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  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Note that Paul didn't say that 100% of the time, when 100% of all people die, that instantly you are absent from the body and 100% of the time immediately with the Lord. Paul just said he would 'rather' be present with the Lord. I think some are reading things into that that aren't there and it seems contrary to other scripture about us all facing judgment. No one gets to skip judgment. Matthew 12:36, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Revelation 20:11-15 - People are all judged on the same day. Lots of people seen in the same place.

    I doubt mass murderers like Hitler went to the Lord for example. I believe he is waiting to face judgment like everyone else.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says the dead will rise and those living will meet the Lord in the air. Would it make sense for someone to go heaven, then back to earth to rise up, then back again to heaven?

    Also, when people die they 'sleep' as it says in. So, they are still with their bodies. If cremated, I still believe souls are just sleeping somewhere awaiting Jesus's return, then the day of judgment that says everyone must face. It doesn't say anyone gets to skip judgment day. God bless.

    Daniel 12:2, Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
  • The Remnant of Yah on Ecclesiasticus 12:6 - 3 years ago
    Answering some questions (just a passerby looking for something) and thought I'd offer some unsolicited thoughts.

    Q: "I never understand Why people want to know what Not Canonized scripture means?

    WHY is not the King James Bible good enough for you?"

    A:The Apocrypha was in the King James Bible up until the 19th century and in speaking of Ecclesiasticus, it was regarded as practical wisdom in the least and holy writ at most depending on which church "father" you regard. James, as in the brother of our Messiah, for instance, appears to reference the book several times in his epistle.

    Next question...

    Who is Esau? Two passages and one non-Biblical source to get your journey started...

    1) Ezekiel 35

    2) Obadiah

    3) The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Volume 5, page 41...

    And you will have your answer...there is a reason why Yahushua (Jesus) said these things:

    Matthew 12:34

    34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

    And John the Baptist said it as well - arriving to TWO WITNESSES.

    And this:

    John 7:19

    19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

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    And ultimately, Jesus uses the same exact language to accuse the Pharisees as He does to mystery Babylon (which is the rulers of our generation - exciting times!):

    Matthew 23:35

    35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    Revelation 16:6

    6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

    Revelation 18:24

    24 And in her was found the BLOOD OF PROPHETS, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth...

    And oh so much more if one had a mind to just look!

    You're welcome!
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Hui Ning Wu,

    I would like to offer another perspective to your comment: "And once you are saved, you cannot lose your salvation no matter what you do!"

    I ask, is this true? If true, I would love to commit sins tonight just for fun, because no consequence. Would love to do drugs, have an affair, go to certain clubs to party, maybe even get in a fight, because if we're saved no matter what it wouldn't matter and God would still reward me?

    So, is this true that it's from God and not from satan? Before I do that I would first need to find it in clearly scripture and no other scripture would contradict it. So, if I look through the Bible for evidence, I find the following:

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    This suggests grace won't be given until Jesus comes- maybe even after we're judged. But people are telling me I'm saved and have grace now, so which is true? Does anywhere else in the Bible say that?

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    Ok, I guess it does. So, we're not 'saved' yet, huh?

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    So, believing alone isn't enough? So, maybe faith and actions matter?

    Romans 11

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    Matthew 12:31-32

    Romans 14:12

    1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'

    But many people are telling me the race is already won and that I can party. So, who is right: God's Word or man's word?

    2 Peter 3:17

    Luke 8:5-18

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Hebrews 3:12

    Galatians 5:4

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8

    1 Corinthians 9:26-27 - this suggests 'trying' is good.

    Evidence showing I should NOT commit sin. God bless...
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Brother Jesse.

    I agree with you, Man can not clean himself with "HIS" righteousness. Our righteous works cannot commend us to God, And it can't restore us back to God when we stumble. The topic is basically talking about habitual sin. Here's a picture of a person so called removing sin from his life apart from being sealed with the spirit.

    Matthew 12:43-45. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

    Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, "HE FINDETH IT EMPTY, SWEPT, AND GARNISHED." ( NO SPIRIT.)

    Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

    It amazes me ho we look at habitual sin in a professed so called Christian, and some call say he lost his salvation. But they overlook the dislike and hate between what suppose to be brothern!

