Thanks for the reply, we do agree on much and I also enjoy our discussions. The Greek definition of the soul and death is where I cannot find that in the Scriptures and that is where our understanding parts and I feel the eternal punishment of the lost comes from the soul is immortal.
I believe God and Jesus dwell in us by the Holy Spirit and we have been sealed, the down payment has been given, 2 Cor. 1:22. We are sealed unto redemption day, Ephesians 4:30, and my understanding is that is when we are resurrected.
The same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead will also raise us and quickens our mortal bodies, Romans 8:11, and that is when we receive immortality and our glorified bodies 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. God and Jesus do not still dwell in us after we die/sleep there is no communication, Psalms 6:5. We have the down payment/earnest, the promise, our hope.
God's mercies are new every day and He is very willing to forgive us . If we read carefully about the life of David we will see that he did many things wrong . It wasn't just his relationship with Bathsheba and her husband Uriah . David was very human , just like us .
I read, psalms ch 6.. the message is clear too me that god probably did hear him. It may not have seem as though he heard him, but an example to all who read. That although it seemed god didn't answer him he was LISTENING. I think the suffering and what we assume the causes were is just a reminder to all it could happen to us. I'm sure he went to heaven. I just fill it in my heart. It's a clear learning experience of cold nights on the ground causing pain and as far as his relationships with other woman. Well we assume things,but I recall rumors of mary madeleine also had been with several men. I believe one that old person dies inside of you there is no memories for the person or God. See it's others that lay judgement and shouldn't. Bible speaks of past mistakes and being judged by each other. That's why so many people never truly get healed the way god wants for us. Just a thought.! The past is erased by god
There are some who think that David was afflicted with some type of venereal disease due to his many relations; and the descriptions of his sufferings in such passages. Others say it could be a bone affliction of old age such as osteoporosis. When he was dying he had care for what some would say are hypothermia. We see similar language of David's ailments in Psalm 32.
Apparently; as verses 8 and 10 indicate; God used his enemies to humble him; which were promised due to him in 2 Samuel 12:9 and following after his downfall with Bathsheeba and causing Uriah to die. These would taunt him for the rest of his days; and also would delay the Temple of the Lord to be built because David's transgressions and whatever was meant by his being a "man of war" ( 1 Chron. 28:3). That could be a veiled reference to causing death to Uriah in war; as well as battles that resulted from enemies that came after him due to his own sin.
God did chasten David as he states in verse 1. David surely was a saint of God; as we see from Hebrews 11:32. His broken and contrite spirit as seen in Psalm 51 allowed him to repent as he did many times; admitting his sin. Hopefully; since all scripture is for instruction ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17) we will avoid certain costly sins in our lives as things are written for examples to us in how to live.
"I was greatly troubled in my groaning. I will bathe my bed and my cover each night with my tears. I have become old in the midst of all my enemies. Depart from me, all you who work at lawlessness, for behold the lord has heard the cry of my weeping and the lord has heard my prayer."
That long, horrible gaze into God's ugly mirror, the image of which becomes clean only through a myriad of flowing tears, and God's infinite grace and mercy.
Psalm 56:8-9
"You have taken account of my wanderings. Put my tears in Your bottle- are they not in Your book? Then my enemies will retreat on the day I cry for help. By this I will know that God is on my side."
Exegesis on the Soul - Nag Hammadi Scriptures
Psalm 103:1-5
"Praise the lord, O my soul and all that is within me, praise his holy name. My soul, praise God, who forgave all your sins, who healed all your sicknesses, who ransomed your life from death, who crowned you with mercy, who satisfies your longing with good things. Your youth will be renewed like an eagle's."
Jeremiah 48:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And Moab shall be ashamed of Chemosh, as the house of Israel was ashamed of Bethel their confidence.
Psalms 25:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
Jeremiah 2:36 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Why gaddest thou about so much to change thy way? thou also shalt be ashamed of Egypt, as thou wast ashamed of Assyria.
Psalms 6:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Let all mine enemies be ashamed and sore vexed: let them return and be ashamed suddenly.
Psalms 31:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.
Mark 8:38 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Jeremiah 2:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets,
Luke 9:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Jeremiah 8:12 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Matthew 4:23, Matthew 9:35, Luke 9:1,2,11, 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 6:2, Matthew 10:1,8, Mark 9:23, Mark 9:14-29, Mark 16:17-18,
I have also noticed the Laws given Moses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc. about what GOD said not to eat many of those proven to causes of health problems. I know someone that changed diet & cured her diabetes.
