Hi Bonnie. Matthew 3:10 & Luke 3:9 give us this message. It was spoken by John the Baptist to those who came to see what he was doing at the Jordan River. And his message was, 'you, who are resting on your Jewish heritage to be guaranteed God's favor, think again - God is able to reject any who don't come to Him in true repentance & with a change of life, & will accept those, even non-Israelites, who do come to Him in His Way' (just a loose translation).
So the 'axe that is laid to the root of the trees': this signifies that this will be God's Judgement of cutting down & discarding even those who have been blessed as are called the children of God, since these very ones are not trusting God for their position & redemption, but trusting in their heritage & not living out lives that are worthy & fruitful. These 'trees' God will cut down with His Axe of Judgement, right at the root so that nothing can grow from it again; and John the Baptist's coming (and as a forerunner to Jesus Christ), was to do exactly that: to separate those in God's flock from those who aren't - as also those abiding in the Vine & those who want to be for their own reason - but these will be soon plucked from the branch for lack of fruit (i.e no evidence of faith & no fruit from being nourished by God through Jesus ( John 15:1-8)).
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that THEY should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
John was preparing the way for Israel.
Israel trusted in the promise to Abraham made them children of Abraham because the Kinsman of the flesh. The repentance John preached was to turn them from that and turn them to Christ. "FROM UNBELIEF TO BELIEF."
Note: Matthew 3:9-11 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Isn't everyone a unbeliever before they are a believer?
Isn't everyone a liar?
Isn't everyone fearful?
The lake of fire is Christ.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
If your in Christ and Christ is in you; then your in the FIRE.
Matthew 3:11 ....and he shall baptise you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.
Malachi 3:2 And who shall abide the day of his coming (Christ in you, Colossians 1:27, baptised into his name)? and who can stand when he (TRUTH and LIFE, John 14:6) appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire and a fullers soap.
Malachi 3:3 And he shall set (in you) as a refiner and purifier of silver: that YOU may offer unto the Lord an offering in RIGHTEOUSNESS.
I can get water baptized until I am water logged and it isn't going to do anything for me spiritually. It's just water on the outside of the body. Water baptism cannot produce the ministry Spirit of God. And if I look through this chapter, it's talking about being delivered from sin, dying to sin, and being born into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. You don't do that through water. It's through the Spirit of God!
Spirit baptism, or the baptism of the Holy Spirit, is the name of the ministry of Jesus Christ. I know the term has been misused today so a lot of people try and stay away from the term "Baptism of the Spirit." But in Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist said "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance."
John's baptism is different than Christian baptism. His was for the Jews that they would repent at the coming of Messiah. He says I baptize you water unto repentance, (not remission of sin), but He that comes after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear, He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire. This is Jesus' ministry, to baptize us with His Spirit. The fire represents judgment. But we become a member of the body of Christ the moment we are saved and that is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In Galatians 3:27, it says "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ." So the baptism is parallel to and synonymous with putting on Christ, salvation, and receiving Christ. I have to understand this from Paul's perspective. Paul is the one that taught about Spiritual baptism being salvation, and the time that you come into the body of Christ. It is the Lord's ministry, and it is sad that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is misunderstood today and mistaught which takes away from the very function for which it is supposed to serve.
To be fair, I am going to look some more at Colossians 2:12. I may still be on the fence with that one. I hope you have a great day!
The truth is out! Do you believe the words of Jesus?
This comes direct from the mouth of Jesus. Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Do you believe the words of Apostle Peter? Peter speaks directly about when we are baptized we receive God's Holy Spirit! Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
So, Jesus tells us we must believe and be baptized to be saved. The Apostle Peter whom Jesus Christ built His Church on told us that when we repent, and get baptized, we receive "the gift of the Holy Ghost". Jesus gets baptized to show us how it is done - with water! Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" What is the spirt of God? It is the Holy Spirit!
As a Christian (A Christ Follower) doesn't it just make sense to follow Jesus words and his actions?
The difference between the water baptism of John and the Water Baptism of Jesus Christ, is that we now receive the promise of the Holy Spirit - per Jesus Christ, and per Peter! From the very beginning of The Church water baptism was the requirement, and is still the requirement today. Jesus and all of the original Apostles (including Paul) didn't change the water baptism requirement.
So, now when we follow the above scripture it all ties together and we comply with the instruction from Jesus speaking to us here; John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
If someone thinks that water baptism is no longer required today, they are ignoring the above scripture and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Yes brother, I did re-read Luke 7:29,30; & apologies for the delayed reply (I didn't receive an email alert). But what I did read in that passage was that the people, including the publicans, believed John's coming & baptizing work from God. However, the Pharisees & Lawyers rejected it, therefore refused to be baptized. So was it God's Counsel (or, Will) that the application of John's baptism to the people be the same as Jesus' baptism?
As stated earlier, I believe that John's baptism of the penitent was very different to Jesus' baptism by John. The first, was for sinners to visibly indicate their spiritual need & in some way acknowledging that John (i.e. his calling & work) was a prelude/an announcer to another One coming Who would come to usher in the Kingdom & perform another type of baptism ( Matthew 3:1-3,11). Even John was perplexed as to why Jesus would come to him to be baptized since, of all people, Jesus definitely did not fit the reason for his baptism.
