patience, you are wrong. it says Jesus was there from the beginning, just like it says in john 1 vs. 1 the word was God. do not let witnesses deceive you with another gospel like the galatians. please read all Gods word rightly dividing THE WORD OF GOD.
The image is the same One in Gen. 14:18 Melchizedek who brought forth bread and wine to Abram, King of Salem or King of Peace. Mwlchizedek means King of the Righteous. Jesus said when you see me you have seen the Father. When God said let us, He didn't leave Himself out He said"Our" image. If Father send us here to live and die in the flesh I think you get the point. If you want to know who he was talking to at that time just go to Proverbs 8:31 when the creation of earth was and Job 38:7 will tell you all the souls of the children were pretty happy at the time of earth and the way the earth way created as it is spoken of in Isaiah 45:18. But then old devil who guarded the Mercy seat,Throne wanted to steal it and in the outline Rev. 12 the dragon had a political system set up and had stolen a third of God`s star/children and God got very mad and we read of that distruction in Jeremiah 4:22-27. We got stupid all of us. Maybe not as stupid as some where we learn the Parable of the tares in Matt. 13:36 thru 44 or sowhere satan sows his wicked seed the tares but maybe we didn't realize how good we had it and God turned off the lights and took us all back up. Father loves earth to, He married the land of Jerusalem and where ever God is Heaven is and He can be anywhere He wants. Then He seperated the good from the bad and we are being replenished. In the flesh. 2 Peter 3 can help in understanding the world that was submerged in water and this one reserved until the judgment of fire. Love God and wait for the true Christ and don't chase after the fake one that comes de-facto for at least 2 and half months sitting where he ought not. The Fire will burn evil but to them that love God and wait, a warm love. Now the D.N.A. of Adam was taken to make the woman Eve and she had two fraternal twins Cain and Able. You won't find Cains geneology in Adams because Cain belonged to the devil. But. We know that at least two of every flesh got on the boat for the 2nd flood of 5 months on the water because it was told to us and we see the kenites show up in 1 chron. 2:55. The LORD foretold us all things even when He cut the time down to 5 months from 7 years in Rev. 9 for the elect sake and that it would be at the end just like it was in Noahs time.
I CANNOT PUT LIMITATIONS on JESUS.HE IS SPIRIT,not limited by time or space.SINCE HE is "ONE"and unlimited by time and space ,is it possible JESUS could be laying HIS LIFE DOWN FOR ME ,walking on the water,healing blind BARTIMAEUS,and saying,"LET THERE BE LIGHT",all at the same moment?(food for thought)
In the first verse is the beginning of substence,matter of all that is here. When you read of creation in Job 38 and on and in Proverbs 8:22 and on you see this sentence or verse come a live. You also notice in Job 38:7 the creation of all souls and also in Proverbs 8:31 the children of God are the stars or sons of God and we had a home. Heaven is where ever God is and He married Jerusalem and that place is His place He loves to call home. Then the cherub that guarded Gods mercy seat wanted to steal it and lucifer wanted to be the boss. He got a power system together and got a third of Gods children to follow him and these things are spoken of in Rev. 12 and Parable of the sower in Matthew 13:37 to 45 will help. Also if you google search Companion Bible Appendixs and read appendix 146 the foundation of the world it will help. Anyway we were all here and living on earth happy and then when the devil had the attempted overthrow there was a katabole castdown/overthrow and God shut the lights off spoken of in Jeremiah 4:22 to 29 all cities broken down and all men gone from earth. Not Noahs flood, no boat and no bird or family in the first flood. Water covered the earth in this first flood and the water didn't receed God said water gone. Then Father serperated the light from the darkness and I believe this is the good from the evil and sent His two thirds of children back and the wicked one sows his seed to earth. This time that you read is the 2nd earth age being re-started with erased minds and replenished in the flesh to see who you want to love,Our Father or a person can love the devil. We all have a choice.
OVER the years of hardship and lifelessness,i sincerely encourage those that have breath to hate evil as JESUS does .evil separates us from our closeness with JESUS...SAY no to drugs and promiscuity...(sleeping around)...death awaits!JESUS LOVES YOU ....
PROVERBS 8 shows us that God's wisdom is the main thing anyone will get once we are in tune w/ his will and heart..
not knowledge nor salvation...
having wisdom coming from God himself is greater than anything else since it was there before the universe was created...
this passage dont talk about God's sovereignity or Jesus being God...it talks about wisdom and how are we to view it...
that;s why it said at the begginning of the passage
"Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?"
