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  • Roger on Romans 2:7 - 11 years ago
    This is immortality, live!
  • Jay on Luke 6 - 12 years ago
    @Patrick,
    I am sympathetic to your situation for I have recently lost my position in a hospital that I have been with for several years because of knee replacement and no longer am able to perform my position at the level that is expected.
    1. A door closed by God cannot be opened by man and a door opened by God cannot be closed by man!
    2. Others maybe dependent on us, but we must always trust in the lord and be always dependent on him ( Proverbs 3:5-8; Philippians 4:19);
    3. As for judgment on the world ( John 16:8-11), we must first judge ourselves to check our standing with God ( 1 Corinthians 11:31,32);
    4. God has already judged sinners at the cross;
    5. God will judge the world, nations, and people according to his holy scriptures by his son Jesus Christ ( Romans 2:14-16);
    6. The judgment seat of Christ for born again Christians ( Romans 14:10, 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Corinthians 3:13);
    7. The white throne judgment for persons who have not been born again ( Revelation 20:11-15);
    8. Born again by the holy spirit only without water baptism or any other works related deeds that some religions require.
  • Ogechukwu on Romans 2:11 - 12 years ago
    This shows the Righteousness of God: that everyone on earth is judged or justified by his/her good works and also by accepting Lord Jesus as his/her personal Savior, thereby living a godly and obedient lifestyle.
  • Ralph on Romans 2 - 12 years ago
    When faith perceives that crumbs of food (for children) falls from the table and that even the small dogs under the table benefit from it, that faith touched the Savior. And that faith is sufficient faith. We have the LORD's word on that.

    6"...Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

    7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life..."

    "Eternal life"!!

    GOD,(Who's sovereignty is now beyond dispute in light of Christ's perfect submission, even to the cross), has complete moral freedom to be gracious.

    "...I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious" are HIS words.
  • Steven on Romans 2 - 12 years ago
    Well, how about " make your Calling and Election sure," or, "work out your Salvation in fear and trembling" or, " those He foreknew He called ," or Only those whom God gives to His Son will come to His Son.....It sounds like 'election' to me. "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have Compassion on whom I will have Compassion?" It seems like we get into trouble when someone/anyone tries to come up with what they consider to be the True gospel, usually by emphasising some parts to the detrement of other parts of Scripture. 7th day people, baptising people, Jehovah people, fundamentalist people, ad nauseum. All these things do is create Separation and argument. ( MY idea of God is better than yours ) Paul prayed that all of us would speak and pray with one voice about the truth of God, and not be part of this, that or the other thing...and when anyone decides to preach 'this type' or that type' of gospel, they are not gathering, they are Scattering.
  • Jean on Romans 2 - 12 years ago
    Romans 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

    Ye must be born again to over come your fleshly sins with praise/worship by the Holy Spirit and sometimes you will have to run away from the sin because of your own desire for it, knowing it is wrong to do it.
  • Bruce M. Devitt on Romans 2 - 13 years ago
    In verse 16 Paul refers to his gospel being what will be used to judge.? Paul is a servant an apostle(diciples also called) and Jesus states clearly that the servant/diciple is not above his Lord and master. Jesus also states that it is the words that he speaks (whitch are written)that they will judge you. The words that Jesus does say and speak are given to him by his Father thru commandment. Paul is of the branches and Jesus is the true vine.Jesus says that the branches cannot bear fruit of themselves except that it abides in the vine.A fathful follower is 'found'to be those abiding in my(Jesus) words and sayings.Jesus also says that the one who sent is not above the one who sent him!
  • StephendeRafael on Romans 2 - 13 years ago
    One of the original commandments God gave to Abraham was to circumcise his house as an outward sign that inwardly they were followers of the Living God, who appeared first to Abraham. Without hesitation he complied. Here Paul speaks of this and can't help but see the hypocracy in those who claim to be the children of Abraham but continue to transgress the word of God. Things haven't changed unto this day, by God will not be mocked. We must live by the law of God to be accepted into his Kingdom, pure and simple. But Paul also says that some live by the law without the outward circumcision and are accepted for they have the law written in their heart. So its not the outward signs that God sees but he is the knower of your heart and mind, the inward man.
  • Belle on Romans 2 - 13 years ago
    God will have mercy on whom so ever he will
  • James on Romans 2 - 13 years ago
    this is for frank and windy everyone knows that there is a god a creator for god so loved the world that he gave his son to save the world not the world in general but those who are in the world not all will acceppt this only those who he draws will be saved. look when noah was building the ark he preached to the people and look who was saved only his family and the animals god spoke too so if the animals knew all know who he is the choice is ours to accept him and if this is true about not all has heard then why will he judge them in the end of time even satin and his demons even know who he is
  • KP on Romans 2 - 13 years ago
    One of the greatest lies from the mind of Satan is "election" according to Calvin. Don't be deceived. The Apostle Paul never taught "election" apart from the free will of man.

