Glad to see your interest in the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament, as the old covenant was writing with the finger of God, the Old Testament was created by angels. We are first told this truth from Steven in Acts 7:53 he taught the law of Moses was given by the disposition of angels, then the apostle Paul taught in Galatians 3:19 the Old Testament was ordained by angels. These words are interchangeable, as they have the same meaning, to set in order, or to create, meaning, it was not God who created the Old Testament, it was the angels. When understanding that this law was destroyed by the Lord Jesus on Calvary from Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 our focus must be only on those 613 laws regarding, the seven feasts of Israel, animal sacrifices, clean and unclean, new moons and sabbaths, and such like. We never refer to the prophecies that were written during that dispensation as part of the law being destroyed, as these were not the law of Moses at all. Just like Psalms and proverbs and so forth, these are not the Old Testament, they were written during that dispensation, but this does not make them part of that ceremonial law. Today we follow the New Testament and the new covenant, which are the Ten Commandments written in the heart, we also observe the gospel and the gospel of the kingdom, as Christians today, but we are forbidden to obey one Old Testament law as it will bring a curse upon Christians to obey all the O.T. Galatians 3:10 Therefore in conclusion, we understand the will of God today as follows, the gospel, the New Testament, the gospel of the kingdom and the new covenant. If you desire to learn the difference between any of these four categories which make up the will of God, please let me know and we can look into together. Stay blessed
Hello Dr. Lee. I've been following this thread with interest, as I have in my earlier comments in past months, referred to the abrogation of the Law by the coming of Christ & by His Sacrifice; that 'the letter of the Law kills but the Spirit gives life'. Therefore, any appeal to the Decalogue, however unchanged its moral & spiritual requirements might be ( Romans 7:12), would only show that we're subjecting ourselves to a Law, given to Israel, for the purposes of pointing them to their failure to fully keep it & their resulting deserved punishment. I even think of Luke 18:18-25, where the rich ruler followed the letter of the Law perfectly, yet was found lacking because he broke the very first commandment (wealth was also his god).
Yet I noticed in this thread, your clear separation of the Old Covenant (specifically, the Mosaic) & the Old Testament. I must confess that I too gave little consideration to this, believing that the Old Testament was important for its historical & many worthy Truths that we can learn from & be encouraged in the knowledge of God. But I understand from your comments, that the Old Testament (the Torah, the Prophets, & the Writings) have been "destroyed & not replaced". Could you enlarge on this aspect, as I'm wondering if all has been destroyed, what about the prophetical aspects that are yet to be fulfilled (some at Christ's coming, others still in the future)? I ask this, because I would hesitate in making such a bold statement to someone given the many worthy Truths still embedded in the OT, & though much of it fulfilled in the New, should we now totally disregard the Old? I use both the OT & NT with confidence for its Truth & applicability (when rightly divided). I would balk if someone taught me to disregard the OT altogether. Maybe that's not what you mean - just seeking clarification, thank you.
After reading your comment I see you are confusing the Old Testament with the old covenant, these are not the same thing, the old covenant is the Ten Commandments in stone, the Lord Jesus fulfilled it, then he took it away as it had an expiry date Matthew 5:18, it would only last until he fulfilled it. Christ did fulfill it by the time of John the Baptist, therefore he gave the expiry date again Luke 16:16 But when we speak about the Old Testament it was destroyed on the cross, being nailed to the cross and abolished Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 not the old English word abolished means to destroy.
