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  • Linda on Proverbs 8 - 13 years ago
    PROVERBS CHAPTER 8: IF YOU FIND HIM YOU FIND LIFE AND OBTAIN FAVORS. HIS WORDS ARE RIGHTEOUS: IT IS SIMPLE TO THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND AND RIGHT TO THOSE WHO FIND KNOWLEDGE. HEAR INSTRUCTION AND DO NOT REFUSE IT
  • Gary on Genesis 1 - 13 years ago
    John tells us in His Gospel chapter 1:1 thru 4. The Word is God and He created all. So, God is Christ Jesus. Yahveh came and died on the Cross and thru the name of Jesus we have credentials if we believe, ( Isaiah 45:21God is Our Saviour )He gave up His life for our sins, we ask in the name of Jesus. God said it to us! Check Proverbs 8:31 at creation. But the Book of Job where got tell of creation in chapter 38 in verse 7 includes every soul created. In Genesis the first age was destroyed, well, sunk in water and washed real good. In that flood of Jeremiah. Water gone and no Noah or family. In Noah`s flood the water receeded. It took time. As we read 2 Peter 3:5 tells us of the world of old and in 6 tells us completely flooded and we read of God getting mad in Jeremiah 4:22. Then Peter says in 7. This world I'm standing on now is for fire. God burns all the evil off it. So, when He said that He was telling us we were gona look exactly as we do, then and now. REPLENISH! 2nd time around.God wouldn't ask us to do something unless He Himself wouldn't do it.he loves us.
  • Garyloyd newman on Genesis 1 - 14 years ago
    Job 38:7 sons of God. The whole family was there. Proverbs 8:31 the family was ther with God and His Wisdom. Let us create man in Our Image. The One Who Created All things In John the Gospel is standing there saying it with His "all" His children, The Word is Standing there speaking to Us. One God Father and one family. Read Job & proverbs 8. G
  • Mcgi.org/en/topics/blog_articles/ on John 1 - 14 years ago
    Who is JESUS??? He the Son of GOD or the bible signify the Wisdom of God...in the Book of Proverbs 8:22 is not Christ. He cited 1 Corinthians 1:30 and hastily concluded that Christ is the wisdom for salvation and redemption only, and not the Wisdom instrumental in the creation of every existing thing. Here were his allegations:
    A careful look at the above cited verses will reveal to us the following facts �

    1. The Wisdom of God is a mystery

    2. The hidden Wisdom ordained by God was before the world

    3. It was not known by the princes of this world

    Due to these, they crucified the Lord of Glory.

    The Wisdom of God being mentioned by Paul here is the Wisdom in a mystery, the hidden Wisdom, which is the Lord of Glory. Remember that this Wisdom was ordained by God before the World.
    Who is the Lord of Glory?
    ( James 2:1) �My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.�

    It is crystal clear, therefore, that the Wisdom mentioned by Paul who existed and was ordained by God before the world is the Lord Jesus Christ � The Lord of Glory.

    It this the same Wisdom being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs?

    ( 1 Corinthians 1:24) �But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.�

    The Apostle Paul said, �The Wisdom of God.� A little knowledge in grammar will teach us know that there is no other Wisdom of God because he used the definite article �the.� However, Christ is the Wisdom of God to those who are called. No wonder, Tumbok does not understand because he was not called. God calls people into the Church of God and not in any church founded by man.

    ( 1 Corinthians 1:1-2) �Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours��

    It is in the Church of God that God calls people which He considers worthy of serving Him. If there are those who do not consider Christ as �the� Wisdom of God, they are the enemies of Christ.

    ( 1 Corinthians 1:23-24) �But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.�

    Christ is not the Wisdom of God to those who were not called into the Church of God, but a �stumbling block� and foolishness. Certainly, He is the same Wisdom being mentioned in Proverbs 8:22

    ( Proverbs 8:22) �The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.�

    The word �possessed� being used by the Wisdom (referring to Christ) is very much apparent in the declaration of John.

    ( John 1:18) �No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.�

    The Wisdom was possessed by the Father in the beginning of His ways, before His works of old. The succeeding verses, the 23rd and the 24th, prove that He was begotten before anything was made.

    ( Proverbs 8:23-24) �I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.�

    No other being in the universe was brought forth or begotten of the Father other than the only begotten Son, which was in the beginning, the Wisdom in the bosom of the Father.

    ( Hebrews 1:5) �For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?�

    He is also the Son mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, which was with the Father in the creation of everything.

    ( Proverbs 30:4) �Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son�s name, if thou canst tell?�

    He is the person to whom God was speaking, in the creation of man.

    ( Genesis 1:26) �And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.�

    Others conclude (which were always erroneous) that God was speaking to angels; but this is not so. God was speaking to someone who has the same image as He has, and there is no other person in the universe or beyond it, that has the exact image of God other than the Son.

    ( Hebrews 1:1-3) �God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high��

    Note that by the Son he made the worlds. The Son is the express image of His person. These reasonings of Saint Paul jive with the preaching of John in his gospel.

