Hi Ann, this is a predictable discussion. I know all the verses you shared and agree with them, because I believe in the Bible- all of it, not just cherry picked verses. Have you read the entire chapter context around these verses? Because it completes the thought and explains what exactly it means. I can pluck out things too that only share part of the picture, like 1 Timothy 2:15.
You said something before worth analyzing: "FAITH or WORKS??? It CAN'T BE BOTH!"
Why not? Who said it can't be both? It is both. The Bible already says it's both and even already predicted this exact believe and refused it. James 2:17 says faith without works is dead- do you believe that? If not, what is your explanation for not believing this part of the Bible?
Since you believe Paul, do you believe what he wrote in Romans 7? He talked about his deep struggle in trying to avoid sin and do good. Why would he struggle if doing good isn't necessary one bit? He called himself captive (prisoner) of sin. He was in deep torment to try to do good. If no good works was necessary why didn't he instead just party and live a life of sin and not worry about spreading the gospel, if he was already 'saved'? The Bible makes the answer clear.
James 2:19 - even demons believe in God and Jesus, including satan. So, if all that's needed to be saved and go to heaven is to believe does that mean satan will go to heaven? If not, why? Hitler attended church and might have been a Christian in his early years, so will we see him in heaven too, despite Romans 2:6?
Is it 'wrong' to do good works? If so, why does the Bible say in multiple places to do good? Matthew 7:16-23. Jesus says most people will go to hell and you'll know his followers by their fruit. If good isn't needed, then why would Jesus say this. Was he lying? It would be a very hard argument to make that living a fruitful life of good works is 'bad', because that's exactly what the Bible says to do and how you can recognize genuine Christians. Christians aren't saved by good works, though. That's a logical fallacy to assume that. Grace alone saves. If someone wants to follow Jesus, however, it requires action, doing things.
Reading the entire chapter context of the Bible clears up such misunderstandings. God bless you in your journey for the truth.
In 2 Corinthians 5:10, it says For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; That is what is called the Bema seat. This is not the Great White Throne Judgment. We are told in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3, as well as Romans 14:10 "Why do you judge your brother, or why do you set at nought your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat, the Bema seat of Christ."
The Bema seat was the platform that some of the Roman officials would sit on as they were meting out judgment. But it's more known for the stand in which you come to at the Olympic games after you run your race to get your prize.
We see in the Olympics, the first, second, and third-place athletes, they get up on this stand and they give them a medal. And they stand up there and play the anthem of the person that came in first place.
That is the Bema seat. It's not the judgment of heaven and hell. We are already assured of heaven in Christ. But we will be judged and that judgment is described for us in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3.
There will be a type of fire that we will pass through and that which is not of Christ will burn, and whatever is left is the reward. Only the things of Christ will last!
So he says I do things here that will be well-pleasing to the Lord because someday I'm going to stand before Him just like we (All true believers) will. And as he says in 1 Corinthians Chapter 9, he runs the race to win the prize. He says run to receive the prize because one day you're going to stand before Christ.
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Hi Deason, the reason I think that believing in Jesus isn't enough is that the Bible already says that believing isn't enough. Even satan and demons know the truth and believe in Jesus, so do you think they're saved? James 2:19, if obedience wasn't important, then why did Jesus say it was? He said you don't love Jesus if you don't obey Him. So, for those who disobey Jesus, do you think it's likely that you go to heaven and be rewarded as much as those who spent their life in service and obedience to Him? Romans 2:6 Satan wants to deceive Christians into believing you don't have to be obedient because he's trying to get more people to go to hell. James 2:26. And what about the many verses saying to repent and confess of your sin? Matthew 4:17 If it wasn't necessary then why did Jesus say it was? If obedience wasn't necessary, why would Jesus say it was? The real question is does someone fully believe the Bible and do they truly believe Jesus? Matthew 7:22
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: (29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 2:16
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men BY JESUS CHRIST according to my gospel."
John 5:22
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT UNTO THE SON:"
I think you also over looked the fact that Jesus himself chose Paul as his messenger to speak to the Gentiles of his(Jesus) gospel. Jesus gave Paul permission to bear his name...meaning all that Paul spoke was sanctioned and approved by Jesus. Acts 9:15. Once Saul/Paul received his sight, he immediately went forth preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Acts 9:19...
Victor on Romans 2. Brother I think you have been slanted in your view of the prophets. Paul, of all the apostles was a man of clear understanding of God's word, law and purpose for humanity. As Saul, he persecuted God's people and thought he was doing God's will. When he was converted and named Paul...how much clearer do you think he was from that point on?
God is a fair judge. In today's world you hear of people doing bad things and 'getting away with it', at least temporarily. They will be judged accordingly. I don't believe anyone gets by with anything. Romans 2:6-11. Also, just because the Bible doesn't describe something doesn't mean something 'didn't happen'. For example, no one in the Bible is described as using the restroom, but we can assume they did. Likewise, you can read several stories without reading about them eating or sleeping, so we shouldn't assume they didn't, because that was omitted. Likewise, just because it doesn't say the daughters were punished doesn't mean they weren't.