I read what you wrote and questions have arisen from your thoughts, you stated the Old Testament was not destroyed based upon Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15, I think you should re=read those scriptures again and pray over them for meaning, also, if the Old Testament is not destroyed can you obey even one Old Testament law today? Knowing if you do, you are cursed as a Christians to obey all 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 Then you said I should read Hebrews 9:11-14 stating the ordinances are no longer of value because of the blood of Christ, I do not think these verses are teaching what you are implying at all, as this is about the blood of Christ cleaning our conscience, not about him removing the Old Testament by his blood. You then went on to talk about the Ten Commandments in stone from Matthew 5:18 and then you quoted it again from Galatians 5:14, I will ask this question, do you know the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament? By your thoughts it appears you think they are the same thing, otherwise why mention the Law of God, when I was talking about the Old Testament being destroyed? The Ten Commandments in stone is the old covenant, it is not a testament, please do not confuse them, they must be kept separate, as the old covenant was replaced with the new covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in the heart. Hebrews 8:6-7 But the Old Testament was not replaced it was destroyed.
It is true when you say today we give from the heart, but this is not the case when you are being told Malachi 3:8-10 God will curse you if you do not tithe. Why do people not understand that in Malachi, God wanted meat in his house, not money, as Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy all testify that tithing has nothing to do with money, it is always about fruits, vegetables and animals, and a man must eat his tithe with his wife, children, slaves, and a Levitical priest, once every year. The freedom you spoke of is an illusion for many who do not know the bible, that tithing was for Israel alone, and it was destroyed with all the other laws of Moses from the Old Testament. Now do I really care about tithing, no, I care about people not obeying one Old Testament law, otherwise they will be cursed to obey all the 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 % Galatians 5:1-4
In the Gospels, Jesus quotes the old testament many times and how in his coming the old testament is fulfilled,
In the two verses you quoted, as in Colossians 2:14-15 Jesus is talking about blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, not the laws. Hebrews 9:11-14 explains why the ordinances are no longer necessary, because of the blood of Christ,
Rather he exemplifies the laws as in Matthew 5:21-45, 18-"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Galatians 5:14-23 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." 22&23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith," "Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
Hi Rick Mentzer; I hope you have understood the priesthood of Levi, for the entire Old testament has been destroyed by the Lord Jesus Christ, on Calvary, as he nailed it to his cross, he had slain that law of Moses and broke down that middle wall of partition that kept the Jews and Gentiles at war with each other. Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15
If you have fully comprehended this then you too would not be involved in tithing, or unclean animals, or circumcision for salvation, and the like. Also I would recommend reading time and again the Apostle Paul's master piece on the Ten Commandments in stone, known as the old covenant, and also Hagar. for Christians today must be under the Ten Commandments in the heart, known as the new covenant, and also Sarah. Galatians 4:21-31 I have written about this here in this book of Galatians, for your reading, and to further advance the knowledge of liberty given unto Christians who need to be make from the obeying any Old Testament laws, or the Ten Commandments in stone.
I desire to comment on verse four alone, when God swore, he made a promise, that the Lord Jesus Christ would be a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek. From this promise we understand that the whole Old Testament is of no longer any value to Christianity, why, due to the fact it remains under the priesthood of Levi, knowing Christ was not from that tribe, but from the tribe of Judah. Therefore he cannot go under the Old Testament law as a priest to help anyone, thus, the Apostle Paul concludes; Galatians 5:1-4 if you obey even one Old Testament law, Christ will profit you nothing, you are fallen from grace, being cursed to obey all the Old Testament law because you obeyed one, Old Testament law. Galatians 3:10 As Christians we should also know that the Muslim religion is false, based upon God never repenting of the Melchizedek priesthood given unto the Lord Jesus Christ, knowing that Islam is build upon Old Testament laws from the priesthood of Levy, so with affirmation, and without doubt we can stand boldly and testify God is not a double minded person.
Thanks, I totally agree, I guess I could have left that out. Melchizedek is a subject we do not have enough biblical information to find the truth. He is in only three books Genesis 14, Psalms 110:4 and Hebrews 5 and 7. He's a mysterious figure being king of Salem or Shalem, that was known as Jebus, the city of Jebusites that David defeated and now is Jerusalem.
