For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
If you are, please join me to pray and fast for the safety of Israel and the fullness of the Gentiles.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Grace and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Don i hear ya....But we have to realise that it wd make God Almighty a hypocrite if he only saved a few....When the stain and the spot of adam was applied to ALL MEN no exceptions....We get into Tulip mans carnal doctrine of Gd only saving a few...And the rest of humanity going to hell...I know that Jesus said few will be saved...But this is only for LIL WHILE it was hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto Babes and Sucklings....But our Lord said if i be belifted up I will draw all men unto me....This is what happened when carnal man tries to interpret the scriptures....We gotta realise that the greatest predestination Scripture is when God swore by himself that CHRIST wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven Genisis 22 : 17 kjv.
.....This Romans 8 : 29 is not about man being glorified but about Christ being predestinated and Glorified and man being a joint heir with Christ....Its Christ that is gonna be the 1st born of many brethren...If ya interpret Romans 8 : 29 as man being GLORIFIED and preordained you are in essence saying that satan is gonna be preordained....Thats how Tulip got started that only a few wd be saved and all the rest wd go to hell....In essence saying that Jesus wd only die for a few..In essence saying that God neva did love the whole world just a few which wd make God a respector of persons...This TULIP doctrine was the result of bible schools ( carnal teaching ) ... Zech 12 : 10 tells us that its Christ that is gona be the 1st born of many brethren.
.....Mankind can only be a Joint HEIR with Christ....Its only Christ and his seed that is gona be multiplied as the stars of heaven Gen 22 : 17 kjv...ALL of mankind carried the stain and the spot of adam which is our old adamic nature that HAS to go thru the baptism of fire and the H.G. As Jesus said every sinner has to have his part in the lake of fire...which is God as our God is a consuming fire that wants to consume mans Evil Adamic nature....Its only the babes n sucklings .
I have always wrestle with the area, as I do with " free will" . In my feeble mind these two concepts tend to oppose each other.
If God, all knowledgeable , all knowing, has predestined ones to be His faithful sons and daughters, then he has predestined others to " hell". Based on this, do we truly have " free will", at least in this area.
By the way, I seriously wrestle with this, and have for many years, it is such a cloudy area for me.
Hello Don. You asked, "has God preselected the ones who are to be saved through Christ?" I believe He has. But I don't believe that's the full story, because as you shared the reference Romans 8:29, those whom God has predestined were those He also foreknew.
If we then look at those aspects of God's Work in Romans 8:29,30, we see firstly, His Foreknowledge (a knowledge of all things past, present & future). Based on that knowledge, He predestined some to become His children (as His Son is & His adopted ones would be - Ephesians 1:5). Then God's Work upon us begins: those predestined are now called to come to Him/drawn to Him - John 6:44. Those whom He has called, God applied to them the outcome of the Cross, i.e. of Justification - the guilty declared not guilty by reason of substitutionary payment made on their behalf. And those so justified, have received glorification - in part now with the indwelling Holy Spirit (the "earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession" - our completed redemption & glorification fitted out for Heaven: Ephesians 1:14).
Then what part "does our faith in Christ Jesus do for us?" Those whom God has predestined, called, & justified, are those who would be blessed with the gift of Faith - Faith that is needed for God's Grace to do its mighty work ( Ephesians 2:8). What then is the Gift of God? It is both His Grace poured out upon us plus the Faith to apprehend it & fully rest in it. One might ask, 'Can such a person drawn of God resist Him?' I would reply with questions: 'Would God even draw one who wouldn't be saved? Would the one being drawn want to resist the Love of God in Christ & the Holy Spirit's Work of Conviction? And, even if barriers were set up by Satan to obstruct the passage of the sinner into eternal life, would not the God Who makes no mistakes, still bear upon the sinner that he might understand the Truth & find that his hope lay in Christ alone?' John 6:37-40 - none of His will be lost.
You would not believe that the Wisdom of Solomon is revealed to His saints as it is written:
THERE IS POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!
I prayed for wisdom and for those who truly have pure heart, will receive that wisdom, knowledge and understanding. I say that because when I read the Wisdom of Solomon, most of them are already imputed in my heart without knowing it. See Colossians verses below:
Trust, believe and have faith in what Jesus did on the cross. For the blood Jesus Christ shed is just like the OT Lamb without blemish sacrifices. Now He is that Lamb without sin and He already died for us ALL. Jesus Christ already won the Devil. He gave us a free gift: the gift of grace; the righteousness of faith; the grace of God.
Apostle Paul is the last Apostle God revealed what we Gentiles need to do ( the Book of Romans to Philemon).
Those who understand the mysteries of Christ/ God will walk in the Spirit of God.
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
You will know these people through the fruit of their spirit:
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance
Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Also make no mistake 1 Corinthians 13:2 ; Read verses 3-8; 13:
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Colossians 2:2
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Colossians 2:3
In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
The truth is, nothing can stop you from serving God but you. Romans 8:38,39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor
powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Just serve Him, Becky. Serve Him no matter what. Pray for deliverance from your situation. Trust and believe, and He will get you out of that situation.
Praise the Lord for his meeting with you and revealing to you your sins, and causing you to fly to Jesus for salvation!