What Hoof is being accepted who do we listen too God and His Sheep or Wolves in Sheeps clothing. Even Rebuking in Love for Love is being rejected or watered down today. Jesus was Perfect but was Paul and others both in the Old and New Testerment, had they become Perfected in Gods Love when they Chastised and Rebuked those in disobedance because they Loved them Prov 27:5-6 Do we close our eyes when people are allowing Satan to get a foothold in their lives by continuing to Sin or ignore and minimise it because we are not Perfect yet or have done the wrong thing. Gods Love is not Saccrine Sweet when needed He Rebukes 2Tim4 or Disaplines us, we will reap the evil we sow untill we Repent Lk15.
Pastor Dan, Im sure you will agree that its more important to take to Heart what God tells us than what Secular
Scientists do, many have been in error. 1Timothy4 Now the Spirit Speaketh Expressly that in the Latter times some shall depart from the Faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils Speaking lies in hypocrisy having their Conscience seared with a hot iron Forbidding to Marry and Commanding to abstain from Meats which God hath Created to be Received with Thanksgiving of them which Believe and know the Truth. For every Creature of God is Good and Nothing to be Refused if it be Received with Thanksgiving. For it is Sanctified by the Word of God and Prayer.
Thank you Adam as I read the Comments yours was one of the Scriptures God gave me the other one was 1Timothy4 which Confirms what you shared Woman cant Preach or Teach to Men in Authority in Church etc but we can share Gods Truth and Correct error but not what we think unless its Confirmed as Gods Truth in Scripture or Creation Many Times in my Ministries to Woman and Children over the last 35 years I have been very Blessed and I have also been Thankful to Men like you who Love the Lord and His Children all ages which I have also found with other Men on this Website and I very much appreciate too the Godly Woman here who also seek to Share Gods Truth so others can be Uplifted and Encouraged.
Which scientists say pork is unhealthy? There isn't any scientific consensus on this as anyone can search 'pork health benefits' and find plenty of information. Romans 14:1-23
wow...so much deception is what i see in the comments....Half Trues...2 main Errors...Tribulation is Not God's Wrath...and Day of Christ is Not same as Day of The Lord...Day of Christ is Jesus coming for His Bride...Day of The Lord is Time of 3 Years of God's Wrath upon The Wicked that are Still in Power on Earth...Falling Away is The Church of The Last Days...Luke Warm and Sick... Isa 5 shows God removing The Hedge around His Vineyard...All Over The World...Not just tiny Israel. The Church has been Grafted In to Israel.. Eph. 2:11-20 and Romans 2:29,30...God only has ONE Bride since The Beginning ..Not Two ... Matthew 25: 6..Jesus is Coming for His Bride at Midnight....Our Darkest Hour . PRAY
I have enough of my own sins to repent for and work hard to improve myself without spending time thinking about others. Sure, I witness every time I can about following Jesus Christ and how He has helped me to be see the error of my ways. But, I refuse to let the path of others sway me from the way which I believe to be the best for my soul.
To believe what you just said you'd have to disregard so many parts of the Bible. Just one of the scriptures above proves it, but it doesn't stop there- many scriptures saying no one has extra privileges or salvation above anyone else. Since you're accusing others of believing lies what if you're the one sharing falsehoods? The devil wants to divide people and spread lies. Romans 2:11, Acts 10:34, 1 Peter 1:17, James 2:1-4, Mark 16:15.
Thank you Debra and yes our Abba Father has Redeemed in Christ all those He Knows as His Own Galatians 3:28 - Colossians 3 and Romans 2:10-11 and by His Foreknowledge Romans 8:29 has Chosen us to be conformed into the image of Christ and not one of us will be lost, He Protects our Souls as we work out our Salvation not meaning work for it Provides for our needs. God's Love and Blessings - Anne.
There is a difference between judging and warning the wicked from their weakness and sin. We are sanctified by the word of GOD, therefore we may show the word of GOD with love and charity.
