No Jesse I did not kill the Lord, he died for me, but I did not kill him.
Paul tells us who killed Jesus.
Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
Pilate tried to release Jesus, but the priests of the temple threatened Pilate with treason before Rome if he released Jesus.
Concerning Torquemada I noticed you did not bother to read the article in the jewish encyclopedia either.
Murray Redstone does not sound Jewish either until you find his birth name was Rothstein oh his family runs CBS.
Communist leader Lenin real name was Ulanov.
Communist leader Lev Bronstein called himself Trotsky.
The founder of the church of Satan called himself Anton LaVey, some claim Howard Stanton, but his birth name was
really Levy.
Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Leonard Nimoy, Wiliam Shatner, Woody Allen does not sound jewish either.
All I know is if they do not follow Jesus they are cursed as Paul said.
1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
Out of curiosity, I looked up this Tomas Torquemada that you told me about. I guess what drew my curiosity was how he was born of a Jewish family with the last name Torquemada.
What I found was that he was born in Castile Spain, and his parents names were Pedro Fernandez de Torquemada, and Mencia Ortega.
Those names don't sound Jewish so I was hoping you might be able to share with me the names of the Jewish family you say he was born of. Thank you for your time.
I did not know about Tomas Torquemada but thank you for sharing that. I'll take your word on that one since you've read the Jewish encyclopedia. It's not "If the bible is right," because the bible is right. It's our human understanding that is flawed. We study the same bible Bob, but when we come to a different understanding of the text, it's always the other person that is in error. Why is that? Can you please answer that one?
Yes, Pilate tried to release Jesus. In fact, he tried to release two people named Jesus at the same time. If you are questioning whether or not I believe the bible is true, I can assure you that I do. A study of church history would show that the papacy (Vatican) was responsible for putting to death many Christians, so I am not placing blame where blame is not due.
Yes, the man of sin will rule from the temple in Jerusalem once he takes over and demands that people worship him, but we're not told where he comes from. Not all Jews deny Jesus as you claim. That is false.
One thing is for certain, in the end when all the armies gather in the Valley of Megiddo to wipe out the nation of Israel, Christ Himself who will come with His armies, His bride, the church, He will destroy those armies. Israel is under God's powerful protection.
Yeshua was used as a title for Jesus long before the King James Bible was written. Jesus is an English transliteration that comes from Yeshua. So whether He is called Yeshua or Jesus, they both have the same meaning, the Lord is salvation. So if someone says Yeshua, they are not denying the King James at all. If I make an absurd claim like "Mary being impregnated by a Roman soldier," by all means, please do correct me!
You say "Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?" I agree with that. You've said some things in the past that have contradicted scripture, but I don't sense that you would be too "happy to be corrected" if I were to point those things out to you so I'll just leave it at that!
Jesse Yes Rome did murder many believers. Did you know the Vatican's head inquisitioner in Spain was Tomas Torquemada who was born of a Jewish family. He was responsible for many deaths of believers. Same group who killed Jesus and the apostles. The Jewish encyclopedia documents this fact.
Well if the Bible is right and others teach things that is against what is in the Bible, I am happy to correct them.
How about the lie that Rome killed Jesus? Pilate tried to release Jesus. Yet the lie continues.
John 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release (Jesus) him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
That is of course if we believe the Bible. I am no fan of the Vatican, but I shall not blame the Vatican for something she did not do.
Truth is not antisemitic. While everyone is looking at Rome, the man of sin aka son of perdition shall rule from Jerusalem.
Judaism is antichrist and a heresy that denies the virgin birth, the atonement and resurrection of Jesus.
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)
1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?
Those "Messianic Jews" who use Yeshua are also denying the name of Jesus given to Mary by Gabriel in the Greek New Testament, basically denying my King James Bible.
I find it offensive that a certain group claims Mary got pregnant having relations with Pantera, a roman soldier who paid her in silver coins. Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?
