Bible Discussion Thread

My brother, please reconsider your views on this. Jesus is our role model. We must study the life of Christ and how he walked this earth. Jesus taught us that we must love as he did. Pray as he did. Help as he did. Jesus himself was baptized Matthew 3:16 - Matt 20:22&23. As you mentioned, we must believe Jesus is the way. You must also understand that Baptism is necessary for the Christian that once you believe on Jesus and accept him, baptism is a symbolic act of you dying to the world(self)of sin, and resurrecting in the new life of Jesus. 2 Corinth 5:17 Says if you are in Christ you are a new creature. Baptism symbolizes that newness. Grace gives you a right to salvation, have to earn it.

I think you're confusing our Christian walk with Salvation. like I said to Waunda: " Baptism, AFTER we are saved, is good, and if if you can be baptized then go ahead. But NOT to be saved.".So I'm not saying don't be Baptised. I'm saying you don't have to be baptized, to be saved. You said it was a requirement for Salvation. That's a problem. And on top of that, you said you have to earn it (Salvation) another problem. Because Salvation is the GIFT of God and that not of ourselves (See Ephesians 2:8-9). And let me emphasize John 3:36 again: He that believeth on the Son HATH everlasting life. Meaning the moment you believe you HAVE it. You don't earn it. That's works Salvation.

Hi Benji, I'd like to challenge your OSAS belief with what Jesus himself said in John 14:15. Do you think Jesus was being bad and legalistic by saying to keep his commandments? If a Christian is already saved and doesn't have to keep his commandments then what incentive is there to? Is there any negative consequence whatsoever if a Christian mass murders people or worships satan or does any number of despicable things? If you claim he's not a real Christian, no, he is. I know people who are 100% absolutely Christians and some turn to denounce Jesus and do horrible things. They were Christians. If all you do is believe to be saved, do you believe Hitler and most people on earth are saved?