The priest was called of God, as Aaron was, and all the priest to Israel were the Levitical priesthood, that was the order. We know Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, and Psalms 110:4 was fulfilled by Jesus. It is an interesting subject and there is more that could be discussed but where would it go. It will still end with questions unanswered.
It would have been something if Jesus set out similar to Melchizedek, with no record of birth etc. vs 4 Thou (Jesus) art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
( Psalms 110:1-6) Affirms the divinity of Jesus and His part in God's plan.
1 (A Psalm of David.) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
verses 5-6 God calls Jesus "The Lord at thy right hand", and could have easily said "The God at thy right hand". God reminds us of sixth trumpet Jesus' day, the biggest one-sided battle ever, none like it afterwards. The Lord uses kings and armies of the earth to do his will, to fulfill scripture till time is out.
It is truly heart breaking to see how believers in Jesus Christ can become so divided. Calling one another sinners, cursed, or condemning them because they have slightly different views.
Psalms 14:1 reads: The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Seems to be aimed toward atheists or ungodly people. Not Christians.
I really don't think it's a big deal if people call Jesus Christ "God". I don't think our Father minds as long as we believe in His Son. It is our Fathers intention that we worship His son. He is the only way to the Father.
As Chris stated there are many, many, Scriptures that prove Jesus Christ and God Almighty, our Father, are not the exact same. Though they are One. If that's too hard for some to comprehend I'm sorry. As Jesus Christ always points to His Father and the Father always points to Jesus. They are not selfish but meek. Just as His Word teaches us to be.
Here's one verse from the NT one From the OT. And there are so many more but I'm ending with these. Please my brothers and sisters. There is no problem in seeking the truth. That's what our Father wants us to do. Please don't curse, or condemn, one another because your views of the Lord may be a little different. God Bless Everyone!
Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
It is self explanatory that the issues that the LORD is speaking about are coming to past! Governments are raising up leaders that are ill bent on total chaos!! And their mind set is that of one that is being sent from a biblical stand point! The issues of this psalms read just like today's paper!! Let us be mindful and pray for our governments......
Juan: When Lord is All Capital Letters LORD or GOD It's Yahweh or Jehovah. Most People Don't Read LORD as Jehovah or Yahweh. I Use The Name Jehovah. Hebrews Would Not Use Vowels, They Write YHWH. The KJB Translated to LORD. I Read it as Jehovah, You Get a Better Understanding of what's Written. Like in Psalms 110:1 The LORD Said to my Lord: Jehovah Said to Jesus.
The oath was or is to Christ 6:16 when God swore by himself David wrote psalms 110:4 "The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, tho art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. Who was a king and a priest. We as well as Abraham are joint-heirs with Jesus Christ Ro. 8: 17 therefore we receive the promises and the oath of God as well Heb. 7:21. Glory be to God in the highest. Amen!
Enemies that are against Christ and Christians are both physical and spiritual. Christian can have a continuous victory like David if we sit close enough to Our savior Jesus and eventually rest on every side like David had later in his life.
I take it that since Christ is the king of the universe, he will assassinate those who refuse to submit to His rule. After all he has the power to kill and also to raise back to life at the general resurrection.
the holy spirit. Everything was given by holy men of God or men that God ordained to write what he wanted
written. Where do angels fit into this? Gods angels or messengers are here to help people do what God wants
done. I.E. warn of danger sodom and gomorrah minister to Jesus christ bring messages of good tidings.
