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I noticed in verse 6 that Manasses is mentioned as one of the tribes, YET the tribe of Dan is not included. Was Manasseh not a son of Joseph, rather than a son of Jacob Israel? Was it a misprint?

Hunger and thirst now is a blessing that draws us ti Him. Though He is our satisfaction when we stand before Him, we 'll still need to be guided to the fountain of living water which is Our Shepherd

Somehow the seals, the four angels holding back the winds and then the trumpets are all connected... As if one were amplifying and explaining the other

Part 2 NENE. Now James is addressed to the twelve tribes. See verse 1. We know that there is a doctrinal change after Philemon because there is a distinguishing of Jews and gentiles again. Hence the twelve tribes. Under Paul's church age doctrine, there is no difference when you are saved Gal 3:28. James is addressed doctrinally to the Jews in the tribulation. See Revelation 7:4 for example. Now the Bible can 't contradict so we read in James 2:14 that justification is by works then in Romans 3:24,4:24, and 5:1 Justification by faith. Which is it? Paul is our spokesman for today Rom 11:15,16:4, 1Tim 2:7,2 Tim 1:11,2:7,etc. So for the church age justification is by faith alone Eph 2:8-9. After the church is caught out 1 Thess 4:16-18 the Holy Spirit will again deal much like the O.T. and salvation can be lost again and one must endure to be saved. See Matt 24:13, Heb 3:6,14, etc. You don 't have to endure to be saved in the church age, Christ will make sure you endure 1 Cor 1:8 and you are sealed Eph 1:18,4:30. Hope this helps.

Motdaugrand 's is this what you were thing of? Revelation 7:1-41 And after these things, I saw foure Angels standing on the foure corners of the Earth, holding the foure windes of the earth, that the winde should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.2 And I saw another Angel ascending from the East, hauing the seale of the liuing God: and he cried with a loud voice to the foure Angels to whom it was giuen to hurt the earth and the Sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till wee haue sealed the seruants of our God in their foreheads.4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundreth and fourty and foure thousand, of all the tribes of the children of Israel

It doesn't make sense if you believe in a Post Tribulation Rapture, to be caught up in the air with Christ just to turn around and come back down?

I believe that without these promises of salvation people would be overwhelmed by the evil to come. This keeps hope alive.

Jevon the 144,000 are sealed after antichrist is here on earth. Then when they realize it 's not the true Christ they turn away. It won 't be hard to see when the elect are delivered up and the Holy Spirit speaks through them. Many will turn away from worshipping instead of Christ when they realize the truth that it is a deception and it 's just Satan wanting to be a god. Don 't bow down to any one until that 7th trump sounds and Jerusalem is hit with hail stones and flatten. The false Christ will be here 2 and a half months out of the 5 that it was shorten to for the elect sake.

I believe,these great multitude are those who are faithful in their daily living with our Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit.AMEN.

I understand that they who receive a mark of a man will receive the mark of GOD in their forehead. These 12 tribes were not seal at the same time, they were sealed according to the strength of their soul in each tribe. For example Judah conquered his brothers in strenght, for the spirit of might was with him. Rueben was the tribe seal, just as Israel said in his blessing, he is excellent in strength and power. Gad was the third person to be seal. Gad was the first born of a firstborn twin. However, Joseph who suppose to be seal fifth took sixth for his son Manasseh. Manasseh is a separate tribe of Israel but he took the strength of his father that is why he was sealed sixth. Ephraim however represents Joseph as explained in the book of Ezekiel. Dan was left out according to his testimony. What I want to know is if these men will be with GOD after death like the death of Moses or if they will ever experience death because chapter 7 says the sun will not light on them nor any heat, so I am thinking these 144,000 will be with JEHOVAH.

The Word of Almighty God, and Christ in MT 24 speaks clearly that the Saints will be gathered in a time of great suffering during the tribulation period. We the believers in the Word of God must be prepared to "Endure to the end. " In any case He will come as a thief in the night, therfore WATCH, remain vigilent and expectant for His return. WATCH!

