Sea refers to many many waters. Revelation 13:v.1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And waters mean; peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues
Revelation 17:v.15 - 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
No sea;
Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
On the other hand: Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: (no sea)
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Most Christians believe that at the judgement of the world the wicked will be cast into LITERAL FIRE for all ETERNITY.
If this is true then it make those scriptures that say ALL will OBEY and WORSHIP GOD a LIE; therefore the ones that believe this are calling God a LIAR.
Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 15:4 ....for ALL NATIONS shall come and WORSHIP before THEE ....
Revelation 3:9 ...I WILL MAKE THEM to come and WORSHIP before thy feet.....
Psalms 22:27 ALL the ends of the world shall REMEMBER and TURN (repent) unto the LORD, and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass .....shall ALL flesh come to WORSHIP before me..
You can't have an ETERNAL LITERAL FIRE torturing God's creation and a SAVIOUR of man exist together: be careful which one you chose.
Raquel. May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.
1 Timothy 4:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have (not maybe) ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and come to the knowledge of TRUTH (CHRIST)
1 John 4 :14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father (THE WORD) SENT the SON TO BE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me VOID, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I SENT IT.
Revelations 15:4 ...for ALL NATIONS shall come and worship before thee...
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Jesus was SENT by his FATHER to be the saviour of the world; HE WILL NOT FAIL!
Miyelani, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
There was no sin until man was created.
Romans 8:20 For the creature (man) was created SUBJECT TO VANITY, not willingly, but by reason of him (God) who hath SUBJECTED the same (man) in hope,
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Ecclesiastes 3:11 ....also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from beggining to the end.
Adam and Eve were created with a heart subject to the weakness of FLESH.
They were predestined to sin because; Christ was predestined to die for OUR sins:
Revelation 13:8 And ALL THAT DWELL upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of the life of the Lamb SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION of the world.
It seems we are not on the same page. I'm sorry my reply was not clear. I will try again but let's not be disrespectful. The thread you first replied to about the abomination of desolation was discussing teaching I do not agree with. It is called the seven years of tribulation using the last week in ( Daniel 9:27). It developed in the 17th Century, and it quickly led to an understanding that the Rapture of the Church would be an event separate from and before the second coming of Christ.
The beast does only have 42 months. It starts in Revelation 12 when Michael stands up and Satan is cast down to earth, the third woe. ( Revelation 12:7-9) Satan then gives his power, seat, and great authority to the beast. ( Revelation 13:2-8)
There is another beast with two horns, the false prophet, ( Revelation 13:11-18) he is the one that does miracles, fires from heaven, creates the image of the beast, and causes who will not worship this image to be killed, this beast causes people to take the mark of the beast all in 42 months.
This is just a small bit of information but I hope it makes sense and clears up misunderstanding. If I may and not offend, may I suggest studying the day of the Lord?
Gloria Rhine - If your name is written in the Book of Life, not church membership, You must be born again Jesus said.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Carl, you are correct Jesus' ministry was 42 months and there are 42 months in Revelation but the ones in Revelation have nothing to do with the 70-week prophecy given to Daniel.
If I understand you correctly, the abomination of desolations spoken of by Daniel in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 is what you tie the last half of the 70th week to the antichrist and the 42 months?
Many may disagree but, the abomination of desolation has nothing to do with the beast in Revelation. If you read Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, what Jesus told four of the Apostles on the Mount of Olives. First, we must understand at this time none of the Apostles even knew Jesus was going to die, they thought Jesus was going to set up the kingdom then. Even after He resurrected, they did not believe He had been killed.
Some of this discourse was about the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem and some about Jesus second coming. If you study history of this time, you will see there were earthquakes, wars, famine, pestilence and more. All through the New Testament people was starving and they were selling and donating for those in Jerusalem that were without, many died.
Why would people today have to pray their flight not be on a Sabbath? In the time of the destruction of the temple the gates of Jerusalem would have been locked on the Sabbath, they couldn't get out. The temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD was totally wiped away, the people in Jerusalem turned to cannibalism during this siege of Rome, it was the worst horror Jerusalem had ever faced.
No believers in Christ died, they fled to the city Pella before the destruction. Many put Revelation 12 with the casting down of Satan long ago but Satan still has access to heaven because he accuses daily. When Satan is cast down to earth in Rev. 12 it is permanent they rejoice in heaven. Satan then gives his power seat and authority to the beast ( Revelation 13:1-5).
Sorry, this is short may it be enough to inspire study.
As I'm sure you know "hell" is just the English word that took over four "places". Sheol in Hebrew and in Greek Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus(used only once as the place where the angels that sinned are chained reserved unto judgement). Then of coarse the lake of fire where Hades is said to be cast.
My feelings of me being a judge to others in the end. In Christ. Right now I see it as this. If God wanted me to judge others the first thing I would do is ask God how He wanted me to judge. If it were God's Will for me to forgive everyone I most certainly would do that. Or righteous judgement. To me righteous judgement is not just pardoning or forgiving everyone. It would be weighing that persons heart, soul, intents, everything in life etc. Them making a righteous judgement on their life. As in the Old and New Testaments it is stated everyone shall be judged or recompensed according to our deeds in this life.