It is a GREAT sign to me that you are hating your sin and want to be free of it. That is exactly what the Holy Spirit's work in us does...it makes us hate sin and desire to please God! HalleluJAH!
It seems that it's a matter for you to 'grow in grace' and to exercise your faith. It would be so easy if God would just do a miracle and take all of our sinful inclinations away but He, in His wisdom, doesn't work that way. Paul the apostle tells us we must 'work out our salvation with fear and trembling.' It is WORK to kill the flesh, the inner motions of sin, and to chose instead to walk in the Spirit.
It's vital that you take God at His Word, and do it, no matter if you feel like it or not Becky, or if you 'feel' anything at all, for that matter. We walk by faith. I'm going to leave a few Scriptures here for you to meditate on, believe, and put into practice! The prayers will continue!!
Here are the verses for you:
1 John 3:8-9 -He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Whoever has God's Spirit cannot live in habitual sin, because God will give him/her no rest until he/she obeys! :)
Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Please read, and read, and re-read Romans 8:1-14, Becky.
Hello Becky! Jesus wipes our slate clean when we are saved, but we become sinners saved by grace who need to continue to ask God to forgive us every time we sin--and we born again Christians will sin because it is our nature--we even commit sins unaware and must ask Him to forgive what we don't know we've done wrong. I used to not understand this and was driven by guilt for everything I did, which delutes the power of Jesus' Blood. What I didn't understand lay in this verse Matthew 5:48
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." I thought I had to be without sin. That's not what that verse means. It does mean for us not to commit deliberate sins like breaking the ten commandments and knowing to do good but doing it not. So you see, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." And 1John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Being remorseful for our sins is not enough. We must repent. Ever been walking down a sidewalk and decide to turn around a go the other way. That's repenting. We decide not to commit a certain sin ever again. You can quit smoking and all the rest. It's not easy, but you can do it by confessing, repenting, drawing close to Him, and cease fellowshipping with those unbelievers--not shunning them, for you should strive to be a witness to them in conduct and action.
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." And there is nothing that can keep you from serving him. Romans 8:38,39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
This is the Bible's interpretation of the parable: The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Romans 8 Tells us how to be delivered from the body of this death. Romans 7 is not someone that is led of the Spirit. Romans 8:13,14 sum up the two chapters For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8 is what it means to be born again, converted or transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Dear God, We ask You for divine order in the lives of Mrs. B's kids lives. And mine as well. We pray first and foremost for their salvation and Your will for their lives. You have plans for them and we ask that anything and anyone that hinders them would be removed. We ask You Father to order their steps. Please don't let them be alone. It's not good for a man (or woman) to be alone. Bring them spouses who will love You Father. So they can lead lives that glorify You. We pray it in Jesus name.
Help us & our children to love You
Romans 8:28
And put food in us so our steps can be ordered by You. psalms 37:23
I'm reminded of a conversation I had on my job some years Go. Those Men knew how I believed, and they spent all morning trying to get a ride out of me. Quoting Scriptures, they didn't understand and their Doctrine. I told someone today,, most Christians can tell you what they be!ieve, but they can't tell you WHY. They'll say, , This is what my Pastor Preaches and He Preaches Truth. Okay,, He just might,, that's good. But why do you believe it? My Father in Law, said so many times. " Don't believe it because I said it, study it, show yourself approved and know if for Yourself. " That's why we have so many People following so much mess today.
But that Crowd was coming at Me with everything but the kitchen sink, with their,, I'm allright, He's allright, She's allright, Everybody is a sinner, We all sin. This thinking, crowd just wants to sins, and they want a clean conscience while they do it.
And finally I said" Look it's around 12:00 ,and I haven't sinner yet. I'm not telling you I want need The Grace of God before the day is over. But I didn't get up this morning to see how much sin I could get by with, I got up trying not to sin.:And then I dropped this Bomb from The Holy Ghost: I said" I guess that's like my Brother in Law, He doesn't go to Church, pay his tithes, he is abusive to His Children. He drinks, smokes, does drugs fights everybody, cuss you out in a heartbeat, beats His Wife, He runs around on Her all the time. You know when He gets to Heaven He won't have any rewards at all will he? "
And they all looked at Me like I was crazy, and I said" What,, He's going ain't He, ain't that what y'all been saying all morning long, He can't never get out. And then I said" Do you see how crazy that sounds? Nobody even responded ,, and The Lord put them all to silence. Listen if the Righteous scarcely be saved, by the skin of our teeth. Where Shall the Sinner appear?
Those God GAVE to HIS Son Jesus, The CALLED and CHOSEN, were resurrected with Christ.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath PART in the first resurrection ....
Luke 20:34 Neither can they DIE ANYMORE: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Those not Called and not Chosen, will die and lay in the grave, along with those that have die from the beginning.
At the second resurrection EVERYONE in the graves will be resurrected back to their earthly flesh; AND JUDGED.
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (those at the second resurrection) the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this HONOUR hath all his SAINTS (those in the first resurrection).
Isaiah 26:9 .....when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH (in the grave) for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons OF GOD (those in the first resurrection, that will be their JUDGES).
Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
1 Corinthians 15:28 ...that God may be ALL IN ALL.
In 1 Corinthians 2, Paul uses the word natural to refer to someone still in his original (sinful) state. The Greek word psuchikos ("natural") can be defined as "animal," as opposed to "spiritual." Natural men are those who are occupied with the things of this material world to the exclusion of the things of God. They are led by instinct rather than by the Spirit of God. They intuitively choose sin over righteousness. They are the "pagans" Jesus refers to in Matthew 6:32 who only seek after the things of this world.
The supernatural work of God is to change the natural man into a spiritual one. When a person trusts Christ, God exchanges what is natural (received from Adam) for what is spiritual (received from Christ). "As in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive" ( 1 Corinthians 15:22). The Christian life is, therefore, a supernatural one. We do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit ( Romans 8:1). Interesting find.
Back to 1 Corinthians 1:18. For the preaching of the cross is TO THEM THAT PERISH FOOLISHNESS; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
If you notice, them that perish doesn't have much to say about the preaching of the cross! Why? Because it's foolishness to them.
To us which are saved our Hope, Redemption, and Salvation is tied to it,
Here's how the natural Man/Tares voids out the productivity of the cross in their false teachings.
God Love is on display when I slew his only begotten Son in our place, So there must be a damnable consequence to those who don't accept "This sacrifice"
He'll would have to be a real place for those who don't receive Christ. or the Love of God on display would be in vain!!
They say there is no Hell and all will go to Heaven by fire!
They replace the productivity of the cross with the fire prescribed for Satan as the means by which we are saved!
I know you are a child if God because the WORD says you are a child of God.
I think we all want to know as much about the Kingdom of God as revealed in his WORD.
God is Spirit, God is the LIFE, The Father gave the Son to have LIFE in himself, God gave the Son the inheritance of all nations of the world.
God gave his son a chosen few (which could be millions) to be a royal priestshood, the ones who share in Christ's resurrection.
Christ and these Sons of God are going to judge the world at the second resurrection.
WE CANNOT be a righteous judge without becoming exactly like Christ, this in the new creation, being born of Spirit, but having the glorified body of Christ.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (man) WAITETH (in the grave) for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.
Romans 8:21 Because the creature (man) ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
All this happens after the second resurrection when the Kingdom is established here on earth.
Mosses and the first children were a shadow: this time Christ is the KING and ALL WILL OBEY.
Zachariah 14:29 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses (THE PRIEST), HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD, and the pots in the Lords house, shall be like bowls upon the alter.
Zechariah 1:21 Yea every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness unto the lord of host: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein, and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of host.
Hi Cindy. I don't see any difference between the two terms; both are often used in the Bible, e.g. 1 Peter 1:3 and Romans 8:2. If we understand that the word, 'Christ', is not Jesus' surname, rather His Title as the Anointed One or Messiah of God, then whether we place it in front of His Name or after His Name, matters not at all.
I do agree , No man can pluck me out of God's Hand, You can't, Congress, Armies, Terrorists, non Christians. Nobody can take me out of God, but I can Walk Away. I can take myself out. I love those Bible Verses where it says ( And Jesus, called 12 and anointed them with Power to cast out devil's and to heal all sickness, and then in a side bar it says,,, ( Oh yeah,, every body but Judas Iscariot who by the way was never saved) Let me see,,,. What chapter is that! The book of ,,, uh,,, uh,, . Yeah ,, that's right it doesn't, and why? Glad you asked. Because Judas had the Same Thing, Matthew, Peter, John, etc,, had. He had the Goods, The Power of God Operating in His Life. He's not the The First good man, turned on God, because of The Love of Money. Anybody ever heard of the Doctrine of Baalam? How about King Joash in 2nd Kings chap. 12. The Priests, Ministry would misuse the money coming in. Its not a New Concept, it's as old as man. He coveted That Money. But hey Thank the Lord, Prosperity Preachers died out then,, Right,,, okay,, keep smiling.
The Bible says Jesus gave Judas that first sop. That represented a Guest, or to Honor, respect. Christ was reaching out to Him already. Are that sop and then what, Satan entered into Him. So the Question is how did Satan enter into a Place he already is. If you're at work, home, The Church and Bodily there. How is it possible for you to enter a Place you already are? In this Case, The Spirit of God Departed, left that Temple and then Satan entered in. We know Judas hung himself, and repented and left the money. But Paul says , there are 2 repentances, sorrows. Sorrow of the world, I hate where my life, circumstances are. And Godly Sorrow, Repentance, that says God just forgive me, save me, help me. Acts said Judas died and went to His own place,Hell. He was in , but He got out. He could have found a Alter like Peter did. This Eternal Salvation Doctrine is damning souls Daily
You could quote Scripture, and break them down for hrs. You could theologically determine Actions and Reactions. The Bible talks of Israel doing what, Paul said they Blasphemed The Holy One. All sin can be Forgiven, but that of Blasphemy against The Holy Ghost.
God will forgive me if I break all The Ten Commandments,,,10 times. Where sin did abound,, Grace did much more abound. It overwhelms sins, it leaves it defenseless. It swallows , consumes, defeats it
So if God will forgive me of every sin, I can think of save that of Blasphemy.