Levi wisdom was Proverbs 8:22 to 31 and in 31 you will see that you are there along with all of us. Moses was most likely the scribe. Creation was spoken of in Isaiah 45:18. Along time before this renewal took place of planet earth. The first earth age was destroyed,made to a wilderness in Jeremiah 4:22 to 27 and after that katabole (cast down overthrow) you see there God telling us "not to a full end" no not Noahs flood there is no boat or people left in the first flood. 2 Peter 3 speaks of this and were not to be ignorant of it. The 4th word in the 2nd verse is hayah and it means and translates "became" not "was". God got mad and sunk the earth in water and washed it like a bowl 14000 years ago because of an attempted overthrow by satan. Things froze up pretty cold and then God turned the light back on. All that I said I can prove in the scripture but I my self have an opinion about something that I can't prove to be scripture and that is verse 4 where I believe God seperated the children of light from the children of the darkness. If you read the Parable of the Sower Matt. 13:37 to 43 you see the seperation of children and who sows them. We know 2 of every flesh got on the 2nd flood boat with Noah and his family so that means 2 kenites (sons of Cain) and they show up in 1st Chron. 2:55. Oh! Eve didn't eat an apple in the fig grove with Satan the serpent who was the tree of good who turned evil. Nope! Cain came from his daddy the tree of good and evil and that's the contravesy spoken of between the seeds. (Sperm) generations not yet born. Anyway, we were all replenished in the flesh this second earth age and this first chapter is speaking of getting things back in order to live in the flesh.
Levi`s. Proverbs 8:22 to 31. Wisdom was there. 31. Children were there. Gospel of John the word was there and the word was God. Fathers image is the One who sits on the Throne.
In verse one."rise up against me". Last letters come first. This statement means individuals go against God in confusion from the deception. Or you could say converted chaldeans.(2) speaks of the elect.(3) brigandine is armor. Elect and truth run it off the earth.(4) is when they realize the truth.on to (6) come out of Babylon or meaning confusion.(7) Revelation 17:4 ,5 to understand the one world religion so pretty all are drunk in deception loving their new god.(8) can't be healed.(9) Zechariah 5, the dirty bird stork, the woman and she sitteth in the midst of the ephah and that ephah means religion. (10) Gods work. (11) seeing shields I think of Syrus chosen from before his birth. Also it shall come to pass.(12) truth prevails.(13) the hidden truth and that white wash washed away and we will see the truth.no more deception.(14) caterpillers/locust. And then the honest people will swarm them like they did us.(15) Isaiah 45:18,19 and Proverbs 8:22 to 31. Father with His wisdom created a beautiful earth and is in controll.(17) is man is stupit make false religions and playing church. They didn't read the word and learned one verse a week and chase after an antichrist and were decieved.(18) only the good are left.
God knew us all when we shouted for joy when He created the earth in Isaiah 45:18, Proverbs 8:31,Job38:7 - 2nd Peter 3 and many translated "Foundations" of the meaning is katabole in the New Testament which was an attempted overthrow by Lucifer and instead of God destroying a third of His children that follow satan the dragon Our God decided to destroy that earth age and sunk the earth in water and we were replenish in the flesh. We were all pretty stupit and even thoe we had lived millions of years we didn't know what Family really was or meant.
Jeremiah launched forth and as we see to all the Nations, in other words a Prophet to the world until the fig tree generation,the last one, jeremiah must of been a pretty good person in the first earth age because God ordained him when he was in his mothers womb. In this writting that lasted 40 years he is 21 years old at the start and this Book is written to the House of Judah. We see God speaks of the 10 tribes that had been taken captive 200 years before and at this time they had already scattered over the mountains. In this writting God is talking History at the time and when speaking of the House of Isreal He is speaking future. So what I see is when I was reading chapter 8 and its speaking of antichrist coming from the north that the preachers that were supposed to warn us were playing church and the people coming out are saying, my temple,my temple, my temple says this and my church says that and the people never read the Word of God to know what He says so they can receive blessing. I notice that God sees these as houses or churches that don't teach the full word of God so that the people know the full truth of the Book that these one verse charlie churches are dung. I`ll have to read on but I think verse 7:23 is something we should think hard on. Study the word and don't trust any man in a building with your life.