    ( John 1:1-3) �In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.�

    To sum up, that Jesus Christ really is the Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, let us look at the verses a second time.

    ( Proverbs 8:22-30) �The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him��

    I have highlighted in red words and phrases that speak of the time element proving that the Wisdom, that is the Son, pre-existed before He was born of Mary in the form of a man. There is no other Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Bible, other than the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ; the Lord of Glory, the wisdom that God used in the creation of everything that exists.

    ( Colossians 2:2-3) �That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.�

    All treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ. The Apostle Paul has known this so he wrote �

    ( Colossians 1:15-17) �Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.�

    How can something that does not exist be made an instrument in the creation of everything that exists? That is impossible!

    ( John 1:1-3) �In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.�

    The Son was there in the Creation of everything! Without Him was not anything made that was made!

  • PSims on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    Please see Genesis 3. The Word of God explains itself. No need to bring any humanism into it.
  • Luke on Genesis 1 - 14 years ago
    TO DEREK: WHAT SCIENTIFIC DATA HAS BEEN PROVEN WRONG?????

    1. The Earth is Round:
    2500 years before the earth was proven to be round, the bible revealed the truth in the following passages: JOB 26:10, PROVERBS 8:27, and ISAIAH 40:22

    2. Paths of The Sea: (Insert from www.bible.ca)
    Matthew Maury (1806-1873) is considered the father of oceanography. His daughter was reading a portion of the Bible to him. While listening, he noticed the expression "paths of the sea" in Psalms 8:8. Upon his recovery, Maury took God at his word and went looking for these paths. We are indebted to his discovery of the warm and cold continental currents. His book on oceanography is still considered a basic text on the subject and is still used in universities. Maury used the Bible as a guide to scientific discovery.

    3. The Hydro-logic Water Cycle (Insert from www.bible.ca)--The water cycle was not fully understood until about 30 B.C. by a Roman engineer named Marcus Vitruvius. Yet every aspect of the water cycle was fully revealed to mankind in 1600 B.C.! The Bible's description is in perfect harmony with modern science. Eccl 1:6-7; 11:3; Job 26:8; Amos 9:6. Vitruvius was 1600 years too late!

    4. 6 Days of Creation: (Insert from www.bible.ca)--If a fair maiden kisses a frog which instantly changes into a handsome prince, we would call it a fairy tale. But if the change takes 40 million years, we call it evolution. We often hear that science has proved evolution. Nothing could be further from the truth. You see, people often confuse scientific fact with scientific theory. Current scientific theory does conflict with creation. But the facts of science do not! There are many scientists who fully accept Biblical creation. Surprised?

    The theory of evolution says that over millions of years simple life forms (one celled creatures) slowly evolved into complex life forms (fish), and that one kind of animal evolved into another kind (ape to man). Genesis, on the other hand, says that all life forms were created in six, 24 hour days. Genesis chapter one states 10 times that life forms can only reproduce after their own kind (ape to ape, man to man). All the observable facts of science strongly support the Bible's claim that it is impossible for one kind to reproduce a different kind. The truth is, there is absolutely no tangible evidence to support evolution from any area of science, just theory and a wild imagination!

    But if the Bible is wrong and man actually did evolve in small graduations over a long period of time, we should find ample fossil evidence of links in intermediate stages of transition. For decades, evolutionists have searched for fossils of these links to prove biblical creation wrong. Although millions of fossils have been unearthed, not even one missing link has ever been found. Has it ever occurred to you that this is the reason why scientists refer to them as missing links?