Oh as i rejoice over this gray and cold day, in the rain. I can put some wood in the oven and get heat. I read all the anointed's thoughts and notes, and pray for u all. And can state that the heart is bubbling over with the Lord's comfort and His heart for reconciliation, for all of us. John 17.
Far away from other people's noise and unsaved thoughts, i can seek Jesus' peace among the wild animals in the forest. It's a special bird that i love to hear, he says: Where are you ,,, my dear? I'm completely put off by this bird's chirping. It's like a love song. And is it not that dear friends, all sound from all creation is a song of praise to our God? Romans 8:18-25
This bird sings louder than all the other beeps and screams in the forest. "I call it my talatrosis". It's really a Mltrost, (target thrush) unfortunately the English translation has nothing to explain to me, i can not find the correct answer in English, but when you hear this bird, it is a sure sign of spring far north in Europe.
So today while the wood is crackling in the oven, the window is up,
and the fresh air from young newly awakened pine forest penetrates into my living room, and into my lungs. And i can hear this lovely bird chirping from the big forest. The river flows below and no one else sounds this day. Where i can find my self and lift myself up to God in the certainty of victory that He one day, (and He is coming soon).
Will put everything in order for us. Psalms 55:23 Through Jesus Christ we will always find a way out. He Is Immutable! As we seek our Heavenly Homes, 2 Timothy4:18 i will find such peace as here today. Without pain and heavy body. Only rest in the Lord, in the Lord, and all things are done for Him who is Worthy. And this i get to be a part of, because to take my eyes off Jesus i do not. I will always raise His Name if the opportunity is there.
I will never be ashamed of Jesus and all that He has done for all of us, Amen. Stay blessed in Jesus name, love u in Christ.
Flesh and blood, the body, dies and returns to dust,
Spirit, life, CANNOT die.
Hell is a doctrine of man: If a body of flesh and blood was placed in literal fire, it would be consumed in a few minutes, there would be not eternal torment. No need for a second resurrection.
If SPIRIT (there is only ONE SPIRIT and that SPIRIT IS GOD)( Ephesians 4:4-6) was placed in literal fire, it would not be affected.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Lazarus and the rich man is a PARABLE.
Lazarus went to the bosom of Abraham, symbolic of the BORN AGAIN, being ONE with God.
The rich man went to the GRAVE, a gulf that CANNOT be passed over UNTIL the second resurrection of the DEAD back to their flesh, to be judged and brought to TRUTH.
There are TWO RESURRECTION, one has already occurred, Christ and those that were ORDAINED to have their part in that FIRST RESURRECTION.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (those CHOSEN to have their part in the first resurrection) DIE ANY MORE: for they (the CHOSEN) are equal into the ANGELS; and are the children of God, being the children of the (FIRST) resurrection.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection ......
The second resurrection TO JUDGEMENT, has not yet occurred BUT:
Isaiah 26:9 ...For when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
1 Timothy 4:10 ...for we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN (even those in the second resurrection), specially those (in the first resurrection) who believe.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (man) WAITETH (second resurrection) for the manifestation of the Sons of God (first resurrection).
Romans 8:21 Because the creature (man) ITSELF shall ALSO be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (the GRAVE) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Hi K. I understand that Paul's salutation (or, greetings) is found in Romans 1:1-7. What you're referencing ( Romans 15:14 to 16:27) includes Paul's personal messages & finally his benediction; the actual benediction being Romans 16:25-27).
I'm not sure I understand, "our salvation is not a singular event.." When God got a hold of me, It WAS a singular event! He brought me to repentance, He showed me my sin, He showed me the errors of my man-made, superstitious religion - and I believed on Him and in that moment was born from above! In that one moment, God took out my stony heart, and put in me a heart of flesh. My sanctification, your sanctification, the sanctification of every born-again, blood bought believer is a process, it is us 'working out our salvation with fear and trembling', as the Bible says.
But as for salvation, there must be a time when we can point to when God dealt with us, and changed us from within by being born-again by the Spirit of the living God! As for me, it was the best day of my life! Praise Jesus! That was almost 39 years ago, and Jesus is sweeter than ever! :)
Yes, salvation is a singular event, which a believer will never forget in his whole life. We cannot keep getting 'saved', but we can keep getting 'sanctified', i.e. growing in grace, becoming more and more rooted in God's Word and growing in faith. I share these things because I am concerned about you, wanting to be sure that you KNOW you are saved by being born again by believing the gospel of Christ...and then, after that, being changed little by little by the Holy Spirit!
Not everyone was ordained to take part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.
If your part IS NOT in the first resurrection; you lay in the grave until the SECOND RESURRECTION.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the manifestation of the SONS of GOD (first resurrection).
Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF also shall be DELIVERED (second resurrection) from bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things (including death and the grave) shall be subdued unto him ..... GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.
