Discuss Judges 19

The Old Testament references ( Genesis 18:4; 19:2; 24:32; 43:24; Judges 19:21; 1 Samuel 25:41; 2 Samuel 11:8; Song of Solomon 5:3; Psalms 58:10) show that the washing of the feet was the first act on entering the tent or house after a journey. The Orientals wore only sandals, and this washing was refreshing as well as cleanly. In the case of ordinary people, the host furnished the water, and the guests washed their own feet, but in the richer houses, the washing was done by a slave. It was looked upon as the lowliest of all services ( 1 Samuel 25:41). Jesus pointedly contrasts Simon's neglect of even giving Him water for His feet with the woman's washing His feet with tears and wiping them with her hair ( Luke 7:44). On the last evening of His life, Jesus washed the disciples' feet ( John 13:1-16). Their pride, heightened by the anticipations of place in the Messianic kingdom whose crisis they immediately expected, prevented their doing this service for each other. Possibly the same pride had expressed itself on this same evening in a controversy about places at table. Jesus, conscious of His divine dignity and against Peter's protest, performed for them this lowliest service. His act of humility actually cleansed their hearts of selfish ambition, killed their pride, and taught them the lesson of love.

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Yes, in our times, in our culture, this treatment of women made in God's image is concerning to us. In ancient cultures, women, slaves, and servants were no considered equal to the adult males that had authority over them. Jews considered Gentiles unclean, common, and less human than themselves. I do not know how these practices of treating women as second class came to be common, but perhaps it was a result of the many wars that killed many men. So, there may have been more women than men and to spare the women from being destitute, without land or children, men took multiple wives and then began to use female slaves as concubines.

So, yes, Jesus was a liberator-of women, slaves, servants. But really, He is the liberator of everyone dead in sin,

I know that the concubine is a symbol of Israel as they went whoring after strange "gods", but it is particularly disgusting and disturbing how women were treated as chattel in biblical times. It took Jesus Christ, our Creator, to finally show the value of all human beings. I like to tell people He was the first liberator of women.

The entire account of the rape and murder of this poor concubine is absolutely horrific. It shows just how deviate and depraved man has always been. The fact that a bunch Homosexuals would be bold as to want to rape anyone that entered that city would cause me to say that they deserved to die. However the Levite was just as guilty by not putting up a fight against them.

The chapter begins with "And it came to pass in those days, when there was no king in Israel,..." We cannot pass judgement on all the characters involved here because then we will be no better than the men that brought the woman before Christ, demanding her judgement because she was caught in the very act of adultery. We know Christ's reaction. I always wondered where the man in this incident was. (another post).

As usual, the Lord desires us to look within our selves and make righteous judgments. Decisions that will make an impact in our own lives and where we live. Our homes, neighborhood, cities, states, nation. I am by no means perfect, nor am I holier than anyone else.

A sad commentary on society, and even so that it happened in a city of the Israelites. I was taught to take care of our women folk. ( 1Peter 3:7) But we are in a point of our society that we do as we please, for there was no king in Israel at this time. v. 1.

We have abandon our core beliefs and are as rudderless boats "tossed about with every wind of doctrine." Eph 4:14

We must fall on the mercies of God, 2 Chronicles 7:14.

Our hope is to bring as many people to the knowledge and mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ before the trumpet sounds and the church is taken to heaven. Rise up my brethren, for our redemption is very near. Get right with the Lord, pray for others, let's go out and make disciples Matthew 28:18-20.

God bless all.

Hello Debra. Here's a few for you to look up, both commands & illustrations against deviant behaviour:

Genesis 19:1-8

Leviticus 18:22

Leviticus 20:13

Deuteronomy 23:17

Judges 19:16-25

Romans 1:24-27

1 Corinthians 6:9,10

1 Timothy 1:9,10

Jude 7

Bible Verses About Homosexuality

Genesis 19:1-11

That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he

saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground.

"My lords," he said, "come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then

get up early in the morning and be on your way again." "Oh no," they replied. "We'll just spend the night

out here in the city square." But Lot insisted, so at last they went home with him. Lot prepared a feast for

them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all

the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to

Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex

with them!"

So Lot stepped outside to talk to them, shutting the door behind him. "Please, my brothers," he begged,

"don't do such a wicked thing. Look, I have two virgin daughters. Let me bring them out to you, and you

can do with them as you wish. But please, leave these men alone, for they are my guests and are under my

protection."

