Apparently from commentary preparing the outside property and analyzing sufficient resources are available before building a house. This reminds us of Christ admonishing us that people will mock if we build a tower and don't have enough money to complete the work. ( Luke 14:28-30). Clearly; financial planning needs to be sufficient along with resources when undertaking any task; and this takes wisdom.
It is out of his reach, he cannot attain it; natural wisdom, or the knowledge of many things in nature; at least it seems so to himself, and therefore will not take any pains, or make use of any means, to obtain it; as the knowledge of human laws; of medicine, of philosophy, of languages, or of any of the liberal arts and sciences; or he has not really a capacity for it. This is more especially true of spiritual wisdom, or of the knowledge of divine things in a spiritual way; or of the things Of the Spirit of God, which a natural man cannot know, because they are spiritually discerned; it is God only makes men to know this kind of wisdom in the hidden part, ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 ) ( Psalms 51:6 ) ; for as a "fool" here denotes a wicked man, let his natural parts be what they will; so wisdom spiritual knowledge, and experience of divine things, which is too high for an unregenerate man to reach;
see a like phrase in ( Psalms 139:6 ) he openeth not his mouth in the gate;
he is not qualified far it; and if he has any knowledge of himself, he will not venture to speak in a public assembly, in the house of parliament, in a court of judicature, or in the company of men of knowledge and sense; and indeed it is his highest wisdom to keep silence, and not betray his ignorance: and so with regard to spiritual things; a man that wisdom is too high for, and he has no share of it, shall not or ought not to open his mouth where Wisdom cries; even in the gates of the cities, or in the public assemblies of the saints, ( Proverbs 1:21 )
Depends how you interpret it, Sounds to me as if you already plan your life before birth then you live to fulfill your lifes path, then if you dont fulfill your path you return again to do it all over.
Hello, welcome to the Discussion & Questions section of this website.
Many of us here volunteer here because we love GOD & love HIS people, whom HE created.
Like Adam said be careful about listening to opinion. This is such a difficult topic, emotionally, spiritually, morally etc. This issue effects society, families, individuals.
1st let's address the effects = Loss to their family, loved ones, friends, community & even the World. Loss of what that person would have accomplished, & what that would have attributed to each mentioned. 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 139,
2nd, What that leaves behind = confusion, sadness, undue feelings of guilt, grief, helpless feelings to those dear & close to the person & then effecting all around them, even extended to people that looked at that person as an example, children nearby, jobs, everyone & everything left, all effected 2Corinthians 3:2, 1Timothy 4:12,
3rd root causes = pain, abuse, sometimes just selfishness, etc. But we are not without hope, Romans 8, (whole chapter)
Listen ladies, my pastor posted a verse from Proverbs 24:11-12. If you forbear to deliver those that are drown to death... And those that are ready to be slain... If you say: Behold... we knew it not. Does not He that ponders the heart consider this? And He that keeps your soul. .. Does He not know this? And shall He not render to everyone according to their works? But, I have to admit or confess, Im not qualified for this conversation. Tell me, where do I signup for the redbill? And do you mind if I bring this conversation to my church? Please, pray that I dont get sidetracked with this message and forget this mission. Currently, Im not involved, and I dont know the news. Please, continue to keep me abreast of the news and be encouraged. Sincerely, Joyce P Gipson
Hello Dr. Tobin. As with any Church administrative or disciplinary matter, the aggrieved would need to present the problem to the Elders of the Fellowship. Pastors & Elders need to be aware of problems within their congregations & after investigation, deal with it. The account you share, sounds like this Pastor's behaviour is not hidden & probably affects a number of people, including SS teachers. In some Fellowships, a Pastor may refuse to appoint elders, so that he might have full control over all her affairs - so what you share reflects a classic case of this type of Church structure.
Whether the Pastor and/or Elders take the matter to heart & before the Lord, the outcome must be for the health & blessing of the Church. If nothing is done or no changes take place, the only other option is to leave. I would think that there would be an exodus by others as well over a period of time & the Fellowship would suffer both in numbers & spiritual growth. Prayer for the Pastor & the situation would of course be important, but from what you've shared, I would think that many have been praying over this for some time, without any changes observed. No believer who is convicted in spirit of Church malpractice, should feel compelled to remain & suffer in silence, no matter how hopeful they are about any future spiritual revival.