1 Corinthians 15:54 .....Death is swallowed up in victory.
Our salvation is not a singular event or even a sprint but a marathon . " Life isn't about how to survive the storm , but how to dance in the rain " ."The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing"(John Powell) " Real integrity is doing the right thing knowing that nobody is going to know whether you did it or not"(Oprah Winfrey).Pray, read the Bible, do what you can especially by example. One can see what is all over the place in the world ,lead by example. Learn from when you commit a sin , no matter whether it is small or of a larger magnitude, it can & will happen, repent, pray,reach out when tribulations rain down ,reach out to share blessings,we learn by all of these, sometimes others learn. Bible verses shared in comments, I read not only the verse , but the entire chapter many times. God Bless!
Not long after I replied to your question, I noticed the statement looked incomplete. I decided to leave it believing you would understand based on the previous sentence. Then the LORD confirmed the thought with scripture!
Samuel wept for Saul. Samuel being the Judge of Israel: 1Samuel 7:15, Samuel came on the scene because Eli & his sons were dishonoring GOD & GOD's laws. As set forth in the Books of Deuteronomy, & Leviticus, given to Moses, recorded in Exodus 24 - 30, full chapters & Numbers. 1Samuel 1, 1Samuel 2:22-25, 1Samuel 2:11-18, they were the Priests yet they did their own will. (also fitting for your question) 1Samuel 2:27-36, 1Samuel 2:26, 1Samuel 3, = 1Samuel 4, please note also in Exodus 32, these were actions out of GOD's will, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 19, Yet when Abraham prayed GOD would have spared them all if there were 10 righteous at Abraham's request Genesis 18:16-33,
also comes to mind, GOD allows people to intercede on behalf of others even sinful, the ultimate example is Jesus, even now on our behalf
2Peter 3:9, Luke 17:25-30, 2Chronicles 16:9, Romans 8:34,
Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
If you are, please join me to pray and fast for the safety of Israel and the fullness of the Gentiles.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Grace and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
.....This Romans 8 : 29 is not about man being glorified but about Christ being predestinated and Glorified and man being a joint heir with Christ....Its Christ that is gonna be the 1st born of many brethren...If ya interpret Romans 8 : 29 as man being GLORIFIED and preordained you are in essence saying that satan is gonna be preordained....Thats how Tulip got started that only a few wd be saved and all the rest wd go to hell....In essence saying that Jesus wd only die for a few..In essence saying that God neva did love the whole world just a few which wd make God a respector of persons...This TULIP doctrine was the result of bible schools ( carnal teaching ) ... Zech 12 : 10 tells us that its Christ that is gona be the 1st born of many brethren.
.....Mankind can only be a Joint HEIR with Christ....Its only Christ and his seed that is gona be multiplied as the stars of heaven Gen 22 : 17 kjv...ALL of mankind carried the stain and the spot of adam which is our old adamic nature that HAS to go thru the baptism of fire and the H.G. As Jesus said every sinner has to have his part in the lake of fire...which is God as our God is a consuming fire that wants to consume mans Evil Adamic nature....Its only the babes n sucklings .
Thank you for your nice reply.
I have always wrestle with the area, as I do with " free will" . In my feeble mind these two concepts tend to oppose each other.
If God, all knowledgeable , all knowing, has predestined ones to be His faithful sons and daughters, then he has predestined others to " hell". Based on this, do we truly have " free will", at least in this area.
By the way, I seriously wrestle with this, and have for many years, it is such a cloudy area for me.
Have a blessed day.
If we then look at those aspects of God's Work in Romans 8:29,30, we see firstly, His Foreknowledge (a knowledge of all things past, present & future). Based on that knowledge, He predestined some to become His children (as His Son is & His adopted ones would be - Ephesians 1:5). Then God's Work upon us begins: those predestined are now called to come to Him/drawn to Him - John 6:44. Those whom He has called, God applied to them the outcome of the Cross, i.e. of Justification - the guilty declared not guilty by reason of substitutionary payment made on their behalf. And those so justified, have received glorification - in part now with the indwelling Holy Spirit (the "earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession" - our completed redemption & glorification fitted out for Heaven: Ephesians 1:14).
Then what part "does our faith in Christ Jesus do for us?" Those whom God has predestined, called, & justified, are those who would be blessed with the gift of Faith - Faith that is needed for God's Grace to do its mighty work ( Ephesians 2:8). What then is the Gift of God? It is both His Grace poured out upon us plus the Faith to apprehend it & fully rest in it. One might ask, 'Can such a person drawn of God resist Him?' I would reply with questions: 'Would God even draw one who wouldn't be saved? Would the one being drawn want to resist the Love of God in Christ & the Holy Spirit's Work of Conviction? And, even if barriers were set up by Satan to obstruct the passage of the sinner into eternal life, would not the God Who makes no mistakes, still bear upon the sinner that he might understand the Truth & find that his hope lay in Christ alone?' John 6:37-40 - none of His will be lost.
So has God preselected the ones who are to be saved through Christ? Then, what does our faith in Christ Jesus do for us?
This, as I understand, is one of the main differences between Baptist and Presbyterian beliefs.
Romans 8:26,
Hopefully these are helpful
You would not believe that the Wisdom of Solomon is revealed to His saints as it is written:
THERE IS POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!