"Stand back!" they shouted. "This fellow came to town as an outsider, and now he's acting like our judge!

We'll treat you far worse than those other men!" And they lunged toward Lot to break down the door. But

the two angels reached out, pulled Lot into the house, and bolted the door. Then they blinded all the men,

young and old, who were at the door of the house, so they gave up trying to get inside.

Leviticus 18:22

"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."

(NLT)

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have

committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."

(NLT)

Judges 19:16-24

That evening an

They raped her, it appears that she was dead at the door. If you read on, God sent punishment upon that part of the nation, judgement came to them. It wasnt about her sin, but theirs.

Thank you Bob, for clearing up the meaning of concubine, I was way off base.

a concubine was a woman who was not technically a wife, yet was available for the pleasure of a man and was treated similar to a wife. Websters 1828 dictionary CONCUBINE, noun Latin , to lie together, to lie down.
1. A woman who cohabits with a man, without the authority of a legal marriage; a woman kept for lewd purposes; a kept mistress.

2. A wife of inferior condition; a lawful wife, but not united to the man by the usual ceremonies, and of inferior condition. Such were Hagar and Keturah, the concubines of Abraham; and such concubines were allowed by the Roman laws.

Just how many women are in a concubine and all married to the same man.
I understand why, fore it was to populate the earth.

the concubine was not a virgin she had played the whore on her husband.

it was not the man that cheated but the concubine played the harlot.

Well since she was dead he cut her into 12 pieces one for each tribe of Israel to see the wickedness done unto her.
This was a gruesome lesson for the 12 tribes to see.

So did he really like cut her up into 12 PC's what's the purpose of that

concubine was a wife of secondary rank

The woman was a harlot but then she was a mans wife. She didn't rape the men but they raped her. Do you not have pity on the woman just because she used to be a harlot.

the point here is not the concubine being a harlot,but the evil in mans heart when he leaves God out of his life and out of his government.Man will always seek what he feels is right .A disobedient and idolatrous people are defeated time and time again without God because of their rebellion.

A Nazarite is a real man or woman Israelite. The most famous Nazarite was Samson. Starting with Judges chapter 13; the story of Samson.

How awful,:-0,I am speechless,and for anyone to say she deserved it is horrible,we are not always people who make good choices but to say someone DESERVED to be beaten and raped,is such a demoralizing thing to yourself and others,she may not of been a classy lady,but she did NOT deserve what she got,I am appauled anyone would say such things or think them,What if it ws someone you knew?,wowsers!!!

Meesha - you've got it all confused; the wife cheated on her husband.

This story of Gibeah is so similar to the story of Sodom.

Why didn't they just kill the men. This would had solved everything!! And, the virgin would not had been brutally raped.

I find it interesting that at the beginning of this chapter, it specificly says there was no King in Isreal and that the concubine left her husband for cheating on her and that he tried to get her back.While traveling the Levite refused to stay with strangers which is why he stayed with family; the tribe of Benjamin on his way to the house of the Lord. It takes the horrific to get our attention.

Loose, how do you know that the 12 pc's. of the woman's body represents the 12 tribes?
You say "she deserved it" if you read into the rest of the book 20:35 God armed men and battled against the men that raped and killed her, 25 thousand were killed. God avenged her death.

this woman was a concubine, i think she deserved it all remember that they wer out of God's will n whr ther is no God anything happens 12pieces represented the 12tribes of ISRAEL

It was wicked things to do; They gave her up to be abused and raped, she died then her husband cut her up.When her body was found by the public they asked who did such wickedness? The abuse and raping was equally wicked!

Truth seeker;your answer is inJudges 20:28 God wared (sent the Israelites) against the children of Benjamin.V.35 killing 25,000 , for taking the woman causing her death. Scripture gives no account of the Levite Priest or her father being punished for their part. But God punished the children of Benjamin. Read the rest of the chapter. Your question sounds like you are seeking mans opinion.

Who committed the most worst act? The sons of Belial ( the devil) who wanted to have sex or rape the Levite Priest ,or the Levite Priest who gave the men his concubine to keep them from wanting to have sex or rape him and than cutting up his concubine in 12 pieces and scattering the pieces of her body throughout all the coast of Israel after the sons of Belial raped her all night long.