Thanks for correcting my error, Bob. You seem to be very good at correcting other people's errors. I read most of your posts and you spend a lot of time correcting others. I think I agree with what Mishael had to say. She makes a great point about sharing our relationship with Christ to others. That would be much better than constantly tearing apart what other people share here. I am not saying that we should not correct a blatant error, especially if it impacts a person's salvation, but if all we do is spend our time correcting what we perceive as "error," what are we doing? Tearing apart everything people share does not do anything for building up the church as we should be doing.
In all sincerity, I do thank you for pointing out my error on the seven hills. I just looked it up and you are correct. There are others. Good job! But none of those cities match the description of the seven hill city in Revelation Chapters 17 and 18. We see that this city will be utterly destroyed. You can't tell me that is Jerusalem. There is no place in scripture that tells us that in the end times Jerusalem will be completely destroyed. Quite the opposite! Rome will be destroyed.
You ask me "Who killed the saints and the Lord?" Here's my answer to that. Yes, the Jews were responsible for persecuting those who followed Christ. But so was Rome. You cannot deny that Rome slaughtered and tortured millions of Christians for many centuries.
For the second part of your question, "Who killed the Lord?" You killed him, Bob. You killed Him, I killed Him, and every sinner who has been born into this world killed Him. You can't blame this on the Jews. Jesus Christ came for the sole purpose of dying on the cross. Why did He do this? He did it for you, He did it for me, and He did it for every sinner that has ever been born. We killed Him, Bob. Technically, He freely gave Himself up to death. Had it not of been for our sin, He would not have had to come and die. So yes, you and I killed Him!
No Jessue you are error since there are many cities built on 7 hills and Jerusalem is one of them.
Jerusalem's seven hills are the following Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet (Mount of Olives) and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the old city), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built, you know the wailing wall where the jews pray at.
Rome was never sent prophets of the Lord. who killed the saints and the Lord?
King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
Act 9:23 - And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him
Act 23:12 - And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.
Act 26:21 - For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
Do you see Rome in there anywhere?
Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
Revelation 18:24 says Babylon killed the prophets.
The book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. It speaks of end-time events and the coming judgment, but also gives us a picture of our Lord Jesus Christ coming in glory. As far as what's going on in our country (U.S.), I see a lot of evil, but that is going on all over the world. The things happening here do not fit into the book of Revelation as far as end-time prophecy is concerned. All end-time prophecy centers around the nation of Israel, not the United States.
Revelation 17:5 mentions the phrase "Mystery, Babylon the Great." In Revelation, Babylon is cryptically known as Rome. Chapter 17 gives us the description of the destruction of Babylon which was shown to the apostle John. It describes this woman who is riding the beast. She is called the great whore that sits upon many waters.
In Revelation 17:6, John sees the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. For many centuries, Rome, under the direction of the papacy tortured, burned, and slaughtered many Christians.
Revelation 17:9 gives us the location of this woman who rides the beast. It's a city that sits on seven hills or mountains. Rome is the only city on this earth that sits on seven hills. John is shown the mystery of this woman, Babylon the great, and her future destruction in Revelation 17:16.
The beast is only going to allow the religious system, the prophet, to ride this beast for so long. And the ten nations are going to give their allegiance to this woman. But when the antichrist is through with her, then he's going to turn against her, as well as the kings because they're going to be on his side, and she's going to be destroyed, this religious system.
Babylon killed the prophets so when you know who killed the prophets you know the identity of mystery Babylon.
..... Rev 18:24 - And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.
Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Mystery Babylon killed the prophets
Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, This is Jesus speaking and telling us who killed the prophets.
When did the Lord send prophets to the USA, Mecca or Rome?
Well apostle Paul went to Rome and he was a prophet.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Julie, how have you arrived at the conclusion that 666 refers to or is yhe number of the papacy? Please explain with details so that I understand the process that brought you to this conclusion. I'm not judging, just in search of answers. Thanks :)
I believe all this will all take place during this future 7-year period. Again, my belief is that the church will not be here during those 7 years. But, for those people who are here, this is what I understand from Revelation Chapter 13. During the first half of the Tribulation Period, the antichrist and his prophet will be unifying the economic, political, and religious systems of the world.