Glad to see your interest in the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament, as the old covenant was writing with the finger of God, the Old Testament was created by angels. We are first told this truth from Steven in Acts 7:53 he taught the law of Moses was given by the disposition of angels, then the apostle Paul taught in Galatians 3:19 the Old Testament was ordained by angels. These words are interchangeable, as they have the same meaning, to set in order, or to create, meaning, it was not God who created the Old Testament, it was the angels. When understanding that this law was destroyed by the Lord Jesus on Calvary from Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 our focus must be only on those 613 laws regarding, the seven feasts of Israel, animal sacrifices, clean and unclean, new moons and sabbaths, and such like. We never refer to the prophecies that were written during that dispensation as part of the law being destroyed, as these were not the law of Moses at all. Just like Psalms and proverbs and so forth, these are not the Old Testament, they were written during that dispensation, but this does not make them part of that ceremonial law. Today we follow the New Testament and the new covenant, which are the Ten Commandments written in the heart, we also observe the gospel and the gospel of the kingdom, as Christians today, but we are forbidden to obey one Old Testament law as it will bring a curse upon Christians to obey all the O.T. Galatians 3:10 Therefore in conclusion, we understand the will of God today as follows, the gospel, the New Testament, the gospel of the kingdom and the new covenant. If you desire to learn the difference between any of these four categories which make up the will of God, please let me know and we can look into together. Stay blessed
the law which always is true in practice?
Yet I noticed in this thread, your clear separation of the Old Covenant (specifically, the Mosaic) & the Old Testament. I must confess that I too gave little consideration to this, believing that the Old Testament was important for its historical & many worthy Truths that we can learn from & be encouraged in the knowledge of God. But I understand from your comments, that the Old Testament (the Torah, the Prophets, & the Writings) have been "destroyed & not replaced". Could you enlarge on this aspect, as I'm wondering if all has been destroyed, what about the prophetical aspects that are yet to be fulfilled (some at Christ's coming, others still in the future)? I ask this, because I would hesitate in making such a bold statement to someone given the many worthy Truths still embedded in the OT, & though much of it fulfilled in the New, should we now totally disregard the Old? I use both the OT & NT with confidence for its Truth & applicability (when rightly divided). I would balk if someone taught me to disregard the OT altogether. Maybe that's not what you mean - just seeking clarification, thank you.
After reading your comment I see you are confusing the Old Testament with the old covenant, these are not the same thing, the old covenant is the Ten Commandments in stone, the Lord Jesus fulfilled it, then he took it away as it had an expiry date Matthew 5:18, it would only last until he fulfilled it. Christ did fulfill it by the time of John the Baptist, therefore he gave the expiry date again Luke 16:16 But when we speak about the Old Testament it was destroyed on the cross, being nailed to the cross and abolished Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 not the old English word abolished means to destroy.
I read what you wrote and questions have arisen from your thoughts, you stated the Old Testament was not destroyed based upon Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15, I think you should re=read those scriptures again and pray over them for meaning, also, if the Old Testament is not destroyed can you obey even one Old Testament law today? Knowing if you do, you are cursed as a Christians to obey all 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 Then you said I should read Hebrews 9:11-14 stating the ordinances are no longer of value because of the blood of Christ, I do not think these verses are teaching what you are implying at all, as this is about the blood of Christ cleaning our conscience, not about him removing the Old Testament by his blood. You then went on to talk about the Ten Commandments in stone from Matthew 5:18 and then you quoted it again from Galatians 5:14, I will ask this question, do you know the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament? By your thoughts it appears you think they are the same thing, otherwise why mention the Law of God, when I was talking about the Old Testament being destroyed? The Ten Commandments in stone is the old covenant, it is not a testament, please do not confuse them, they must be kept separate, as the old covenant was replaced with the new covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in the heart. Hebrews 8:6-7 But the Old Testament was not replaced it was destroyed.
I appreciate your comment, hope these posts can be of some help to you.
