Bible Discussion Thread

i want to know more about saints equal with God

NO ONE,.. is equal to GOD ,.. we are children of our Father,.. An we respect the trinity, Father , Son & Holy Sprit ,.. an of course the Temple Mount ,.. the rock to which, God will place his eternal temple

Brother Glenn, you are right, in this flesh NO ONE is equal to God; but when we depart this flesh the ONLY thing that remains is SPIRIT.

John 4:14 God is Spirit.....

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT ....

Christ died for us; WE (ourselves, flesh) have to die (be destroyed) for Christ (Spirit).

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, and the POWER of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one (flesh) unto Satan for the DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the SPIRIT MIGHT BE SAVED in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Isaiah 9:20 An he (flesh) shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he (flesh) shall eat on the left hand, and they (flesh) shall not be satisfied: they (flesh) shall eat every man the flesh of their own right hand.

Isaiah 49:26 And I (Spirit) will feed them with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and ALL FLESH shall know that I the Lord (Spirit) am thy SAVIOUR and thy REDEEMER, the mighty one of Jacob.

Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his on flesh.

2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the ABUNDANCE OF the REVELATIONS, there was given me a THORN IN THE FLESH, (which is) the messenger of Satan (flesh) to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.

Saints equal with God?

I am curious to know where you encountered this concept.

To be equal with God we must first judge God's value and merit.



One quick response is that the Jews sought to stone Jesus when they perceived His claim of equality with God, as in John 5:18.

Also look at

I John 3:20 - God is greater than our hearts

Psalm 61:2 - God is higher than us

Psalm 89:27 - God will make Christ higher than the kings of the Earth

Ecclesiastes 5:8 - God is higher than the highest



If you will know them by their fruits, let's look to our ways;

Isaiah 55:9 - God's ways are infinitely higher than ours

Job 15:6 - We are unclean

Isaiah 64:6 - NOTHING we do could measure up to God's righteousness

That is a very big and significant thing to say, to claim anyone as an equal with God.

As a comparison, there is one very heretical sect which believes we will judge God.

Clearly, just based upon the references I have listed, their claim is not the least bit credible.

Such statements cannot stand of their own merit nor of that of their speaker.

Equality with God or standing in judgment of God would be enormous claims requiring substance to back them up.

Big claims are either big truths or big falsehoods. Not everyone can determine the difference.

You may or may not be a great theologian or an academic authority.

Even such titles wouldn't be enough for a common joe like me.

Being that this is a Biblical site, answers of that magnitude carry credibility only when they are backed by Scriptural reference.

Otherwise;

If I wanted to debate you, it would be difficult because I don't see here where your basis is or how to clarify a dissent.

If I wanted to agree with you, well, again, your basis is not shown, so I would be at some degree of loss in composing a reply.

On any subject, but especially such a profound claim, let authority be Sola Scriptura and let Scripture interpret Scripture.

Bob I don't get it either and am not going to try. God Bless

Vernard, when Christ (the SPIRIT) has COMPLETED his WORK in us we will be equal to God (SPIRIT). NOT being God the Father or Christ the Lord; but equal in all that they are. The SAME AND EQUAL in love, mercy, truth, wisdom, understanding, judgement; everything they are, we WILL BE.

The Saints are going to JUDGE the world with Christ; how can they judge righteous judgements without being EXACTLY like Christ in all attributes. We will be gods in respect to being EQUAL in all ways; But not Being God the Father or Christ the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God GIVETH it (the SEED) a body as it hath pleased him, and to every SEED his (CHRIST) own body.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who ONLY hath immortality (LIFE without end), Dwelling in the light which not man can approach unto (without HIM), whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Amen Bro. Earl Bowman i enjoy reading your post. We gotta keep the new birth in mind from that heavenly Seed . which is a Hint that we are gona birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. GOD The CHILD OF Promise ,unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in. In both case Psalms 82 and Matthew 13 he is saying something to us that is gonna result in a birth making us Gods. His words ( conversation ) are gonna initiate a BIRTH OF Christ in us which is the H.G. THE Child of Promise and the H.G is truly God. ( Emamuel ) God with us. I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest which is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in us. Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name Receiveth me . The very fact that Jesus tells us the Kingdom of God is gonna be with in US Proves we are gonna be Gods . The Kingdom of God in all its GLORY IS NOTHIN LESS THEN GOD. PERIOD. The Marriage supper of the Lamb is gonna gonna make us 1 with our God which is the H.G. Emanuel God with us.