In fact, he will make a covenant with the nation Israel to rebuild their temple. And they will start sacrificing again in their temple. And then about the mid-point of this 7-year period, the antichrist comes in with the false prophet, and he puts his image in the Holy of holies and demands that everyone worship the image of the beast. I'm telling you this so you can see how all this fits together.
At that time, in order for anyone to participate in the economic, political, and religious system of the world, to buy food, and to participate, you have to worship the image. If you worship the image, then you will get the mark of the beast. And that mark gives you the authority to function in the economic and political system of the world. You cannot get that mark unless you join his religious system, and worship the image. There will be a one-world currency, political, and religious system. No one can participate without the mark. People can take the mark which will allow them to purchase the necessities for a short time. But, those who take the mark will no longer have an opportunity to be saved. If you're saved now, you have nothing to worry about.
It is best to commit your whole heart and soul to Jesus NOW. Accept him as Savior and Lord.
You will be with us when we are Caught Up. The line will be drawn in the sand so-to-speak. You don't want to stay behind at that time!
I know it's confusing with people preaching pre, mid, and post tribulation. Don't listen to it. Be ready before all that!!!!!!
Jesus is not going to suffer His Bride to be TEMPTED.
Don't make plans to go through the tribulation.
The Antichrist will have already have the edict in place to announce a one world money system. All currencies will be changed to one. Only accessible by getting the Mark of the Beast. If any nation is in possession of a nuke (?), those may be launched in retaliation. We don't know how it unfolds.
We only know a False Peace, initiated by Antichrist will be employed for a few years maybe and then He will reveal his true plans for humanity. He will wholesale slaughter anyone who doesn't have his mark. Marked people will be programmed to turn in anyone who doesn't have the mark.
You and anyone else reading this, get ready now. BE BORN AGAIN now! Receive the Holy Spirits baptism now.
The woman is the church and the answer if found in Revelation 12
that is the real future of the church. I know many will argue with me, however IF they want to believe the antichrists
in the middle east are the woman, well that is on them. A remnant of them shall come to the Lord at one point.
Zionism is a secular non-religious movement.
King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand
Thank you so much for pointing that out. I see where I could have reworded things a little differently. Please allow me to clarify. I believe you might be referring to this: "During this time, I see no mention of the church being on the earth, so I have to believe that we have already been raptured."
When I said "during this time," I was referring to the 7-year tribulation period, with the last 3-1/2 being called the "Great Tribulation." And where I said "I have to believe that we have already been raptured," I meant that we will be raptured prior to the beginning of the 7-year period, not that the church has already been raptured.
Again, thank you for pointing this out. And my apologies if I may have caused confusion.
Hi Jessie , Just a question , If we are already raptured , then why are we still here on earth? There is something I might be missing. Thank you, God bless you.
Hi Jesse I agree with you 100% What we must remember is there is more than one dispensation and for us today we are under Grace. The law has been set aside. After the rapture that calls the Church, The Body of Christ, home then will the dispensation of the law return and then judgment and tribulation upon those who deny Christ. Those of us who have accepted the gift of Salvation through our Lord and Savior have nothing to fear for He has saved us not only from an eternity without him spent in Hell but also from the tribulation yet to come. God Bless!
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
this seems plain that our names can be blotted out of the book of life. If it was already written in, it can be blotted out it seems.
Psalms 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
Moses pled for the Children of Israel in this instance
Exodus Chapter 32:30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Seems not all names are in the book of life.
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
I agree that we are living in some pretty peculiar times right now which we can't help but wonder if we are getting close to the end. We shouldn't let any of this bother us because Christ has clothed us in His righteousness and we are prepared for whatever comes our way. I truly believe that He will remove us before His wrath gets poured out. I find encouragement and comfort from reading Revelation. There are some pretty horrible things listed in Revelation that will come on people when God pours out His wrath. But 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
God hasn't appointed us to be judged, but rather salvation. So he's trying to tell us "Don't let people come in and tell you that you're in the tribulation period and you're going to have to go through this terrible time.
God hasn't appointed us for that. He's appointed us for salvation.