All in all Gods Will shall be done. Weather I understand it or not. Also as my full trust is in the Lord and I know anything is possible with God. As His ways, thoughts, intent and glory are so far above us I really don't see anyone knowing exactly what shall be. Keep our faith and full trust in Him with a pure heart and He will guide us in love.
As I like to always bring up that the most important thing is us staying focused on Him. They ways of Jesus Christ our Lord whom is our Savior to eternal life with the Father.
All praise and glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord which permeates straight to our Holy Father. We are noting without Him.
Like stated even though we may have different views on certain things. That's ok. You are still my brother in the Lord forever and are a very special member in the body of Christ. We are to love one another. The only thing I hate is sin or evil. Not the person who commits it as we are all able to be saved by the blood of Christ. As we were all on the wrong path at some point in our lives.
I very much enjoy conversing with you brother Earl. There will be a second post to this.
My view on all(everyone) being saved is this. If this were true, in my eyes, it actually would not matter, in the end, weather the person is a child of God or a child of the devil. As of coarse it is of the highest honor to have been chosen by God to be in Christ to be one of His and live for His Will. As truly my entire life is surrounded around Jesus Christ and wanting to live for the Will of our Father and please Him. Forever.
Though everybody is different I think some may just take that, all being saved in the end, as a free pass to do whatever they want, in this life, with no worry of consequence. Which I have stated before that it could be dangerous to preach that to the people who would take it as such and maybe make them worse people instead of better. Proverbs 9:10, Matthew 10:28, Hebrews 10:31.
As I have gone through my Bible and taken notes of verses from Christ and the Apostles about the "saved and unsaved". Easily over twenty times. Just seeing a verse like Matthew 25:46. Which states "everlasting punishment". Maybe in a verse like 1 Corinthians 1:18. Christ is "to them that perish" foolish but to us(saved) it is "the power of God".
Maybe to bring up one friend the Lord has brought me to just after being saved. It was at a funeral I first saw this friend after around twenty years. The Lord wanted me to tell someone about Him and something told me he was the one. This friend had actually had very spiritual experiences as well though not all good. The devil actually came to him and wanted his daughters soul. The Lord has pulled him from the road to destruction and set him on the right path. Though he is not perfect, as none of us are, we can talk for hours. One thing he perceives is this is "hell". As we don't see eye to eye on every aspect it's ok because I know he is a good person and courageous. Not afraid of any person or to speak what he feels.
Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, not having the Spirit.
1 Peter 2:8 ...even to them that stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto they were APPOINTED.
God is assembling a specific group of people in this age. The Priest that are going to rule, reign and judge the rest of the world in the ages to come. If you weren't CALLED (my sheep here my voice) to this glory then you were appointed to wait till the manifestion of the Sons of God. Since it is God's choice and not ours, God want condemn those for eternity that were not chosen to be Priest. They will be judged latter in US and CHRIST.
Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building you yourselves on you most holy faith (Christ is our faith), praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jude 1:21 Keeping yourselves (by Christ) in the love of God, looking for MERCY of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life (I am the life).
Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jude 1:23 And others save (teaching truth) with fear (respect unto God), pulling them out of the fire (Christ judgement in spiritual fire, just as effective as literal fire)(teaching them knowledge of God's plan), hating even the garment spotted with flesh.
Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns (Sons of God, power through Christ) which though saw on the beast, these shall hate the whore (unfaithfulness), and make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with FIRE,
Revelation 17:17 For God hath put it in their hearts to fulfil HIS WILL (all men will be saved), and give their kingdom (Christ in you) unto the beast, until the words of God (all will worship God) shall be fulfilled.
Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
I know we as brothers and sisters don't agree on all things, Yet. I also believe that God has designed it that way. He said that household would be brother against brother, sister against sister, etc. This is one of those TEST we endure. Flesh reacts with anger or some other similar trait with his brother. Spirit is long suffering and patient, both are works of God that burn wood, hay, stubble, and purify gold and silver.
1 Corinthians 3:11-13
The Spirit caused me to stop believing in Hell as a place of torture for eternity; because, I can't reconcile it to FIT and not contradict other scriptures.
1 Timothy 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN, specially of those that BELIEVE.
1 Timothy 4:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.
I BELIEVE Christ will save the world; although, not all in the age we are in now.
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1 Timothy 2:4 Who WILL HAVE (God's will; will be done) all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of truth.
Romans 8:21 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF ALSO SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious LIBERTY of the CHILDREN OF GOD.
I BELIEVE this is done in the ages to come after the SONS OF GOD have been revealed.
Romans 8:19 ...Creation WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of God.
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Since Christ is in us and causes us to LOVE OUR ENEMIES. I think he knows how to judge in righteousness and not torture.
Proverbs 16:6 Through MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged....
As I know your views are very spiritual and that is good. Though just on one thing I would like to bring up about "fire". I very much understand God or Christ is a consuming fire and we are tried by fire as gold. To purify us. As in 1 Corinthians 3:13. Matthew 3:11.