    The suffering endured by Jesus Christ, while on the cross, was sufficient to satisfy God the Father's demand for justice regarding the penaly of all human sin, unlimited atonement.

    Salvation is not a lifelong process. We have it in a moment. Upon faith in the work of Jesus Christ, we pass from death unto life. Spiritual life. Works are a manifestation of redemption, not a cause.

    Likewise, faith is the cause of "receiving the atonement", not a manifestation. The singular command to believe, is a nonmeritorius command. To believe is not a work. Faith is not a work. Salvation, not faith, is the gift from God.

    So, once we change our thinking(repentance) whereby we are pointed to Jesus Christ, the end of the law, and believe, we are condemned no more. Such grace is available to all, not just the "elect" according Calvin.

    Beware of false teachers who cover their lies with academic jargon which is sweet to the ears but deadly. Calvinism is good at this. Full of impressive sounding jargon, but a bed of lies.
  • Ricky G on Romans 2 - 13 years ago
    I like this chapter about GOD righteous judgment it make me think about how the times has change
    . The Fear of the LORD was greater than it is now. You see so many man with man, are girl with girls. When the word tell you not to do this cause it is a sin( ROM 1:26)( Leviticus 18:22). But it some many people who have got trick up by the ememy, are they so self righteous that they think there already in the book of life. So read this chapter and the next one too cause we have to obey GOD laws to make it to heaven. So get your house in order before it is to late, cause tommrow is not promise!!!!!!
  • Theresa on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    modette stay strong keep the faith God is there, listen with your spirit from inside and not your natural ears,God bless you in the name of Jesus. Modette your prayers are already answered just listen from inside.
  • Mike on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    This is a reply to Frank,s opion on salvation made on9/28/10 . 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

    13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    Seems like a fair choice to me.

  • Donna on 1 John 3 - 14 years ago
    REGARDING VERSES 8-10: The difference between those of mankind that are born of God, and those that are not, is that those that are not have not received Christ. Until they do, they CANNOT repent in the way of true repentance. This is why no one need repent IN ORDER to receive Christ, since one CANNOT until and unless one does, and this is why the gifts and the calling are WITHOUT repentance.

    Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

    As, it is the love and GOODNESS OF GOD in Christ that LEADS a man unto repentance.

    Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the GOODNESS OF GOD leadeth thee to repentance?
    Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
    39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the LOVE OF GOD, which is IN Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Yet, we are still all brothers in Christ, regardless of those that have not received Him from and with their hearts so that He may be IN them. As, He died for ALL, even for those who are considered to be SINNERS as we were before we recieved Him.
    ROMANS 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    2 CORINTHIANS 5:15 And that he DIED FOR ALL, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Also, while we that are born of God cannot commit sin, as far as WITH the 'mind of Christ,' which is God, and which we have, we CAN sin WITH THE FLESH, by yielding to sin, and thereby serving sin.
    ROMANS 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

    22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

    23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.



    24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then WITH the MIND I myself serve the law of God; but WITH the FLESH the law of sin.

    The MIND refered to is NOT the CARNAL mind, whch is FLESH:

    Romans 8:7 Because the CARNAL MIND is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    But the MIND of Christ, which is SPIRIT:

    Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the MIND OF CHRIST.

    Although we CAN sin, that NEW CREATURE we each are in Christ CANNOT. If we serve sin with our flesh, thereby LETTING sin have it's way, we are allowing our OWN WILL, instead of God's to take control. However, having the MIND of CHRIST, God HIMSELF gave us HIS WILL to resort to, meaning we can SAY NO to our own fleshly; carnal, will, and turn it back to the WILL of God:

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both TO WILL and to do of his good pleasure.