Since that part is clear to me (i.e. of the different baptisms of the people & Jesus), one could be better served to discuss what Jesus meant when He said, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness (v15)". Yes, baptism was a command, but was it the same command given for the people & Jesus alike, or was Jesus' need to be baptized prompted by a totally different 'command', motive, & resulting fall-out? I realize that the answers we give to this question can only be from our personal understanding/Spirit's leading, since no verse gives specific detail on it.
And to add another thought: what if some people gathered around John refused, or despised, his baptism, but later on came to realize their sinful condition when seeing the Life of Jesus & His Works & hearing His Words - would they be rejected now because they refused John's baptism? I guess, another moot question.
I will start with Paul meeting those disciples in Ephesus. He asked them if they were baptized in the Spirit after they were baptized in water (should they?). They answered that they never heard of the HS. He asks them in what name were they baptized (how come they never heard of the HS since in baptism we are baptised in the name of F and S and the HS, this being another evidence that believers were not baptised just in the name of Jesus). They said they were bapt. John's baptism. And he says Acts 19:4 "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance ..." So John's bapt. was a bapt. of repentance. If you make a search about that you will find out that John's bapt. was done as follows. The person to be bapt. went into the river until his waist was submerged, then he stayed like that and started confessing his sins and when he finished confessing he dived in the water and rised. That was the ritual.
There is a detail in Jesus' bapt. that if one is not aware will not notice.
Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:..." Jesus went up straight away. He had nothing to confess, no sin at all. He went into the river and immediately dived and came up.
That is why John tried to prevent Him from being baptized. John knew that Jesus had no sins, there wasn't a reason for Him to be baptized. It was useless for Him. But what did Jesus said " they had to fulfill all righteousness. But why, He had no sin. No reason to be baptized. Because it was a commandment from God and He had to obey although that didn't have any usefulness for Him. Now if Jesus obeyed, shouldn't we? Notice please that Jesus started His ministry with baptism. All other things followed that. But we have gone through these before. You ask many questions like if smd is in death bed and has no time to be baptized. I don't have the right answer to that but my ignorance doesn't cancel the word of God.
One of the Main Events in the bible. Jesus is baptized and receives the Holy Spirit and it pleases God! If this isn't a learning teachable event for us - nothing is! Jesus provided us with his examples to follow, hence as Christ followers we should be striving to follow Him.
Matthew 3:16
"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"
Jesus shows us how it is done, and if He does it, and instructs everyone to do it, where do we improve our standing with God - if we ignore His command?
Jesus commands the diciples to baptize believers.
Matthew 28:19
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
If the apostles would have ignored Jesus command to baptize would this have been good for them? If all of the apostles, including Paul believed that baptism was required, why should we believe any different than they?
Peter tells us that when we repent, and submit to baptism we receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
So, Jesus/God tells us in so much scripture, that when we believe, repent, and get baptized - we are forgiven of our sins, and we receive the Holy Spirit!
The above scripture is so easy to understand, even a child can understand the need to follow God's instructions regarding this issue.
I think this is an interesting statement Jesus said before he was baptized. Notice he didn't say I by myself will fulfill all righteousness. Matthew 3:15 "And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him". For a true "personal relationship" it takes both parties contributing to the relationship. We need to yield ourselves to the Holy Spirit walking uprightly and not just trust in the righteousness of Christ.
Israel was the only Nation given a God given religion, they were asked to repent. Here you have a great transition, the veil was rent earlier and now we see a transition from law to grace, No more circumcision of the flesh but of the heart. that's why John the baptist said in Matthew 3:8-10 "Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Paul says it in Romans 1:16. "Chronology" it is to the Jew first. This conversation of repentance can only be given to a God given Nation and religion. (JUDAISM.) No longer Identified by circumcision of the flesh but Identified with Christ and THEN carry the message to the ends of the earth.
They were to repent and be baptized believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
When we are saved we are baptized by water to give a witness that we are baptized by the Holyspirit and Identified with Christ. So all throughout Acts these steps were highlighted.
There was an beginning of a new covenant.
John the baptist was preparing the way for the Lord for Israel. He came in screaming prepare the way for the Lord
Announcing a kingdom "Before " the King was rejected, This was the baptism of John.
When Jesus sent the Desciples out to teach all baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holyspirit, That speaks of the working power of his Death and Resurrection to those who believe.
I believe you are responding to my response to Texsis.
Here's what's noted.
Qs...I've heard 2 different things about baptism. What is your opinion? I believe that once Christ resurrected for us and we are spiritually baptized once we except Him in all that apply, there is no need to get water baptism. can yet not necessary. Yet I keep getting flack for it.
The root of this debate is requirement and always have been. On this thread the evidence is in the parties participating, Adam and Bro Dan has always made it clear that it's a requirement. You have been part of that debate in the recent past also. I know you say you don't believe it does but you argue along side them so you should know.
Secondly, salvation is death and a new birth "AND" sanctification. Not just Positionally where we're hidden in Christ. but practically where he lives in us. We've recieved the earnest of the spirit. This takes us to Romans 6:4. "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
Baptism means Identified.
We are Identified with the death meaning the penalty and the power of the old nature is to be recognized as crucified. And we are Identified with Christ resurrection in where we walk in newness of life. That's why the chapter opens up like this- Romans 6:1-4.