Though as I will show you with one verse not ALL fire, to me anyway, is Christ, the Holy Ghost, or God in essence the way you perceive. As this fire would guide us to keep us clean and pure for God's Will.
Of coarse God made fire this just showing it is not always where we want to be.
At the end of Jude. In Jude 1:23 it speaks of how we should "save with fear" some people "pulling them out of the fire". As I think you will agree I don't think it is talking about pulling anyone out of the "fire of Christ". More likely the fire spoken of in Revelation 20:15, Matthew 25:41.
Also in the book of Enoch. Here is a small portion of chapter 108: for their names shall be blotted out of the book of life and out of the holy books, and their seed shall be destroyed for ever, and their spirits shall be slain, and they shall cry and make lamentation in a place that is a chaotic wilderness, and in the fire shall they burn.
I know you and me have gone over this before in that I think you perceive everyone "will be saved" in the end. Which I don't fully agree with but that's ok. Whatever the Will of God is, that shall be. Us being Blessed to be with the Lord Jesus Christ is a priceless treasure.
It is my understanding that a born again Christian would never take the mark. A person cannot receive the mark without first worshiping the beast. Someone who is born of God's Spirit would never bow down and worship the beast.
It is also my understanding that if that time comes during our lifetime, we as born again believers will not be here anyway.
People are going to be given a choice right at the mid-point of the tribulation period to either take the mark and be able to buy and sell, or refuse and be put to death (probably beheaded).
The people who refuse to take the mark are those who chose to receive Christ sometime during the first 3-1/2 years of the tribulation period.
Every believer prior to the 7 year tribulation period will have already been snatched away by Christ and will not be faced with having to make the choice as to whether or not receive the mark.
But you have to keep in mind that there will be people getting saved during the the tribulation period as they will be warned not to take the mark. There will be the two witnesses preaching Christ. There will be an angel flying around in mid-heaven who will be warning people. And there will also be 144,000 Jews who will be evangelizing and warning people. The ones who receive Christ from their testimonies will be the ones who will refuse the mark. Those who receive the mark are the ones who continued to reject the testimony because of the hardness of their hearts.
Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Before you can understand Revelation you have to BELIEVE a few things.
Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND. You have to believe that it is relevant right this minute; that it's instructions on how our flesh is destroyed so be can inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 15:50 ...flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God..
Revelation 1:1 ...and he sent and SIGNIFIED it...
You have to believe that most nouns represent something other than what a dictionary defines them as.
Romans 8:20 For the creature (man) was made subject to vanity....
We start life with no faithfulness to our creator (husband); therefore, we are the WHORE. We have no knowledge of the word of God; therefore, we are the false prophet, we have no love or mercy; therefore we are the BEAST. We are the only beast that buys and sells. We are flesh; therefore, we are Anti Christ (opposed to Spirit).
When Revelation is finished with us we will be the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.
Romans 8:3 ....God sending his own Son in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh (us)...
Sinful flesh (us) was crucified with Christ; Christ arose and we arose with him.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.... they shall shall reign with him a thousand years.
You have already died to the mark you were born with (the beast) (flesh).
Revelation 13:15 ....as many as would not worship the the image of the beast (themselves and things of the flesh) should be killed.
Revelation 9:18 By these three were a third part of man killed, by FIRE, and by smoke, and by brimstone...
You were raised with Christ and now Christ lives in you.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming FIRE.
You now live in the purifying fire of CHRIST where the beast and false prophet are:
Revelation 19:20.. cast alive into FIRE; cast alive into Christ.
The book of Revelation is a symbolic book we have to always remember that, in that water represents people woman represents church, when they arrested Jesus and Peter went to watch they recognize him cause yes spoke like Jesus, his whole way of life was like Jesus.
Will a born again christian who loves God be killed for not taking the mark.... It's clear that the mark is important to buy food and gas and necessities so if I am alive when that occurs I must die for christ rather live temporarily on earth and be cast into hell...
The Mark of the beast is not an injection or a trick by the Devil, it will be a conscious decision to follow the Devils way or choose the way of God, the mark will not be a mark that is imprinted on your hand or head, but because of your decision you take and the way you live they will know you.
may Christ strengthen you in your weakness and give you wisdom and understanding of the word of God. If Jesus said we had to forgive our brothers and sisters in the Lord seven times a day than how much more will our heavenly Father forgive us. Being said that Jesus will forgive the same sin but he will expect you to learn from your mistakes. If you refuse to learn from your mistakes than yes he will refuse to forgive you of that sin until you learn better. Jesus said my spirit will not always strive with man. ( Genesis 6:3) There is a point where God will stop listening to a forgiveness of the same sin over and over again. So, pray for God to strengthen your weakness in that area. God be with you stay prayed up so you can go up
As mentioned earlier, we can't be completely sure about the present day countries that are reflected by those names given in Ezekiel 38:1,2. Therefore, many are loathed to publicize their impressions. However, some have & generally they have assumed the following: since Magog, Meshech & Tubal were all sons of Japheth (Noah's son), & it is supposed that Japheth moved into those northern parts of Europe: Ezekiel 38:15 (i.e. the vast area occupied by Russia), then those names must have their counterparts in Russia. So Magog is seen as meaning "Prince of Rosh", or Russia. Meshech, as Moscow. Tubal, as a Siberian city. It is difficult to know how accurate these interpretations are, therefore I don't subscribe to them because of the burden to be accurate in biblical hermeneutics & thus what we share to others.