How does a Sunday School teacher handle a Pastor who is a narcissist, and practices spiritual and verbal abuse; often slandering other Pastors such as Dr. John MacArthur and Dr. Jeremiah? Please HELP!!!
I have taken that to be wisdom especially when we think to highly of someone & they fall into sin. Putting too much trust in man, woman, their position or title, for example. This was advice maybe through experience.
Proverbs 6:30, Proverbs 6:23-26,
Hopefully these scriptures are also helpful in reference
It would not be very loving to stand back and allow some evil brute to savage your precious ones:
If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain;
If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works? ( Proverbs 24:11-12)
The Holy Scriptures when rightly divided always answers for itself. Therefore being in agreement with responses viewed in regards to Proverbs 24:4-5. The simplicity of scripture reveals in the next book Ecclesiastes 3:7 ", a time to be silent and a time to speak". In one biblical example: Jesus "my Lord and Savior" said nothing to defend the woman who was taken in adultery, "the very act", per her accusers. However, Jesus knew their foolishness was not concerned about the adulterous act. They attempted to invoke the old testament passage, Deut 17:5 which clearly say, "to bring the man and the woman,,,,". So where was the man? Therefore, Christ silence was knowing when not to answer. However, when they began to press him of what He says should be done, Now, they're bringing into light the thoughts of GOD to which Christ being the Word broke his silence to address their foolishness so they could go no further in this by simply saying, "He among you who is without sin, let him first cast a stone at her". The rest of the story is known. It is proper to allow scripture to interpret scripture in that way it's The LORD answering for what we believe to His Word. GOD Bless!
Wisdom is a concernment for understanding what is going on within a physical entity or within your very own structure of self. As the previous line talked of evil men because their heart is full of destruction. Do not eve be around them. By having the understanding of whom you are as a person you have established that foundation. Even if it was a physical entity you have the understanding of how the foundation is built. If a marriage you know the foundation already because you have established it by being wise and shunning evil. So a house could be many things but the key to it all is that you have shunned evil to build the house and based on that you have the foundation on which it is built on.
It seems like the ones who are wicked are having all the fun. Like the world is always accepting to those who belong to it. However we should not feel left out, but should leave out from amongst them and not desire to be around ungodly men; knowing that their ways will not be blessed in the end.
I love the book of proverbs! So much wisdom here. Meddle with them who are given to change, sounds a lot like don't bother with those who are unstable or wishy-washy in their walk with God or in their treatment toward you.
That's a saying not a scripture. Check these out :D
Psalms 107:20 - He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered [them] from their destructions.
Daniel 6:27 - He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.
John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Psalms 149:4 - For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
1 Corinthians 10:13 - There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].
Isaiah 12:2 - Behold, God [is] my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH [is] my strength and [my] song; he also is become my salvation.
Nahum 1:7 - The LORD [is] good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
Psalms 31:14-15 - But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said, Thou [art] my God. (Read More...)
It's not in the Bible. It's only a myth to justify people relying on themselves rather than God. Biblically, God helps those who depend on Him and know that without Him, they are completely helpless.
Hi there, I've never heard of such a passage in the Bible. Sometimes people mistranslate and misunderstand verses like the telephone game and end up with an entirely different phrase/meaning they repeat and assume it's from the Bible. I know of other phrases like this that a % believe, but isn't from the Bible. That's why it's best to take anything a man says with a grain of salt and just read God's Word directly. God bless.
Proverbs 24:27;says you prepare your field and make it for yourself then afterwards build your house,many people don't do that first they start building their house without proper and sufficient tools;here I mean marriage life in general,before you get into it first of all make your field ready unless it is then bring your wife and later children as much as you can lead properly with enough and adequate food,education,care,health wise and good spiritual upbringing that they will benefit from and help themselves this definitely refers to man as the head of the household;if the man fails here there is trouble because you find that without proper foundations we get poor children spiritually;wisdom wise and education wise;let all strive to make it good for the field before building your house and God Jehovah will help us if ask from Him,we seek from Him and knock the door God is ready to help us out if only we believe in him only without wavering faith He can yes He can,praise the lord Jesus Christ our/my saviour.