So I don't hold the view water baptism symbolizes cleansing of the sins because that notion doesn't complete the Identification. "Baptized into his resurrection.
So I believe When the scripture says believe and be baptized it don't necessarily mean water baptism. It means what takes place once you believe. The baptism John spoke of which is not of man but the Holyspirit. Matthew 3:11.
According to Christ; "His sheep hear His voice." ( John 10:27). 2 Tim. 2:24-26 indicate that repentance indeed is a gift from God.
The basic premise is that we are all "children of wrath" by nature under condemnation apart from Christ. ( Eph. 2:3). If we cannot understand that man's heart is estranged from God; and that at best we try to avoid the consequences of sin rather than have any true remorse for offending a Holy; righteous and just God then we simply are living out a works based theology. Titus 1:15 shows further how our best actions are contaminated and defiled.
Human love only shows true affection for those who love us ( Matthew 5:46-48). To love those who "despitefully use us" ( Matthew 5:44) takes a change of heart; a Divine intervention and infusion of the Holy Spirit again which is given by God ( Ezekiel 36:26).
From OUR perspective we see ourselves drawn to the one from all eternity who created all things. ( Ecclesiastes 3:11). This verse shows again how even THIS is instigated in man's conscience by God. We need to realize that there is a process involved; as the parable of the seed and the sowers indicates. The seed from God (again planted on His initiative) is introduced; and ultimately must progress until "fruit is produced" (see also Matthew 3:8). TRUE repentance will overcome temptations that the Lord uses to prune us; as He "chastises all those He loves" ( Heb. 12:6; etc). God therefore initiates salvation; and the whole sanctification process ultimately leading to glorification ( Romans 8:17).
When we are saved; we have new desires to serve God and rejoice in the thought of service to Him now and in eternity. We begin a process of mortification of the deeds of the flesh ( Romans 8:13). From our perspective; we need to accept the truth about ourselves and our utter hopelessness apart from Christ in our own strength. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom ) Proverbs 9; Psalm 111; etc). Jeremiah 32:40 shows God gives that
"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
Mark 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Matthew 28:19
'"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Acts 2:38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 2:41
"Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
Matthew 3:13-15
"Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
If Jesus had to be baptized John's baptism to "fulfill all righteousness" and John had to step back to allow that, what about us been baptized the christian baptism to fulfill God's righteousness? Baptism is not symbolic, it is essential for fulfilling God's righteousness, essential for our salvation.
The lack of Baptism submersion, doesn't appear to be an unpardonable sin.
Let's address why wouldn't someone want to be Baptized? Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:2-7, Romans 6:3-13,
Is it fear that keeps one from baptism? 1John 4:18, trust? Psalms 56:11, that person may possibly be about to ask another gentle close friend in the Body of Christ to be the person submersing with people of close relation in there nearby or helping, while the Church leader prays or recites scripture. I've seen many believers like youth outreach baptize with Pastor helping. Depending on the fellowship. Matthew 28:18-20,
If the reason is medical, or because of very difficult situation. Luke 23:38-46,
Matthew 10:33, 2Timothy 2:12, Matthew 16:24, Matthew 3:13-17,
Acts 2:38 states to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins; and then you will be filled with the Holy Ghost. On the surface it may seem that not only is baptism required; but also it along with repentance is needed for forgiveness. Clearly; this is not the case as is seen from John the Baptist himself who told the Pharisees to repent BEFORE the baptism was given. At that time the Spirit did not dwell with us permanently after salvation after it did after Pentacost and the upper room experience.
This could be compared in a way to confessing with our mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord to be saved. ( Romans 10:9-10). Believing in the heart is a necessary condition; lest we simply have a mantra that is some intellectual acceptance of Christ as Lord; who He actually is to every person; whether or not they have been given a new heart post conversion or are still unregenerate.
The clear example is the thief at the cross. ( Luke 23:39-43). He didn't have time to be baptized; but clearly Christ was going to be with him in paradise. Therefore; baptism is as an outer confession; it demonstrates our public affirmation of becoming part of the Body and Christ and symbolizes in some ways the death; burial and resurrection in our own lives mirroring that of Christ; our head. It is clearly a command; hence it should be done ASAP after conversion. One could say that if a person does NOT seek to be baptized and goes on a long time without it it is likely there is no evidence that they have truly repented. If we love Him; we obey His commands. ( John 14:15). Obviously we should test ourselves to see if we are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5-6); or as a Pastor see if there are any fruits indicating true repentance ( Matthew 3:8; etal). Matthew 5:19 shows if we break the least of the commandments and teach others to do so we shall be least in the Kingdom of Heaven. That should be a sobering warning of losing rewards for disobedience for elders and laypersons alike
Sons of GOD : Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Revelation 12:10, John 1:12 "But as many as receive him, to them gave he power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on his name:"
Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of GOD, they are the sons of GOD."
Philippians 2:15 "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."
1John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."