I am in awe with God and his wisdom. Not only did he creat the heavens and the earth through wisdom, she rejoices in the inhabital earth and her delights are with the "sons" of man. Men, wake up, be wise and strong, we ladies are counting on you. :)
What i get out of it is the more you seek the wisdom of God, the more knowledge he allow's you to recieve.And this fact is for anyone who think's that the world is billion's of year's old,it's not!If you read the word of God(Bible)He (GOD) say's that the world is about six thousand year's old.Were coming upon the seventh,according to the word of God.Another thing is,Jesus is God( Isaiah 9:6), Deuteronomy 6:4, John 10:30, 1 Timothy 3:16, Ephesians 4:4-6,ect. it states in the Bible about 2,800 times that there is only ONE God!Jesus is the saviour and there is only one( Isaiah 43:11),and again in Luke 1:47...God my saviour..It seem's pretty straight forward to me,"My sheep hear my voice",are you hearing the word of God? Don't let man's interpetation miss lead you"sheep in wolves clothing",this once saved, alway's saved stuff.Even Paul said"I die daily",so what do you think he's talking about?Do youself a favor,and repent,be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sin's( Acts 2:38,39)that's the"KEYS" to heaven,Jesus gave them to Peter and taght him how to start the"church".Any other way is a thief and a robber,only the straight and the narrow way lead's to salvation.All the baptizum's in the Bible( Acts 8,10,12,18,22...)are in the NAME of The Lord Jesus Christ,not in the title's father,son,and the Holy Ghost.Stop and pray...in the name of Jesus to lead you down the right path!Has anyone ever prayed father,son,and Holy Spirit for a healing and recieved one?There is NO power in the title's!All you do,in word and or deed, do in the NAME of Jesus Christ,that's what God's word instruct's us to do!Do you speak in toung's?Jesus' mother did,and so did the first 120 that gladly recieved the Holy Spirit,in the upper room where Jesus told them to wait for the promise of the Father,Who showed up?Jesus did!!!Not the first part of a three-som,or the second,or the third,it was ALL JESUS and even Thomas said after he doughted,"My Lord and My God!There wasn't 2 Spirit's standing there!Just Jesus,and if you don't believe this salvation message, then you will die in your sin's,according to the "WORD of GOD",you have 2 ear's to hear with,listen...God is calling you.............................
Joe`s. Then what do you do about the rest of the scriptures as @ Peter 3:5 to 7 where its speaks of the world that was and the world of old and when looking up words you find out there are going to be three earth age`s and this one is in the middle. Also then we would have to change Jeremiah 4:23 to 26 or take it out where we all got stupit and all the cities gone and man was taken off the earth and animals/birds gone. Then we best go to Isaiah 45:18 and change how GOD created a beautiful earth in the beginning. Oh! We need to change that fourth word was "hayah" because if you look up code #1961 for was it turns out the earth became without form and void. Proverbs 8:22 to the end would have to be changed where God tells us He had wisdom and created a wonderfull place for His children to live and Him and his wisdom and all the children were shouting for joy because of it was beautiful. We need to go back to Job and make changes with 38:7 where it says the complete family was there and it was beautiful. We would have to go to the New Testamant and change the word "foundation" all when speaking of the creation and what took place in the mysteries of God when you look up the word it is katabole and means cast down overthrow and fits all together with Ezekiel 28 where pride got to satan and he tried to steal Gods throne. Plus we would need to go to Revelation and take out verse 4 where satan as the dragon took a third of God`s children. Oh, yeah! Need to take out Matt 13 where it explains in verse 36 to 44 that satan stold children and cast them to the earth and they are tares. I think we should just keep the scriptures God gave us they all work together just right and that onee word replenish, well, it means just what it means that this is our second time on this planet earth. I say that because God said Jacob I loved and Esau I hated and to say something like that God had to live and knew Esau. Just as when you read Jeremiah and ordained Jeremiah in the first earth age and tells us that He,God knew jeremiah before he put him in his Mothers womb. Let's just study hard and learn the word and not keep one word plenish and toss all the rest of the scriptures out.
I believe this was millions of years ago and God created a beautiful earth as He said in Isaiah 45:18. At that time we were with Him as its spoken of in Proverbs 8:31 and again the whole family was mentioned in Job 38:7.
What I receive from this. Billions of years ago God created a home for us. Wisdom was flowing from Father in joyful happiness and we sons of man and wo-man were very happy. For the earth is so beautiful a place to live. God is powerful created matter and atoms. If you read Job 38:7 that same subject has all the family stars and sons of men..we are His stars and sons & wo-men.
THE BEGINNING CAME OUT OF ETERNITY: EXAMPLE ETERNITY-(INFINITE DURATION) ITS LIKE A COMPLETE
CIRCLE-[O] (IT NEVER ENDS. BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS WERE BROUGHT FORTH, OR EVER THOU HADST FORMED THE EARTH AND THE WORLD, EVEN FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING, THOU ART GOD- PSALM 90:1.
