE of my FATHER UPON YOU Which was baptism of the H.G. that Jesus said wd guide us and abide with us forever..He does not leave us orphans after conversion to the Child Which is the H.G. The H.G is the Child that leads us to the mountain the Kingdom . Hebrews 12 : 22 ye are now come to mount Zion that heavenly JERUSALEM, the city of the living God etc.
Your partly right you misunderstood the concept of the blood. The blood of Jesus was shed on calvary for the remissions of sin. If the blood was applied to every man / woman, every man /woman would have to be saved and be forgiven of their sins. But man / woman must first ask for forgiven of that man's sins before the blood can be applied to that man or woman's life. The blood is only applied to a woman's or a man's life if that man or that woman asked Jesus for forgiveness of his / her sins.
God Bless
stay prayed up and ready to go up
cowboy
I think you are still misunderstanding the concept: God tugs on the heart or calls us we listen and except God are we turn a death ear to God. If we except the tug or the call from God than the blood is applied to our life our sins are forgiven. But this is where the freewill comes in if we turn a death ear to God than God leaves us in our sins and at judgement, we will receive our reward good or bad, Heaven are Hell. God said in Genesis 6:3 My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: this is the reason for our freewill to except God or to deny God. If we deny God than the blood can not be applied to our life. But if we except God than the blood can be applied to our life. Matthew 7:6 tells us not to give what is holy to the dogs, now in saying that do you think God is going to do that which he told us not to do and do you think God is going to cast his precious blood before swine. Just saying.
God Bless
stay prayed up and ready to go up
cowboy
God says, You don't CHOSE me, I CHOSE YOU.
You don't contribute one single thing to your salvation.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also obtain an inheritance, being predestinated according to the PURPOSE of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.
Philippians 1:29 For unto you IT IS GIVEN on the behalf of Christ, to BELIEVE ON HIM .....
1 Peter 1:21 Who BY HIM do BELIEVE in God .....
Salvation is a GIFT of GOD, through GRACE and MERCY.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my spirit within you, and (I WILL) CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my commandments and DO THEM.
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that worketh in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
You do nothing, it's all the WORK OF GOD.
And they will say unto me in that day, LORD DID WE NOT DO, and he will say depart you workers of iniquity.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh and keeps MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give POWER OVER the nations.
God Bless YOU.
The old was a shadow of the new.
In the OLD the blood was applied to the house and death PASSED over.
In the NEW Christ's blood was applied to the house and death PASSED over.
You will either be in the first resurrection TO LIFE, never seeing death or:
You will see death and latter be resurrected to life, to be judged.
Either way DEATH was DESTROYED by Christ's resurrection.
All is the WORKS OF GOD, man INHERITS God's works.
Revelations 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Psalms 25:13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and HIS SEED shall INHERIT the earth.
God bless You.
You misunderstand the passage Jesus did not destroy death it is still hear. when Jesus was in the center of the Earth for three days as Jonah was in the belly of the whale Jesus came out of hell victoriously with the keys to death, hell, and the grave. The reason Jesus went to hell was to get the keys to death, hell, and the grave. Jesus took the keys away from Satan. Before there was no way to get by hell except God take them from the Earth or God buried them his self like God did Moses. Because Satan held the keys to death, hell and the grave. Praise the Lord we do not have to face hell we are free as long as we are saved by grace and under the blood that Jesus shed on calvary.
God Bless
stay prayed up and ready to go up
cowboy
If you are in the First RESURRECTION you will NEVER see death, death has been destroyed.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE anymore........being the children of resurrection.
John 6:50 .... that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.
John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me SHALL NEVER DIE ....
Matthew 16:28 There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death .....
John 8:51 .....if a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION....and shall reign with Christ a thousand years.
The WAGES of SIN is DEATH.
Since Adam, man has been separated from God by DEATH, Christ defeated death with his resurrection.
He calling out a PRIESTHOOD, NOW to judge the dead, at their resurrection, and bring the KNOWLEDGE of the gospel to the billions now in the grave.
Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
God Bless You
But what you're stating, is the opposite: that Christ's Blood would be applied to everyone regardless of their disposition to turn to the Cross for redemption. So the questions that arise are: what happened to Romans 10:9; Acts 16:31; etc., where belief was necessary for Christ's Blood to have efficacy on a sinner's heart? How can the unbeliever possibly be saved if he doesn't believe?
If Christ's Blood still avails for all men even after their death, does that not mock the essence of the Gospel requiring man to call upon the Lord now in repentance & contrition of spirit?
If Christ's Blood will save all, why should the Gospel be preached, why should lives be changed, why should the Spirit come to indwell the believer, why should we live holy lives, if in the end everyone is forgiven & accepted? It's all been a waste of time.
Be very careful with what appears to be a belief in the doctrine of Universal Salvation or Universal Reconciliation. It started in the early centuries after the Church was formed & it always had a following because of the great appeal that God's Love was so great that it would be impossible for Him to consign anyone to eternal torment. This can give a person a very nice feeling of security, but Hell's mouth remains open to welcome the gullible & deceived.
I perceive that you've missed out on the fact of personal conviction & response. Maybe you believe that is not required & that Jesus' Sacrifice was only a matter between Him & the Father & involves no human action & response to it. Since you didn't answer my questions on "why should the Gospel be preached, why should lives be changed, why should the Spirit come to indwell the believer, why should we live holy lives, if in the end everyone is forgiven & accepted?", maybe you have no answer. I would be interested how you would answer them in the light of what you have written.
Maybe we could also use the parable in Matthew 13:24-30, which doesn't speak of the Gospel preached but of the end result of those who were of the good seed of God & of the evil seed of the enemy - one is saved, the other burned. I couldn't envisage that parable being amended at verse 30 to read, 'gather the tares & wheat into My barn as they are both My creation, therefore I will change the tares to become My wheat'. Sorry for this absurdity, but to demonstrate a point.
You wrote, "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature". Using (your) parable, the Gospel must go out so that all who come will get the same wages of eternal life & a kingdom. True, but what about those who don't come (as maybe those who refused the 'goodman's' offer)? You would say, that even those will 'receive a penny'. If Christ taught that, I might have reason to believe what you say, rather the wicked men & the tares of the field will not inherit life but certain judgement. The Gospel is preached to save men from Hell & have a new life in Christ their Saviour. If you take Hell out of the Gospel, you don't have the Gospel of Christ & of no compulsion to proclaim it.
the day of his coming, Who shall stand when he appears for he shall For he shall be as a REFINERS FIRE AND FULLERS
SOAP.....HELL IS WHAT WE NEED . Its simply his love for us but also his judgement its his baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE.
Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire as our God is a consuming fire. That is gonna consume our old
Adamic nature . Remember the Red Heifer had to be burnt to ashes at the door of the tabernacle which is our old evil
Adamic nature . His fire is the H.G HIS LOVE FOR US BUT ALSO HIS JUDGEMENT AND THATS WHAT WE NEED..Chris
there is not 1 person who is too good to go thru that baptism of fire which is the lake of fire another Jordan. Baptism
of the H.G. and FIRE. And even death is gona be cast into the lake of fire. Even in the natural we chastise our children
b/c we love them ,But hell the lake of fire is something we embrace , its what we need to cleanse us . I know that the
scripture says that hell is gonna be cast into the lake of fire ,But hell has another definition as death, its death ( hell )
that is gonna be cast into the lake of fire as our God is a consuming fire as the Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus has made us
free from that law of sin and death ....As MAL. 3 : 2 SAYS WHO SHALL ABIDE THE DAY OF HIS COMING, WHO SHALL
STAND WHEN HE APPEARS FOR HE SHALL BE AS A REFINERS FIRE AND FULLERS SOAP Hell is our cleanser spritually.
the law of sin and death
The red heifer sacrifice ( Numbers 19:1-10) was burnt far away from the Tabernacle & only its blood was sprinkled on the door of the Tabernacle, the carcass burned & its ashes stored separately & used for purification purposes. This was only a special sacrifice & has nothing to do with destruction of "our old evil nature". Even as Jesus was crucified & "suffered without the gate", his death meant that we would be saved from the awful penalty for sin & our "old Adamic nature" will always be with us & not consumed, until the day our redemption is completed.
