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  • Emily abrams on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    can you explain matthew 24:20
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hello Michael,

    I have been reading all your comments you have been posting here about "tongues". I see you are picking Scriptures and portraying them to be "only" about speaking in unknown tongues of the Holy Ghost. Like Isaiah 33:19. It says "Thou shalt NOT see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand". The word "stammering" here is the Hebrew word "la ag" Strongs number H3932. Meaning "to deride or speak unintelligibly" or "to mock or ridicule". This is not speaking of the "tongues" of the Holy Ghost.

    I don't want to argue with you Michael. If you want to believe that "only" those who can speak in an unknown "tongue" has received the Holy Ghost that is your belief. Like I stated before. To me with my experiences and understanding this is false. I was lead to reply to you.

    I'll end with one question. The numerous times through the Gospels our Lord Jesus Christ prayed to the Father, as the very in depth prayer in John 17. Do you believe our Lord was not praying to our Father in the Holy Ghost because it was not in an unknown tongue?

    Thank you for your answer. Again I don't want to quarrel. Especially with another believer in Christ so this will be my last statement on this subject.

    Have a wonderful day. God Bless.
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hello Richard

    I agree with the Word Of God and whats written ...

    Every word that proceeds from the mouth of God Jesus said...
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hello Chris The Word Of God also says not TO TEMP THE LORD YOUR GOD ....

    Any thing you do deliverately God cannot protect you ..

    If you know a snake is dangerous and you pick it up to prove a point your in trouble ..

    Many use verse and scripture in the wrong context not discerning spiritual with spritual things ....any deadly thing can be seen this way a posionous snake can be they way a person speaks ...or how you hear....or what you see and assume the opposite as to what you should know about what you see .....Thats why the Word of God says ( LET NOT YOUR GOOD BE EVIL SPOKEN OFF ) ....
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    If jesus said he is the same today yesterday and forever what does that mean to you regarding the whole bible in general ....
  • Michael Perez - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hello Richard

    if you had read what I have being replying to Spencer with you would of notice I like to use scripture because

    Jesus said every word that proceeds from the mouth of God and the Word of God also says if another angel brings another gospel let him be accursed..

    I particularly use scripture for one reason its God you answer to not me .the word also tells me not to add or takeaway from the word of God it can cost you eternal life..

    ACTS CHAPTER 2 Says ....

    And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in other tongues as the SPIRIT GAVE them the utterance..

    And spiritually anyone who speaks in tongues has their own tongue no one has the same...
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Michael,

    You seem to believe in your own doctrine in that only those who can speak in tongues have received the Holy Ghost. I am sorry to tell you this but you are wrong. Others have posted much Scripture on this that you seem to want to ignore. Nit picking verses like Mark 16 and thinking Jude 1:20 is the same as speaking in tongues. Seeming to have more zeal for different tongues than the teachings of Christ and the Word of God in the Holy Scriptures. God knows when we pray to Him no matter what, of the thousands, of languages it is in. God reads hearts not just an angelic tongue.

    . 2 Corinthians 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

    Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    God Bless those who have the gift of speaking in unknown tongues. Like I stated before I see no use for this gift and am not interested in asking for it. My Father and Lord Jesus Christ know when I am speaking/praying to them.

    I wish you well on your journey. God Bless.
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Spencer the verse where you mentioned you would get a translator is why when you receive the Holy Spirit you speak in tongues ..God translator .....
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hello Spencer

    When you pray in and unknown tonigue you are speaking to God not men and its not the natural man praying its the spirit of God the Holy Sprirt because it knows what God requires of us when we pray .Paul aslo explains that speaking to the natural man in tongues does not benefit them because they would not understand only God does ....and unless you have been in a pentecostal church that uses the sprirtual gifts rightly you will never understand how its used in the church.....Many pentecostal church never use the gifts because they have previeved ideas how its done ......
  • Earl Bowman on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Nina, May the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.



    Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

    (53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.

    Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.

    Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......

    This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.

    Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53

    Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).

    (40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

    Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,

    hearkening unto the voice of his word.

    Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Michael

    This conversation started on another thread between me and someone else, Our focus was on charity, I didn't then and don't now care to put a lot of energy to the everlasting tongues debate. It seems

    you used that opportunity to open up a dialog on the subject go right ahead,

    you don't need me to engage. All we did was quoted Paul on that initial thread. You seem to have a issue with Paul's writings. so why don't you explain the verses in your own words. 1 Corinthians 12:27-31. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

    And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

    Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

    But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

    1 Corinthians 13:8-10. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

    For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

    But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

    1 Corinthians 14:5. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

    1 Corinthians 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 1 Corinthians 14:7-12 (KJV) And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

    For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hello Spencer

    Do you understand why we pray in tongues be the spirit prays for our future to be with God ...

    Book of Jude verse 20 ...Tells us to pray always in the Holy Ghost building up our most Holy Faith says it all

    and all you do is want to explain speaking in tongues away ....

    Spencer from old to the new testament is a precept put in place by God ..Speaking in tongues confirms spiritually God has given you his Holy Spirit ....God says he gives th Holy Spirit only to htem that obey him ...and if you have not the Spirit Of God your none of his
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    That's not a question that one could easily answer as all judgement is executed by our great Judge only. And then again, how do you understand a 'backslider'? Is he/she given over to some repetitive sin(s), is now coming to the Lord for forgiveness, but still finds it hard to give up that sin? Or to the other extreme, has that person gone totally into a sinful lifestyle, has no remorse & in many ways, rejected God, & Christ's offer? So, what I'm saying here, has the 'backslider' ever 'slid forward' in the first place? Has he or she, ever been born again by God's Spirit? How these questions are answered may give you a clue as to the state of that soul, & yet there remains a place of repentance which the Lord offers to all in sin.
  • Beth on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Can a backslider still make heaven?
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hi Rusty,

    My condolence goes out to you, your wife and the family, We will keep them in our prayers. God bless you
  • Mary Cosby on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    What will you have with you always? It is in Proverbs I think
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hi Michael.

    I suppose I Would get an interpret who speaks Greek, ""since Greek is not considered an unknown tongue to a Greek. And the interpreter wouldn't have to have the holyspirit to relay the msg.

    Or I would go online and use a translator.

    However this couldn't be done in those days during Pentecost God did something special for the lost sheep of Israel who had been scattered and picked up other languages. Acts 2:4-11. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with ""other tongues"", as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

    Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

    And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

    "" Notice this next verse, the emphasis here is not on the speaking, it's on the hearing""" The gift to interpret.

    ((And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?))

    Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

    Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

    Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

    Michael today the Gospel is being taken to the world mostly by radio and some in person, Not in unknown tongues but in other tongues. ""Not by force, but in Charity. ( Love ).

    John 13:34-35. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    Covet the best Gift. ( Love) God bless.
  • Rusty Essary - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    My wife, Patsy and her sister, Teresa, lost their only brother Tuesday and they can use some prayers.

    Thank you:

    Rusty Essary
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    1CORINTHIANS 14 V 2 ..

    For he that speaketh in and unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him: howebeit in the sprirt he speaketh mysteries
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hello Spencer

    You have gone to great lengths to explain why you do not have to speak in tongues

    imagine this you speak in english and you go to greece and they say you have to speak in greek

    what do you say to the greeks...
  • Sacha on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hi everyone ,i havent been posting on here for long but ive been reading the comments on here for quite a while now ,i have asked some questions that no one has tried to answer ,im not sure why not ,do some people think that im deliberately asking contentious questions in order to be a pain ? Are some people nervous to answer because they worry their answer is wrong or that they will offend me ? I ask questions because i like my brain to be provoked , im genuinely interested in what people think and believe ,not just one person ,i would like lots of different anwers from different people ,i may not agree with your answer but it may provoke my brain into thinking differently or looking something up that i hadnt thought of before ,this helps me to learn ! I want to be provoked into working harder and reading my Bible and seeing things that i hadnt noticed before ,as long as we are always polite to each other its not a problem to dissagree if when we dissagree we help each other to grow in understanding and patience with each other .
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Hi Michael,