Hello David. It's difficult to tell exactly from the Hebrew, but this verse seems to give direction to the chief musician for use of the stringed musical instruments (Neginoth), & specifically an eight-stringed lyre or harp (sheminith). As you might know, many of the Psalms were put to music & sung by Israel, even the early Church as part of their 'hymal', & so this instruction of using stringed instruments may have been used when this Psalm was sung. Six other Psalms are so directed as well.
During a discussion about marriage, a question came up about mixed race marriages. I grew up with the understanding and have the belief that the Bible has direction regarding the fact that people should marry their own kind. But, I cannot find anything regarding this. I am not talking about homosexuality but rather race, ethnicity, etc. Of course there is the passage that as God's children we "should be evenly yoked". However, my question is - is there a passage regarding race or anything regarding this issue of mixed marriage ie. white should marry white, black should marry black, etc. As a Christian, what is Jesus' teaching or God's commandment - not what society says is okay. If I am somewhat correct, please give me the book, chapter and verse where I might find direction on this matter. Thank you.
Please remember that the sons of God have come for the pulling down of this world's 'Strongholds', religion being the strongest of them all ( 2 Cor. 10:4; Luke 11:21-23).
When it comes to the Medical Profession, please know that the believers live by faith, as the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is their guide in all things. Remember how God took care of a host of 2m people for forty years. He fed them and provided them with water and other essentials. Even their shoes and garments didn't wear out. Also remember that out of the original group that crossed the Red Sea only Joshua & Caleb crossed the Jordan River. All the rest died in the wilderness, while only the new generation crossed the Jordan.
Rather than speaking from personal experience, we believe that the most effective way to be taught and to come to the understanding of 'The Chastening of the Lord' is by the Word of God itself
Psalm 5 is David's prayer to God, as one who stands in awe of God (v 7) & trusts Him for his protection (v 11). Unlike those who won't bend their knee to Him & all they do is wickedness which is abhorrent to God. Remembering, David suffered much from the plans & acts of wicked men against him.
So vv 5 & 6, is David's affirmation about the wicked people's stand before God as compared to those who are righteous. These wicked people are characterized by foolishness (Heb. word is 'holelim' = madmen). They foolishly oppose & fight against God but in that day of Judgement they will not be able to stand (= be acquitted) before God. In the same way, all who speak leasing (an old word meaning, lies or falsehood) shall receive the same fate from God as would those who shed blood & are deceptive in their talk. So these verses describe God's hatred to all manner of sin, whether being deceitful & liars, to those who are quick to shed blood.
So Ruby, if you need, in your meeting, to also give an application to these verses, then you could emphasize the Holy character of God, that He sees all people & their wicked hearts, that nothing escapes Him. We may think that a 'small sin', such as a white lie or being deceitful about something is no great matter, but before God, every sin is abominable & deserving of punishment. The only way to avoid God's anger is to come in fear (awe) of God, humble, cast upon His Mercies & repent sincerely of our past actions. And He does forgive us because of His Son's death on the Cross for us, as Jesus was made the propitiation for our sins ( 1 Jn 4:10, i.e. God's Anger which was against us was put on His Son, so Jesus carried to the Cross, not only our sin but God's Anger as well), & God was satisfied by it & so accepts even the worst sinner into His Family.
"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."
Ecclesiastes 9:10
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?"
Psalms 6:5
"Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"
Psalms 88:12
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this dayFor David did not ascend into the heavens"( Acts 2:29, 34)
Our hope in Christ is the hope of the resurrection.
"For as by a man (Adam) came death, by a man (Jesus) has come also the resurrection of the dead." 1 Corinthians 15:21
WendallBriggs: A person goes to neither Heaven or hell when they die, the Bible clearly tells what death is in Ecclesiastes 9:5, Psalms 6:5, Luke 8:52-56, John 5:28-29, there are more just look. In Genesis 3:4 Satan told the woman Eve Ye shall not surly die, Satan started the lie that a person lives when they die and is the father of all lies. The 2nd coming of Jesus there will be a resurrection
This verse reminds me of the old hymn, ' Trust and Obey'. God's wisdom and understanding is higher than human understanding. We may not understand why things happen, "but all things work together for good to those who love God". It is for our eternal good, not necessarily for our happiness. I am sure Joseph couldn't make any sense of why his brethren treated him so badly but he trusted God.
Mercy for the weak and healing for the vexed,needed by believers living here in world.Hear the rich man in hell with a new understanding of the scriptures and prophets,although too late for him.Believers are ready to leave this world behind at any time because it is painful/difficult to be here.Forgiveness is only found in Christ having paid for all your sins.Either you have it NOW,or you don't.