    There's 3 topics that generate this division and thats

    1) The trinity.

    2) The rapture.

    3) Eternal security for the believer.

    and if I might add one more.

    Replacement theology. "The Church is the new Israel.

    This lack of love for the brothern should be more alarming than any of these topics.

    God bless you for standing true with meekness.
  • Adam - In Reply on John 20 - 3 years ago
    John 1:14-15: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me."

    This describes Jesus being the Word.

    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

    This says the Word (Jesus) was God.

    Genesis 1:26 "Let US make" (plural).

    John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

    Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us".

    God the father is referred to as God. I think most understand this. God also can refer to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. I think most Bible readers understand this too. Jesus became a man and prayed to God, His Father. While being man he was still God. This does not mean He was his Father.

    So, the human argument ignores scripture and claims Jesus wasn't ever God, because they can't humanly imagine Jesus talking to himself. This is a strawman argument, because no one believes Jesus was praying to himself.

    The human argument against Jesus being part of the God head is akin to the skit of "Who's on first." Imagine an orange consisting of skin, pulp, and seeds like the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as described in 1 JOHN 5:7. Someone claims "the skin isn't part of the orange, because it's different than the seeds. Because it's impossible for the seeds to be the same as the skin, so it must not be an orange! Only one of the 3 can be an orange, so the other parts must not be part of the orange."

    I also think there's an underlying spiritual battle occurring here. One must ask why someone is so motivated to undermine and discredit Jesus's divinity? Who would be behind such a goal? We know the answer. Tread carefully, stay in the Bible, and pray deeply about this before attacking Jesus on a website of Jesus followers.

    Matthew 18:6, Matthew 12:36-37
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Matthew 12:36 - People will be judged at some point on the same day. Is it likely that they are judged AFTER they go to heaven or hell or BEFORE?

    2 Corinthians 5:10 - People are judged first THEN they receive what is due.

    Revelation 20:11-15 - People are all judged on the same day. Lots of people seen in the same place.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says the dead will rise and those living will meet the Lord in the air.

    Would it make sense for someone to go heaven before being judged where they're going, then back to earth enter a rotted corpse then rise up to meet Jesus, then be judged then go back again to heaven where they already were?

    What about these verses that indicate people will sleep in-between while awaiting Jesus's return: Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:14.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear Robert,

    There is a link on this site with 3 steps to become a Christian and the steps are the same for someone who has fallen away from the faith.
    Link

    We must genuinely repent of our sin. Jesus already genuinely died for your sin. No sin is too great for Jesus to cover, except blasphemy of the holy spirit Matthew 12:31 which is an form of speaking evil against that which is good and denial of Jesus Christ. What you are describing is not that. God's grace otherwise has no limit and no expiration date, except for your life on earth. Of course someone who deliberately seeks to take advantage of grace would have a problem on the being genuinely repentant part.

    It's normal to assume we're not good enough and that our sin is too great. Most commonly feel that way regardless of the type of sin. I think that is the right mindset to feel absolutely dependent upon the grace of God and to accept the generous gift offered to you.

    Keep in mind that the top evangelist for Christ used to murder Christians before being converted. He then wrote more books of the Bible than anyone else. Moses killed someone. David had someone killed over his own lust and affair with someone else's wife. These all became strong men of God. The story of the prodigal son committed all kinds of sin, but returned and was welcomed. There are many people who were absolutely filthy in committing evil but still had the opportunity to turn it around and be forgiven. If they can do it so can you. Now that you know yes, you will be forgiven, it sounds like you have a decision to make.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Hey Scott,

    Passover is on the 14th of Nisan; it is a preparation day for the feast of unleavened bread, which is the 15th through the 21st. The first day of this feast is a holy convocation (Sabbath) the only work you can do is to eat. Jesus was crucified on Passover day and died around 3 PM. They had to get Him in the tomb before sundown which would be the first day of the feast a Sabbath day.

    Many choose Wednesday for that day but if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and put in the tomb before sundown, the first day of the feast would be on Thursday a Sabbath day. That would leave Friday a preparation day for the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. The Mary's and all the disciples could have gone to the tomb on Friday with the spices and anoint Jesus' body because there were no restrictions on Friday.