As for the Lake of Fire, we read in Revelation 20:10-15, that the Devil was cast into the Lake of Fire & brimstone, where the beast & false prophet are & will receive eternal torment. You seem to equate the 'baptism of fire' with the 'Lake of Fire'. Not so. This a physical place of torment for the Evil one & his disciples, whoever was not found written in Book of Life. If, as you believe, that all sinners (even Christ-rejecters) will one day be saved, then who are those who join Satan in that awful place? Unless, you believe that Satan must also receive forgiveness.
Your reading & understanding of the Scriptures takes an entirely different route to most people's, even the well-studied, & creates such a wide separation where our paths can never intersect. There is very little common ground on which we can base any further discussion. Thank you for your time Alex.
be as scarlet they shall be white as snow . We all have a red heifer which is our hearts that is gonna
be burnt at the door of our HEARTS ( HIS BAPTISM OF FIRE ) MAL. 3 : 2 is not about old Jerusalem
As Paul tells us that old Jerusalem is like Hagar and is in bondage with her Children ,Cast out the bondwoman
etc. Then you mentioned that Christ rejectors cannot be saved let me remind you that Paul was a Christ rejector.
We are all Christ rejectors as our carnal minds is the very enemy of God , But he has to make his ENEMY his
his footstool which is humanity. Don't you see Chris that if God can save a murderer like Paul he can save anybody
and everybody. Remember he told the pharisees the harlot and and the whoremongers will go into the Kingdom
of God before you. Thus everybody is gona go into the Kingdom on the 3 rd day that last day, Joseph was a type
of Christ and on the 3 rd day he forgave ALL his brethren and brought them into the Kingdom and presented them
to Pharoah. Chris you do greatly underestimate the power of the BLOOD But Gbu.
because who are you to say you can Go against the LAWS SET UP BY GOD. It wasn't because Saul absolutely
did not believe. There are many who absolutely do not believe period and have heard he good news and will
not believe! You are blind if you don't get that! IT IS WRITTEN I.E. ROTTEN TO THE CORE NIMROD GREAT
EXAMPLE
We need the blood of the lamb . Paul didn't need tweeking, he needed a new heart and a new SPIRIT THAT NEW Creature which is the Child of PROMISE a new innerman. NEITHER CIRCUMCISION NOR UNCIRCUMCISION but a new Creature is the only thing that pleases God. Paul said he was the Chiefest of sinners like we ALL ARE ACCORDING TO OUR FLESH. In our flesh dwells no good thing....We need that baptism of fire which is the H.G. THAT CHILD OF promise . Thats y Jesus said blessed are them that follow me in the Regeneration , When the sower will go forth to sow his seed in our hearts he will regenerate himself with his seed the word sown in our hearts . Thats y he calls himself the son of man, Mankind is gonna have a baby Christ which is the H.G The Child of PROMISE. Thats y we must be bornagain of again incorruptible seed which is the seed of Christ the living word That new covenant that he wrote with his own blood.
My Bible obviously reads differently to yours in respect to Malachi 3:1-4, or else, I don't spiritualize everything I read. Yes, there are lessons & types in the Old that must be carried over to the New, but many, many things are purely historical accounts for our learning & growth in faith & do not find fulfillment in the NT.
I did not say that Christ-rejectors cannot be saved, I said that "you believe, that all sinners (even Christ-rejecters) will one day be saved". A person may reject Christ & His Gospel now, but while there is breath in his body, that soul still has opportunity to repent & be saved, if he comes in faith. Your belief is that all people, even those who reject Christ now & into the next life, will yet be saved because that is how you understand the Gospel. You have it in your mind that all will be saved one day, which I believe goes against the message of the Gospel & its urgency to proclaim it. I ask again, if that is the case, why preach the Gospel - why should any man or woman be moved towards God now, if God is going to save everyone in the end? "If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" 1 Peter 4:18.
But what he spoke was a huge temptation for Jesus. It is HARD to die for mankind before the Cross and after the Cross.
I'm weak and human. I would've cried rather than rejoiced that Jesus was going to destroy the Devils stolen power, FOREVER. It's just part of humanity we deal with every day.
I kick myself in the head when I see people merrily on the way to hell without a care.
