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  • David0921 - 1 month ago
    THE BIBLE (part 2)

    The King James Version is not a perfect translation, but it is translated from the oldest manuscripts and we have access to the tools (concordances, interlinears, dictionaries) which are keyed to the KJV to check the translators and check the original text as necessary. The Bible is its own interpreter.

    1 Corinthians 2:13 declares:

    "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

    The Bible is a spiritual book because God who is the author is Spirit, and they that worship God must worship him in Spirit and in truth ( John 4:24).

    The primary reason that natural man is unable to discern the spiritual things of God is because man by nature is spiritually dead, as we read in 1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

    Ephesians 2:1-9 "And you hath he quickened [made alive], who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air [Satan], the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation [manner of living] in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us [made us alive] together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of works lest any man should boast.

    More in part 3
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 2 months ago
    John 4:24 tells it all,
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Q&A "The Ark"

    Q: If Ark is intended simply as a chest, the body of a believer can be called an ark. Does it not?

    A: Yes if the body is born of the incorruptible Word. In Joseph's case he was anointed before the Israelites "embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt."(Ge.50:25-26). In v.25 we read that "And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence./So Joseph died." He had faith that he was created 'after our likeness' so he died in hope. "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" is our hope since Jesus Christ the captain of our salvation has gone before us. (1 Pe.1:23) God chose Joseph before he was born and his dreams are clear indication of it, and the Spirit includes it for our edification. He was hated by his brethren without a cause as Jesus was. The Hebrew word Aron is an ark, which when associated with Egyptian funerary purposes is called Canopic jar. It is in this sense Joseph deemed his bones for his after life. Our body is a tabernacle, built without hands which liveth Jesus Christ.

    "And the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant" (He.9:4). What does manna signify for a new creation? "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." ( John 4:34) The tables of the covenant is the Law as we read in the Psalm,"I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart."(Ps.40:8). Aaron's rod is our abiding life in Christ so the same power of resurrection that worked with Jesus, - in all things he might have the pre-eminence explains the ark of his testimony. "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament."(Re.11:19)
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Q&A "The Spirit of Antichrist"

    Q: Devil also believes that God is one and trembles. What makes the spirit of antichrist different?

    A:St Paul defines the spirit of Christ which is of God. "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."(1 Co.2:12). The spirit of the world runs under the law of sin. The devil may believe God is one but in following his own will he resists the Word. So are those who say they believe Jesus Christ came in flesh of God. But in denying the power thereof they quench the spirit that is freely given of God."And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world./Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world." (1 John 4:3-4)

    The Bible sets the fulness of God in Jesus Christ. By denying the covenant between God and his Son what do imposter churches teach? Blessings of God to Abraham as the basis renders the entire scripture out of focus. God blessed man who is created after our image and after our likeness. Ep.1:3-4. "That we may know" requires understanding which is the knowledge of the holy.
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Q&A "Falling away"

    Q: Before the man of sin be revealed there shall be falling away first, so says St Paul. How does it affect a believer abiding in Christ?

    A: In no way it shall affect us. "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."(1 John 4:4). The base line for new creation began in the day heavens and the earth were created. The fullness of God in Christ was part of the world made to appear by his word. So when we received his Son whom he had sent we are part of the work of God already. ( John 6:29).

    This is however holds true in the divine Will of God. The seven days under which we have been created we have to confirm by faith. So in the world made to appear we have to fulfil the aspect of 'after our image and after our likeness' by our own free will. It is to this St Paul refers,"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise." (Ep.1:13). Outpouring of the Spirit in Jerusalem was a sign for the world that with the coming of the Lord there shall be a gathering of those who have made a covenant with him by sacrifice. "Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. (Ps.50:5; 2 The.2:1)

    In the epistle to the church of Thessalonians St Paul is addressing the church of God at large, that as he had feared shall fall away. So much so vv.3-4 have already occurred as many popes have claimed more glory than of God. St Paul is talking about the son of perdition, the beast "and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;/Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "(2 The.2:3-4)
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 months ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    Part 9.

    Not only will the believer love those within the Christian fellowship, but there will also be a desire for those outside the fold to come to a saving knowledge of Christ. It is impossible for Christ, the One who died for sinners, to be in the heart and there not be a longing for the salvation of sinners. A sterile and frigid Christian is not likely to experience the sweetness and joy of full assurance, but a vital Christian, who knows something of the Savior's compassion, will find the joy of belonging and an abiding experience.

    Conscious of Being His Child.

    A consciousness that we are children of God comes to the soul and says that we are the sons of God. This is the gracious work of the Spirit of God and not the product of psychological presumption.