Matthew 5:16, Luke 8:19, Matthew 23:9, John 20:17, John 4:23, John 16:28, Matthew 6:7-34 did you notice how many times GOD is referenced as "our, your Father " in that portion of chapter 6? Matthew 7:11,
Do Not take away or add to the word of god. If the bible says ( Baptize ) it means Baptize. BIBLE VERSES ABOUT WATER BAPTISM Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be ( baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 1 Peter 3:21Mark 16:16Acts 22:16 and this scripture explains this very clearly! John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,( Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ) Romans 6:4 - Therefore we are ( buried with him by baptism into death:) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Galatians 3:27Acts 10:48Matthew 28:19Acts 10:48Matthew 3:16Acts 8:36-39 ( And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain ( water:) and the eunuch said, See, here is ( water;) what doth hinder me to be baptized? Gods word says Baptize it means baptize ( there is no scripture that NULLIFYS WATER BAPTISM ) Further more ( Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. God has a plan for salvation and we have no right to change it by our interpretation of the word 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: These are not my word, they are scripture By Which we as CHRISTIANS must live by. I submit this in the love of Jesus and the hope of seeing his will, that NO MAN SHOULD PARRISH !
The Prophet Isaiah foretold John the Baptist - In Reply - 2 years ago
Isaiah 40:3 (The Prophet)
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Matthew 3:3
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John 1:23
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Hell: the Hebrew word sheol, a place of no perception were the dead go, the grave.
Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in my anger .....
Is this fire literal, started with a match, of the fire of the Lord.
Luke 12:49 And I have come to send fire on the earth; and what will I (be), if it (the fire) already be kindled?
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Luke 12:50 And I have a baptism (fire), to be baptised with, and how am I straitened till it BE ACCOMPLISHED.
Matthew 3:11 ...he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire.
1 Corinthians 3:15 .....but he himself shall be save, as yet by fire.
Psalms 86:13 For great is thy (the Father's) mercy toward me (Christ): and thou (the Father) shall deliver my (Christ's) soul (body) from the lowest hell (sheol, the grave).
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell (sheol, the grave) hath enlarged herself, and open her mouth without measure ....
Mark 9:43
I have never seen a Christian that believed these verses, if they are literal, otherwise they would have cut off their hands and feet to keep from going to hell.
It's an analogy.
You believe in a literal heaven and a literal hell.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those (literal and physical) things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things (SPIRIT) which cannot be shaken remain.
Very interesting question. Only God can forgive sin; but we are told to "confess our sins to one another". ( James 5:16). We are told to reconcile with a brother before "offering a gift before the altar" ( Matthew 5:24). If we bear unforgiveness in our hearts; then the effectiveness of His grace is stunted; for the woman who put the perfume on Christ was forgiven much so she loved much ( Luke 7:47).
All of us individually are accountable before God. We can forgive "seventy times seven" ( Matthew 18:22); and Ephesians 4:32 indicates that we are to forgive others even as God has forgiven us. If we don't forgive others then God won't forgive us according to Matthew 6:14-15. This wouldn't necessarily indicate that we are nonbelievers; but if we don't bear fruit "worthy of repentence" ( Matthew 3:8-10) then we have to seriously test ourselves to see if we are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5).
So the short answer is that God can only forgive others if they are wanting forgiveness. Each of us is judged individually; and since we are not God we don't have the authority as Christ did to forgive sins as the Pharisees stated only God can forgive sins ( John 20:23). Confessing our sins to one another can allow transparency so that the Lord can possibly speak a word of wisdom which in turn gives someone a better understanding of themselves; as well as clearing up what can be a stone wall in relationships ( Prov. 18:19). The best we can do is a formulaic process to give a partial assessment of sins in others as only God knows the intentions and motives of the heart even if the Spirit gives us a glimpse into such things. It is the same as asking can we save anyone by "confessional regeneration". The words are only effective if God grants one repentance first ( Acts 11:18; etc). Indirectly then; forgiving one another allows God to repair the sin or estrangement with Him.
I don't believe he did, Albert. John probably knew of his Divine mission & the zeal & spirit of Elijah would have spurred him on in his endeavours, but when he saw Jesus coming to him at the Jordan, he expressed great surprise (maybe some consternation) that Jesus wanted to be water baptized by him ( Matthew 3:11-15). He knew that Jesus would baptize others with the Holy Spirit, just as John was baptizing in water those indicating contrition & repentance of their sins, but for John to baptize Jesus in water would have seemed unfathomable to him.
Hi Paul. 'Repent' in the Bible is from the Greek word, Metanoeo, which essentially means, 'changing one's mind or direction'. So when someone repents of having offended a person by word or deed, it means that he is sorry for his actions & determines in his mind to no longer offend in that way; he wants to take on a new path, not only towards that person but also towards not committing that offence again.
When we see it in the biblical view, repentance towards God can be one of two types: a simple sorrow (or, even a show of sorrow) for committing a sin yet without any desire to deal with that sin; and secondly, a deep sorrow, brought about by the Holy Spirit's conviction upon that person. In Matthew 3:7-10, we read of some religious leaders coming to John the Baptist to be baptized. They might have come because of the hype of the moment or even a sense of adding to their attempt to please God. But John questioned their motives, saying that their hearts weren't right & their coming was hypocritical & not to demonstrate repentance.