The book of Revelation should bring you comfort, as it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and it shows us that the Lord is going to return, and He will judge the unbelieving world. Also, it is the only book in the bible that promises a blessing on those who read it. Keep in mind John Chapter 14 where Jesus said let not your hearts be troubled. He is preparing a place for us, and He will come for us one day.
Thank you for your reply, I hoped it would be after the rapture . The book of Revelation has been on my mind lately in the light of all that's taking place in the world today.
I would say that this is after the rapture of the church because I believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture. The miracles being performed in Verse 14 are being performed by the false prophet in order to deceive those who are on the earth at that time. You have to keep in mind that these people are not saved. They were told not to take the mark of the beast. There were two witnesses warning the people, there were 144,000 Jews who were evangelizing, and there was an angel flying around in mid-heaven for 3-1/2 years warning people not to be deceived into taking the mark. So now they are stuck with a choice, they either heed to the warning to receive Christ and not take the mark, or take the mark, which would forfeit any chance of salvation. But those miracles are definitely going to deceive many at that time. It won't be the church. During this time, I see no mention of the church being on the earth, so I have to believe that we have already been raptured. I'm probably going to be criticized for this belief, but that's my understanding.
Paul tells us who killed Jesus.
Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
Pilate tried to release Jesus, but the priests of the temple threatened Pilate with treason before Rome if he released Jesus.
Murray Redstone does not sound Jewish either until you find his birth name was Rothstein oh his family runs CBS.
Communist leader Lenin real name was Ulanov.
Communist leader Lev Bronstein called himself Trotsky.
The founder of the church of Satan called himself Anton LaVey, some claim Howard Stanton, but his birth name was
really Levy.
Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Leonard Nimoy, Wiliam Shatner, Woody Allen does not sound jewish either.
All I know is if they do not follow Jesus they are cursed as Paul said.
1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
Out of curiosity, I looked up this Tomas Torquemada that you told me about. I guess what drew my curiosity was how he was born of a Jewish family with the last name Torquemada.
What I found was that he was born in Castile Spain, and his parents names were Pedro Fernandez de Torquemada, and Mencia Ortega.
Those names don't sound Jewish so I was hoping you might be able to share with me the names of the Jewish family you say he was born of. Thank you for your time.
Yes, Pilate tried to release Jesus. In fact, he tried to release two people named Jesus at the same time. If you are questioning whether or not I believe the bible is true, I can assure you that I do. A study of church history would show that the papacy (Vatican) was responsible for putting to death many Christians, so I am not placing blame where blame is not due.
Yes, the man of sin will rule from the temple in Jerusalem once he takes over and demands that people worship him, but we're not told where he comes from. Not all Jews deny Jesus as you claim. That is false.
One thing is for certain, in the end when all the armies gather in the Valley of Megiddo to wipe out the nation of Israel, Christ Himself who will come with His armies, His bride, the church, He will destroy those armies. Israel is under God's powerful protection.
Yeshua was used as a title for Jesus long before the King James Bible was written. Jesus is an English transliteration that comes from Yeshua. So whether He is called Yeshua or Jesus, they both have the same meaning, the Lord is salvation. So if someone says Yeshua, they are not denying the King James at all. If I make an absurd claim like "Mary being impregnated by a Roman soldier," by all means, please do correct me!
You say "Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?" I agree with that. You've said some things in the past that have contradicted scripture, but I don't sense that you would be too "happy to be corrected" if I were to point those things out to you so I'll just leave it at that!
Well if the Bible is right and others teach things that is against what is in the Bible, I am happy to correct them.
How about the lie that Rome killed Jesus? Pilate tried to release Jesus. Yet the lie continues.
John 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release (Jesus) him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
That is of course if we believe the Bible. I am no fan of the Vatican, but I shall not blame the Vatican for something she did not do.
Truth is not antisemitic. While everyone is looking at Rome, the man of sin aka son of perdition shall rule from Jerusalem.
Judaism is antichrist and a heresy that denies the virgin birth, the atonement and resurrection of Jesus.
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)
1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?