I think this is a hard chapter from a Christian point of view. We do tend to judge liars for example when we ourselves have lied or committed other sins. How do we combat our own past actions when we watch people of power, no conscience, lie their very heads off. Because I am small and insignificant, does that make my lie less compared to monstrous lies from people in power.
so why did he choose to be born a jew?
then later become a christian?
this seems a controversial issue!
for the bible also says...
i change not!
can one begin to trust anyone who calls himself
god, who changes not,
then,do a complete flip? to keep what has always
been his!
and after what he so firmly says! i change not!
even satan would have something to say about this!
and as we also know, he is immortal
he is perfect,
so there is
no change from perfection to being a mortal creator
which would, put him in the same bracket as satan, who is
a created being, thus here he lowers himself
(when there is no need to), in not only satan's eyes,
but all mankind, being born again to prove
his ownership! he turns human like us!
no...
he is the owner to all his creation!
never has he lost anything to a created being - satan!
who can never stand up to his maker, owing every
minute to him for his own life, and would surely be
consumed by the creator's presence!
for the wages of sin is death,
satan is living only
through his makers gratis, or he should have long
been dead by now!
i believe my creator is perfect in everyway.
never has he lost anything he is owner of,
not incompetent, untruthful to his word,
lacking a sure foundation, and the ability
to hold on to what is rightfully his!
unaware of the helplessness of man's
suffering, that he took so long to come to
his aid!
had to leave a place called heaven to show
who he rightfully is!
then to prove to man he had to lower his
status in order to win back the ownership
of this sad world! and his people!
and then be told by satan...
to bow down to him, and he (our creator)
would be given this whole!
i also believe my creator knew what he did
back then, even before he created anything
for surely he is an immortal being, knows his
own, and how to manage it all, even satan.
he need never to prove to anyone or answer.
You said something before worth analyzing: "FAITH or WORKS??? It CAN'T BE BOTH!"
Why not? Who said it can't be both? It is both. The Bible already says it's both and even already predicted this exact believe and refused it. James 2:17 says faith without works is dead- do you believe that? If not, what is your explanation for not believing this part of the Bible?
Since you believe Paul, do you believe what he wrote in Romans 7? He talked about his deep struggle in trying to avoid sin and do good. Why would he struggle if doing good isn't necessary one bit? He called himself captive (prisoner) of sin. He was in deep torment to try to do good. If no good works was necessary why didn't he instead just party and live a life of sin and not worry about spreading the gospel, if he was already 'saved'? The Bible makes the answer clear.
James 2:19 - even demons believe in God and Jesus, including satan. So, if all that's needed to be saved and go to heaven is to believe does that mean satan will go to heaven? If not, why? Hitler attended church and might have been a Christian in his early years, so will we see him in heaven too, despite Romans 2:6?
Is it 'wrong' to do good works? If so, why does the Bible say in multiple places to do good? Matthew 7:16-23. Jesus says most people will go to hell and you'll know his followers by their fruit. If good isn't needed, then why would Jesus say this. Was he lying? It would be a very hard argument to make that living a fruitful life of good works is 'bad', because that's exactly what the Bible says to do and how you can recognize genuine Christians. Christians aren't saved by good works, though. That's a logical fallacy to assume that. Grace alone saves. If someone wants to follow Jesus, however, it requires action, doing things.
Reading the entire chapter context of the Bible clears up such misunderstandings. God bless you in your journey for the truth.
Beware of dogs ( Gal. 5:15), beware of evil workers, beware of the concision ( Romans 2:28)
Revelation 22:14-15.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates Into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
You have to stop and ponder on what real dogs do. Their noses are always where they shouldn't be, etc.
It's stunning to ponder. I've worked with people like that. Run in packs; respect nothing; have to be the king of the pack.
I said it was brutal.
A spirit is a demon; dog spirit.
In 2 Corinthians 5:10, it says For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; That is what is called the Bema seat. This is not the Great White Throne Judgment. We are told in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3, as well as Romans 14:10 "Why do you judge your brother, or why do you set at nought your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat, the Bema seat of Christ."
The Bema seat was the platform that some of the Roman officials would sit on as they were meting out judgment. But it's more known for the stand in which you come to at the Olympic games after you run your race to get your prize.
We see in the Olympics, the first, second, and third-place athletes, they get up on this stand and they give them a medal. And they stand up there and play the anthem of the person that came in first place.
That is the Bema seat. It's not the judgment of heaven and hell. We are already assured of heaven in Christ. But we will be judged and that judgment is described for us in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3.
There will be a type of fire that we will pass through and that which is not of Christ will burn, and whatever is left is the reward. Only the things of Christ will last!
So he says I do things here that will be well-pleasing to the Lord because someday I'm going to stand before Him just like we (All true believers) will. And as he says in 1 Corinthians Chapter 9, he runs the race to win the prize. He says run to receive the prize because one day you're going to stand before Christ.
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: (29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men BY JESUS CHRIST according to my gospel."
John 5:22
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT UNTO THE SON:"
Scientists do, many have been in error. 1Timothy4 Now the Spirit Speaketh Expressly that in the Latter times some shall depart from the Faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils Speaking lies in hypocrisy having their Conscience seared with a hot iron Forbidding to Marry and Commanding to abstain from Meats which God hath Created to be Received with Thanksgiving of them which Believe and know the Truth. For every Creature of God is Good and Nothing to be Refused if it be Received with Thanksgiving. For it is Sanctified by the Word of God and Prayer.