Whereas the repentance that Jesus & the apostles spoke of is the true understanding of repentance: of a change of heart & mind towards sin, turning away from it & turning to God. Only after Jesus' Death & Resurrection & the coming of the Holy Spirit to indwell men, did men pre & post-Cross, receive a conviction of their sin & urging to turn away from anything that brought eternal damnation. Luke 13:1-5; John 16:7-11; Acts 2:36-39; Acts 3:19. So today, when one truly repents, he acknowledges that he is a sinner, having offended God by his carnal lifestyle & rejection of God; then under the moving of the Holy Spirit, he can do nothing but fall at the Cross of Christ in sorrow & seek forgiveness only through Jesus' Sacrifice. When that heart has truly turned away from the 'old' & now cleaving unto the Lord, God forgives - forgiving completely - sending His Holy Spirit to indwell him & give him new life, a new joy & a new hope.
So the 'axe that is laid to the root of the trees': this signifies that this will be God's Judgement of cutting down & discarding even those who have been blessed as are called the children of God, since these very ones are not trusting God for their position & redemption, but trusting in their heritage & not living out lives that are worthy & fruitful. These 'trees' God will cut down with His Axe of Judgement, right at the root so that nothing can grow from it again; and John the Baptist's coming (and as a forerunner to Jesus Christ), was to do exactly that: to separate those in God's flock from those who aren't - as also those abiding in the Vine & those who want to be for their own reason - but these will be soon plucked from the branch for lack of fruit (i.e no evidence of faith & no fruit from being nourished by God through Jesus ( John 15:1-8)).
Words of Jesus : John 10:15,16, Matthew 15:24, Matthew 18:10-14, John 3:16, Romans 8,
Matthew 3:2, Matthew 4:17, Mark 1:15, Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19,
Hopefully these are helpful
John baptism was the baptism of repentance.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that THEY should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
John was preparing the way for Israel.
Israel trusted in the promise to Abraham made them children of Abraham because the Kinsman of the flesh. The repentance John preached was to turn them from that and turn them to Christ. "FROM UNBELIEF TO BELIEF."
Note: Matthew 3:9-11 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
God bless.
Isn't everyone a unbeliever before they are a believer?
Isn't everyone a liar?
Isn't everyone fearful?
The lake of fire is Christ.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
If your in Christ and Christ is in you; then your in the FIRE.
Matthew 3:11 ....and he shall baptise you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.
Malachi 3:2 And who shall abide the day of his coming (Christ in you, Colossians 1:27, baptised into his name)? and who can stand when he (TRUTH and LIFE, John 14:6) appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire and a fullers soap.
Malachi 3:3 And he shall set (in you) as a refiner and purifier of silver: that YOU may offer unto the Lord an offering in RIGHTEOUSNESS.
God Bless You.
I can get water baptized until I am water logged and it isn't going to do anything for me spiritually. It's just water on the outside of the body. Water baptism cannot produce the ministry Spirit of God. And if I look through this chapter, it's talking about being delivered from sin, dying to sin, and being born into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. You don't do that through water. It's through the Spirit of God!
Spirit baptism, or the baptism of the Holy Spirit, is the name of the ministry of Jesus Christ. I know the term has been misused today so a lot of people try and stay away from the term "Baptism of the Spirit." But in Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist said "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance."
John's baptism is different than Christian baptism. His was for the Jews that they would repent at the coming of Messiah. He says I baptize you water unto repentance, (not remission of sin), but He that comes after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear, He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire. This is Jesus' ministry, to baptize us with His Spirit. The fire represents judgment. But we become a member of the body of Christ the moment we are saved and that is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In Galatians 3:27, it says "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ." So the baptism is parallel to and synonymous with putting on Christ, salvation, and receiving Christ. I have to understand this from Paul's perspective. Paul is the one that taught about Spiritual baptism being salvation, and the time that you come into the body of Christ. It is the Lord's ministry, and it is sad that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is misunderstood today and mistaught which takes away from the very function for which it is supposed to serve.
To be fair, I am going to look some more at Colossians 2:12. I may still be on the fence with that one. I hope you have a great day!
The truth is out! Do you believe the words of Jesus?
This comes direct from the mouth of Jesus. Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Do you believe the words of Apostle Peter? Peter speaks directly about when we are baptized we receive God's Holy Spirit! Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
So, Jesus tells us we must believe and be baptized to be saved. The Apostle Peter whom Jesus Christ built His Church on told us that when we repent, and get baptized, we receive "the gift of the Holy Ghost". Jesus gets baptized to show us how it is done - with water! Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" What is the spirt of God? It is the Holy Spirit!
As a Christian (A Christ Follower) doesn't it just make sense to follow Jesus words and his actions?
The difference between the water baptism of John and the Water Baptism of Jesus Christ, is that we now receive the promise of the Holy Spirit - per Jesus Christ, and per Peter! From the very beginning of The Church water baptism was the requirement, and is still the requirement today. Jesus and all of the original Apostles (including Paul) didn't change the water baptism requirement.
So, now when we follow the above scripture it all ties together and we comply with the instruction from Jesus speaking to us here; John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
If someone thinks that water baptism is no longer required today, they are ignoring the above scripture and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
GBU
As stated earlier, I believe that John's baptism of the penitent was very different to Jesus' baptism by John. The first, was for sinners to visibly indicate their spiritual need & in some way acknowledging that John (i.e. his calling & work) was a prelude/an announcer to another One coming Who would come to usher in the Kingdom & perform another type of baptism ( Matthew 3:1-3,11). Even John was perplexed as to why Jesus would come to him to be baptized since, of all people, Jesus definitely did not fit the reason for his baptism.