In Revelation 13:1-8, we see the vision given to the Apostle John of a "beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." And this beast was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear & a lion's mouth. If we refer to Daniel 7:3-7, we see similar animals but they denote the kingdoms of the world (v17). The Lion as King Nebuchadnezzar of the Babylonian Empire; the bear as the Medo-Persian Empire; the leopard as Grecian Empire; & the fourth, the Roman Empire. And out of the Roman Empire, was seen 10 horns. These were nations that had come out of that Empire (7:24), with one horn arising that will be prominent in the last days (Antichrist).
"We'll knock out everyone's teeth," Putin Warns those who seek to "bite a chink out of Russia." He said: "The key is our developed armed forces."
Putin has game-over "devices" confidence ( Daniel 11:25). The king of the north strength.
The "spoiler at noonday" commands a 3pm strike, when the sun is yet high in the sky.
( Jeremiah 15:7-9)
7 And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people, since they return not from their ways.
8 Their widows are increased to me above the sand of the seas: I have brought upon them against the mother of the young men a spoiler at noonday: I have caused him to fall upon it suddenly, and terrors upon the city.
9 She that hath borne seven languisheth: she hath given up the ghost; her sun is gone down while it was yet day: she hath been ashamed and confounded: and the residue of them will I deliver to the sword before their enemies, saith the LORD.
( Isaiah 47:7-9) Different prophet, same DOTL account.
7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.
8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
Brother Dan, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
The old heaven and the old earth are symbols of the Old Covenant. The new heavens and new earth are symbols of the NEW COVENANT. The sea is also symbolic of:
Revelation 17:15 .... The waters (seas) which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea (remember Abraham was told the people would be as the sand of the sea), and I saw a beast rise out of the sea (multitude of peoples).....
WE all start our lives under the power of the prince of the air (Satan; serpent of the sea).
Isaiah 27:1 ....even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
Revelation 21:1 ...and there was no more sea (Satan was defeated at Christ resurrection ,the NEW Covenant.
Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men....
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLETH IN YOU?
1 Corinthians 15:55 O Grave where is thy victory? Accomplished at the NEW COVENANT.
Revelation 1:3 .....for the time is at hand....Fulfilled at Christ death and resurrection.
Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet..... But now we see not YET all things put under him.
We are in the DAY OF THE LORD. One day; that hasn't been completed YET.
The US = Mystery Babylon: No other country is close to Sodom and Gomorrah than America.
The Beast = Russia: No other country fits the description like Russia. The characteristics of the beast shouts Russia:
1) "More stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones ( Daniel 7:20).
2) He is the 8th and is of the 7. Russia is, was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7 ( Revelation 17:20).
3) In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has been healed into the Russian Federation. The people will marvel at Russia ( Revelation 13:3).
4) Even though God has always held back Esau (Russia), he will now bring Esau forth with his northern army to destroy Jacob (US/NATO/Israel) ( Ezekiel 38:4).
5) Obadiah states Esau (Russia) annihilated Jacob (US/Israel) then engaged in destruction beyond Babylon with an "evil thought" ( Ezekiel 38:10), by taking 3 allies from his own camp.
6) Esau pounds Jacob so badly that the earth is knocked off its axis and wobbles back and forth like a drunkard ( Isaiah 24:20).
7) The last time Esau and Jacob met up was on the trail, Genesis 33. Jacob was afraid Esau would kill him for stealing his birthright, but instead they exchanged gifts and parted ways.
8) Esau will make Jacob lean this time around ( Isaiah 24:1-16).
Hi Harris the shot and green pea are not the mark of the beast these are precursors leading up to it. But they will use these things to track those who refuse from obeying the laws of man. If you accept the mark of the beast you will be able to buy and sell if you refuse you will be killed Revelation 13:15 to the end
Phil, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
CHRIST'S rule upon earth is not done from the natural Jerusalem existing in Israel east of the Mediterranean Sea; it is done through NEW JERUSALEM described in Revelation 21.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are THE TEMPLE OF IT.
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was offered ONCE to BEAR THE SINS of many; and unto them that (the SPIRIT causes) to look for him shall he APPEAR THE SECOND TIME (second coming) WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.