This Psalm is a mainstay in my life and brings me untold comfort and hope, especially during times of trouble and great worry when there's no human comfort. God Almighty is the only God.
In God's grand plan of victory over evil,he has time and love for the least of his people.He sees,he hears,he provides,he leads.He is worthy of praise,now and forever."And this is life eternal,that they might know thee the only true God,and Jesus Christ,whom thou hast sent.".Knowing God now,is the start of forever for believers.Saved people are the minority in the lost world,but not in heaven.Pray
God is our ever present help in the time of need. He will never leave nor forsake us because He is the omnipotent Father of mercy and grace. He understands the feelings of our infirmities. He sees our pains, hears our cries and comforts us when we are hurting. He is the ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE ONE AND ONLY GOD. Please worship HIM forever and ever. Amen
God is awesome, omnipotent, loving, caring even when we offend Him he does not retaliate like us human. He keep patience waiting for us to still turn back to Him. Psalms 6 teaches us that no matter what happens to us God is not sleeping, he is with us and we should not fear anything even death.
When Christ return many will hear depart from me workers of iniquity let us live Our Lives on a platform of righteousness and hollyness in Christ our saviour. Lord help us to be humble with love for you Father and our fellow men in Jesus name selah.
Thanks for the reply, we do agree on much and I also enjoy our discussions. The Greek definition of the soul and death is where I cannot find that in the Scriptures and that is where our understanding parts and I feel the eternal punishment of the lost comes from the soul is immortal.
I believe God and Jesus dwell in us by the Holy Spirit and we have been sealed, the down payment has been given, 2 Cor. 1:22. We are sealed unto redemption day, Ephesians 4:30, and my understanding is that is when we are resurrected.
The same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead will also raise us and quickens our mortal bodies, Romans 8:11, and that is when we receive immortality and our glorified bodies 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. God and Jesus do not still dwell in us after we die/sleep there is no communication, Psalms 6:5. We have the down payment/earnest, the promise, our hope.
Thanks again brother, have a great day.
God bless.
RLW
Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5, 1Samuel 15:35, Job 10:21,22, Job 34:22, Job 38:17, Revelation 2:7, Luke 23:33-43, Luke 16:19-31, Psalms 6:5, Psalms 48:14, Psalms 49:14, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Isaiah 38:18, Romans 7, 2Corinthians 7:10,
Psalms 56:13, Psalms 89:48, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 14:27, Ecclesiastes 9:4,
Psalms 116:15, Proverbs 14:32, Isaiah 9:2, Isaiah 25:8, Hosea 13:14, Luke 18:33, John 8:51, John 5:24, Acts 2:24-27, Romans 5:10-21, Romans 6:2-23, Romans 8, 2Timothy 1:10, 1John 3:14,
Jeremiah 21:8, Ezekiel 18:31,32, 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 1:18,
Hebrews 2:9-18, Revelation 20, Revelation 21,
Apparently; as verses 8 and 10 indicate; God used his enemies to humble him; which were promised due to him in 2 Samuel 12:9 and following after his downfall with Bathsheeba and causing Uriah to die. These would taunt him for the rest of his days; and also would delay the Temple of the Lord to be built because David's transgressions and whatever was meant by his being a "man of war" ( 1 Chron. 28:3). That could be a veiled reference to causing death to Uriah in war; as well as battles that resulted from enemies that came after him due to his own sin.
God did chasten David as he states in verse 1. David surely was a saint of God; as we see from Hebrews 11:32. His broken and contrite spirit as seen in Psalm 51 allowed him to repent as he did many times; admitting his sin. Hopefully; since all scripture is for instruction ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17) we will avoid certain costly sins in our lives as things are written for examples to us in how to live.
"I was greatly troubled in my groaning. I will bathe my bed and my cover each night with my tears. I have become old in the midst of all my enemies. Depart from me, all you who work at lawlessness, for behold the lord has heard the cry of my weeping and the lord has heard my prayer."
That long, horrible gaze into God's ugly mirror, the image of which becomes clean only through a myriad of flowing tears, and God's infinite grace and mercy.
Psalm 56:8-9
"You have taken account of my wanderings. Put my tears in Your bottle- are they not in Your book? Then my enemies will retreat on the day I cry for help. By this I will know that God is on my side."
Exegesis on the Soul - Nag Hammadi Scriptures
Psalm 103:1-5
"Praise the lord, O my soul and all that is within me, praise his holy name. My soul, praise God, who forgave all your sins, who healed all your sicknesses, who ransomed your life from death, who crowned you with mercy, who satisfies your longing with good things. Your youth will be renewed like an eagle's."