    If the day Jesus was crucified was Thursday, Friday would be the first day of the feast, a Sabbath as S Spencer said a high day, and Saturday was the weekly Sabbath. Two Sabbaths in a row puts Sunday which starts sundown Saturday the first chance they could go to the tomb.

    The crucifixion on Thursday gives three days and three nights. Thursday/ Day, Friday/Night and Day, Saturday/Night and Day, Sunday/Night, Jesus resurrected before sunrise on Feast of Firstfruits which He was the First Fruits of those who slept.

    What is kind of confusing the Passover lambs are killed on the 14th Passover day and are eaten the night of the 15th the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

    ( Exodus 12:3-11) ( Exodus 12:29-33) ( Leviticus 23:5) ( Numbers 33:1-3) ( Deuteronomy 16:1-8)

    Oh, by the way, the word even, is anytime afternoon when the sun starts going down until sundown which starts a new day.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Hi Scott.

    We tend to try and fit 3 days and 3 nights in between Friday to Sunday When Jesus rose from the grave. The reason for this is we know by scripture they wanted to get them off the cross because it was the preparation. and the sabbath was following. But it wasn't the day of sabbaths, it was the ( High sabbath ) that they was concerned about. It came earlier in the week. placing it sometime around Wednesday before 6pm. Ending 5:59 pm Thursday. "Their days are 6:01 to 5:59 As our days are 12:01 to 11:59."

    "The High sabbath is one of the annual sabbaths, not the sabbath of days.Which is Saturday and can fall on any day".

    They had 2 Sabbaths that week first the high sabbath, "annual" and the days of sabbath, "Saturday"

    Note:

    John 19:31. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

    So that would account for the 3 days and 3 nights and Jesus rising on Sunday morning, which starts 6:01 pm. "On our clock this would be Saturday" On their clock it's Sunday.

    Note:

    John 20:1. THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK COMETH MARY MAGDALENE EARLY, WHEN IT WAS YET DARK, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

    Not sure how accurate but we are in the vicinity.

    I hope this helps God bless.
  • Dianne - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Scott Dumm You are correct that's not possible, by judean calendar at that time, He was crucified and and entombed between 3pm. and sunset wednesday so that the jews could eat there passover, He raised from the tomb sometime saturday 72 hours later. I'm sure you will be given a few different perspectives on this. God Bless
  • Dianne - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Scott It is Not possible since he had to be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights , by judean calendar at that time he was crucified wednesday before passover was celebrated sometime before sunset and rose saturday sometime before sunset again Judean time.
  • Scott Dumm on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    question;

    If he died on Friday and arose Sunday morning how is that possible
  • S. Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jerome.

    Part 2

    Matthew 12:46-50. While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

    Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

    But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

    And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

    For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Sister Melinda, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, in this world (age) neither in the world to come (age).

    The Word of God was written by the HOLY SPIRIT ( 1 Peter 1:21), the HOLY SPIRIT is in you ( Colossians 1:27) ( Ephesians 4:6)

    To blashpheme the Holy Spirit means to NOT BELIEVE (reject) what he is saying to you through his written word and the LIVING WORD that is IN YOU.

    By not believing, or rejecting his WORD; you would not be saved in this age or in the coming age(s); but will be judged in the coming age(s).

    After the next age, possibly ages, you will AGAIN be able to be saved.

    Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the FULNESS OF TIMES (ages) he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; EVEN IN HIM.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things (in this and the coming ages) shall be subdued (they will confess him as LORD) unto him (Christ), then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be subject unto him (the Father) that put all things under him (Christ), that GOD (the Father) may be ALL IN ALL.