NEW JERUSALEM is ruling NOW. You can live in NEW JERUSALEM NOW.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN and NEW EARTH (born of the SPIRIT): for the First heaven and the first earth were passed away (died on the cross with CHRIST);and there was no more sea (that the beast came out of). Revelation 13:1
Revelation 21:2 And I John saw (in vision) the holy city, New Jerusalem, COMING DOWN FROM GOD (SPIRIT) out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (CHRIST IN YOU Colossians 1:27)
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLETH IN YOU.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice (Holy Spirit) out of heaven saying, Behold, THE TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, and HE SHALL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and GOD HIMSELF (SPIRIT) shall be with them (and in them), an be their God.
WE SUFFER in THIS FLESH; until this flesh dies, and we are given the BODY OF CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have PUT ON incorruption, and this mortal MUST PUT ON immortality.
1 Timothy 6:16 ....Who ONLY hath immortality.....
Luke 1:69 ..raised up a HORN of salvation...
Revelation 17:16-17 and the ten HORNS (saved) ... shall hate the whore, and shall make her DESOLATE and NAKED, and shall eat her flesh, and BURN HER WITH FIRE.
And waters mean; peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues
Revelation 17:v.15 - 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
No sea;
Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
On the other hand: Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: (no sea)
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Most Christians believe that at the judgement of the world the wicked will be cast into LITERAL FIRE for all ETERNITY.
If this is true then it make those scriptures that say ALL will OBEY and WORSHIP GOD a LIE; therefore the ones that believe this are calling God a LIAR.
Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 15:4 ....for ALL NATIONS shall come and WORSHIP before THEE ....
Revelation 3:9 ...I WILL MAKE THEM to come and WORSHIP before thy feet.....
Psalms 22:27 ALL the ends of the world shall REMEMBER and TURN (repent) unto the LORD, and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass .....shall ALL flesh come to WORSHIP before me..
You can't have an ETERNAL LITERAL FIRE torturing God's creation and a SAVIOUR of man exist together: be careful which one you chose.
Most believe hell wins: FEW find the way!
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.
1 Timothy 4:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have (not maybe) ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and come to the knowledge of TRUTH (CHRIST)
1 John 4 :14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father (THE WORD) SENT the SON TO BE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me VOID, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I SENT IT.
Revelations 15:4 ...for ALL NATIONS shall come and worship before thee...
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Jesus was SENT by his FATHER to be the saviour of the world; HE WILL NOT FAIL!
There was no sin until man was created.
Romans 8:20 For the creature (man) was created SUBJECT TO VANITY, not willingly, but by reason of him (God) who hath SUBJECTED the same (man) in hope,
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Ecclesiastes 3:11 ....also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from beggining to the end.
Adam and Eve were created with a heart subject to the weakness of FLESH.
They were predestined to sin because; Christ was predestined to die for OUR sins:
Revelation 13:8 And ALL THAT DWELL upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of the life of the Lamb SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION of the world.
It seems we are not on the same page. I'm sorry my reply was not clear. I will try again but let's not be disrespectful. The thread you first replied to about the abomination of desolation was discussing teaching I do not agree with. It is called the seven years of tribulation using the last week in ( Daniel 9:27). It developed in the 17th Century, and it quickly led to an understanding that the Rapture of the Church would be an event separate from and before the second coming of Christ.
The beast does only have 42 months. It starts in Revelation 12 when Michael stands up and Satan is cast down to earth, the third woe. ( Revelation 12:7-9) Satan then gives his power, seat, and great authority to the beast. ( Revelation 13:2-8)
There is another beast with two horns, the false prophet, ( Revelation 13:11-18) he is the one that does miracles, fires from heaven, creates the image of the beast, and causes who will not worship this image to be killed, this beast causes people to take the mark of the beast all in 42 months.
This is just a small bit of information but I hope it makes sense and clears up misunderstanding. If I may and not offend, may I suggest studying the day of the Lord?
RLW
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If I understand you correctly, the abomination of desolations spoken of by Daniel in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 is what you tie the last half of the 70th week to the antichrist and the 42 months?
Many may disagree but, the abomination of desolation has nothing to do with the beast in Revelation. If you read Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, what Jesus told four of the Apostles on the Mount of Olives. First, we must understand at this time none of the Apostles even knew Jesus was going to die, they thought Jesus was going to set up the kingdom then. Even after He resurrected, they did not believe He had been killed.
Some of this discourse was about the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem and some about Jesus second coming. If you study history of this time, you will see there were earthquakes, wars, famine, pestilence and more. All through the New Testament people was starving and they were selling and donating for those in Jerusalem that were without, many died.
Why would people today have to pray their flight not be on a Sabbath? In the time of the destruction of the temple the gates of Jerusalem would have been locked on the Sabbath, they couldn't get out. The temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD was totally wiped away, the people in Jerusalem turned to cannibalism during this siege of Rome, it was the worst horror Jerusalem had ever faced.
No believers in Christ died, they fled to the city Pella before the destruction. Many put Revelation 12 with the casting down of Satan long ago but Satan still has access to heaven because he accuses daily. When Satan is cast down to earth in Rev. 12 it is permanent they rejoice in heaven. Satan then gives his power seat and authority to the beast ( Revelation 13:1-5).
Sorry, this is short may it be enough to inspire study.