If The Lord had not allowed me to see hell, as in Isaiah 14:11. I saw twisted limbs like roots, and the worms moving. I heard many screaming voices. I fell off the chair I was standing on__I thought, into that scene!! When I hit the floor, it was gone. I was delivered from demons by the Lord. When I woke up the next morning, the Holy Spirit was in me. He helped me clean my home of all occult material.
I had to convince my drunken disco buddies I no longer would be going with them. I lost ALL of my friends, for Jesus.
It's true. If you don't seriously start garnishing your "house" (your inner man, your new spirit that is alive to God now) WITH THE SCRIPTURES OF LIFE, the demons will come back to torment you. I went through more deliverance by the Holy Spirit.
We cannot put ANY KIND OF SPIN on the scriptures. If HE cannot trust us to carry the Anointing with reverence, it will be diminished (in my experience).There is no worse feeling of silence and aloneness. You know, that you know, what's missing. It is the Holy Spirit. He is worth more than anything we once thought precious. I had to get honest, real honest, that I could not manage really personal relationships and my new life in evangelism. I let it go and embraced celibacy. It was the right thing. Don't ever risk the loss of the Anointing. Don't allow antichrist spirits to tempt you over scripture. The rewards are awesome. Greater is He
Mishael
Please re-read it. If the Church must face scrutiny, whether by God, Church leaders, & by ourselves for our Christian walk, what then is the judgement of God going to be like for those who refuse the Gospel? Then v18: so if the righteous ones are scarcely saved (i.e. we can only be cast upon the Lord for His mercies & receive His one & only Gift of His Son, having absolutely NO OTHER avenue to approach Him), what happens to the ungodly & sinner, who might even attempt by his own methods of getting to God?
Even the religious persons have no hope. Even those who dedicate their lives to serving/sacrificing to humanity have no hope. Only those made righteous by that powerful, yet dividing Gospel of God, coming on that narrow road that is hard to traverse on, will find salvation, rest & peace for their souls. If you read that passage as, "it's just telling us that the blood of the lamb is gona make everybody righteous in the end", then you will be in the minority who read it like that. Your belief is that all will be accepted by God to the very end, & to achieve that, all Scriptures have to be reinterpreted & conform. The Word of God is not given to us to mangle as we wish, but to know God's Mind & Heart towards His creation - that His offer of Love is given to all (the Gospel), but not all will want that love.
Since you've not written about the need for the Gospel to be preached now & the requirement of faith to believe & be accepted by God, I must assume (& I hope falsely), that your understanding of that too is contrary to what is given in the Word. Again I ask, if all are to be saved, what is the need for the Gospel & for all men to hear it & express faith?
hired the last day.) But Chris Jesus wd not teach us to forgive US ALL our debtors if he himself didn't forgive all his debtors the last day....Remember Simon and Mary when they had nothin to pay he frankly forgive then both ,The 1 who owed 50 and the 1 who owed 500, he frankly forgave then both. Thus he will forgive all his debtors. If he forgave Paul
a murderer no doubt he will forgive everybody and anybody. But the question you ask seem to imply we are all our own
but we are not our own we are all bought with a price.
This belief of yours, I would say, is typical of how you interpret Scripture. In John's Gospel, this phrase appears in John 6:39,40,44,54 (I believe these are the verses you refer to). You've obviously read them but since you want to believe that all will be raised to live forever with the Lord (in that coming day), that these verses apply to everyone. But did you not read also: "all which he hath GIVEN ME I should lose nothing"; "that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH ON HIM"; "the Father which hath sent me DRAW HIM"; "WHOSO EATETH MY FLESH, AND DRINKETH MY BLOOD". What is the thought in those portions? Are you unable to see the common thread running through the verses, that Jesus was speaking about those who are found IN CHRIST (those GIVEN, those who BELIEVE, those being DRAWN by God, those who partake in the merits of Christ's Sacrifice). None of these Truths can ever be applied to the sinful, unbelieving, ungodly of this world nor of the world to come.