    No one is going to be left out of the Kingdom of God; but most want come into the kingdom in the age we are now in.
  • Melinda Pinner - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    12:30-32 What is specifically unforgiveable in this world and the world to come? Also, what about people who didn't know they or rather were not aware of the gravity of their sins? Even while on the cross Jesus pleaded with God to forgive them for they not know what they do..MAYBE he was speaking about the ignorance that shouldn't be ignored. Then again it IS God and he knows the hearts of man as does Jesus. So...
  • Glenn - In Reply on Matthew 12:32 - 3 years ago
    If you are in a flesh body ,.. you have been " born again " you've passed the first test ! Remember, there are several thousand, that refused to be born of woman , but instead, left there habitation, to disrupt the plan of God , Jude , first 6 vs's
  • Chuck on Matthew 12:32 - 3 years ago
    My commeit is if we are borne again Christians Jesus is not talking to us. About the sabith or healing or not abideing the law. we are sinners saved by grace in Mat 28 he will give us a chance to prove ourselves on the third day
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Sister Dianne, food for thought:

    You commented, God is perfect he cannot produce something not perfect that's where I think in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 the rebellion in heaven could have happened and lucifer came down and screwed things with the other angels that rebelled.

    I thought God, through Jesus, created ALL THINGS. Since he created lucifer and lucifer sinned, then lucifer wasn't created perfect. This is what other verses say:

    Romans 8:20 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF was made subject to VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY ..

    Romans 9:21 Hath the potter not power over the clay, or the SAME LUMP to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour.

    God' word says he did not make everything perfect in the beginning, BUT he through the REBIRTH of everyone by SPIRIT will make ALL THINGS PERFECT. IN HIS appointed time; eternity has a lot of time.

    Maybe Revelations account of Satan falling from heaven represents something different and at another time.

    Revelation 1:3 ...for the TIME IS AT HAND

    Doesn't seen those words would apply to something that occurred back in Genesis.

    Revelation 1:1 ....An SIGNIFIED it ...

    Sounds like Revelation represents; through WORD SYMBOLS, things that mean something other than

    what a dictionary would define them as.

    Matthew 12:38 But if I CAST OUT devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God (Christ in you) is come unto you.

    Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven... (maybe heaven SIGNIFIES something)

    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT (of heaven)..

    Jesus said he cast Satan out of YOU

    Revelation said out of heaven. Could heaven SIGNIFY YOU.

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (where CHRIST IN YOU, dwells). SIGNIFIED.

    Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Sister Dianne.

    There may be minor error in the text some is because of translation, I can give you an often used verse that's not in the original, But the verse is correct and doesn't change the narrative. The truth is not compromised!! You can discard John 3:16. out the bible and the remaining scripture will cover for it. God message is spread a little hear a little there, line upon line. The Holyspirit have his way of bringing out truth if he had only one word remaining!!! The rocks will cry out. Balaams donkey spoke!! God is not depending Mans faithfulness to do anything!!

    Besides we say he Loves us, We say he's all knowing, We're saved by grace through faith and faith comes by hearing the word.

    Why would loving God stand by and watch little feeble man derail his Whole program!!

    If so Satan wins.

    Every thing I mentioned is being attacked.

    We know we wrestle not against flesh and blood but what's behind it. She need to Know that too. We are to take a stand!

    Jesus says in Matthew 12:30. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

    You can't be with the Lord and attack hi word by which we gather.

    She must turn from such attacks and ask God for forgiveness.

    God bless.
  • Brother dan - 3 years ago
    Regarding the subject of what day Jesus died.

    Jesus said: we must be like children if we are to enter heaven.

    Matthew 18:3

    "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

    If we must become like a child - when we read the bible (like a child would) we are to believe and have faith that it is the truth.

    Jesus says in scripture: that he will be in the earth for three days and three nights.

    Matthew 12:40

    "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

    Believing this (as a child would) then Jesus remained in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights. So Jesus died on a Wednesday and was not present on Sunday morning, per scripture, this would fulfill Jesus words!

    God Bless
  • Jesse - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Delores,

    It would be difficult in such a short space to summarize the entire chapter. I can share with you a few things and break down the outlines of the chapter for you if that helps. I can also share some key verses and some memorization verses. If there are any specific verses that you would like help on, I or someone else here might be happy to help you.

    Chapter 12 can be broken down into five outlines: Verses 1-8, Eating Grain on the Sabbath, Verses 9-21, Healing on the Sabbath, Verses 22-37, Committing the Unpardonable Sin, Verses 38-45, Seeking of a Sign, and Verses 46-50, the Understanding of True Family.