God Bless,
RLW
As I'm sure you know "hell" is just the English word that took over four "places". Sheol in Hebrew and in Greek Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus(used only once as the place where the angels that sinned are chained reserved unto judgement). Then of coarse the lake of fire where Hades is said to be cast.
My feelings of me being a judge to others in the end. In Christ. Right now I see it as this. If God wanted me to judge others the first thing I would do is ask God how He wanted me to judge. If it were God's Will for me to forgive everyone I most certainly would do that. Or righteous judgement. To me righteous judgement is not just pardoning or forgiving everyone. It would be weighing that persons heart, soul, intents, everything in life etc. Them making a righteous judgement on their life. As in the Old and New Testaments it is stated everyone shall be judged or recompensed according to our deeds in this life.
All in all Gods Will shall be done. Weather I understand it or not. Also as my full trust is in the Lord and I know anything is possible with God. As His ways, thoughts, intent and glory are so far above us I really don't see anyone knowing exactly what shall be. Keep our faith and full trust in Him with a pure heart and He will guide us in love.
As I like to always bring up that the most important thing is us staying focused on Him. They ways of Jesus Christ our Lord whom is our Savior to eternal life with the Father.
All praise and glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord which permeates straight to our Holy Father. We are noting without Him.
Like stated even though we may have different views on certain things. That's ok. You are still my brother in the Lord forever and are a very special member in the body of Christ. We are to love one another. The only thing I hate is sin or evil. Not the person who commits it as we are all able to be saved by the blood of Christ. As we were all on the wrong path at some point in our lives.
God Bless.
My view on all(everyone) being saved is this. If this were true, in my eyes, it actually would not matter, in the end, weather the person is a child of God or a child of the devil. As of coarse it is of the highest honor to have been chosen by God to be in Christ to be one of His and live for His Will. As truly my entire life is surrounded around Jesus Christ and wanting to live for the Will of our Father and please Him. Forever.
Though everybody is different I think some may just take that, all being saved in the end, as a free pass to do whatever they want, in this life, with no worry of consequence. Which I have stated before that it could be dangerous to preach that to the people who would take it as such and maybe make them worse people instead of better. Proverbs 9:10, Matthew 10:28, Hebrews 10:31.
As I have gone through my Bible and taken notes of verses from Christ and the Apostles about the "saved and unsaved". Easily over twenty times. Just seeing a verse like Matthew 25:46. Which states "everlasting punishment". Maybe in a verse like 1 Corinthians 1:18. Christ is "to them that perish" foolish but to us(saved) it is "the power of God".
Maybe to bring up one friend the Lord has brought me to just after being saved. It was at a funeral I first saw this friend after around twenty years. The Lord wanted me to tell someone about Him and something told me he was the one. This friend had actually had very spiritual experiences as well though not all good. The devil actually came to him and wanted his daughters soul. The Lord has pulled him from the road to destruction and set him on the right path. Though he is not perfect, as none of us are, we can talk for hours. One thing he perceives is this is "hell". As we don't see eye to eye on every aspect it's ok because I know he is a good person and courageous. Not afraid of any person or to speak what he feels.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, not having the Spirit.
1 Peter 2:8 ...even to them that stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto they were APPOINTED.
God is assembling a specific group of people in this age. The Priest that are going to rule, reign and judge the rest of the world in the ages to come. If you weren't CALLED (my sheep here my voice) to this glory then you were appointed to wait till the manifestion of the Sons of God. Since it is God's choice and not ours, God want condemn those for eternity that were not chosen to be Priest. They will be judged latter in US and CHRIST.
Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building you yourselves on you most holy faith (Christ is our faith), praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jude 1:21 Keeping yourselves (by Christ) in the love of God, looking for MERCY of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life (I am the life).
Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jude 1:23 And others save (teaching truth) with fear (respect unto God), pulling them out of the fire (Christ judgement in spiritual fire, just as effective as literal fire)(teaching them knowledge of God's plan), hating even the garment spotted with flesh.
Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns (Sons of God, power through Christ) which though saw on the beast, these shall hate the whore (unfaithfulness), and make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with FIRE,
Revelation 17:17 For God hath put it in their hearts to fulfil HIS WILL (all men will be saved), and give their kingdom (Christ in you) unto the beast, until the words of God (all will worship God) shall be fulfilled.
God bless
I know we as brothers and sisters don't agree on all things, Yet. I also believe that God has designed it that way. He said that household would be brother against brother, sister against sister, etc. This is one of those TEST we endure. Flesh reacts with anger or some other similar trait with his brother. Spirit is long suffering and patient, both are works of God that burn wood, hay, stubble, and purify gold and silver.
1 Corinthians 3:11-13
The Spirit caused me to stop believing in Hell as a place of torture for eternity; because, I can't reconcile it to FIT and not contradict other scriptures.
1 Timothy 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN, specially of those that BELIEVE.
1 Timothy 4:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.
I BELIEVE Christ will save the world; although, not all in the age we are in now.
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1 Timothy 2:4 Who WILL HAVE (God's will; will be done) all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of truth.