It is true when you say today we give from the heart, but this is not the case when you are being told Malachi 3:8-10 God will curse you if you do not tithe. Why do people not understand that in Malachi, God wanted meat in his house, not money, as Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy all testify that tithing has nothing to do with money, it is always about fruits, vegetables and animals, and a man must eat his tithe with his wife, children, slaves, and a Levitical priest, once every year. The freedom you spoke of is an illusion for many who do not know the bible, that tithing was for Israel alone, and it was destroyed with all the other laws of Moses from the Old Testament. Now do I really care about tithing, no, I care about people not obeying one Old Testament law, otherwise they will be cursed to obey all the 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 % Galatians 5:1-4
In the two verses you quoted, as in Colossians 2:14-15 Jesus is talking about blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, not the laws. Hebrews 9:11-14 explains why the ordinances are no longer necessary, because of the blood of Christ,
Rather he exemplifies the laws as in Matthew 5:21-45, 18-"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Galatians 5:14-23 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." 22&23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith," "Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
righteousness which was part of Gods plan nailing to His Cross as it states in Colossians 2: 8-21 especially
verse 14.
from the heart not because you have to but because you want to. I won't criticise or judge because we are supposed
to walk in Gods Love Agapeo by example but again I understand you.
If you have fully comprehended this then you too would not be involved in tithing, or unclean animals, or circumcision for salvation, and the like. Also I would recommend reading time and again the Apostle Paul's master piece on the Ten Commandments in stone, known as the old covenant, and also Hagar. for Christians today must be under the Ten Commandments in the heart, known as the new covenant, and also Sarah. Galatians 4:21-31 I have written about this here in this book of Galatians, for your reading, and to further advance the knowledge of liberty given unto Christians who need to be make from the obeying any Old Testament laws, or the Ten Commandments in stone.
to walk by daily in Christ!.
Thanks, I totally agree, I guess I could have left that out. Melchizedek is a subject we do not have enough biblical information to find the truth. He is in only three books Genesis 14, Psalms 110:4 and Hebrews 5 and 7. He's a mysterious figure being king of Salem or Shalem, that was known as Jebus, the city of Jebusites that David defeated and now is Jerusalem.
The priest was called of God, as Aaron was, and all the priest to Israel were the Levitical priesthood, that was the order. We know Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, and Psalms 110:4 was fulfilled by Jesus. It is an interesting subject and there is more that could be discussed but where would it go. It will still end with questions unanswered.
God bless, and have a great day.
RLW
Where in scripture does it says Christ was married?
( Psalms 110:1-6) Affirms the divinity of Jesus and His part in God's plan.
1 (A Psalm of David.) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
verses 5-6 God calls Jesus "The Lord at thy right hand", and could have easily said "The God at thy right hand". God reminds us of sixth trumpet Jesus' day, the biggest one-sided battle ever, none like it afterwards. The Lord uses kings and armies of the earth to do his will, to fulfill scripture till time is out.
Here we see the Lord Jesus coming in power and Kings will not stand before him , how about you dear reader will you ?
that is to say a ruin (A Destruction)
Our temple is to be distroyed 3 times
Then He King Messiah Ben David Yeshua (Jesus)
will receive his place
Psalms 110:1
I did the search for you brother:
Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69
Psalms 110:1
Mark 16:19
Acts 2:33
Acts 7:55-56
Romans 8:34
Ephesians 1:20
Colossians 3:1
Hebrews 1:3
Hebrews 8:1
Hebrews 10:12
Hebrews 12:2
( 1 Peter 3:22
Psalms 14:1 reads: The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Seems to be aimed toward atheists or ungodly people. Not Christians.
I really don't think it's a big deal if people call Jesus Christ "God". I don't think our Father minds as long as we believe in His Son. It is our Fathers intention that we worship His son. He is the only way to the Father.
As Chris stated there are many, many, Scriptures that prove Jesus Christ and God Almighty, our Father, are not the exact same. Though they are One. If that's too hard for some to comprehend I'm sorry. As Jesus Christ always points to His Father and the Father always points to Jesus. They are not selfish but meek. Just as His Word teaches us to be.
Here's one verse from the NT one From the OT. And there are so many more but I'm ending with these. Please my brothers and sisters. There is no problem in seeking the truth. That's what our Father wants us to do. Please don't curse, or condemn, one another because your views of the Lord may be a little different. God Bless Everyone!
Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.