Those "Messianic Jews" who use Yeshua are also denying the name of Jesus given to Mary by Gabriel in the Greek New Testament, basically denying my King James Bible.
I find it offensive that a certain group claims Mary got pregnant having relations with Pantera, a roman soldier who paid her in silver coins. Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?
In all sincerity, I do thank you for pointing out my error on the seven hills. I just looked it up and you are correct. There are others. Good job! But none of those cities match the description of the seven hill city in Revelation Chapters 17 and 18. We see that this city will be utterly destroyed. You can't tell me that is Jerusalem. There is no place in scripture that tells us that in the end times Jerusalem will be completely destroyed. Quite the opposite! Rome will be destroyed.
You ask me "Who killed the saints and the Lord?" Here's my answer to that. Yes, the Jews were responsible for persecuting those who followed Christ. But so was Rome. You cannot deny that Rome slaughtered and tortured millions of Christians for many centuries.
For the second part of your question, "Who killed the Lord?" You killed him, Bob. You killed Him, I killed Him, and every sinner who has been born into this world killed Him. You can't blame this on the Jews. Jesus Christ came for the sole purpose of dying on the cross. Why did He do this? He did it for you, He did it for me, and He did it for every sinner that has ever been born. We killed Him, Bob. Technically, He freely gave Himself up to death. Had it not of been for our sin, He would not have had to come and die. So yes, you and I killed Him!
Jerusalem's seven hills are the following Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet (Mount of Olives) and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the old city), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built, you know the wailing wall where the jews pray at.
Rome was never sent prophets of the Lord. who killed the saints and the Lord?
King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
Act 9:23 - And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him
Act 23:12 - And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.
Act 26:21 - For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
Do you see Rome in there anywhere?
Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
Revelation 18:24 says Babylon killed the prophets.
The book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. It speaks of end-time events and the coming judgment, but also gives us a picture of our Lord Jesus Christ coming in glory. As far as what's going on in our country (U.S.), I see a lot of evil, but that is going on all over the world. The things happening here do not fit into the book of Revelation as far as end-time prophecy is concerned. All end-time prophecy centers around the nation of Israel, not the United States.
Revelation 17:5 mentions the phrase "Mystery, Babylon the Great." In Revelation, Babylon is cryptically known as Rome. Chapter 17 gives us the description of the destruction of Babylon which was shown to the apostle John. It describes this woman who is riding the beast. She is called the great whore that sits upon many waters.
In Revelation 17:6, John sees the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. For many centuries, Rome, under the direction of the papacy tortured, burned, and slaughtered many Christians.
Revelation 17:9 gives us the location of this woman who rides the beast. It's a city that sits on seven hills or mountains. Rome is the only city on this earth that sits on seven hills. John is shown the mystery of this woman, Babylon the great, and her future destruction in Revelation 17:16.
The beast is only going to allow the religious system, the prophet, to ride this beast for so long. And the ten nations are going to give their allegiance to this woman. But when the antichrist is through with her, then he's going to turn against her, as well as the kings because they're going to be on his side, and she's going to be destroyed, this religious system.
..... Rev 18:24 - And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.
Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Mystery Babylon killed the prophets
Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, This is Jesus speaking and telling us who killed the prophets.
When did the Lord send prophets to the USA, Mecca or Rome?
Well apostle Paul went to Rome and he was a prophet.
Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
I believe all this will all take place during this future 7-year period. Again, my belief is that the church will not be here during those 7 years. But, for those people who are here, this is what I understand from Revelation Chapter 13. During the first half of the Tribulation Period, the antichrist and his prophet will be unifying the economic, political, and religious systems of the world.
In fact, he will make a covenant with the nation Israel to rebuild their temple. And they will start sacrificing again in their temple. And then about the mid-point of this 7-year period, the antichrist comes in with the false prophet, and he puts his image in the Holy of holies and demands that everyone worship the image of the beast. I'm telling you this so you can see how all this fits together.