Since that part is clear to me (i.e. of the different baptisms of the people & Jesus), one could be better served to discuss what Jesus meant when He said, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness (v15)". Yes, baptism was a command, but was it the same command given for the people & Jesus alike, or was Jesus' need to be baptized prompted by a totally different 'command', motive, & resulting fall-out? I realize that the answers we give to this question can only be from our personal understanding/Spirit's leading, since no verse gives specific detail on it.
And to add another thought: what if some people gathered around John refused, or despised, his baptism, but later on came to realize their sinful condition when seeing the Life of Jesus & His Works & hearing His Words - would they be rejected now because they refused John's baptism? I guess, another moot question.
Hi Chris, lets talk about John's baptism.
I will start with Paul meeting those disciples in Ephesus. He asked them if they were baptized in the Spirit after they were baptized in water (should they?). They answered that they never heard of the HS. He asks them in what name were they baptized (how come they never heard of the HS since in baptism we are baptised in the name of F and S and the HS, this being another evidence that believers were not baptised just in the name of Jesus). They said they were bapt. John's baptism. And he says Acts 19:4 "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance ..." So John's bapt. was a bapt. of repentance. If you make a search about that you will find out that John's bapt. was done as follows. The person to be bapt. went into the river until his waist was submerged, then he stayed like that and started confessing his sins and when he finished confessing he dived in the water and rised. That was the ritual.
There is a detail in Jesus' bapt. that if one is not aware will not notice.
Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:..." Jesus went up straight away. He had nothing to confess, no sin at all. He went into the river and immediately dived and came up.
That is why John tried to prevent Him from being baptized. John knew that Jesus had no sins, there wasn't a reason for Him to be baptized. It was useless for Him. But what did Jesus said " they had to fulfill all righteousness. But why, He had no sin. No reason to be baptized. Because it was a commandment from God and He had to obey although that didn't have any usefulness for Him. Now if Jesus obeyed, shouldn't we? Notice please that Jesus started His ministry with baptism. All other things followed that. But we have gone through these before. You ask many questions like if smd is in death bed and has no time to be baptized. I don't have the right answer to that but my ignorance doesn't cancel the word of God.
One of the Main Events in the bible. Jesus is baptized and receives the Holy Spirit and it pleases God! If this isn't a learning teachable event for us - nothing is! Jesus provided us with his examples to follow, hence as Christ followers we should be striving to follow Him.
Matthew 3:16
"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"
Jesus shows us how it is done, and if He does it, and instructs everyone to do it, where do we improve our standing with God - if we ignore His command?
Jesus commands the diciples to baptize believers.
Matthew 28:19
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
If the apostles would have ignored Jesus command to baptize would this have been good for them? If all of the apostles, including Paul believed that baptism was required, why should we believe any different than they?
Peter tells us that when we repent, and submit to baptism we receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
So, Jesus/God tells us in so much scripture, that when we believe, repent, and get baptized - we are forgiven of our sins, and we receive the Holy Spirit!
The above scripture is so easy to understand, even a child can understand the need to follow God's instructions regarding this issue.
GBU
Part 2.The transition.
Israel was the only Nation given a God given religion, they were asked to repent. Here you have a great transition, the veil was rent earlier and now we see a transition from law to grace, No more circumcision of the flesh but of the heart. that's why John the baptist said in Matthew 3:8-10 "Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Paul says it in Romans 1:16. "Chronology" it is to the Jew first. This conversation of repentance can only be given to a God given Nation and religion. (JUDAISM.) No longer Identified by circumcision of the flesh but Identified with Christ and THEN carry the message to the ends of the earth.
They were to repent and be baptized believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
When we are saved we are baptized by water to give a witness that we are baptized by the Holyspirit and Identified with Christ. So all throughout Acts these steps were highlighted.
There was an beginning of a new covenant.
John the baptist was preparing the way for the Lord for Israel. He came in screaming prepare the way for the Lord
Announcing a kingdom "Before " the King was rejected, This was the baptism of John.
When Jesus sent the Desciples out to teach all baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holyspirit, That speaks of the working power of his Death and Resurrection to those who believe.
See Part 3.
I believe you are responding to my response to Texsis.
Here's what's noted.
Qs...I've heard 2 different things about baptism. What is your opinion? I believe that once Christ resurrected for us and we are spiritually baptized once we except Him in all that apply, there is no need to get water baptism. can yet not necessary. Yet I keep getting flack for it.
The root of this debate is requirement and always have been. On this thread the evidence is in the parties participating, Adam and Bro Dan has always made it clear that it's a requirement. You have been part of that debate in the recent past also. I know you say you don't believe it does but you argue along side them so you should know.
Secondly, salvation is death and a new birth "AND" sanctification. Not just Positionally where we're hidden in Christ. but practically where he lives in us. We've recieved the earnest of the spirit. This takes us to Romans 6:4. "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
Baptism means Identified.
We are Identified with the death meaning the penalty and the power of the old nature is to be recognized as crucified. And we are Identified with Christ resurrection in where we walk in newness of life. That's why the chapter opens up like this- Romans 6:1-4.
So I don't hold the view water baptism symbolizes cleansing of the sins because that notion doesn't complete the Identification. "Baptized into his resurrection.