I prayed for wisdom and for those who truly have pure heart, will receive that wisdom, knowledge and understanding. I say that because when I read the Wisdom of Solomon, most of them are already imputed in my heart without knowing it. See Colossians verses below:
Trust, believe and have faith in what Jesus did on the cross. For the blood Jesus Christ shed is just like the OT Lamb without blemish sacrifices. Now He is that Lamb without sin and He already died for us ALL. Jesus Christ already won the Devil. He gave us a free gift: the gift of grace; the righteousness of faith; the grace of God.
Apostle Paul is the last Apostle God revealed what we Gentiles need to do ( the Book of Romans to Philemon).
Those who understand the mysteries of Christ/ God will walk in the Spirit of God.
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
You will know these people through the fruit of their spirit:
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance
Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Also make no mistake 1 Corinthians 13:2 ; Read verses 3-8; 13:
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Colossians 2:2
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Colossians 2:3
In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
Be saved: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Just serve Him, Becky. Serve Him no matter what. Pray for deliverance from your situation. Trust and believe, and He will get you out of that situation.
Praise the Lord for his meeting with you and revealing to you your sins, and causing you to fly to Jesus for salvation!
It is a GREAT sign to me that you are hating your sin and want to be free of it. That is exactly what the Holy Spirit's work in us does...it makes us hate sin and desire to please God! HalleluJAH!
It seems that it's a matter for you to 'grow in grace' and to exercise your faith. It would be so easy if God would just do a miracle and take all of our sinful inclinations away but He, in His wisdom, doesn't work that way. Paul the apostle tells us we must 'work out our salvation with fear and trembling.' It is WORK to kill the flesh, the inner motions of sin, and to chose instead to walk in the Spirit.
It's vital that you take God at His Word, and do it, no matter if you feel like it or not Becky, or if you 'feel' anything at all, for that matter. We walk by faith. I'm going to leave a few Scriptures here for you to meditate on, believe, and put into practice! The prayers will continue!!
Here are the verses for you:
1 John 3:8-9 -He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Whoever has God's Spirit cannot live in habitual sin, because God will give him/her no rest until he/she obeys! :)
Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Please read, and read, and re-read Romans 8:1-14, Becky.
In the love of Christ, with blessings....
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." I thought I had to be without sin. That's not what that verse means. It does mean for us not to commit deliberate sins like breaking the ten commandments and knowing to do good but doing it not. So you see, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." And 1John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Being remorseful for our sins is not enough. We must repent. Ever been walking down a sidewalk and decide to turn around a go the other way. That's repenting. We decide not to commit a certain sin ever again. You can quit smoking and all the rest. It's not easy, but you can do it by confessing, repenting, drawing close to Him, and cease fellowshipping with those unbelievers--not shunning them, for you should strive to be a witness to them in conduct and action.
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." And there is nothing that can keep you from serving him. Romans 8:38,39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
God bless!
I happens because it was prophecied to happen.
Ezekiel 5:1-5
Zechariah 13:9
All the verses in Revelation that takes about the third part of man.
These are the called out, to be priest and judges.
Romans 8:19-21
Help us & our children to love You
Romans 8:28
And put food in us so our steps can be ordered by You. psalms 37:23
In Jesus name.
John 13:13-14
God is LOVE; but how do you know what love is, without knowing what hate is?
God is LIGHT; but how do you know light, is without knowing what darkness is?
God is LIFE; but how do you know what life, is without knowing what death is?
God is TRUTH; but how do you know what truth, is without knowing what deception is?
God is WISDOM; but how do you know what wisdom, is without knowing what ignorance is?
The tree of KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, are in the same TREE, when we eat the FRUIT we HAVE KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL.
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold they have become like ONE OF US (Gods) to KNOW GOOD and EVIL.
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate, to be conformed to the image of his Son (God) ....
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind BE IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:5 Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with GOD.
Isaiah 66:9 Shall I not bring TO BIRTH, and not cause to bring forth? ......
Isaiah 66:8 ....for as soon a Zion travailed, she brought forth her children (gods: in the AGE TO COME).
God Bless YOU!
But that Crowd was coming at Me with everything but the kitchen sink, with their,, I'm allright, He's allright, She's allright, Everybody is a sinner, We all sin. This thinking, crowd just wants to sins, and they want a clean conscience while they do it.
And finally I said" Look it's around 12:00 ,and I haven't sinner yet. I'm not telling you I want need The Grace of God before the day is over. But I didn't get up this morning to see how much sin I could get by with, I got up trying not to sin.:And then I dropped this Bomb from The Holy Ghost: I said" I guess that's like my Brother in Law, He doesn't go to Church, pay his tithes, he is abusive to His Children. He drinks, smokes, does drugs fights everybody, cuss you out in a heartbeat, beats His Wife, He runs around on Her all the time. You know when He gets to Heaven He won't have any rewards at all will he? "
And they all looked at Me like I was crazy, and I said" What,, He's going ain't He, ain't that what y'all been saying all morning long, He can't never get out. And then I said" Do you see how crazy that sounds? Nobody even responded ,, and The Lord put them all to silence. Listen if the Righteous scarcely be saved, by the skin of our teeth. Where Shall the Sinner appear?
Mikey Out. Biscoe House of Mercy
Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"
James 2:9-12 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
There are TWO resurrections.
