Bible Discussion Thread

Satan who deceives the WHOLE WORLD

EVERYONE starts out as a god of this world, were are being CREATED a NEW MAN, a god of the WORLD TO COME.

The god of this world (Satan). We start out as the children of Satan ( John 8:44):

We END as children of GOD

We begin as the image of the beast (Satan)( Revelation 13:14-15)

We END the image of God

2 Corinthians 11:14 An no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers (gods of THIS WORLD) also be transformed TO MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (gods of the WORLD TO COME)......

Romans 12:2 And be ye not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed be THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND ...

I disagree with your ideology scripturally that everyone is born a child of the devil because to be born that way which is to say when born they were born both of flesh and blood and spiritually evil. Then a spiritual rebirth is logically impossible, now it is written we were dead in trespasses and sins and were by nature children of wrath but it does not say everyone is born a child of the devil. Also John 8:41-44 Jesus Christ knew spiritually who there spiritual Father was, which is why He said you will die in your sin, if there spiritual father is the devil that cannot be reversed. In the old testament they were known as men of Belial or worthless men, these men despised men of God and all that represented God andwere absolutely wicked. Nimrod was this kind of man.

Brother Rick, creation was not made spiritually evil, thy were made without KNOWLEDGE.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 ...also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

They had to eat of the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE (of good and evil). And God said, Behold, thy have become like one of us, they must have KNOWLEDGE (of good and evil) to be like God. God made sure they would eat of the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE by making creation subject to vanity.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was MADE subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason (PURPOSE) of him who hath subjected the same in hope.

Hi Earl There's no profit in me going any further God Bless.

Hi Rick , I understand your feeling on this but for me , we are all born of the flesh , sinful flesh , until we are born again of the Spirit , which happens when we learn of and accept Christ as our Sinless Redeemer . We start off as sinful flesh , once we accept Christ and are born again of the Spirit of Truth our sinfullness is covered , blotted out , by Christ and what he has done for us . Hope I have explained my thoughts clearly , much love in Christ .

Hi english Sacha You are correct we ever since adam and eves downfall we are born of sinful flesh, that was not the context of this comment the context was that we all are born children of the devil or satan that is spiritual and not true. Has nothing to do with flesh and blood, just as there are those of us who confess Jesus christ as lord and saviour, there are people genuinely who confess satan or the devil as lord and become his children spiritually. Again these are known old testament as men of belial or worthless men or wicked men. Some may disagree and that's there privilege. Again in John 8:44 its pretty point blank ye are of your father the devil and the lust of your father ye will do. Remember there are two kingdoms the natural and spiritual, we truly do not wrestle against flesh and blood. Now to be clear that is not saying that all who worship satan fall into that category, that's a different situation.

Earl, It is my understanding that the Scripture states clearly that each person is mad in the image of God, not Satan. That said. I rally do not think that it will be fruitful if we go back and forth on this subject. I stand by what I have stated and think that I has said enough on this subject for now. I am very cognizant of the "many eyes" on this site, and I hope to help anyone who may be helped by what I say in a post as I think you wish, as well.