GOD IS ABSOLUTE. HE IS ETERNAL OR SOVERIGN. HE IS THE BEGINNING AND END.WISDOM BEING STYLED AS A FEMALE- PROVERBS 8:1-4. SAYS THE LORD POSSESSED WISDOM IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, BEFORE HIS
WORKS OF OLD (ANCIENT)WISDOM SAYS SHE WAS SET UP FROM EVERLASTING, FROM THE BEGINNING, OR EVER THE EARTH WAS. WISDOM SAYS "WHEN THERE WERE NO DEPTH, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH; WHEN THERE WERE NO FOUNDATIONS ABOUNDING WITH WATER. BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS WERE SETTLED, BEFORE THE HILLS WAS SHE BROUGHT FORTH:WHILE AS YET HE HAD MADE THE EARTH, NOR THE FIELDS, NOR THE HIGHEST PART OF THE DUST OF THE WORLD" .WISDOM SAYS, "WHEN HE PREPARED THE HEAVENS, SHE WAS THERE- IN OTHER WORDS SHE WAS THERE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.GOD HAD THE PLAN OF SALVATION FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD- IT JUST DID'NT BEGIN IN THE BEGINNING. CHRIST IS AND WAS IN GOD...AND SO WERE AND ARE WE. MS. THOMAS
Begotten when applied to Jesus Means that he was the only one of God's creations the God Directly created The Firstborn of creations( Colossians 1:15,16)All other creation creations Jesus made. Jesus being the Master worker ( Proverbs 8:30)
Hey, Are we not in awe of the wisdom of our God? Truly what an awesome God I served. There is none like you. For through your wisdom you have created the heavens and the earth. Amen!
This Shows how happy Jesus was with his Father "Jehovah" He was his Master worker Please look at Col.1:15-20 And I love the way Proverbs shows that he was rejocing before him all the time!! Know some people think Proverbs 8:22-30 is speaking of Solomon? No this Jesus! =)
I think Chosen Vessel is a very confused individual and really needs to rethink their "New Age" look at who God really is and isn't...
I feel bad for them
At the concern over gender issues of wisdom crying and putting forth "HER" voice is a pronoun of relativity. As the church is relative to Jesus -" The Bride of Christ " but to the world the church is very masculine See Eph. 6:10 tru 17. You don't get any more masculine than putting on the whole armour of God and wrestling against powers and rulers of darkness. No sane intelligent person would ascribe that to be feminine.
But to consider Chosen Vessels comment posted 8/04/2010; I am constrained to say iv'e never heard such gobbledy gook! Jesus refered to the Holy Ghost as He over and over again in John chs. 14 tru 16. I believe it would be wisdom to agree with Jesus on this one and pray that Chosen would be delivered from confusion. To ascribe God the Father as( sub atomic darkness ), is not only unscriptural, but ignorance at best and perverting the Word of truth at worst. James 1:17 states He is the Father of Lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. There is not even a shadow much less darkness with Father God. And John states in 1 John 1:5 that God is light, and in him is NO DARKNESS!! sub-atomic or otherwise. Prov. ch 8 & vs.7 wisdom cries out "For my mouth shall speak truth" Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth, and the life." John 14:6 And no man cometh unto the Father but by me. We are not coming to (sub-atomic darkness) we are coming out of darkness into His wonderful light.A notable sign of wisdom is vs.7 "SPEAK TRUTH".
The Bible was not written in English, hullo!!
The feminine or masculine forms in many languages has 'nothing' to do with "male" and "female" as such. In French, 'car' is feminine and in English a ship is feminine. "She" sunk(The Titanic) on her 'maiden' voyage. I like to use 'virgin' olive oil in my food. I am looking for the 'male' plug for my electronic gadget. Language is purely conventional. Calling God "He" does not make Him "male" nor does the use of feminine pronouns for Wisdom imply the source of wisdom is the great SHE! It is just the necessity of using pronouns that one has to choose 'he', 'she' or 'it' for English. Pronouns serve as placeholders for nouns and proper nouns. No gender is necessarily implied with the exception of people and animals where gender is obviously implied.
The literal meaning or translation would be to remove the pronoun and put the noun. Illiterate feminism is responsible for this mindless debate. This is a non-issue. In any case, there are languages where there are no gender pronouns. There is a pronoun for people and another for things(non-persons). For such languages, it is hard to have this sort of discussion.
So, please people, give us a break, will you!
not knowledge nor salvation...
having wisdom coming from God himself is greater than anything else since it was there before the universe was created...
this passage dont talk about God's sovereignity or Jesus being God...it talks about wisdom and how are we to view it...
that;s why it said at the begginning of the passage
"Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?"