Those God GAVE to HIS Son Jesus, The CALLED and CHOSEN, were resurrected with Christ.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath PART in the first resurrection ....
Luke 20:34 Neither can they DIE ANYMORE: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Those not Called and not Chosen, will die and lay in the grave, along with those that have die from the beginning.
At the second resurrection EVERYONE in the graves will be resurrected back to their earthly flesh; AND JUDGED.
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (those at the second resurrection) the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this HONOUR hath all his SAINTS (those in the first resurrection).
Isaiah 26:9 .....when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH (in the grave) for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons OF GOD (those in the first resurrection, that will be their JUDGES).
Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
1 Corinthians 15:28 ...that God may be ALL IN ALL.
God Bless YOU!
Part 2.
In 1 Corinthians 2, Paul uses the word natural to refer to someone still in his original (sinful) state. The Greek word psuchikos ("natural") can be defined as "animal," as opposed to "spiritual." Natural men are those who are occupied with the things of this material world to the exclusion of the things of God. They are led by instinct rather than by the Spirit of God. They intuitively choose sin over righteousness. They are the "pagans" Jesus refers to in Matthew 6:32 who only seek after the things of this world.
The supernatural work of God is to change the natural man into a spiritual one. When a person trusts Christ, God exchanges what is natural (received from Adam) for what is spiritual (received from Christ). "As in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive" ( 1 Corinthians 15:22). The Christian life is, therefore, a supernatural one. We do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit ( Romans 8:1). Interesting find.
Back to 1 Corinthians 1:18. For the preaching of the cross is TO THEM THAT PERISH FOOLISHNESS; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
If you notice, them that perish doesn't have much to say about the preaching of the cross! Why? Because it's foolishness to them.
To us which are saved our Hope, Redemption, and Salvation is tied to it,
Here's how the natural Man/Tares voids out the productivity of the cross in their false teachings.
God Love is on display when I slew his only begotten Son in our place, So there must be a damnable consequence to those who don't accept "This sacrifice"
He'll would have to be a real place for those who don't receive Christ. or the Love of God on display would be in vain!!
They say there is no Hell and all will go to Heaven by fire!
They replace the productivity of the cross with the fire prescribed for Satan as the means by which we are saved!
1 Corinthians 2:14.
God bless.
I know you are a child if God because the WORD says you are a child of God.
I think we all want to know as much about the Kingdom of God as revealed in his WORD.
God is Spirit, God is the LIFE, The Father gave the Son to have LIFE in himself, God gave the Son the inheritance of all nations of the world.
God gave his son a chosen few (which could be millions) to be a royal priestshood, the ones who share in Christ's resurrection.
Christ and these Sons of God are going to judge the world at the second resurrection.
WE CANNOT be a righteous judge without becoming exactly like Christ, this in the new creation, being born of Spirit, but having the glorified body of Christ.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (man) WAITETH (in the grave) for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.
Romans 8:21 Because the creature (man) ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
All this happens after the second resurrection when the Kingdom is established here on earth.
Mosses and the first children were a shadow: this time Christ is the KING and ALL WILL OBEY.
Zachariah 14:29 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses (THE PRIEST), HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD, and the pots in the Lords house, shall be like bowls upon the alter.
Zechariah 1:21 Yea every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness unto the lord of host: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein, and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of host.
God Bless YOU!
The Bible says Jesus gave Judas that first sop. That represented a Guest, or to Honor, respect. Christ was reaching out to Him already. Are that sop and then what, Satan entered into Him. So the Question is how did Satan enter into a Place he already is. If you're at work, home, The Church and Bodily there. How is it possible for you to enter a Place you already are? In this Case, The Spirit of God Departed, left that Temple and then Satan entered in. We know Judas hung himself, and repented and left the money. But Paul says , there are 2 repentances, sorrows. Sorrow of the world, I hate where my life, circumstances are. And Godly Sorrow, Repentance, that says God just forgive me, save me, help me. Acts said Judas died and went to His own place,Hell. He was in , but He got out. He could have found a Alter like Peter did. This Eternal Salvation Doctrine is damning souls Daily
Mikey Out.
Biscoe House of Mercy
God will forgive me if I break all The Ten Commandments,,,10 times. Where sin did abound,, Grace did much more abound. It overwhelms sins, it leaves it defenseless. It swallows , consumes, defeats it
So if God will forgive me of every sin, I can think of save that of Blasphemy.
Then how can I explain what Blasphemy truly is?
Blasphemy is Rejecting God.
Mikey Out. Biscoe House of Mercy
Far away from other people's noise and unsaved thoughts, i can seek Jesus' peace among the wild animals in the forest. It's a special bird that i love to hear, he says: Where are you ,,, my dear? I'm completely put off by this bird's chirping. It's like a love song. And is it not that dear friends, all sound from all creation is a song of praise to our God? Romans 8:18-25
This bird sings louder than all the other beeps and screams in the forest. "I call it my talatrosis". It's really a Mltrost, (target thrush) unfortunately the English translation has nothing to explain to me, i can not find the correct answer in English, but when you hear this bird, it is a sure sign of spring far north in Europe.