    Each of these five sections can be broken down separately as to the meaning of that particular section. Do you have any specific questions on any of these sections?

    There are also some key verses in chapter 12. They are Matthew 12:3, which is recorded for us in 1 Samuel 21:1-6. Other key verses are Matthew 12:5, Matthew 12:7 which comes from Hosea 6:6, Matthew 12:17-21 which is the fulfillment of Isaiah 42:1-4 and Isaiah 49:3.

    If you are into verse memorization, some verses to memorize in this chapter would be Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:30-32, and Matthew 12:50.

    I would love to go over the entire chapter with you but it would take more than one post. Again, if there are any particular sections or verses you would like to go over from chapter 12, please feel free to ask. I would be more than happy to share with you my understanding.
  • Dianne - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Delores Mathew 12:1-14 Going up against religious leaders at that time using scripture out of context and to there benefit and always accusing and condemning the common man. Also you better do things at the right time and the right place with there blessing. Also the chapter deals with controlling your thoughts with Gods word and what you speak. Thats some stuff, there's more there. This is not complete by any means.
  • Delores Mayweathers on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Give me a summary of chapter 12, the meaning of the whole chapter.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Sister Dianne, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS knowledge.

    There are TWO SINS:

    The SIN of the flesh, that will continue in us as long as we reside in this body of flesh.

    The blood of Christ covers these sins; God no longer sees these sins.

    The SIN of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The word of God was written BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men: but holy men OF GOD spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST.

    To blaspheme the Holy Spirit means NOT BELIEVING what he says or was written by him. To NOT BELIEVE is the only unpardonable sin in THIS AGE AND THE AGE TO COME

    Matthew 12:32 ......speakeh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    When you; by the works of the Spirit, BELIEVE the words of God, you are Born Again By The Words Of God. You no longer SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT or blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (the unpardonable) sin.

    This is the only way scripture lines up and does not contradict itself, because the flesh never quits sinning,
  • Earl Bowman - 3 years ago
    THE KINGDOM OF GOD

    May CHRIST IS US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Luke 17:21 ....Behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.

    Matthew 12:28 But if I (Christ) cast out DEVILS by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.

    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT ....

    Revelation 11:15 ...The kingdoms of this world (Satan in us) are become the kingdoms of God (CHRIST IN US), and his Christ; and he shall reign (IN US) for ever and ever.

    Colossians 1:27 ...This mystery...CHRIST IN YOU...

    GARDEN OF GOD

    Song of Solomon 5:1 I (Christ) am come unto my GARDEN...

    Isaiah 58:11 ...and thou shall be like a watered GARDEN....

    Isaiah 61:11 ...and as the GARDEN causeth the things that are sown it to spring forth; so the Lord WILL CAUSE righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

    Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land (kingdom of God) that was DESOLATE is become like the GARDEN OF EDEN ...

    Genesis 2:9 ...And the TREE OF LIFE also in the midst of the GARDEN, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion (His chosen): he will comfort all her waste places: and he WILL MAKE her wilderness like EDEN, and her deserts like the GARDEN OF THE LORD: joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

    Genesis 3:8 ..the Lord God walking in the GARDEN..

    Ezekiel 31:8 The cedars in the GARDEN OF GOD could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches: nor any tree in the GARDEN OF GOD were like unto him (Christ) in his beauty.

    WE ARE THE GARDEN OF GOD....CHRIST IN US...
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Lauren.

    Here's a few verses might spark your interest as well.

    Matthew 12:46-50. While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

    Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

    But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

    And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

    For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

    God bless you.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    It's hard to deny what the Bible so clearly says. Here are more verses saying the same thing about salvation. Jesus warned his followers many times through parables that most will go to hell. Judas was a follower until he turned his back on Jesus and sold Him out. He faced a horrible death and likely will go to hell. Christians unfortunately turn their backs on Jesus today- sometimes even prominent ones, including pastors, worship leaders, ministers. The common response I hear is either denial or 'they were never Christian'- then I ask them their definition of a Christian and then usually don't get a response. The Bible says all those things about security of salvation, but you can't stop reading there, this assumes you're following Jesus and many do for a period of time, but then start following the world or satan directly, without even realizing how far they have drifted. The Bible says to fear God. He will judge you and where you will go. Most won't take it seriously, will goof off, live for pleasure and will go to hell. People need to be warned of this so they will actually follow Jesus, and avoid the disaster that awaits. Jesus's parables were quite clear and He pounded that message into people. People who don't follow Jesus's commandments don't love Jesus. They might say they do, believe they do, but they don't if continue in sin.