So I believe When the scripture says believe and be baptized it don't necessarily mean water baptism. It means what takes place once you believe. The baptism John spoke of which is not of man but the Holyspirit. Matthew 3:11.
God bless.
The basic premise is that we are all "children of wrath" by nature under condemnation apart from Christ. ( Eph. 2:3). If we cannot understand that man's heart is estranged from God; and that at best we try to avoid the consequences of sin rather than have any true remorse for offending a Holy; righteous and just God then we simply are living out a works based theology. Titus 1:15 shows further how our best actions are contaminated and defiled.
Human love only shows true affection for those who love us ( Matthew 5:46-48). To love those who "despitefully use us" ( Matthew 5:44) takes a change of heart; a Divine intervention and infusion of the Holy Spirit again which is given by God ( Ezekiel 36:26).
From OUR perspective we see ourselves drawn to the one from all eternity who created all things. ( Ecclesiastes 3:11). This verse shows again how even THIS is instigated in man's conscience by God. We need to realize that there is a process involved; as the parable of the seed and the sowers indicates. The seed from God (again planted on His initiative) is introduced; and ultimately must progress until "fruit is produced" (see also Matthew 3:8). TRUE repentance will overcome temptations that the Lord uses to prune us; as He "chastises all those He loves" ( Heb. 12:6; etc). God therefore initiates salvation; and the whole sanctification process ultimately leading to glorification ( Romans 8:17).
When we are saved; we have new desires to serve God and rejoice in the thought of service to Him now and in eternity. We begin a process of mortification of the deeds of the flesh ( Romans 8:13). From our perspective; we need to accept the truth about ourselves and our utter hopelessness apart from Christ in our own strength. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom ) Proverbs 9; Psalm 111; etc). Jeremiah 32:40 shows God gives that
Having in mind scripture like the following:
1 Peter 3:21
"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
Mark 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Matthew 28:19
'"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Acts 2:38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 2:41
"Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
Matthew 3:13-15
"Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
If Jesus had to be baptized John's baptism to "fulfill all righteousness" and John had to step back to allow that, what about us been baptized the christian baptism to fulfill God's righteousness? Baptism is not symbolic, it is essential for fulfilling God's righteousness, essential for our salvation.
GBU
Let's address why wouldn't someone want to be Baptized? Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:2-7, Romans 6:3-13,
Is it fear that keeps one from baptism? 1John 4:18, trust? Psalms 56:11, that person may possibly be about to ask another gentle close friend in the Body of Christ to be the person submersing with people of close relation in there nearby or helping, while the Church leader prays or recites scripture. I've seen many believers like youth outreach baptize with Pastor helping. Depending on the fellowship. Matthew 28:18-20,
If the reason is medical, or because of very difficult situation. Luke 23:38-46,
Matthew 10:33, 2Timothy 2:12, Matthew 16:24, Matthew 3:13-17,
Hopefully these are all helpful
This could be compared in a way to confessing with our mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord to be saved. ( Romans 10:9-10). Believing in the heart is a necessary condition; lest we simply have a mantra that is some intellectual acceptance of Christ as Lord; who He actually is to every person; whether or not they have been given a new heart post conversion or are still unregenerate.
The clear example is the thief at the cross. ( Luke 23:39-43). He didn't have time to be baptized; but clearly Christ was going to be with him in paradise. Therefore; baptism is as an outer confession; it demonstrates our public affirmation of becoming part of the Body and Christ and symbolizes in some ways the death; burial and resurrection in our own lives mirroring that of Christ; our head. It is clearly a command; hence it should be done ASAP after conversion. One could say that if a person does NOT seek to be baptized and goes on a long time without it it is likely there is no evidence that they have truly repented. If we love Him; we obey His commands. ( John 14:15). Obviously we should test ourselves to see if we are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5-6); or as a Pastor see if there are any fruits indicating true repentance ( Matthew 3:8; etal). Matthew 5:19 shows if we break the least of the commandments and teach others to do so we shall be least in the Kingdom of Heaven. That should be a sobering warning of losing rewards for disobedience for elders and laypersons alike
Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of GOD, they are the sons of GOD."
Philippians 2:15 "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."
1John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."
Matthew 5:16, Luke 8:19, Matthew 23:9, John 20:17, John 4:23, John 16:28, Matthew 6:7-34 did you notice how many times GOD is referenced as "our, your Father " in that portion of chapter 6? Matthew 7:11,
Mark 3:33-35,
1John 3, Romans 8:29,
Contrast = John 8:41-47, 1John 2:23, Matthew 3:9
Hopefully these are all helpful in your study
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. God has a plan for salvation and we have no right to change it by our interpretation of the word 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: These are not my word, they are scripture By Which we as CHRISTIANS must live by. I submit this in the love of Jesus and the hope of seeing his will, that NO MAN SHOULD PARRISH !
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Matthew 3:3
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John 1:23
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Hell: the Hebrew word sheol, a place of no perception were the dead go, the grave.
Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in my anger .....
Is this fire literal, started with a match, of the fire of the Lord.
Luke 12:49 And I have come to send fire on the earth; and what will I (be), if it (the fire) already be kindled?
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Luke 12:50 And I have a baptism (fire), to be baptised with, and how am I straitened till it BE ACCOMPLISHED.
Matthew 3:11 ...he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire.