    Even Charles Darwin realized the difficulty missing links gave his theory. Darwin wrote in his book, Origin Of The Species, "Why, if species have descended from other species by fine graduation, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion, instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?" The reason we have never found any missing links is quite simple. Darwin's theory of evolution is wrong!
    Here in your own words "The books that contain any scientific data have been completely wrong." You might want to take a look at the bible for yourself before you make assumptions! I rest my case. FOR ANY OTHERS WHO HAVE SCIENTIFIC DATA FROM THE BIBLE THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN WRONG PLEASE LET ME KNOW!
  • Gin Sancianco on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    She, it, I
    IS WISDOM PERSONIFIED.
  • Anonymous on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    Hi Moss!!! the "SHE" on verse 8:2 does not represent to the wisdom of God, if you just read it from chapter 7:10-8:3 this "SHE" refers to the harlot woman. And if you read it to 8:22-31 it refers to the Wisdom of God which before his creation He was brought forth and that is His Son... So to "CHOOSEN VESSEL" becarefull on what you are commenting cos you might put or take soul on danger if they believe in your teachings.... to: Moss I invite you to log on our website werein you can wacth and ask any question with regard to bible scripture ((Link)... see you there... God Bless!!!
  • Garyloyd on Genesis 1 - 14 years ago
    Don't let anyone make you believe or think that the WORD of God isn't the TRUTH! God is LORD. In the begining was the Word and the Word was and is God. God didn't leave Himself out when He said, Let us make man in our image and let's not leave off,after our likeness! Remember Proverbs 8:22 to 8:31 when God created the Earth with Wisdom, a beautifull place for us to live. In 8:31 who do you think was Rejoicing. Not Esau I bet. Romans 9:13. As it iis written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Read Malachi 1:3 and you only can hate someone and know someone,how? By living and being around them and that is the same when it comess to love as with Jacob. In the very begining before the attempted overthrow of the devil spoken of in Revelation 12, where the satan steals a third of God`s stars, Gods children and cast them to Earth spoken of in Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13 and listen to Jesus from 13:36 to 43. Think of this! The word, REPLENISH! When you replenish, well, 2nd time here! So, when you read in Job 38:when God is telling Job about creating Earth and then in verse 7 where all the souls that where created were shouteing for joy, Just think of you standing there in your spiritual body, yea, it looks just like you here except its made out of a little different puddy, anyway, you can't tell the difference, when you stand with them and they speak, the messengers, they looked just like us.Oh! Looking at Job 38 I saw in verse 32 the word Mazzaroth, that`s the 12 signs of the Zodiac,just a thought. Oh! Genesis 1:2 that 4th word [ was ] is hayah and translated became without form and void, Father got mad at satan. Jeremiah 4:22 on will let you know what happen to our happy place, our beautiful earth. God filled the earth on the 6th day with a lot of folks of all the beautiful colors and then on the 7th day which you could say,spiritual completeness He created the Folks, Adam and Eve, for the blood line of Christ. Well, I'm emailing this from my phone and I got to go, so, take care and God Bless all of you that Love Our Father and I`ll be back! Gary
  • Chosen Vessel of the Remaining Bride on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    Please read and understand:

    There remains no excuse for those people who do not realize that God�s image is masculine and feminine. All of God�s creation generally declares the masculine and feminine image of Elohiym. It is clear that out of Adam came forth a female Adam who was genetically bone of his bones, flesh of his flesh (see Genesis 2:22-25). The masculine Adam and the feminine Eve reveal the image of the spiritual Father
    (Melchizedek) and Mother (Holy Spirit/El Shaddai/Shekinah). The removal of Adam�s rib to make a woman is a reflection of how Elohiym became masculine and feminine. Out of Adam came forth a female Adam (Eve) who was equal in all things. Adam was only perceptually first amongst his feminine equal, since Eve was always within Adam and is Adam. This same paradigm reflects the presence of Elohiym. Out of subatomic negative darkness of God the Father came the positive light of God the Mother (Holy Spirit), who are the atoms in all things. The Father (subatomic darkness) seemed to be first amongst equals. In the heavenly sense of the earthly parallel, the Holy Spirit, who came forth from the eternal subatomic darkness, always dwelt in the intangible eternal body. Accordingly, the eternal body of darkness became masculine (darkness) and feminine (light), just as Adam became genetically male and female. The feminine Holy Spirit has her reflection in the feminine part of creation. She is our heavenly and earthly Mother, whose greatest image is seen in the form of Eve. Our universal spiritual parents are Elohiym. Elohiym (Gods, plural) said, �Let US (God the spiritual Father and spiritual Mother) make man (Adam and Eve) in OUR image (masculine and feminine), after OUR likeness� (see Genesis 1:26, 27). This reveals how the invisible things of Elohiym are clearly revealed by the things they have recalled. Wisdom is personified as a woman in Proverbs 8:1. Wisdom is none other than the words of the feminine Holy Spirit. The feminine Holy Spirit is the Glory of the masculine part of Elohiym. God has possessed Wisdom (words/thoughts of the feminine Holy Spirit) from the very beginning of Elohiym�s ways (see Proverbs 8:22). Wisdom was set up (came forth) from everlasting (darkness of God). Thereby, Wisdom came out of God (everlasting), as Eve came out (Adam�s rib) of Adam (see Proverbs 8:23).

    The people of today who sin against Wisdom (Holy Spirit) by rejecting present truth have freely chosen to be forever lost (see Proverbs 8:36). When a person rejects present truth (this new doctrine), he or she is rejecting the latter-day words of Wisdom (Holy Spirit) and committing the unpardonable sin (see Matthew 12:31). To swallow an abomination is to believe that Elohiym is not masculine and feminine, as reflected through their greatest earthly image (Adam and Eve). Man and woman are the final reflection of Elohiym. There are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the word (two-sided scroll of life), and the feminine Holy Ghost (Mother), as alluded to in 1 John 5:7. The Father being Melchizedek and the word being the Son and Daughter, then the Holy Ghost/Shekinah is the Mother. There can be no son or daughter without a father and mother. Accordingly, the Holy Spirit is the eternal Father�s feminine equal.

    Revelation 12:1: And there appeared a great wonder in
    HEAVEN; a WOMAN {image of the Holy Spirit} clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a CROWN {Queen of heaven} of twelve stars:
  • Moss on Proverbs 8 - 14 years ago
    If wisdom represents Christ in this passage, why is that in the text of Proverbs 8 Wisdom is depicted as female?


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