    That 'TO WILL' is one of the gifts of the Spirit of God, PRAISE GOD, He has made it EASY on us:


    Romans 6:12 LET NOT sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

    We are GODLY because we have RECEIVED, and have continued to LOVE, Christ, DESPITE our inclination to yield to sin, and thus we REMAIN IN Him, having our sins COVERED by His BLOOD, giving us grace, and time, to repent of any sin/s we have not yet repented of, and receive the forgiveness for, the and cleansing away, of our sins the moment we repent.

    It is BECAUSE we have received Christ, and ARE thus SPIRIT BEINGS; SPIRIT of God's Spirit; BORN of God, that we, despite our sins, are GODLY, and it is BECAUSE we are GODLY that we CAN, and, by God, we WILL repent of; CONFESS, our sins unto the LORD. Hear this Old Testament prophetic prayer that clarifies that the GODLY are inclined to sin, as far as to yield to it, and to HAVE SIN to admit to, and confess, unto the LORD. And as you read, take note that the GODLY are those that, DESPITE their sins, TRUST IN THE LORD, are BLESSED, RIGHTEOUS, UPRIGHT IN HEART, COMPASSED ABOUT WITH MERCY, AND SONGS OF DELIVERANCE, and HID in Christ, HID from the WRATH of God, as the blood of Christ covers our sins:

    PSALMS 32:2 BLESSED is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
    3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
    4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
    5 I ACKNOWLEDGED my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I WILL confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
    6 For THIS shall EVERY one that is GODLY pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
    7 Thou art my HIDING place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt COMPASS ME ABOUT with songs of DELIVERANCE. Selah.
    8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
    9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
    10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, MERCY shall COMPASS HIM ABOUT.
    11 Be glad IN the LORD, and rejoice, ye RIGHTEOUS: and shout for joy, all ye that are UPRIGHT IN HEART.

    NONE of this means that a born again child of God can serve sin, and refuse to repent, and still be saved in the end. God's Word warns us. God is a just God, warning the righteous to NOT forsake Him, and warning the unrighteous to turn unto Him.

    In the meanwhile, prior to physically dying, which if one that received Christ dies with any sins being unrepented of, then that person had to have ceased to LOVE the righteousness of God, which is Christ Jesus. And that soul will be cut off from Him:


    Colossians 1:23 If ye CONTINUE IN the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


    1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; CONTINUE IN them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

    ROMANS 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

    16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou CONTINUE in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

    Even if we yield to sin, to, at that point NEED to repent, IN ORDER TO continue in the goodness of God, it is God's GOODNESS that, at that point, LEADS us UNTO repentance.

    So, what is the problem if we serve sin, if we WILL, however eventually, repent? Well, in the meanwhile we get bombarded with lies and feelings of DOUBT that we ARE godly, righteous, blessed, etc., and we start THINKING as if we are NOT these things, and our JOY and CONFIDENCE becomes less and less. THAT is how Satan WANTS us to think and feel. But since Christ has died for our sins, Satan can NOT any longer make us his servants, and KEEP us in bondage to sin. It is NO LONGER Satan's grounds; jurisdiction; right. As, NOW, it is only WE, YOU YOUSELF, I MYSELF, that can keep us, you, me, being a servant to, in bondage to, sin, meaning we can STOP IT, REFUSE IT, by turning unto the LORD to repent, and thereby be cleansed and receive the forgiveness of God INSTANTLY, and then PROCEED to CONTINUE in obedience unto the Lord. Any time we yield to sin, the FIRST STEP before we can continue to WALK in the Lord, is down on our knees, heartfully speaking, and repent. Is NOT repenting of our sins INSTILLED in the VERY prayer that Jesus instructs us to pray DAILY?

    LUKE 11:3 Give us day by day our DAILY bread.
    4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

    When we hate sin, and are quick to repent of it, AND read; eat and drink, the Word; WORDS, of God, the less and less we are inclined to sin, as the LOVE OF GOD perfects us more and more each day.

    But, due to the danger of our continuing in sin; putting of repentance, God loves us TOO much to not deal with us here and now for our own good, not according to our sins, which the wages of is death, but in order to correct us, and keep us from the dangers of being in sin:



    1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.