So today while the wood is crackling in the oven, the window is up,
and the fresh air from young newly awakened pine forest penetrates into my living room, and into my lungs. And i can hear this lovely bird chirping from the big forest. The river flows below and no one else sounds this day. Where i can find my self and lift myself up to God in the certainty of victory that He one day, (and He is coming soon).
Will put everything in order for us. Psalms 55:23 Through Jesus Christ we will always find a way out. He Is Immutable! As we seek our Heavenly Homes, 2 Timothy4:18 i will find such peace as here today. Without pain and heavy body. Only rest in the Lord, in the Lord, and all things are done for Him who is Worthy. And this i get to be a part of, because to take my eyes off Jesus i do not. I will always raise His Name if the opportunity is there.
I will never be ashamed of Jesus and all that He has done for all of us, Amen. Stay blessed in Jesus name, love u in Christ.
There is flesh and blood: A BODY
There is ONE SPIRIT: IMMORTAL LIFE
Flesh and blood, the body, dies and returns to dust,
Spirit, life, CANNOT die.
Hell is a doctrine of man: If a body of flesh and blood was placed in literal fire, it would be consumed in a few minutes, there would be not eternal torment. No need for a second resurrection.
If SPIRIT (there is only ONE SPIRIT and that SPIRIT IS GOD)( Ephesians 4:4-6) was placed in literal fire, it would not be affected.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Lazarus and the rich man is a PARABLE.
Lazarus went to the bosom of Abraham, symbolic of the BORN AGAIN, being ONE with God.
The rich man went to the GRAVE, a gulf that CANNOT be passed over UNTIL the second resurrection of the DEAD back to their flesh, to be judged and brought to TRUTH.
There are TWO RESURRECTION, one has already occurred, Christ and those that were ORDAINED to have their part in that FIRST RESURRECTION.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (those CHOSEN to have their part in the first resurrection) DIE ANY MORE: for they (the CHOSEN) are equal into the ANGELS; and are the children of God, being the children of the (FIRST) resurrection.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection ......
The second resurrection TO JUDGEMENT, has not yet occurred BUT:
Isaiah 26:9 ...For when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
1 Timothy 4:10 ...for we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN (even those in the second resurrection), specially those (in the first resurrection) who believe.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (man) WAITETH (second resurrection) for the manifestation of the Sons of God (first resurrection).
Romans 8:21 Because the creature (man) ITSELF shall ALSO be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (the GRAVE) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
God Bless YOU!
I'm not sure I understand, "our salvation is not a singular event.." When God got a hold of me, It WAS a singular event! He brought me to repentance, He showed me my sin, He showed me the errors of my man-made, superstitious religion - and I believed on Him and in that moment was born from above! In that one moment, God took out my stony heart, and put in me a heart of flesh. My sanctification, your sanctification, the sanctification of every born-again, blood bought believer is a process, it is us 'working out our salvation with fear and trembling', as the Bible says.
But as for salvation, there must be a time when we can point to when God dealt with us, and changed us from within by being born-again by the Spirit of the living God! As for me, it was the best day of my life! Praise Jesus! That was almost 39 years ago, and Jesus is sweeter than ever! :)
Yes, salvation is a singular event, which a believer will never forget in his whole life. We cannot keep getting 'saved', but we can keep getting 'sanctified', i.e. growing in grace, becoming more and more rooted in God's Word and growing in faith. I share these things because I am concerned about you, wanting to be sure that you KNOW you are saved by being born again by believing the gospel of Christ...and then, after that, being changed little by little by the Holy Spirit!
Grace to you!
-Kathy-
Not everyone was ordained to take part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.
If your part IS NOT in the first resurrection; you lay in the grave until the SECOND RESURRECTION.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the manifestation of the SONS of GOD (first resurrection).
Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF also shall be DELIVERED (second resurrection) from bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things (including death and the grave) shall be subdued unto him ..... GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.
1 Corinthians 15:54 .....Death is swallowed up in victory.
God Bless YOU!
6. Paul's Salutation (5:14-16:27) Should This Be (:15:14-16:27)
Samuel wept for Saul. Samuel being the Judge of Israel: 1Samuel 7:15, Samuel came on the scene because Eli & his sons were dishonoring GOD & GOD's laws. As set forth in the Books of Deuteronomy, & Leviticus, given to Moses, recorded in Exodus 24 - 30, full chapters & Numbers. 1Samuel 1, 1Samuel 2:22-25, 1Samuel 2:11-18, they were the Priests yet they did their own will. (also fitting for your question) 1Samuel 2:27-36, 1Samuel 2:26, 1Samuel 3, = 1Samuel 4, please note also in Exodus 32, these were actions out of GOD's will, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 19, Yet when Abraham prayed GOD would have spared them all if there were 10 righteous at Abraham's request Genesis 18:16-33,
also comes to mind, GOD allows people to intercede on behalf of others even sinful, the ultimate example is Jesus, even now on our behalf
2Peter 3:9, Luke 17:25-30, 2Chronicles 16:9, Romans 8:34,
With all of these. Why do you ask?
Genesis 1:28, John 16:23, John 14:13,
Hopefully these are all helpful