I take the Bible literally and believe it word for word. When I was a young boy and I was scared at night and felt that there was evil around, a white Angel used to appear like a white light in the shape of an Angel and would move back and forth on the wall over my bed until I would fall asleep. I have always tried to do the right thing in my heart and have always helped other people in need but I do not have patience for people who are mean. I know our God is an all knowing God, and who knows what is in your heart. The people that run our country and deceive the American people will have to deal with our God as he is now on his way here and hiding underground will not protect them as our God will seek them out as he seeks the truth in all of us. I love our God and his son Jesus Christ our lord.

Shelly there is no church or article for church in Revelation 4 and the subject isn 't churches except if you call the election which is the only true church of God because they know Satan comes looking just like Jesus Christ the Lamb but he comes as instead of Christ, meaning antichrist and all the churches chase after him and the election try to turn them away from chasing him when the Holy Spirit speaks through them. All are changed at the 7th trump and Christ will only show up at the 7th trump. All go through the test because if you look up the elect, the set a side ones you will find out the word is church and the church stands against Satan and the rest of the churches that teach another doctrine other than the truth will chase the devil.

I understand that the Elders in Rev.4 verse 9 11 shows the church seated on thrones and they have crowns rewards to lay at Gods feet. This shows us that before the Tribulation begins the church is already in Heaven and the Bema Judgement has already happened. I understand that the 144,000 are Jews who have been filled with the Holy Spirit Pentecost. From all 12 tribes of Israel, not the church. I understand that the multitude that no one could count holding Palm branches are the Tribulation Saints who were killed for faith in Jesus. I also understand that because they are holding Palm branches , this must be during the Feast of Tabernacles.

Now as far as the rapture is concerned. Part of the rapture people think they will fly straight way, united. But then now there are some who think that they will witness first and then fly? I will tell you the truth, IT 'S NOT IN THE BIBLE! God knows how to spell rapture and He told you in Ezekiel 13 18 and on He hates those who teach the fly to save your own souls. Go with God and start knowing that you will be here with gospel armour on and try to get it in place in learning Satan comes looking like the Lamb in peace and he will love them that want to fly caus he will be telling them gather around me and we will fly away.

Rev. 7 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. This prophecy has been changed as it stands four tribes in Israel have lost part or all of their inheritance, with the exception of Manasseh whose portion now doubles in size, in a time when men required a sign. We know Moses led the thirteen tribes of Israel out of Egypt which carried the bones of Joseph to the land that God had promised their Father Abraham. Josephs inheritance being double Gen 48 5 And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine. This was done for Josephs service to God. Gen 48 14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim 's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh 's head, guiding his hands wittingly for Manasseh was the firstborn. Gen 48 19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. So how in Rev. 7 could Ephraim and Dan be put out of their land? Is this the hand of God that stays the waters or the quill in the hand of man who writes of martyr s? In 7 Levi lost his share the greatest share of all. Deut. 10 9 Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren the LORD is his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him. But now to be listed among ten of his brethren Joseph being one his twelve thousand must come from the loins of Manasseh. The 144,000 are like unto the men in the days of Kings, men who have not bow their knee to Baal. How can your faith move mountains when you can t believe what you see with your own eyes? Rev.22 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Muhammad knows if he is related to Ephraim who is truly greater than his brother, The Christian nation will raise up with their bible saying look here at Rev. 7 Createanonymous THE END

Ovary the Church,the set a side ones,the election will remain here on earth as well with all the world up until the end of the hour of temptation when all will change at the same time when Christ returns. Satan comes looking like,acting like, the Lamb of God but he is instead of Christ or antichrist and the time period was shorten for the elect sake in Revelation ch. 9 5 and 9 10, twice it was said so you would know it 's 5 months. 2an a half Satan will be here, if delivered up don 't fight just go and when questioned blank your mind.

Carol one third will turn away from Satan. Most likely when the ones that are called are delivered up and the Holy Spirit speaks through them the 144,000 will turn away and if they had studied their Bible will already be prepared so they won 't buy or sell for that 2 and a half months Satan is acting as Christ the Lamb of God but is the dragon Satan.