    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



    Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and CHASTEN: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without CHASTISEMENT, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    ROMANS 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

    5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

    6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

    8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

    11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

    12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

    13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed
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    I will end with saying this unto all those that have received Christ; God's Word; God's RIGHTEOUSNESS, and who are therefore GODLY, RIGHTEOUS, who's righteousness is of the LORD, that, if you have sin, to date, that you have not repented of; have not acknowledged; admitted, and confessed, unto the LORD, here's the thing: You WILL. It's far better for you to not force your heavenly Father to HAVE to sorely chastise you, because He WILL if need be. And you know full well in your heart that, when it comes to where the rubber meets the road, should you be chastised of Him, you will NOT blaspheme Him as if He is unjust, or as if He does not love you (there IS no if,) but you will stand corrected, and repent of your sins before Him. So, knowing you WILL, why wait? There is no good reason to wait, and nothing but MANY good reasons to come clean NOW. Until you do, you, as far as the NEW CREATURE you are in Christ in your Innerman, has fallen asleep at the wheel so to speak, and is either in a spiritual coma, or is getting that way, and the LORD is calling you to WAKE UP! Don't you worry, if He has to SHAKE you, He will, since the longer you ignore Him, the more deaf your spiritual ears get.

    And don't believe the lies of the devil telling you 'But you messed up AGAIN, and have repeately, and God's tired of hearing you repent,...'

    As, first of all, if you are a MESS, you are your heavenly FATHER'S mess, and NONE of Satan's business whatsoever. You ARE upright, but it is Christ that is bearing you up. The moment you repent, it is embracing the One that holds you up.



    Psalms 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: NO good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.























    2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he DIED FOR ALL, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.



  • Donna on 1 John 4 - 14 years ago
    Dear Rosie, Regarding your question, 'How do I become perfect in love so that fear will no longer be part of my daily life?'

    The more you read God's Word (WORDS,) the more FAITH increases in you, along with all of the other fruits of the Spirit.

    Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    So, just read, read, read. It is the same as to EAT spiritual meat, and drink spiritual drink. It's not about just merely memorizing the scriputures, no more than is eatting for physical nourishment about memorizing how physical food tastes.

    And, daily repent of; confess, your sins unto the Lord, or if you can't think of any, ask Him to forgive you for just in case. As, to repent is a priviledge for those that have received Christ. No one CAN repent in the way of true repentance without FIRST receiving Christ. That is WHY there's no need to repent IN ORDER to answer His call, and receive Him:

    Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

    Since you HAVE received Christ, you WILL repent, because you believe and trust in God, and therefore you are BLESSED, your are GODLY, and RIGHTEOUS, and UPRIGHT, and the GOODNESS of God SURROUNDS YOU:

    Psalms 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
    (By the time the Lord is through CLEANSING us with His blood, and forgiving us, there is NO guile or any unrighteousness whatsoever! And all it takes is a moment each day, or sometimes maybe several moments.)

    Psalms 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I WILL confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

    6 For this shall EVERY ONE that is GODLY pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.

    10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.

    11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

    ONLY the GODLY will humble themselves, and bring forth the FRUIT of the mouth MEET FOR; WORTHY OF, repentance, due to true sorrow of heart; being sorry for any sin, even any we didn't mean, nor intend.

    Proverbs 12:14 A man shall be satisfied with good by the FRUIT of his mouth: and the recompence of a man's hands shall be rendered unto him.

    Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore FRUITS worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

    And it is GOD Himself that gave you the GIFT of His Spirit that makes you WILLING to repent:

    Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for TO WILL is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD which worketh in you both TO WILL and to do of his good pleasure.

    Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that HE which hath begun a good work in you WILL PERFORM perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

    If we were not inclined to sin, as to yield to it in some way, He would not command us, upon receiving Him, to ABIDE in Him, to FOLLOW AFTER Him etc... We DO abide in Him, as we continue to obey His command to love, and to confess; repent of, our sins when, or in case we, disobey Him, so we can proceed to CONTINUE in Him. And, as we do these things:

    John 15:4 ABIDE in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear FRUIT of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

    Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits MEET FOR REPENTANCE:

    Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth CONFESSION IS MADE unto salvation.

    1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and JUST TO FORGIVE us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    2 Corinthians 7:10 For GODLY sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

    Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the GOODNESS OF GOD leadeth thee to repentance?

    Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt BE CONDEMNED.

