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  • Donald Duggan on Revelation 13 - 2 years ago
    In Daniel 7 there are 4 beasts, if you count the heads and the horns you will get 7 heads and 10 horns. This is a pagan religious system that will influence the world the first half of the tribulation. This beast is worse than the other 3 because it has all in it. The Roman empire is the 4th but in 538 AD the holy Roman empire took over. Nobody was allowed to have any copy of any sort of Gods word or you could face death. They also had the authority to choose who would be the leader of a country. This stayed in play until 1798 when Napoleon captured the pope and put a stop to it. they ruled that way for 1260 years. So the 1260 days is actually 1260 years and that was the wound to the head. In 1923 the holy Roman empire was given a seat at the UN. It was this group when translating his name Yeshua they called him Iesous then later the English put a J on it. They changed the sabbath to Sunday instead of Saturday and created 100s of images of the sun god. Alot of people do this anyway.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Exodus 24 - 2 years ago
    Jacqui:

    The first verse in Revelation tells us that Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ, so the beast is not technology.

    The prophecies have the answers to Revelation and all the symbols.

    Daniel 7:17 These great beast, which are four, are four kings .....

    Daniel 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast ......

    Daniel 7:23 ....the forth beast shall be the forth kingdom on the earth .....

    Daniel 7:22 Until the ancient of days (Christ) come ......

    Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John, since that time the KINGDOM of God (the forth kingdom on earth) is preached, and every man PRESSES INTO IT.

    The beast in Revelation is the Kingdom of God .....CHRIST IN YOU .....

    Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his (the beast, the kingdom of God) heads as it were wounded to death (Christ died on the cross); and his deadly wound was healed (Christ was resurrected), and all the world wondered after the beast (the kingdom of God).

    God Bless You.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 10 - 2 years ago
    There is a sort of universal theme in this Psalm about asking where God is; as can be applied to David's life but more likely referring to times of exile. It also has overtones with the end times.

    The verse about not being moved (v. 6) along with the statement "I shall never be in adversity" surely reminds us of Revelation 18:7; as well as with Jeremiah 5:12 and the false prophets.

    Verse 11 reminds us as well of other passages when man reasons that God won't see what is going on (see Isaiah 49:14). Finally; verse 15 is also related to the Antichrist; as see in Zechariah 11:17 on the foolish shepherd along with; of course Revelation 13:3.

    Verse 16 to 18 shows how wicked are removed; he meek inherit the earth; and God remembers the fatherless and oppressed (v. 18). Verse 12 to 14 further illustrate how God does provide for the needs of the poor and fatherless. (see Matthew 5:5).

    All the concern about the poor being hunted down in verses 6 through 11 may be a reflection of David's humble beginnings and sufferings early on; that allowed compassion in his heart.

    These scriptures; of course also are words the Spirit of God is speaking through David and is an encouragement to us and the glorious future for His people.
  • Georgie - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The beast, the dragon and the antichrist tare Satan, it's his unholy trinity, Satan is the great imitator imitating God throughout the centuries in the the most egregious way, it's mockery. 2 Corinthians 11:14 , Revelation 20:10 , 1 Peter 5:8 , 1 John 4:1 , Revelation 13:4 ,

    Babylon the great is deception, confusion, the confusion which people spread: Revelation 17:1 Come hither; I will shew to thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many peoples.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 13 - 2 years ago
    Revelation 13.

    This is it. All the cards; so to speak are out on the table. There is no more pretense; hiding behind images that appeal to sensual thoughts; or the solace of contemplative meditation in quiet shrines; or any such nonsense mixing Christ in whatever flavor suits the sage; teacher; wise men or prophets of any religion. This is THE image of the Antichrist; no doubt inspired by the injury as described in Zech 11:17. This deadly wound could involve a real death with the beast coming out of the pit as the king of the Abyss ( Rev. 9:11) at the 5th Trumpet earlier now possessing the body of the man who was given a deadly wound. No doubt this appears as a Resurrection and since it is right before the death and resurrection of the 2 Prophets it reinforces his indestructibility (verse 4).

    Now we see the blasphemy that repeatedly describes not only Antichrist; but his followers as the bowl judgments commence. Now the saints are overcome (V. 7 also stated in Dan. 7:21).

    The time frame according to v. 5 is limited; but verse 8 indicates ALL not written in the Book of Life worship him.