Jeremiah launched forth and as we see to all the Nations, in other words a Prophet to the world until the fig tree generation,the last one, jeremiah must of been a pretty good person in the first earth age because God ordained him when he was in his mothers womb. In this writting that lasted 40 years he is 21 years old at the start and this Book is written to the House of Judah. We see God speaks of the 10 tribes that had been taken captive 200 years before and at this time they had already scattered over the mountains. In this writting God is talking History at the time and when speaking of the House of Isreal He is speaking future. So what I see is when I was reading chapter 8 and its speaking of antichrist coming from the north that the preachers that were supposed to warn us were playing church and the people coming out are saying, my temple,my temple, my temple says this and my church says that and the people never read the Word of God to know what He says so they can receive blessing. I notice that God sees these as houses or churches that don't teach the full word of God so that the people know the full truth of the Book that these one verse charlie churches are dung. I`ll have to read on but I think verse 7:23 is something we should think hard on. Study the word and don't trust any man in a building with your life.
CIRCLE-[O] (IT NEVER ENDS. BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS WERE BROUGHT FORTH, OR EVER THOU HADST FORMED THE EARTH AND THE WORLD, EVEN FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING, THOU ART GOD- PSALM 90:1.
GOD IS ABSOLUTE. HE IS ETERNAL OR SOVERIGN. HE IS THE BEGINNING AND END.WISDOM BEING STYLED AS A FEMALE- PROVERBS 8:1-4. SAYS THE LORD POSSESSED WISDOM IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, BEFORE HIS
WORKS OF OLD (ANCIENT)WISDOM SAYS SHE WAS SET UP FROM EVERLASTING, FROM THE BEGINNING, OR EVER THE EARTH WAS. WISDOM SAYS "WHEN THERE WERE NO DEPTH, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH; WHEN THERE WERE NO FOUNDATIONS ABOUNDING WITH WATER. BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS WERE SETTLED, BEFORE THE HILLS WAS SHE BROUGHT FORTH:WHILE AS YET HE HAD MADE THE EARTH, NOR THE FIELDS, NOR THE HIGHEST PART OF THE DUST OF THE WORLD" .WISDOM SAYS, "WHEN HE PREPARED THE HEAVENS, SHE WAS THERE- IN OTHER WORDS SHE WAS THERE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.GOD HAD THE PLAN OF SALVATION FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD- IT JUST DID'NT BEGIN IN THE BEGINNING. CHRIST IS AND WAS IN GOD...AND SO WERE AND ARE WE. MS. THOMAS
I feel bad for them
But to consider Chosen Vessels comment posted 8/04/2010; I am constrained to say iv'e never heard such gobbledy gook! Jesus refered to the Holy Ghost as He over and over again in John chs. 14 tru 16. I believe it would be wisdom to agree with Jesus on this one and pray that Chosen would be delivered from confusion. To ascribe God the Father as( sub atomic darkness ), is not only unscriptural, but ignorance at best and perverting the Word of truth at worst. James 1:17 states He is the Father of Lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. There is not even a shadow much less darkness with Father God. And John states in 1 John 1:5 that God is light, and in him is NO DARKNESS!! sub-atomic or otherwise. Prov. ch 8 & vs.7 wisdom cries out "For my mouth shall speak truth" Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth, and the life." John 14:6 And no man cometh unto the Father but by me. We are not coming to (sub-atomic darkness) we are coming out of darkness into His wonderful light.A notable sign of wisdom is vs.7 "SPEAK TRUTH".
The feminine or masculine forms in many languages has 'nothing' to do with "male" and "female" as such. In French, 'car' is feminine and in English a ship is feminine. "She" sunk(The Titanic) on her 'maiden' voyage. I like to use 'virgin' olive oil in my food. I am looking for the 'male' plug for my electronic gadget. Language is purely conventional. Calling God "He" does not make Him "male" nor does the use of feminine pronouns for Wisdom imply the source of wisdom is the great SHE! It is just the necessity of using pronouns that one has to choose 'he', 'she' or 'it' for English. Pronouns serve as placeholders for nouns and proper nouns. No gender is necessarily implied with the exception of people and animals where gender is obviously implied.
The literal meaning or translation would be to remove the pronoun and put the noun. Illiterate feminism is responsible for this mindless debate. This is a non-issue. In any case, there are languages where there are no gender pronouns. There is a pronoun for people and another for things(non-persons). For such languages, it is hard to have this sort of discussion.
So, please people, give us a break, will you!