    As we repent of; confess, our sins daily, we KNOW we are then CLEAN, and up and ready to CONTINUE to WALK in Him, UN-defeated!

    So, all we need do is to BELIEVE, RECEIVE, SAY, SPEAK, CONFESS, God's Word unto us, as we read it. And He has A WORD for EVERYTHING good unto us:

    Psalms 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: NO good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

    He even instilled 'repenting of sin' in the very prayer He instructs us to pray daily:

    Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be your name.

    10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    11 Give us this day our DAILY bread.

    12 And FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS, as we forgive our debtors.

    13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

    14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

    Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    As you remember to repent, TAKE JOY, in reading, and confessing, God's Word, unTO you, as for what you are, and have, in Christ, in God, by faith. And that faith will become manifested, as God, by His Spirit, will PERFORM His Words that you confess by faith, and perfect you more and more each day:

    Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which WORKETH BY LOVE.

    Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba,
    Father.

    1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

    1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because GREATER IS HE that is in you, than he that is in the world.

    2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

    1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not MADE PERFECT IN LOVE.

    1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is PERFECTED in us.

    Romans 13:10 LOVE WORKS NO ILL to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love DWELLETH IN GOD, and God in him.



    Psalms 118:6 The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?

    Hebrews 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.



    2 Kings 17:39 But the LORD your God ye shall fear; and he shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.

    Psalms 145:19 He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them.

    Proverbs 10:24 The fear of the wicked, it shall come upon him: but the desire of the righteous shall be granted.










































  • ELy Day on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    Dear Frank,

    You have brought some scriptures from the Bible, good. But I would say becareful, with your interpretation you disqualify yourself from Salvation, if that you apply just for you, it will be not too bad but when you teach somebody that's is a different situation and here in this Chapter God warn us, that is the reason that I would like to reason with you. God has loved us so much that He did not spear the life of His Son (You just imagin that) and Jesus The Lord said I came to do the will of God my Father so All families of the earth can be blessed and Jesus said I came here for the sick sinners and not for the one does not need the doctor, can you say? you see He did not come for the good ones, No, He came for all, an opprotunity to choice. You mention that God is just but at the same time you put examples that to me shows that God is not just, how?, But it is unquestionable that God is Just!, you say He will save just what He wills and it is not our will to be saved; imagine both of us we will to be saved we are both very bad or we both very good and willing, assuming you are chosen, although you conform of not being chosen,how can I say God was just?, to my carnal mind not, the Truth is we can not judge God because many has fallen believing to be right they were wrong. The point is, it is not profitable your point disqualify yourself and disqualify others, like saying who care, it doesn't matter what I do or let's do anything that we may be saved. Still as a free will being we got the option to choice and by doing all with love we will be saved by faith through His Son Jesus Christ who died for all of us, if by Adam we were found on Sin what more by the life of His Son all will be saved if you believe