1 Corinthians 3:15 .....but he himself shall be save, as yet by fire.
Psalms 86:13 For great is thy (the Father's) mercy toward me (Christ): and thou (the Father) shall deliver my (Christ's) soul (body) from the lowest hell (sheol, the grave).
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell (sheol, the grave) hath enlarged herself, and open her mouth without measure ....
Mark 9:43
I have never seen a Christian that believed these verses, if they are literal, otherwise they would have cut off their hands and feet to keep from going to hell.
It's an analogy.
You believe in a literal heaven and a literal hell.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those (literal and physical) things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things (SPIRIT) which cannot be shaken remain.
God Bless YOU!
Repent= the act of leaving what GOD prohibited & returning to what HE commanded.
Revelation 2:5, Matthew 3:2, Luke 13:3-9, Exodus 20:14,
Where does it say to be sorry, because of our trespass?
Remember the woman: John 8:1-12, Psalms 130:4,
James 2, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 33:11,
Luke 9:23, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Romans 8:13, Matthew 10:28, Colossians 1:10-23, Ephesians 5:1-20, Jude 1:24-25,
Hopefully these are helpful
John 11:2,
This, Psalms 2, seems to me, to point to JESUS The MESSIAH, Promised one the one Savior to save all mankind, who will believe, Psalms 2:2
Psalms 2:7, look at JESUS during His baptism, Mark 1:11, Matthew 3:17, & Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5,
Psalms 2:8, JESUS when He was taken to the high place to be tempted, Matthew 4:8-10,
Psalms 2:2, when the rulers, the kings set themselves against Him, Acts 4:25-27, Luke 4:18,
JESUS coming to HIS own people, rejected by them Isaiah 53, Matthew 21:37-39,
Revelation 21:7
Hope this helps clarify
I will attempt to answer your questions with guidance from the HOLY Spirit. With scripture.
Hebrews 4:12-15, Matthew 25:31-46,
Matthew 3:7, Matthew 16:1, Matthew 16:6, Matthew 16:12,
Romans 14:12, Matthew 18:23, 1Peter 4:1-19,
Hopefully these are helpful.
All of us individually are accountable before God. We can forgive "seventy times seven" ( Matthew 18:22); and Ephesians 4:32 indicates that we are to forgive others even as God has forgiven us. If we don't forgive others then God won't forgive us according to Matthew 6:14-15. This wouldn't necessarily indicate that we are nonbelievers; but if we don't bear fruit "worthy of repentence" ( Matthew 3:8-10) then we have to seriously test ourselves to see if we are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5).
So the short answer is that God can only forgive others if they are wanting forgiveness. Each of us is judged individually; and since we are not God we don't have the authority as Christ did to forgive sins as the Pharisees stated only God can forgive sins ( John 20:23). Confessing our sins to one another can allow transparency so that the Lord can possibly speak a word of wisdom which in turn gives someone a better understanding of themselves; as well as clearing up what can be a stone wall in relationships ( Prov. 18:19). The best we can do is a formulaic process to give a partial assessment of sins in others as only God knows the intentions and motives of the heart even if the Spirit gives us a glimpse into such things. It is the same as asking can we save anyone by "confessional regeneration". The words are only effective if God grants one repentance first ( Acts 11:18; etc). Indirectly then; forgiving one another allows God to repair the sin or estrangement with Him.
Hopefully these are helpful.
Romans 6:3, Mark 10:38,
Acts 8:12-17, Acts 11:16, Acts 19:1-5, Acts 2:38,
Genesis 4:25,26, Genesis 5:1-3, Genesis 5, Genesis 6:1-13, Genesis 7, & 8, Genesis 9:8-9, Hebrews 11:1-7, 1John 3:12,
Romans 5:14, 1Corinthians 15:45, Deuteronomy 32:8, Matthew 3:21-38, Romans 5:14, 1Corinthians 15:22,45,
Jude 1,
When we see it in the biblical view, repentance towards God can be one of two types: a simple sorrow (or, even a show of sorrow) for committing a sin yet without any desire to deal with that sin; and secondly, a deep sorrow, brought about by the Holy Spirit's conviction upon that person. In Matthew 3:7-10, we read of some religious leaders coming to John the Baptist to be baptized. They might have come because of the hype of the moment or even a sense of adding to their attempt to please God. But John questioned their motives, saying that their hearts weren't right & their coming was hypocritical & not to demonstrate repentance.
Whereas the repentance that Jesus & the apostles spoke of is the true understanding of repentance: of a change of heart & mind towards sin, turning away from it & turning to God. Only after Jesus' Death & Resurrection & the coming of the Holy Spirit to indwell men, did men pre & post-Cross, receive a conviction of their sin & urging to turn away from anything that brought eternal damnation. Luke 13:1-5; John 16:7-11; Acts 2:36-39; Acts 3:19. So today, when one truly repents, he acknowledges that he is a sinner, having offended God by his carnal lifestyle & rejection of God; then under the moving of the Holy Spirit, he can do nothing but fall at the Cross of Christ in sorrow & seek forgiveness only through Jesus' Sacrifice. When that heart has truly turned away from the 'old' & now cleaving unto the Lord, God forgives - forgiving completely - sending His Holy Spirit to indwell him & give him new life, a new joy & a new hope.