    Verse 11 to verse 17 shows the False Prophet doing miracles just like Elijah did before he was killed and raise up. The miracles convince people to worship the beast healed (v. 14) from the deadly wound; and to take the infamous mark along with worshipping the Beast's image.

    Notice these actions and "wonders" are all done by the False Prophet himself on BEHALF of the Beast. The last verse has the famous "666 or Six hundred threescore and six" number; either signifying in Greek the letters of the name of Anchrist; or his characteristic of being short of God's perfection (777) a sort of "unholy trinity". I surmise it is a DNA alteration making one be as Nephilim; supposedly immortal like the Beast; and hence like the angels NOT redeemable with the blood of Christ for men. There won't be much food left for those who do take it; and those who don't will soon be martyrs.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I once again respond with Revelation 13:8 as to those who worship the Beast. This is a predetermined outcome. The restrainer is removed; but that clearly doesn't mean the Holy Spirit in its entirety (lest the call for true worship be in vain). We have reverted to the "signs and wonders" type of manifestation; and prophecy (in light of the 2 witnesses being allowed whenever they wish to bring plagues as Moses and Aaron were enabled to do as well as Elijah in his first ministry). The church is gone and probably certain gifts there as well. The only church will be the false one that is a corporate entity. The clearest reason for this is as I stated previously; certainly by the sixth seal there is no more need to preach the Gospel as it is now; since everyone will know about God and the Son; so a PROCLAMATION OF THE KINGDOM is given. It is not LOVING the truth that 2 Thessalonians warns about.

    It is interesting that we agree on the lukewarm Christians and their fate here. I tend to look at it backwards from normal logic; that once all the distractions as to the calling and producing fruit are gone (after the Rapture) that these individuals will finally live in the Spirit even as they are dying physically. Their identity in Christ right now is choked out; they likely are fearing death greatly; and are being held captive against their will (i.e. the life of Christ within them) because besetting sins have been strangling their growth. Persecution and martyrdom; consequently will be a great release; and there is not going to be an issue there for those who have Christ in this type of sacrifice. Again; it seems somehow that the sounding of the 7th Trumpet the "mystery" will be complete which I would say is the end of the church age.

    It seems the 144,000 are translated (as they aren't mentioned with those under the altar). It seems that those not taking the mark are part of a later group or the great multitude. Anyway; thanks for your input.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    In Genesis 1:24-31, some people point out man being made on the 6th day. If you will notice the "beast" was made in the "sixth day" also.

    Revelation 13:18,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Jesse - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Loriann,

    Whoever " REVELATION 13:18 STUDY HELPS" is, they have shared some good things. I would like to just piggyback on what has already been shared with some things I have learned.

    Revelation 13:18, Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    Now you probably know that there are books by the millions out there adding up people's names, putting numerical equivalence to alphabet numbers, and adding up people's names to be six hundred and sixty-six. This has been going on for a long time.

    But from everything I read in Revelation Chapter 13, what I see is that it is telling us that there is Satan's trinity, (if you would). The dragon, the antichrist, and the false prophet are the shadows of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

    Here is what I am seeing: Let him that understands count the number of the beast, (and notice this): For it is the number of man, not "a man," not "the man," just man.

    Adam was created on the sixth day. Six is the number that is one less than perfection or completeness. So all the way through scripture it was the number of man. Man was created by God, but he falls short of completeness because he's a sinner. He says for it is the number of man; and his number is 666, not six hundred and sixty-six.

    You see, it's the number six three times. It's the number of man, and each six stands for one of the three in Satan's trinity. It doesn't add up to six hundred and sixty-six. It's six three times! And that's the number that a person must take to function in the one world government that's about to come to pass here on the earth.
  • REVELATION 13:18 STUDY HELPS - In Reply - 2 years ago
    What does Revelation 13:18 mean? [ See verse text ]

    Speculation about the meaning of the number 666, the number of the beast, has been intriguing but futile. Some individuals have assigned a numeric value to the letters of the alphabet and applied the values to names. Political figures, popes, and dictators have been subject to such a numeric system. It's important to remember that there are only so many numerals-only ten, in fact-and only so many letters in any given alphabet. Given enough time and creativity, almost any name can be connected or manipulated into some connection with 666.