  • Frank on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    Windy,

    You ask a good question; what about the souls that have not heard about God how does God judge them? There is not doubt that there are those through our history of time have never heard of God. Now as God has said in His Word the Bible He has put the knowledge of God in every mans heart, so man is in excusable in the fact of knowing there is a God. The problem lies in which many do not understand is that we (man) are dead spiritually because of our sin. We are just as a dead corpse that is laid to rest we have no life (spiritually). For that dead corpse to come to life it needs what? Life. The corpse can not gain life on its on it must have life put within it, just as Lazarus lay dead 3 days in the tomb until Jesus came and told him to come forth. Lazarus was dead no life but God put life back in him so he was once again alive. So here in lies the dilemma for man we are alive physically but we are all born dead spiritually, so how does a dead spiritually but alive physically person find God. The teachings of today say that man must accept Jesus Christ as there Savior, that is all well in good but if we are dead spiritually how do we accept a Holy God? We have no spiritual life with in us. The scriptures tell us that �No man has seek after God, there is none righteous no not one� so if no man has seek God how does man find Him? For with out God man is eternally lost for he will wonder in his sin until physical death takes place. God had a plan to save souls but it is Gods plan not ours, salvation is all placed on the ability of God not the ability of man to chose or accept or earn merit through good works, salvation is totally in the working of God and is given to man as God sees fit. John 6:37 �all that the Father gives me will come to me, and the ones who comes to me I will by no means cast out.� John 6:44 �No man cometh to me unless the Father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up at the last day.� So who is it that does the work is it man that comes to God? No, it is God that draws or gives to Jesus those that Jesus will raise up in the last day, and �ALL� that are given will come to Jesus and not be cast out. So we start to see that salvation is not universal as taught today and mans choice but it is Gods choice to save who He will. Read Eph. Chapter 1 as God speaks of whom He foreknew and predestinated to salvation it is the elect of God. Who are the elect those God draws to His Son Jesus who will in no wise be cast out. So is salvation our choice? No, its Gods see Rom. Ch. 9 for God has the right to make vessels unto honor and dishonor for God is the creator it is His choice not ours. So in answer to your question, �how does God judge them that have not heard� When salvation is in the hands of God not man, God is not accountable or held responsible because someone has not heard, for God will save all those He has chosen to save. For those that have heard and deny it or those who have never heard and die they are not saved, they will face the judgment of God and they will not enter in to eternal rest in heaven. So what will happen to them, well God is very merciful to man the just and unjust so those that perish with out being born again will simply never exist again. I don�t have time or room here to teach on hell and the wrong teaching there has been on that. If man had a choice in salvation the teaching on hell today would make sense but God is a just God and since man has no part in His salvation why would God condemn a person to hell fire if he had no option or choice to be saved. So God is fair and just and the unsaved will just cease to exist. Hope this helped.
  • Judith on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    It's understandable how many become distressed when a marriage "seems" to be on the rocks. However, the focus must always be God's perspective on marriage. It IS to reflect Chirst's love for the church: Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, AND gave himself for it." Marriage is much more than a horizontal relationship between the two one-flesh spouses. It is also a vertical and a reflection for the world to undertand the love of Jesus: unconditional forgiveness; a lifetime of commitment to honor those typical wedding vows: for better, for worse; in sickenss and in health until death us do part. The focus must be on the Word of God and NOT on the spouse who may be exhibiting ungodly behaviour.
  • Modette on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    Right now its helping me not to judge when i'm wanting to bring harm to someone who has hurt me. I have been Reborn for two years still trying to understand how to keep my eyes on God instead of Man. My life as a Christian is up and down but i remain in the Fight. Just when i'm at peace the enemy comes to destroy me through my marriage. Wanting out but not turning away from what God says. I keep praying for me to hear Him speak to me.
  • Mild Bill on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    Windy,

    You must first trust that God is just in all that he does. Any behavior less than perfect would disqualify him from being Almighty God. In the story of Jonah, God spares the city of Nineveh (those without the law)for their repentance and adds that there are also 120,000 people there who cannot discern their right from their left. It is believed by myself and many others that God is referring to children. Today, the Holy Spirit is in the world and at work in the hearts of people pertaining to matters of sin, righeousness and judgement. We may be limited as to the number of people we communicate with in our lifetime, God isn't. Scripture is absolutely clear that "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". "There is none righteous, no, not one." If we liken the trip to heaven as a swim to Hawaii from California. We can easily understand that even the best swimmer will drown before getting there. We need someone to take us there and that has been provided for us in the person of Jesus. He alone was free of sin and his death is acceptable payment to God for our sin. Of course, you have probably already heard this. For you and countless others there is no room to hide behind the excuse of those we suspect/belive have not heard. God is able to reveal himself to whomever he pleases and oftimes we assume people haven't heard from God. Try broaching the subject of knowing God with other people and you will find that his person has been considered by everyone, wether for good or bad. Even the fool " hath said in his heart, there is no God".
  • Windy Brazier on Romans 2:12 - 14 years ago
    I do not understand about souls that haven't had the opportunity to learn about God, and I would like to have some scripture to how God judge souls that have not hear about Him.
  • Mike on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    Man has always done what seemed right in his own eyes but all have fallen short of Gods salvation. Without holiness no man shall see God. Also read Rom.3. The perfect righteousness of Christ is thrust upon us to never leave when we place our hope and trust completely in Him.
  • Ramos , Tadeu on Romans 2 - 14 years ago
    I'm brasilian;for me, romans 2:11-15,talk about salvation for people that never listen about JESUS CHRIST or GOD.THe law writhen in their hearts;the people,which haven't the law,do by the things contained in the law,these,having not the law,are law unto themselves (14).
    For those,gentiles,that unknow about JESUS or GOD.


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