At that time, in order for anyone to participate in the economic, political, and religious system of the world, to buy food, and to participate, you have to worship the image. If you worship the image, then you will get the mark of the beast. And that mark gives you the authority to function in the economic and political system of the world. You cannot get that mark unless you join his religious system, and worship the image. There will be a one-world currency, political, and religious system. No one can participate without the mark. People can take the mark which will allow them to purchase the necessities for a short time. But, those who take the mark will no longer have an opportunity to be saved. If you're saved now, you have nothing to worry about.
You will be with us when we are Caught Up. The line will be drawn in the sand so-to-speak. You don't want to stay behind at that time!
I know it's confusing with people preaching pre, mid, and post tribulation. Don't listen to it. Be ready before all that!!!!!!
Jesus is not going to suffer His Bride to be TEMPTED.
Don't make plans to go through the tribulation.
The Antichrist will have already have the edict in place to announce a one world money system. All currencies will be changed to one. Only accessible by getting the Mark of the Beast. If any nation is in possession of a nuke (?), those may be launched in retaliation. We don't know how it unfolds.
We only know a False Peace, initiated by Antichrist will be employed for a few years maybe and then He will reveal his true plans for humanity. He will wholesale slaughter anyone who doesn't have his mark. Marked people will be programmed to turn in anyone who doesn't have the mark.
You and anyone else reading this, get ready now. BE BORN AGAIN now! Receive the Holy Spirits baptism now.
that is the real future of the church. I know many will argue with me, however IF they want to believe the antichrists
in the middle east are the woman, well that is on them. A remnant of them shall come to the Lord at one point.
Zionism is a secular non-religious movement.
King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand
you dont mind me asking ? Its about this system we are dealing with
now. I know I should focus more on God, but I do need information
about what do I do . When they go to a one world currency system,
hope not for a while yet. What do I do as a child of God myself,
but paying rent checks each month . I live in an apartment complex. I
hear we are not supposed to buy things, ect when this comes to pass?
Thank you so much for pointing that out. I see where I could have reworded things a little differently. Please allow me to clarify. I believe you might be referring to this: "During this time, I see no mention of the church being on the earth, so I have to believe that we have already been raptured."
When I said "during this time," I was referring to the 7-year tribulation period, with the last 3-1/2 being called the "Great Tribulation." And where I said "I have to believe that we have already been raptured," I meant that we will be raptured prior to the beginning of the 7-year period, not that the church has already been raptured.
Again, thank you for pointing this out. And my apologies if I may have caused confusion.
this seems plain that our names can be blotted out of the book of life. If it was already written in, it can be blotted out it seems.
Psalms 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
Moses pled for the Children of Israel in this instance
Exodus Chapter 32:30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Seems not all names are in the book of life.
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
In the hand and forhead
God hasn't appointed us to be judged, but rather salvation. So he's trying to tell us "Don't let people come in and tell you that you're in the tribulation period and you're going to have to go through this terrible time.
God hasn't appointed us for that. He's appointed us for salvation.
The book of Revelation should bring you comfort, as it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and it shows us that the Lord is going to return, and He will judge the unbelieving world. Also, it is the only book in the bible that promises a blessing on those who read it. Keep in mind John Chapter 14 where Jesus said let not your hearts be troubled. He is preparing a place for us, and He will come for us one day.
Thank you for your reply, I hoped it would be after the rapture . The book of Revelation has been on my mind lately in the light of all that's taking place in the world today.
I would say that this is after the rapture of the church because I believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture. The miracles being performed in Verse 14 are being performed by the false prophet in order to deceive those who are on the earth at that time. You have to keep in mind that these people are not saved. They were told not to take the mark of the beast. There were two witnesses warning the people, there were 144,000 Jews who were evangelizing, and there was an angel flying around in mid-heaven for 3-1/2 years warning people not to be deceived into taking the mark. So now they are stuck with a choice, they either heed to the warning to receive Christ and not take the mark, or take the mark, which would forfeit any chance of salvation. But those miracles are definitely going to deceive many at that time. It won't be the church. During this time, I see no mention of the church being on the earth, so I have to believe that we have already been raptured. I'm probably going to be criticized for this belief, but that's my understanding.
Does this take place after the rapture or before?
And I would like to understand verse 14.