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    Romans 11

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    Matthew 12:31-32

    Romans 14:12

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    I BELIEVE, Christ is the BOOK OF LIFE just as he is the tree of life, the lamb of God, etc. If you are IN CHRIST and CHRIST IN YOU, then at that point you are in the Book of Life and being made ONE IN CHRIST you become a book of life, ALSO.

    Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: the SEED is the WORD of GOD.

    If you take a SEED and plant it; the part that emerges looks nothing like the SEED that was planted.

    But at MATURITY when it is HARVESTED and put in the grain bin; it is EXACTLY like the SEED that was planted. We have the SEED; Christ himself, the WORD planted in us. Now we look nothing like the SEED; but at HARVEST (death of this body) we will be put in the grain bin (Christ body, immortality) and we will be like him; we become SEED to be planted, ALSO.

    Matthew 12:37 For by my WORDS (CHRIST) thou shall be justified, and by my WORDS (CHRIST) thou shall be condemned.

    If you are IN CHRIST and CHRIST IN YOU; you are being judged NOW.

    John 12:48 .... the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him ...

    1 Corinthians 11:31 If we would judge ourselves (by the word), we should not be judged.

    1 Corinthians 11:31 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

    1 Peter 4:17 For the TIME IS COME that judgement must begin at the house of God ...

    Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we...
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Norman,

    I think all Christians struggle with the temptations of sin. Paul wrote about his struggle: Romans 7:19

    In my opinion there's a difference in a Christian genuinely trying to follow Jesus and occasionally messing up and getting a little off track...

    VS.

    A Christian who assumes he's saved, because grace, and now feel entitled to sin as much as he wants, because grace. He used to follow Jesus, but doesn't really think about it much anymore. He calls himself a 'good person' by his own standards. He enjoys the world, enjoys indulgences (sin) and rationalizes it as being OK. Then puts the world first pursuing fun, money, status, and following Jesus becomes a lower priority. He assumes he's going to heaven, because grace and his actions don't matter anymore and he's a 'good person'.

    In my understanding, the Christian who knows he's a flawed sinner and desperately needs Jesus's grace and follows Jesus and tries to emulate Him and apply His teachings is on solid ground. The fact that someone cares and is thinking about it is a heathy sign: Luke 12:5. Sounds like you fit in this category. Remember Paul killed Christians and was forgiven, so no sin other than blasphemy is too great to be forgiven, if genuine repentance.

    But the Christian who already assumes he's all good, and uses grace as a license to justify committing unlimited sin and following the world instead of Jesus, I believe is in danger.

    Jesus warned His followers (Christians) over and over about heaven and hell through His parables, etc. That few people will go to heaven and most will go to hell.

    Matthew 7:21

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13

    Romans 11

    John 14:15

    Matthew 12:31-32

    Romans 14:12

    1 Peter 1:5
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Cheryl,

    The Bible says we will all first be judged. Not just non-Christians, not just "sinners."

    Ecclesiastes 12:14

    2 Corinthians 5:10

    Matthew 12:36

    We also know that some will be confident and assume they'll go to heaven, but won't get in.

    Matthew 7:21

    To me that means that no one is going to either of those places until after judgment day:

    Revelation 20:11-15

    Hebrews 9:27

    1 Corinthians 4:5

    And finally, if people don't go to heaven or hell when they die, where else do they go? Here's what the Bible says:

    Job 14:12

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

    1 Thessalonians 4:17

    I believe just as 8 hours can pass in the snap of a finger will it seem like a snap of the finger for those "sleeping" will awake and rise to meet Jesus in the air then face judgment. This took time to put together and paste all these verses here for you, so I hope you likewise take a moment to hover over them and read them. I care.


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