    Other possibilities abound. Some are more obscure, and unlikely, than others. Ezra 2:13 gives the number of descendants of Adonikam as 666. Because "Adonikam" means "the lord who rises up" or "lord of the enemy," a few interpreters suggest the beast who rises from the earth will bear the name Adonikam. The mathematical value of 6x6x6 is 216, leading some to believe that this number, not "six hundred and sixty six" will be the "number of the name" of the beast.

    In reality, no one knows exactly what 666 means. We can only draw on basic concepts to understand some of its implications. For example, 6 is one short of 7, which is the biblical number of perfection. The number 6 represents imperfection and is therefore man's number. God is perfectly holy-thrice holy-as the seraphim of Isaiah's vision proclaim. They called to one another, "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts" ( Isaiah 6:3). Repeating this three times emphasizes its absolute nature. By contrast, imperfect man is unholy, unholy, unholy: 6-6-6.

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  • Laird on Revelation 13 - 2 years ago
    Notice that what is worshipped in ch. 13 is the image of a seven headed and ten horned beast referenced in verse one. Not a devil incarnated man! It could well be that the last verse of this chapter is saying that the number of the beast is simply a number that was developed by a man. And nowhere in this chapter or in the whole book of the Revelation is the beast referred to, described, or worshipped as an incarnated devil-man. My speculation is that the beast is the devil behind pagan idol republic and the great whore that rides the beast are the banksters that control the republics that control the world.
  • OLD MAN WILSON - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sister GiGi:

    I believe what Sister Suze was saying, Peter and most others, even today, don't UNDERSTAND: the SWORD was the WORD, not a metal blade.

    But he was going to show them a miracle by healing the man's ear, and when the Holy Spirit came upon them, they would remember and UNDERSTAND.

    THIS IS A PARABLE:

    Luke 22:36 And he said unto them, But now (TODAY is the day), he that hath a purse, let him now take it, and like wise his script: and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garments, AN BUY ONE.

    THIS IS A PARABLE:

    Revelation 13:16 And he (the SWORD, the WORD, the Holy Ghost) CAUSED ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (the SPIRIT of TRUTH) in their fight hand, or in their forehead.

    Revelation 3:18 I counsel of thee, TO BUY OF ME .....

    Revelation 13:1 And that NO MAN might BUY or SELL (the Kingdom of God), save he had the MARK (CHRIST IN YOU), or the NAME (Christ in You) of the BEAST (the forth kingdom, the kingdom of God: Daniel 7:23), or the number or HIS NAME (Christ in you).

    God Bless YOU.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Galatians 6 - 2 years ago
    Hey John,

    This is my understanding, please study and let the Holy Spirit help you come to your understanding.

    The people in Thessalonica were questioning things and had concerns about the second coming of Jesus. Paul, in first and second Thessalonians, was responding to Timothy's report on the church there. In 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul told them that Jesus would not return until two things happened "for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;".

    What is this falling away, apostasia; meaning defection, revolt, to leave, or depart? To be one of the two things that Paul lists that will happen before Jesus returns it must be of a large scale, not some gradual departure.

    In Revelation 3:10 there is the hour of temptation that will come on all the world. In 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 and for this cause God shall send them strong delusion. God will not keep us from being tempted but keep us by giving us the strength in our faith not to surrender to it. This temptation comes upon all the world including the believers in Christ if we are still alive, if we are living, we will face this, Revelation 13:9-15

    Jesus said these words, Matt. 10,16 Mark 8 and Luke 9, Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it, to me fits this very time that is coming.

    Romans 8:17-18 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

    "Here is the patience and the faith of the saints".

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Suze - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 2 years ago
    Please tell us !
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 2 years ago
    Nelson Walters has a teaching with maps on his youtube channel. There's a whole lot of confusion on it.

    I was less confused when I searched MAHDI. Don't linger there ok? Or "like" anything. Why am I banned, and YouTube allows them to blaspheme God and America?

    We need to know the depth of the hatred and not be deceived. The tree is known by its fruit.

    Some Palestinians are saved and looking for Jesus. That's why I said what I did about the fruit.
  • Pansy Blackwell on Revelation 13 - 2 years ago
    The antichrist destroys the seventh nation. Can you guess what nation that is? They are in the news media, all the time. They are three nations, in one.
  • Daniel - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen Juarez. The problem is, many in the modern church haven't read Daniel or about Bible prophesy well. The "no rapture" or "the rapture is simply the 2nd coming" even replacement theology which is like a plague in this discussion all come from heretic doctrines.