And Moab shall be ashamed of Chemosh, as the house of Israel was ashamed of Bethel their confidence.
Psalms 25:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
Jeremiah 2:36 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Why gaddest thou about so much to change thy way? thou also shalt be ashamed of Egypt, as thou wast ashamed of Assyria.
Psalms 6:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Let all mine enemies be ashamed and sore vexed: let them return and be ashamed suddenly.
Psalms 31:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.
Mark 8:38 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Jeremiah 2:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets,
Luke 9:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Jeremiah 8:12 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
I have also noticed the Laws given Moses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc. about what GOD said not to eat many of those proven to causes of health problems. I know someone that changed diet & cured her diabetes.
Hopefully this is helpful
Please remember that the sons of God have come for the pulling down of this world's 'Strongholds', religion being the strongest of them all ( 2 Cor. 10:4; Luke 11:21-23).
When it comes to the Medical Profession, please know that the believers live by faith, as the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is their guide in all things. Remember how God took care of a host of 2m people for forty years. He fed them and provided them with water and other essentials. Even their shoes and garments didn't wear out. Also remember that out of the original group that crossed the Red Sea only Joshua & Caleb crossed the Jordan River. All the rest died in the wilderness, while only the new generation crossed the Jordan.
Rather than speaking from personal experience, we believe that the most effective way to be taught and to come to the understanding of 'The Chastening of the Lord' is by the Word of God itself
CHASTENING
Deut. 8:5
Job 5:17-19; 6:1-10; 23:10; 33:19
Psalms 6:1-10; 17:3; 30:1-12; 38:1-21; 94:12-14; 102:1-28; 116:1-19; 119:7,67,71
Proverbs 3:11
Isaiah 26:16
1 Cor. 11:32
Hebrews 12:5,6
James 1:12
1 Peter 1:7
Rev. 3:15-21
AFFLICTIONS
Psalms 34:19; 132:1
Isaiah 48:10
Acts 7:10; 20:23
2 Cor. 6:4
Col. 1:24
1 Thess 3:3
Hebrews 12:5-12
Rev. 3:18
SICKNESS AND HEALING
Exodus 15:26
Psalm 6:2
Isaiah 30:26
Jer. 30:17
Eze. 34:16
Hosea 6:1
Mal. 4:2
Matthew 10:8
Mark 2:17
Luke 5:31
James 5:15
1 Peter 2:24
Rev. 22:2
RELYING ON DOCTORS AND MEDICINE
2 Chr. 16:12,13
Job 13:4
Psalms 34:19; 108:12
Isaiah 30:1-3
Jer. 17:5-7,14
Hosea 5:13
Mark 5:25-29
Luke 8:43
MADE PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERING
Job 5:18; 23:10
Psalms 50:5; 119:67,71
Isaiah 48:10
Jer. 31:18
Hosea 5:15; 6:1
Romans 8:17
2 Cor. 4:17
Hebrews 2:10; 5:7-9; 12:10,11
1 Peter 4:1,12; 5:1,9,10
Rev. 3:19
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
So vv 5 & 6, is David's affirmation about the wicked people's stand before God as compared to those who are righteous. These wicked people are characterized by foolishness (Heb. word is 'holelim' = madmen). They foolishly oppose & fight against God but in that day of Judgement they will not be able to stand (= be acquitted) before God. In the same way, all who speak leasing (an old word meaning, lies or falsehood) shall receive the same fate from God as would those who shed blood & are deceptive in their talk. So these verses describe God's hatred to all manner of sin, whether being deceitful & liars, to those who are quick to shed blood.
So Ruby, if you need, in your meeting, to also give an application to these verses, then you could emphasize the Holy character of God, that He sees all people & their wicked hearts, that nothing escapes Him. We may think that a 'small sin', such as a white lie or being deceitful about something is no great matter, but before God, every sin is abominable & deserving of punishment. The only way to avoid God's anger is to come in fear (awe) of God, humble, cast upon His Mercies & repent sincerely of our past actions. And He does forgive us because of His Son's death on the Cross for us, as Jesus was made the propitiation for our sins ( 1 Jn 4:10, i.e. God's Anger which was against us was put on His Son, so Jesus carried to the Cross, not only our sin but God's Anger as well), & God was satisfied by it & so accepts even the worst sinner into His Family.
Ecclesiastes 9:10
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?"
Psalms 6:5
"Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"
Psalms 88:12
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this dayFor David did not ascend into the heavens"( Acts 2:29, 34)
Our hope in Christ is the hope of the resurrection.
"For as by a man (Adam) came death, by a man (Jesus) has come also the resurrection of the dead." 1 Corinthians 15:21