As far as I can recall, you never speak of having faith when coming to Christ & to be justified by God ( Ephesians 2:8: God's grace plus our faith = salvation). I wonder why that is. Maybe, it would negate your belief that all people will eventually be saved, because faith in Christ's redemptive work can only apply now, or else it's no longer 'faith'. Also, you don't write about Satan & his evil spirits also getting redeemed & enjoying holiness of life - after all you will quote verses such as Revelation 5:13 which should support your belief. Alex, please read & understand the Scriptures as given ("rightly dividing the Word"), & not try to re-write the Holy Bible.
Chris he does not leave us orphans, He talks with us and walks with us, We are his workmanship , And there is a relationship with him . But when the Book is opened thats when they sang a new song meaning the mediation of the new covenant .
And thats when he will pour out his spirit on all flesh as Joel said..ALL FLESH THATs EVERYBODY. Thus there will be no more seas of HUMANITY that has NOT been washed in his blood....Just as he applied the curse of Adam to everybody the 1st day. NO EXCEPTIONS The blood of Christ will be poured out on everybody that last day . NO EXCEPTIONS. 4 Times in johns Gospel he Jesus said he wd raise them up the last day . How cd he do that unless it was by his spirit that is poured out on everybody THE LAST DAY WHICH IS THE DAY WE ARE IN NOW. Just 70 yrs ago natural Israel became a nation again . Thus the Israel of God cannot befar behind. Chris I,m gonna answer you just like PAUL ANSWERED SOME OF HIS PPL ......O VAIN MAN WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION OUR GOD...But 1 thing we know for sure.
If God applied the curse of Adam to everyman no exceptions then he wd have to apply the blood of Christ to every person that ever lived . Thats y the bible is telling us in Adam we all die but in CHRIST WE WILL ALL LIVE...Chris one thing you do not seem to understand is GOD IS NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS. He makes his rain and his precious sun shine to fall on everybody. When HE fed the multitutudes the 3 rd day he fed everybody, and did not cull not 1 single person simply b/c God is no respector of persons.
I take issue with your "seeds" teaching in your posts. You have a convoluted way of "cutting and pasting" words, phrases, and verses of Scripture to promote your own ideas about the Holy Spirit being birthed in us by a seed (sperm). Scripture does not support this. Scripture says that the Spirit dwells in us, but it does not say that the Holy Spirit is replicated in every believer. God does not generate new versions of Himself. He is eternally self-existent and cannot transmit His essence to any other being. He alone possesses this essence. He does not 'part" it out to other beings because He cannot because His essence is not made of parts that can be removed from Himself or "birthed". This is because He has no genesis. To say He is birthed in a believer is to say God can have a genesis, a start, or beginning. This goes against the truth that He is forever eternal.
to you, as yesterday was Sunday and we had Company. The Sorrows are indicative of Child birth, the manchild
which is the H.G. is gonna rule all Nations.....Chris we are all gonna have a baby via the seeds of the sower the living words of God . John 12 : 5 She brought forth a man Child that is gonna rule ALL NATIONS...The Child is the real H.G.
The Child of Promise and its this Child that is the Kingdom as he said unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you
You will in no wise enter there in
Thats y he mentions the babes and the suckling Thats the Children of the Kingdom that are gonna be born in us .
When he was yet on the Cross he was calling for Elijah to come and turn the hearts of the Fathers to the Children, his Children ( SPIRITS) THE H.G. The lil ones , Smite the sheppard and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand
to the LIL ONES ,The babes and sucklings. Chris plz think on this Isaiah 9 : 6 When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he said unto US a Child is born ,Unto us a son is given
Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man...Mankind is gona birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE And he is gonna rule ALL NATIONS. GBU Chris
Glorification is multiplication as the glory of the father are his Children via his seed. When Jesus said that which is born
of the spirit is spirit thats the H.G tHE CHILD OF Promise that is gonna be born in us via his seed or his breath which is his words his seeds. Thus
its Christ that is the Father of the H.G. When he breath on them he was propagating very God in them with his seed.
Thats y he said b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds ) sorrows have filled your hearts impling a spritual pregnancy.
But the Child which is the H.G. was not born in them till pentecost some 50 days later. That mighty rushing wind was th
H.G. THE CHILD OF Promise.The multiplication of Christ in humanity. That great Promise was I will multiply thy seed as
the Stars of heaven ok lemme go maybe more tomorrow. gbu
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