    One of the strongest proofs of a Pretribulation Rapture is the event of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet in Daniel 9:27 and then again by the Jesus Himself in Matthew 25:15. This is the event when the Antichrist will claim to be god from the temple in Jerusalem, and demand that the world worship him or be killed. From this blasphemous event, it will be exactly 3 1/2 years until the Lord's SECOND COMING ( 2nd Thessalonians 2:4).

    Since the Bible plainly states that no man knows WHEN the Rapture will occur ( Matthew 25:13), we must conclude that it will be a Pretribulation Rapture, because we DO KNOW it will be exactly 3 1/2 years between the abomination of desolation and the SECOND COMING.

    1st Thessalonians 4:14-18, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

    All Christians will be removed from the earth at the Rapture. However, the Bible teaches that sinners will be saved after the Rapture, during the Tribulation Period ( Revelation 7:14). We read in the Book of Revelation that the Beast will make war against the saints ( Revelation 13:7). These will be people saved during the 7-year Tribulation.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Psalms 55 - 2 years ago
    We need to keep in mind that even the elect would be decieved IF IT WERE POSSIBLE ( Matthew 24:24). God knows who are His own ( 2 Tim. 2:19). Man may make a determination who is a "saint"; although even the paltry hundreds the Catholic church honors are at times cherry picked to be "desainted".

    We need to look carefully at such passages as the parable of the sower and the seeds. It gives us understanding that only those who persevere unto the end ( Matthew 24:13 near the other verse I quoted earlier) will be saved. What I hadn't considered until more recently is the reality that ALL (wheat and tares) start off in the same position; there is an immediate response to the gospel; then trials of this life along with temptations. His children ultimately will endure until fruit is produced; the tares will not.

    It is sobering to know that even now true believers have 1 Cor 10:13 to stand on. The tares are unaware of their own true state. They may ascribe privledge as an advantage to following Christ as Lot's wife or Judas Iscariot illustrates. There are all sorts of reasons (personal pride; social status; self righteousness) that motivate some to continue to attend church and fellowship when their hearts are not truly in it.

    A sobering passage to further verify that there is no hope for those tares is in Revelation 13:8. Satan is the god of this world and not only are all in sin and enemies of God without the cross; but if left behind will take the mark of the Beast. And that will be AFTER worshipping his image. Those who are forced to take the mark or die and refuse will be the Tribulation saints.

    These verses also show us that even now we need to proclaim boldly the truth of Christ ( Matthew 10:32). Only God can give us this strength; a bitter lesson Peter had to learn in scripture.

    These are dark days; and often those who call themselves believers are the most difficult to be around. May you continue to shine forth as salt and light.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Bro dan,

    When in Matthew 24 the apostles asked Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the world (age) the first thing Jesus said was "Take heed that no man deceive you". I agree with you the rapture theory as taught is a big deception.

    My understanding, 1 Thessalonians 4 along with Daniel 9:27 and parts of Mathew 24 and other scripture taken out of context has been used to create this theory of being taken out and up to heaven to be spared the great tribulation. The wrath of God and the great tribulation is wrongfully considered to be the same. The comfort in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 is they can be comforted they will not keep those who have died from resurrection day.

    Paul tells us in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Jesus will not return until after these two things happen. In this same chapter, in context of the end times God sends a strong delusion and the reason for it, in verses 8-12. My understanding, this points to Revelation 3:10 and also Revelation 13:11-16. God said He will keep us from this temptation that is coming not from being killed, the death of this flesh body. Our hope is eternal life not this corruptible flesh life.

    There will be some that survive this time that is coming but we see in Revelation 13:7-10 and other scripture most will not. It is taught that this gathering of the saints Jesus takes us to heaven but scripture does not support that, I have not found one bible verse that says we ever go to heaven but the bible does say we will reign on earth and God will dwell with us and we will be His people, Revelation 21:3.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • ELB - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 2 years ago
    Sister Suze:

    Revelation 8:9 And the THIRD PART of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the THIRD PART of the SHIPS were destroyed.

    Psalms 104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, which thou hast made to play therein.

    Isaiah 27:1 In that the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword (the word of God) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan, that crooked serpent, and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

    Revelation 13:10 And he that leadeth into captivity, shall go into captivity, and he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.