Amen and Amen, Brother Alex.

Earl we are going to judge the world at the end with Christ in a resurrected body, not our current bodies, with all due respect there's a few things pulled out of context of usage. That being said it's your privilege to believe what you choose. God Bless

Sister dianne, nothing is out of context. i quoted 1 timothy 5:16 and 1 corinthians 15:38. that is the resurrected body.

1 timothy 6:16 who (christ) only hath immortality (life with no end).....

1 corinthians 15:38 but god giveth it (the elect) a body.....and to every (elect) his (christ) own body.

you are the body of christ.

he is the resurrection.

Earl with all due respect we will never be equal with God, we have his spirit now which is perfect but we still have corrupt bodies, we will not be made perfect until we are resurrected from then this mortal will put on immortality if that's what you are saying okee dokee. If not that's okay its your privilege. God Bless

Hi Vernard The word saint in the church epistles is the word hagios which means holy seperate or set apart, it applies to primarily to people who God set apart spiritually, in all the church epistles in the first few verses you will notice called to be saints or to the saints it applies to us who God has separated from the darkness of this world Believing Romans 10:9+10 born again. In regards to equal with God have no idea where that's coming from. God Bless

Sister Dianne:

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was ALSO IN Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God.

Romans 8:7 But the carnal mind is enmity against God .....

1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that we may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Earl I do understand your scripture but you are saying that when we get born again we instantly think like Christ then why do we still sin, because if we had perfect spiritual minds we would have perfect spiritual thoughts and walk by the spirit perfectly, then why does it say in Romans 12:2 Renew your mind, also your Right it says let this mind be in you it doesn't say it's instant, also 2 Corinthians 10:5 bring every thought to the obedience of Christ. The apostle Paul wrote about it in Romans 7:15-23 in verse 23 he says warring against the law of my mind. There's an old saying ideas capture men not weapons. Our weapon is the word retained in our minds which is developed as we walk on the word the spirit is perfect.We still battle with the old man nature or human reasoning it must be brought to obedience by us putting on the Love of God in Christ. If this is what your saying. okay God Bless

Dianne it should be noted that in Romans 7 Paul's mind in conflict with his flesh is before he is converted. If you are inclined to think otherwise I would advise you to consider the opposite side of the position to the one you have taken, there is plenty of this to be found on the web.

Crossroman I'll finish with this the epistle or letter was written to the Church of God to which Jesus Christ gave the revelation Galatians 1:11+12 or information at to what was given through whom and all other details From Romans through Thessalonians written to Church of God born again believers. What he's discussing is the battle that is constant between the natural man 5 senses and the spiritual man we got when we were born again. He was born again when he was given the revelation because revelation is information you cannot know by your five senses 1 Corinthians 2:10-14 if I've discussed this before i apologise, don't know if things get through sometimes forgive me. God Bless

Crossroman Another item to consider if our only rule of faith and practice is Gods Word if I go to websites now I have a diverse amount of ideas as to what others thought it meant. Why can't I just stick to 2 Peter 1:21 and 2 Timothy 3:16 to see what God meant instead of what man thinks. Trust me in this what we're discussing there's more than one school of thought. God Bless

Crossroman That is impossible because it was written to the Church of God after he was born again and he was given the information to give to believers to explain the battle that goes on is between walking by the five senses and walking by the spirit.

Sister Dianne, I didn't say it was instant. Being sanctified by the words of God take our physical lifetime; but we can know TRUTH NOW of what is to come.

Earl In your one commentary about having the mind of Christ you never mentioned about renewed mind or we have to put on the word to do that, important little detail. That is not something to be assumed Other wise I agree with what you say. God Bless

Sister Dianne, thank you, I do agree we have to have our mind renewed by the word of God. I agree it is a life long process, also.

Earl brother but that's the way it appears so if that's not what was meant its all good. God Bless

Earl Thank you because that is the way it appeared so its all good. God Bless

Hello, who told you there was such a thing and did you assume that was true?

Earl with all due respect we will never be equal with God, we have his spirit now which is perfect but we still have corrupt bodies, we will not be made perfect until we are resurrected from then this mortal will put on immortality if that's what you are saying okee dokee. I God Bless Don't get me wrong you never said in a resurrected body that changes everything God Bless