    When you want the attention of someone particular hit reply under their comment so you msg will alert their email. I'm traveling so I only browse the site for now. But I want to draw you attention to a Homely example created by you. You said you are doing a lot of rewriting because of misspelling a few words, I take That you feel it's very important for you to be clear, "Your Msg is important for the hearer, Wouldn't a msg from God to those he Loves and trust and sent should be delivered with understanding? What about these Msgs we relay and receive on paper how can they bless you without understanding?

    And Michael I believe those old testament references you gave speaks of the time of the Millennium. You seem to believe that worshipping. in truth and in spirit is all Vocal. """ How can you worship in truth vocally in an unknown tongue when you are noone knows what you are saying? What was your reason for messaging me? Was it because I said gifts doesn't confirm salvation, the best gift was Love its a fruit as well a gift and I said the scripture says you know them by their fruit? I have to get back on the road, I will msg you later. Thank you
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    This couple wanted to appear like the others who had sold much of their possessions & brought the full sale price of their lands & houses to the apostles, so that the money could be distributed to the poor amongst them.

    The sin of Ananias & Sapphira was not the amount that they gave to the apostles, but that they lied about how much they sold their possession for, by holding back a part of the sale price & keeping it for themselves. If they declared that they needed a part of the sale proceeds, that would have been fine, but they lied & misled the Church, wanting to appear as generous as the others. And we note, the speedy judgement meted out to them. I often wonder what would be the state of the Church today, if God were to judge us in such a manner - I would think that we would be very few in number.
  • Kathleen Kathy Morzeleel - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    What's wrong Rusty Essary? What can I pray for you for?
  • Me - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Revelation 21:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    Psalms 34:18 - The LORD [is] nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

    John 16:22 - And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

    Matthew 5:4 - Blessed [are] they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

    John 14:27-29 - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (Read More...)

    Isaiah 41:10 - Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

    2 Timothy 4:7 - I have fought a good fight, I have finished [my] course, I have kept the faith:

    Colossians 2:5 - For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

    Ecclesiastes 3:1-22 - To every [thing there is] a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: (Read More...)

    Psalms 147:3 - He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. (Read More...)

    Philippians 1:3 - I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,

    John 11:25 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

    Philippians 4:6-7 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. (Read More...)

    They are a great comfort
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    From old to new testament God says how he would speak to his people ....

    IASIAH 28:11 says...

    For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to his people ....

    ISAIAH 33:19 says...

    Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech that thou canst not perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand

    1 CORINTHIANS 14:14 says...

    For when i pray in and unknown tongue , my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful

    1CORINTHIANS 14:2 says..

    For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

    sPENCER I AM NOT BEING ALLOWED TO SEND YOU THESE SCRIPTUERS I HAVE TRIED 5 TIMES IF IT WORKS THIS TIME GOOD
  • Kathleen Kathy Morzeleel on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Can a woman who is pregnant be a maid? My maid is pregnant, and is 5 months along now. Should she? Please help me with decisions!
  • Lady on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Why did ananias and wife cheat Holyspirit ( Acts 5
  • Edna - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    Chris,

    Thank you so much for your thoughtful and thorough response! I'll make sure she gets your message.

    Thanks again,

    Aaron and Edna
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 4 years ago
    There is not much i can write regarding the unfilling of Gods Holy Spirit except their are only two Languages that exist ..( Tongues of Angels Heavenly ) and ( Tongues of men Earthy ) and if God is a spirit how do you worship God in the Spirit...


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