Romans 8:21 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF ALSO SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious LIBERTY of the CHILDREN OF GOD.
I BELIEVE this is done in the ages to come after the SONS OF GOD have been revealed.
Romans 8:19 ...Creation WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of God.
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Since Christ is in us and causes us to LOVE OUR ENEMIES. I think he knows how to judge in righteousness and not torture.
Proverbs 16:6 Through MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged....
As I know your views are very spiritual and that is good. Though just on one thing I would like to bring up about "fire". I very much understand God or Christ is a consuming fire and we are tried by fire as gold. To purify us. As in 1 Corinthians 3:13. Matthew 3:11.
Though as I will show you with one verse not ALL fire, to me anyway, is Christ, the Holy Ghost, or God in essence the way you perceive. As this fire would guide us to keep us clean and pure for God's Will.
Of coarse God made fire this just showing it is not always where we want to be.
At the end of Jude. In Jude 1:23 it speaks of how we should "save with fear" some people "pulling them out of the fire". As I think you will agree I don't think it is talking about pulling anyone out of the "fire of Christ". More likely the fire spoken of in Revelation 20:15, Matthew 25:41.
Also in the book of Enoch. Here is a small portion of chapter 108: for their names shall be blotted out of the book of life and out of the holy books, and their seed shall be destroyed for ever, and their spirits shall be slain, and they shall cry and make lamentation in a place that is a chaotic wilderness, and in the fire shall they burn.
I know you and me have gone over this before in that I think you perceive everyone "will be saved" in the end. Which I don't fully agree with but that's ok. Whatever the Will of God is, that shall be. Us being Blessed to be with the Lord Jesus Christ is a priceless treasure.
God Bless you brother Earl.
This website did it to me again. I did not type 144. I typed one-hundred and forty four thousand.
It is my understanding that a born again Christian would never take the mark. A person cannot receive the mark without first worshiping the beast. Someone who is born of God's Spirit would never bow down and worship the beast.
It is also my understanding that if that time comes during our lifetime, we as born again believers will not be here anyway.
People are going to be given a choice right at the mid-point of the tribulation period to either take the mark and be able to buy and sell, or refuse and be put to death (probably beheaded).
The people who refuse to take the mark are those who chose to receive Christ sometime during the first 3-1/2 years of the tribulation period.
Every believer prior to the 7 year tribulation period will have already been snatched away by Christ and will not be faced with having to make the choice as to whether or not receive the mark.
But you have to keep in mind that there will be people getting saved during the the tribulation period as they will be warned not to take the mark. There will be the two witnesses preaching Christ. There will be an angel flying around in mid-heaven who will be warning people. And there will also be 144,000 Jews who will be evangelizing and warning people. The ones who receive Christ from their testimonies will be the ones who will refuse the mark. Those who receive the mark are the ones who continued to reject the testimony because of the hardness of their hearts.
Before you can understand Revelation you have to BELIEVE a few things.
Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND. You have to believe that it is relevant right this minute; that it's instructions on how our flesh is destroyed so be can inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 15:50 ...flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God..
Revelation 1:1 ...and he sent and SIGNIFIED it...
You have to believe that most nouns represent something other than what a dictionary defines them as.
Romans 8:20 For the creature (man) was made subject to vanity....
We start life with no faithfulness to our creator (husband); therefore, we are the WHORE. We have no knowledge of the word of God; therefore, we are the false prophet, we have no love or mercy; therefore we are the BEAST. We are the only beast that buys and sells. We are flesh; therefore, we are Anti Christ (opposed to Spirit).
When Revelation is finished with us we will be the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.
Romans 8:3 ....God sending his own Son in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh (us)...
Sinful flesh (us) was crucified with Christ; Christ arose and we arose with him.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.... they shall shall reign with him a thousand years.
You have already died to the mark you were born with (the beast) (flesh).
Revelation 13:15 ....as many as would not worship the the image of the beast (themselves and things of the flesh) should be killed.
Revelation 9:18 By these three were a third part of man killed, by FIRE, and by smoke, and by brimstone...
You were raised with Christ and now Christ lives in you.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming FIRE.
You now live in the purifying fire of CHRIST where the beast and false prophet are:
Revelation 19:20.. cast alive into FIRE; cast alive into Christ.
may Christ strengthen you in your weakness and give you wisdom and understanding of the word of God. If Jesus said we had to forgive our brothers and sisters in the Lord seven times a day than how much more will our heavenly Father forgive us. Being said that Jesus will forgive the same sin but he will expect you to learn from your mistakes. If you refuse to learn from your mistakes than yes he will refuse to forgive you of that sin until you learn better. Jesus said my spirit will not always strive with man. ( Genesis 6:3) There is a point where God will stop listening to a forgiveness of the same sin over and over again. So, pray for God to strengthen your weakness in that area. God be with you stay prayed up so you can go up
God bless
Cowboy
In Revelation 13:1-8, we see the vision given to the Apostle John of a "beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." And this beast was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear & a lion's mouth. If we refer to Daniel 7:3-7, we see similar animals but they denote the kingdoms of the world (v17). The Lion as King Nebuchadnezzar of the Babylonian Empire; the bear as the Medo-Persian Empire; the leopard as Grecian Empire; & the fourth, the Roman Empire. And out of the Roman Empire, was seen 10 horns. These were nations that had come out of that Empire (7:24), with one horn arising that will be prominent in the last days (Antichrist).