U know what i realized? is that Ezekiel 3:1 -3 said" 1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll[What speaketh the Lord], and go speak unto the house of Israel.
2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness."
Your name is Amos? I just looked in the book of Amos and was amazed. I thought that is what you read. You're very mature for your age. I think God has his hand on your life too. I'm praying you will pursue God with all your strength.
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References to like scriptures>
Psalm 19:10
They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold; they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the comb.
Proverbs 4:22
For they are life to those who find them, and health to the whole body.
Proverbs 15:26
The LORD detests the thoughts of the wicked, but the words of the pure are pleasant to Him.
Proverbs 17:22
A joyful heart is good medicine, but a broken spirit dries up the bones.
Proverbs 24:13
Eat honey, my son, for it is good, and the honeycomb is sweet to your taste.
Proverbs 24:14
Know that wisdom is sweet for your soul. If you find it, there is a future for you, and your hope will never be cut off.
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If your Bible has "center of each page, columns" ; those are references to other scriptures that give more information. See the tiny alphabet letters? Look in the column for that letter and look that one up too and read it.
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There's a commentary box. Below the 2 search boxes. Put your scripture in one of the search boxes. Touch it and it will turn yellow. Scroll down below that to the commentary box. Click on that.
If it has commentary you can read that too.
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When you study, always ask The Holy Spirit to teach you what you are reading. His voice always makes your spirit happy.
Voices that frighten your spirit-do not listen to that. I'll tell you why later.
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Come back anytime and look for Mishael comments. That's me. I'll help all I can.
Wisdom [is] too high for a fool
It is out of his reach, he cannot attain it; natural wisdom, or the knowledge of many things in nature; at least it seems so to himself, and therefore will not take any pains, or make use of any means, to obtain it; as the knowledge of human laws; of medicine, of philosophy, of languages, or of any of the liberal arts and sciences; or he has not really a capacity for it. This is more especially true of spiritual wisdom, or of the knowledge of divine things in a spiritual way; or of the things Of the Spirit of God, which a natural man cannot know, because they are spiritually discerned; it is God only makes men to know this kind of wisdom in the hidden part, ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 ) ( Psalms 51:6 ) ; for as a "fool" here denotes a wicked man, let his natural parts be what they will; so wisdom spiritual knowledge, and experience of divine things, which is too high for an unregenerate man to reach;
see a like phrase in ( Psalms 139:6 ) he openeth not his mouth in the gate;
he is not qualified far it; and if he has any knowledge of himself, he will not venture to speak in a public assembly, in the house of parliament, in a court of judicature, or in the company of men of knowledge and sense; and indeed it is his highest wisdom to keep silence, and not betray his ignorance: and so with regard to spiritual things; a man that wisdom is too high for, and he has no share of it, shall not or ought not to open his mouth where Wisdom cries; even in the gates of the cities, or in the public assemblies of the saints, ( Proverbs 1:21 )
Hopefully these are helpful
Hello, welcome to the Discussion & Questions section of this website.
Many of us here volunteer here because we love GOD & love HIS people, whom HE created.
Like Adam said be careful about listening to opinion. This is such a difficult topic, emotionally, spiritually, morally etc. This issue effects society, families, individuals.