    Revelation 20:4 .....and the souls (mines of flesh) that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus .....

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Jesse:

    In a nut shell: All the WORDS were spoken, and the WORKS were finished before the foundation of the world.

    Hebrews 4:10 For he that has entered into his rest, hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

    Hebrews 4:3 ....the works WERE FINISHED from the foundation of the world.

    Revelation 13:8 .....slain BEFORE the foundation of the world.

    Everyone has been given the gift of being a heir to God.

    All this is being played out in God's appointed time.

    I AM the beginning and the end.

    I AM the FIRST (born) and the LAST (born).

    All preordained to be conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS SON.

    The WHOLE world is in TRAVAIL, as a Woman getting ready to GIVE BIRTH.

    You must be BORN AGAIN, into the likeness of Christ.

    You are a FINISHED WORK, you are just being brought to TRUTH.

    My people perish for lack of knowledge.

    This is the GOSPEL, all the works of God. GRACE

    Man has no part in these works; man is the HEIR of the works of GRACE.

    John 4:23 Now the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    If Christ DIED for the WORLD, and RECONCILED all things TO HIM.

    To say different, that it's up to man, is not worshipping the Father in spirit and truth.

    God Bless YOU!
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    Who is the BEAST?

    The next important question is who is I, is it the writer, who wrote the words, or is it Christ who spoke the words.

    This study is going to take a while, because it take lots of references from outer scriptures to come to TRUTH.

    Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns seven crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard .....

    Hosea 13:7 Therefore I will be to them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them.

    Jeremiah 5:6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evening shall spoil them, and a leopard shall watch over their cities: each one that goeth out thence shall be torn to pieces, because their transgressions are many, and their blackslidings are increased.

    Who is the City that the leopard is watching over?

    Revelation 3:12 ....and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God ....

    Revelation 13:2 .....and his feet as the feet of a bear .......

    Hosea 13:8 And I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and I will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild BEAST shall tear them.

    Amos 5:19 And if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear meet him, or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall and a serpent bite him.

    This BEAST is Christ.

    Make your rebuttal, I'm out of characters, and we will try to come to truth of these first one and a half verses, then proceed on.

    Cod Bless YOU!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Earl.

    Here's a portion of your quote.

    "What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?

    Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world." End quote.

    Earl that's not the Lord being worshipped here.

    Here's a few previous verses to get the context.

    Revelation 13:4-8. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    God bless you Earl.
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Jesse:

    Revelation 13:5 And there was give him (man) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him for forty two months.

    One thousand two hundred ninety days. Forty two months. Three and a half years. Christ ministry on earth.

    Daniel 12:11 And from the time daily sacrifice shall be taken away (old covenant) and the abomination THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days.

    Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded (Christ's resurrection), ....saying, the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for the age of the age.

    John 19:30 .....It is finished ......

    Hebrews 2:8 ....we see NOT YET all things put under him.

    You commented the other day that just because we don't believe, doesn't make it not so.

    Christ said he speaks as if all things are done.

    We should look at his words as if all things are done.

    Hebrews 4:3 For we which believed (his words) do enter into rest ......the works were finished before the foundation of the world.

    Philippians 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Romans 14:11 For it is written, AS I live saith the Lord, Every knee shall bow, and every tongues shall confess

    to God.

    It's this lake of fire (for our God is a consuming fire) that CAUSES Confession to salvation.

    I'm out of characters, give your rebuttal and I will respond.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Earl,

    I am trying to figure out what message you are sharing here. You answered your first question using Revelation 20:15, so I get that one. In Revelation 13:8, who is being worshipped? I ask because you capitalized Him. Are you saying that it is Christ who is the one they are worshipping in that verse? Maybe I am just misunderstanding because Verse 7 gives us the answer. Also, I am not sure how Acts 22:1 ties into all this. Can you please clarify for me? Thanks for your time!
  • ELB - 2 years ago
    REVELATION 22

    Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of this book .....

    What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?

    Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

    Acts 22:1 And it shall COME TO PASS, that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be save.

    God Bless YOU!
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    I know that you and I disagree, but I also know this is of God.

    Christ said I will set brother against brother, etc.

    This has a PURPOSE.

    NOTE: The notion that there is no Hell and no Satan comes from the same Evil source that told Eve she shall not surely die.

    What was that source?