Putin has game-over "devices" confidence ( Daniel 11:25). The king of the north strength.
The "spoiler at noonday" commands a 3pm strike, when the sun is yet high in the sky.
( Jeremiah 15:7-9)
7 And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people, since they return not from their ways.
8 Their widows are increased to me above the sand of the seas: I have brought upon them against the mother of the young men a spoiler at noonday: I have caused him to fall upon it suddenly, and terrors upon the city.
9 She that hath borne seven languisheth: she hath given up the ghost; her sun is gone down while it was yet day: she hath been ashamed and confounded: and the residue of them will I deliver to the sword before their enemies, saith the LORD.
( Isaiah 47:7-9) Different prophet, same DOTL account.
7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.
8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
( Revelation 13:3)
Psalms 89:30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgements;
Psalms 89:31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Psalms 89:32 Then will I visit their transgressions with the rod, and their iniquities with stripes.
Psalms 89:33 Nevertheless MY LOVINGKINDNESS will I not utterly take from him, nor SUFFER MY FAITHFULNESS TO FAIL.
The old heaven and the old earth are symbols of the Old Covenant. The new heavens and new earth are symbols of the NEW COVENANT. The sea is also symbolic of:
Revelation 17:15 .... The waters (seas) which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea (remember Abraham was told the people would be as the sand of the sea), and I saw a beast rise out of the sea (multitude of peoples).....
WE all start our lives under the power of the prince of the air (Satan; serpent of the sea).
Isaiah 27:1 ....even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
Revelation 21:1 ...and there was no more sea (Satan was defeated at Christ resurrection ,the NEW Covenant.
Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men....
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLETH IN YOU?
1 Corinthians 15:55 O Grave where is thy victory? Accomplished at the NEW COVENANT.
Revelation 1:3 .....for the time is at hand....Fulfilled at Christ death and resurrection.
Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet..... But now we see not YET all things put under him.
We are in the DAY OF THE LORD. One day; that hasn't been completed YET.
The US = Mystery Babylon: No other country is close to Sodom and Gomorrah than America.
The Beast = Russia: No other country fits the description like Russia. The characteristics of the beast shouts Russia:
1) "More stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones ( Daniel 7:20).
2) He is the 8th and is of the 7. Russia is, was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7 ( Revelation 17:20).
3) In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has been healed into the Russian Federation. The people will marvel at Russia ( Revelation 13:3).
4) Even though God has always held back Esau (Russia), he will now bring Esau forth with his northern army to destroy Jacob (US/NATO/Israel) ( Ezekiel 38:4).
5) Obadiah states Esau (Russia) annihilated Jacob (US/Israel) then engaged in destruction beyond Babylon with an "evil thought" ( Ezekiel 38:10), by taking 3 allies from his own camp.
6) Esau pounds Jacob so badly that the earth is knocked off its axis and wobbles back and forth like a drunkard ( Isaiah 24:20).
7) The last time Esau and Jacob met up was on the trail, Genesis 33. Jacob was afraid Esau would kill him for stealing his birthright, but instead they exchanged gifts and parted ways.
8) Esau will make Jacob lean this time around ( Isaiah 24:1-16).
CHRIST'S rule upon earth is not done from the natural Jerusalem existing in Israel east of the Mediterranean Sea; it is done through NEW JERUSALEM described in Revelation 21.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are THE TEMPLE OF IT.
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was offered ONCE to BEAR THE SINS of many; and unto them that (the SPIRIT causes) to look for him shall he APPEAR THE SECOND TIME (second coming) WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.
NEW JERUSALEM is ruling NOW. You can live in NEW JERUSALEM NOW.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN and NEW EARTH (born of the SPIRIT): for the First heaven and the first earth were passed away (died on the cross with CHRIST);and there was no more sea (that the beast came out of). Revelation 13:1
Revelation 21:2 And I John saw (in vision) the holy city, New Jerusalem, COMING DOWN FROM GOD (SPIRIT) out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (CHRIST IN YOU Colossians 1:27)
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLETH IN YOU.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice (Holy Spirit) out of heaven saying, Behold, THE TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, and HE SHALL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and GOD HIMSELF (SPIRIT) shall be with them (and in them), an be their God.
WE SUFFER in THIS FLESH; until this flesh dies, and we are given the BODY OF CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have PUT ON incorruption, and this mortal MUST PUT ON immortality.
1 Timothy 6:16 ....Who ONLY hath immortality.....
Luke 1:69 ..raised up a HORN of salvation...
Revelation 17:16-17 and the ten HORNS (saved) ... shall hate the whore, and shall make her DESOLATE and NAKED, and shall eat her flesh, and BURN HER WITH FIRE.