Thanks all for your nice contribution with regard to Rev 7 14 and its connection with the rapture. Mathew 24 20 22. If you also read ISAIAH 26 20 2. It becomes clear that, the tribulation will start before the rapture then our Loard Jesus will come to pick those who received him as their Savior. However, there is another school of thought that the church shall not witness tribulation. The church must have left before this bad time. Kindly educate us with regard to this timing? Thanks and Godbbless you all in advance

Can someone help me if the church will witness the tribulation before the rapture according to Rev 7 14? If yes for how many years and will it be affected as well? Minzi from Tanzania

It sounds like the church will witness the tribulation before the rapture. However they will not ge victims of the tribulation since they are marked with the blood of Jesus. Then they will be taken in heaven before coming back to rule with Jesus for 1000 years. That is what I think. Minzi frlm Tanzania

In verse 4 to 8 it tell the names of the 12 tribes, but it leaves out Dan and replaces him with Manasses. What happened to Dan and who is manasses?

The 144,000 are Gods elect because they fought against Satan when he rebelled in the first heaven and earth ages. when the katabolt occurred. Satan did not want to be the chereb that protected the mercy seat. He wanted to be god so he turned aginst God and by doing so he managed to take with him one quarter of Gods children with him.So 144,000 thousand souls was with God and fought with Satan and his.God knows who they are and he knows that they are truly his people because they fought aginst Satan in the first heaven and earth ages Satan is the only one in the Bible that God has named to burn from ashes within. Just remember we were created with free will.

the four angels were put on the corner of each side of the earth to hold back all the darkness and evil that satan wants to unleash on upon the earth. but they will stop protecting the earth once the rapture happens and God The Lord Jesus Christ comes for his people the church and everyone that believed in him. since we are living in the time of grace period era where God 's grace and mercy is on us. there are seven dispensation ages and the time of grace is the sixth one the one we are living in this modern time. study the bible ask god for wisdom and understanding and he will reveal his word to you. fast and pray as well it helps you understand his word alot.

Revelation does the summery of the revelator,having seen Gods people sealed .it also tells us that some saints will pass tribulution but christ will crown them with white robe which shows victory.there wiil be no tears at all

You can 't take what the Bible says and make it mean what you want it to. The 144,000 of virgins Jews males, read Chapter 14. virgin Jews males who have not been defiled by woman. The ones in the last half of the chapter are the saints who were beheaded in the great tribulation. To come out of something, you must have first been in it There is no rapture that was a lie started by Margaret McDonald in the 1830 's. Look her up! The pre tribulations rapture has only been taught for 184 years. No disciple ever taught it. Jesus himself never did, that was a lie. In fact in John 17 Jesus is praying to God and says concerning us "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest protect them from the Evil " We are not leaving here!

Question?are all believers aka christians servants. Of God.it say in Rev7v3 The servants of God are sealed in their forehead. Ezek 9v4 is a parallel scripture from this you may conclude that the people who are praying against all the evil in the world are servants. Jesus also gave another example using servants.MaT25v14. Luke19v12

Revelation 7 verse 9 is the raptured church, verse 14 "these are they which came out of great tribulation " or the tribulation.

The more I study and read the less faith I have in religion. I believe in God but I don 't think he is the God of Wrath and a God that wants me on my knees praying for my salvation. I believe God is love and want us to love the world and the people he created. People of power re wrote the Bible for their own needs. Sorry there are no favorite people of God and their is no religion that is the gateway to Heaven. There is God and nothing else. Religion is a man made tool. Do you really think of all the religions of the world,your religion is the right and only right one?

The reason why 144,000 people are going to be saved is because first they have repented and accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Second, these people didn 't go back to their sinful ways and followed God 's commandments. How many people has done just that? Third is the materialistic wealth. Please read what Jesus said about material wealth. Just because people are Christians that does not mean we have followed Jesus instructions in the Bible. It is a challenge for people living in what we call as modern times. God 's promise is always there. It is simply up to us to either become people of this world or become God 's people. God has already sent all his prophets to guide us and warn us.