    Who is this Satan?

    In Genesis it says he is the most subtil of all the beast of the field.

    Psalms says man differs not, than a beast of the field.

    Man is the most SUBTIL, of the BEAST.

    Job said Satan came in with man to present himself to God.

    God ask Satan where he had been?

    Satan said walking to and fro on the earth.

    Satan is not a spirit, Satan is flesh.

    Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful (Satan the great deceiver) above all things, and desperately WICKED ...

    2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ......and destroyed by God's words and God's coming, the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

    Revelation 12:8 And the earth helped the woman, and open her mouth (the Grave) and swallowed up the dragon ...

    Revelation 20:1-2 Satan was bound in the GRAVE (pit) ...

    Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expire (the age of grace) Satan shall be loosed out of his PRISON (the grave, the second resurrection). To deceive once more: these resurrected still have a heart of stone, the WICKED and deceived.

    Then Judgement, and creation given a heart of flesh.

    Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth (being raised back up) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LIFE of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

    God Bless YOU!
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Kay: Heavenly bread for the digestion.

    Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth, (this will come to pass at the second resurrection, back to their flesh, TO JUDGEMENT) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of Life of the Lamb slain FROM the foundations of the world.

    Isaiah 26:9 ...and when thy JUDGEMENTS (second resurrection) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute on them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this honour hath all his saints.

    We will either be the JUDGES bringing the world to righteousness, or we will be the JUDGED, learning righteousness.

    John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....CHRIST IN YOU ......

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (Christ in YOU) and a NEW EARTH (where RIGHTEOUSNESS will DWELL), for the former HAD PASSED AWAY.

    These scriptures teach there is neither heaven or hell, as taught by the traditions of man.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Free - In Reply on Revelation 20:13 - 2 years ago
    Hi all siblings. Today I came across some words that Jesus says in Mark 13. See in the passage The Son of Man comes verses Mark 13:24-27

    We must all understand now i think, we are in this time. But there is no consolation: for it is getting worse.

    Here I ask you all to be careful. Ever since my 1st day as an adult Jesus saved. Have i thought that this promotion has rubbed something terrible in my heart and ears. Something that is clear and should be for everyone is the following:

    When Jesus comes, He will not kill us first. He wants to take us home to Him, right? Then those who live will be promoted! When Jesus tells as Matthew 24:12 writes, it becomes an explanation of what will happen when He returns. If we read this in its entirety, we will see the passage of the Son of Man Matthew 24:29-31

    Then Jesus tells afterwards that one is taken away and one is let back. See this dear friends. Do not be fooled by anyone who has received great revelations about this. Someone has changed these sections. We chosen righteous will be with the end. But in the end, He comes as we wait. Then someone joins up to heaven. Only those who have Oil on their lamps.

    We live in that time for the mark of the beast and have done so for a long time see Revelation 13:15 to give breath to the mark of the beast.

    When we talk about TV and internet pc also further. I just have to say from my place: Have we not become quite strangely addicted to this vivid picture? I know of fine Christian Believers who sit in front of the TV screen every hour of the day! It's a shame, but they calm it down it's innocent. That's it not! They sit at home in their own living rooms and get scared, fearing all sorts of strange things. Agree with this: Does not such a thing take us away from the Lord?

    Another key thing: Why did Jesus say it was accomplished when He had to give up His Spirit on the cross? Stay blessed in Jesus Name.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Ronnie,

    When there is a difference in words between various English translations, where in this case one version says "in" and the other says "on," we sometimes have to wonder what the true meaning is. I agree there is a difference between in and on. What I do when I come to places in scripture like this is I go to the original language because what we have in whatever English bible we are using is a translation. Even our beloved KJV is a translation. So what does the original text say? I look this verse up ( Revelation 13:16) in the Greek text and it uses the word EPI (pronounced EH-PEE). So the King James translation is correct by using the word on because that's what the original text says. The Greek word used for "in" is EN (pronounced AIN), but EN is not used in Verse 16.

    Hope this helps!
  • Ronnie bishop - 2 years ago
    In the KJV bible Revelation 13:16 when speaking of the mark of the beast it states the mark is placed IN their right hand or IN their forehead, but in many new translations it says the mark is place ON the right hand or ON the forehead. Should not the newer translations also read IN and not ON ? There is a difference between placing a mark On someone and placing a mark IN someone.


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