1st let's address the effects = Loss to their family, loved ones, friends, community & even the World. Loss of what that person would have accomplished, & what that would have attributed to each mentioned. 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 139,
2nd, What that leaves behind = confusion, sadness, undue feelings of guilt, grief, helpless feelings to those dear & close to the person & then effecting all around them, even extended to people that looked at that person as an example, children nearby, jobs, everyone & everything left, all effected 2Corinthians 3:2, 1Timothy 4:12,
3rd root causes = pain, abuse, sometimes just selfishness, etc. But we are not without hope, Romans 8, (whole chapter)
Hope = Hebrews 4:8-16, Romans 5:1-21, Romans 15:4,13, Galatians 5:5, Colossians 1:23,
Strength to endure = James 5:10, Romans 12:12,
Comfort = 2Corinthians 1:2-4,
Purpose = Ephesians 1:17-19,
People that went through feelings of that but made it through = 2Corinthians 1, Job 7:15, Jonah 4:9, Matthew 26:38,
Direction = Proverbs 2, Proverbs 8, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 24:10-12, Hebrews 4:15-16,
Disobedience to GOD = Psalms 68:20, Ezekiel 18:32, Ezekiel 33:11, Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17,
Hopefully these are helpful
Whether the Pastor and/or Elders take the matter to heart & before the Lord, the outcome must be for the health & blessing of the Church. If nothing is done or no changes take place, the only other option is to leave. I would think that there would be an exodus by others as well over a period of time & the Fellowship would suffer both in numbers & spiritual growth. Prayer for the Pastor & the situation would of course be important, but from what you've shared, I would think that many have been praying over this for some time, without any changes observed. No believer who is convicted in spirit of Church malpractice, should feel compelled to remain & suffer in silence, no matter how hopeful they are about any future spiritual revival.
However
Ezekiel 33:8, Ezekiel 3:18,19,
Proverbs 6:30, Proverbs 6:23-26,
Hopefully these scriptures are also helpful in reference
Genesis 25:34, Hebrews 12:16, 1Samuel 25:10-38,
It is also commanded
Leviticus 19:15, Proverbs 24:23, James 1:1-10, Colossians 3:25, Ephesians 6:9, Job 32:21, 2 Chronicles 19:7, Deuteronomy 16:19,
Example Luke 20:21, Matthew 22:16, even when trying to trap Jesus they testified that HE wasn't a "respecter of persons"
Jesus was tested by this Luke 4:2-4,
Is it also coincidence that it was a piece of bread that was given before betrayal by Jesus? John 13:18,21-27, John 6:33,
A few more scriptures come to mind for what you described I hope these are helpful. Jude 1:21-25, Jude 1, 1 John 1:10, Psalms 51:10,
If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain;
If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works? ( Proverbs 24:11-12)
This applies to pro-lifers who rebuke abortive women. Pro-lifers will be blessed for rebukeing them.
Bible Commentary for Proverbs 24:19
Wesley's Notes for Proverbs 24:19
24:17 Falleth - Into mischief.
24:18 From him - Understand, upon thee, which is implied in the Hebrew phrase.
24:20 No reward - All his happiness shall quickly and eternally perish. The candle - All their comfort and glory shall cease.
24:21 To change - That are unstable in their obedience to God or to the king.
Psalms 107:20 - He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered [them] from their destructions.
Daniel 6:27 - He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.
John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Psalms 149:4 - For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
1 Corinthians 10:13 - There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].
Isaiah 12:2 - Behold, God [is] my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH [is] my strength and [my] song; he also is become my salvation.
Nahum 1:7 - The LORD [is] good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
Psalms 31:14-15 - But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said, Thou [art] my God. (Read More...)
O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Job 6:30
Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?
Psalms 119:103
How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Proverbs 24:13
My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is sweet to thy taste:
2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness."
And Proverbs 24:13 is like a prophetic word!
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References to like scriptures>
Psalm 19:10
They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold; they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the comb.
Proverbs 4:22
For they are life to those who find them, and health to the whole body.
Proverbs 15:26
The LORD detests the thoughts of the wicked, but the words of the pure are pleasant to Him.
Proverbs 17:22
A joyful heart is good medicine, but a broken spirit dries up the bones.
Proverbs 24:13
Eat honey, my son, for it is good, and the honeycomb is sweet to your taste.
Proverbs 24:14
Know that wisdom is sweet for your soul. If you find it, there is a future for you, and your hope will never be cut off.
******
If your Bible has "center of each page, columns" ; those are references to other scriptures that give more information. See the tiny alphabet letters? Look in the column for that letter and look that one up too and read it.
******
There's a commentary box. Below the 2 search boxes. Put your scripture in one of the search boxes. Touch it and it will turn yellow. Scroll down below that to the commentary box. Click on that.
If it has commentary you can read that too.
*****
When you study, always ask The Holy Spirit to teach you what you are reading. His voice always makes your spirit happy.
Voices that frighten your spirit-do not listen to that. I'll tell you why later.
******
Come back anytime and look for Mishael comments. That's me. I'll help all I can.