    By this know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. (1 John 4:13)

    This does not mean that we are conscious of the presence of the Holy Spirit, but it does mean that we are conscious of the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself, but He speaks of Christ:

    Nevertheless, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself, but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come. ( John 16:13)

    Part of the work of the Holy Spirit is to make us conscious that we are the children of God.

    The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. ( Romans 8:16)

    There is a counterfeit humility going the rounds today, and it sounds very pious, but it does not have the ring of the genuine. Some say that we are to grovel in the dust and act like worms - this is the modern way of putting on sackcloth and ashes. It is true that we are sinners; there is no good within us, no good comes out of us, and we have nothing in which to glory save the cross of Christ.

    See Part 10.
  • Bennymkje - 3 months ago
    John 4:23-24 "I am he"

    "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" In the short dialogue the Samaritan woman expresses the significance of being a living soul. She had an inkling of the truth and she needed Jesus to enlighten her. "

    Blessings come from the greater to the lesser. " Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." (Ep.1:3-) Holiness of God expresses love. So God anoints Jesus "Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."(Ps.45:7) This prophesy concerns Jesus the Anointed one.' For God loved the world sends 'the only begotten Son' indicating that he is the Word made flesh,

    The covenant between God and Man as referred by St Paul in the above mentioned takes place in heavenly places, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." Predestination is merely a theological term to define this choice is according to his purpose,"to the good pleasure of his will,". God is a Spirit so the laws upholding his holiness is spiritual. These laws state what is holy and what is good. Being conformed in the image of his Son gives love a human face.

    While heaven was made to appear according to his 'good pleasure' the Son also had his part."The same was in the beginning with God./All things were made by him;..../ In him was life; and the life was the light of men." Upon the template of the divine Will the unseen aspects of His holiness is made to appear. As the Father of lights the separation of light from darkness is sanctified by the Law of the Spirit. Consequently Jesus Christ the Word made flesh is the true Light,"which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Those who failed to see it as such were led by the law of sin,- the children of wrath.
  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY - In Reply - 3 months ago
    I have believed Jesus Christ is God and have had faith practicing and speaking into existence these ways With Insurance of God I John 4:18 KJV , Isaiah 41:10 KJV , Psalms 27:1 KJV, Deuteronomy 3:22 KJV, Assurance of God Romans 8:31-39 KJV which is a plus benefits,rewards, offered I accept to rely on God's love and overcome fear ,sickness and death.

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  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY - 3 months ago
    Luke 8:50 KJV

    But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.

    Overcoming fear, sickening and death Relying on God's Love

    Insurance of God

    I John 4:18 KJV

    Isaiah 41:10 KJV

    Psalms 27:1 KJV

    Deuteronomy 3:22 KJV

    Assurance of God

    Romans 8:31-39 KJV

    39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Ways you can rely on God's love and overcome sickness, and death are recognizing God's presence,. Trusting in his sovereignty, boistering our faith, and embracing his love. Reading your holy bilble, praying having thoughts of God that your heart will be at.( Jeremiah 29:11 NKJV)

    Have healthy relationships with God enjoying healthy relationships with one another.

    Having Christian morals, man and woman of you word and virtue. Always tell the truth. Treat others as you want to be treated confirming yourself in the image of God. That God exists. You and your thoughts becoming existence/like God Jeremiah 29:11 NKJV, Genesis 1:27 KJV his son, daughter, or children.

    What not to do to rely on God love and overcome fearsickness , and death is to be bitter and harm others, steal, cheat, liar, not working correctly.

    Keeping mind,mean,motivation of God

    Mind- Ideas, capacity, wisdom, thinking, attitude,

    Mean- method, opportunity, Howvto (know how), way, process ( techniques)

    Motivation- Empowerment, Persitance, Strength, Passion, Inspiration.

    I have believed Jesus Christ is God and have had faith practicing and speaking into existence these ways to rely on God's love and overcome fear ,sickness and death.

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  • Oseas - In Reply - 3 months ago
    GIGI

    My comment on your post to the Giannis starts saying:Based in the Word of GOD(not mine), the Spirit of Truth speaks nothing from him himself- John 16:13,right? In my analyse,I saw Giannis was not receiving a true interpretation according the Spirit of Truth in Matthew 4:2 I quoted.

    You said:"Scripture never says that Satan knew all about Jesus",it's you're saying.Scripture says he is full of wisdom,an anointed Cherub,GOD have set him so,he was upon the holy mountain of GOD walking in the midst of the STONES of fire,perfect from the day he was created,till iniquity was found in him-Ez.28.

    THERE IS NO SECRET THAT THEY CAN HIDE FROM HIM-Ez.28:3,so he is the main Enemy of JESUS and believers in JESUS.

    You said"Satan does not know what is in people's minds",but is this true?Satan did put in the mind of Eve-Gen.3:5-6-GOD doth know that eating fruit good and evil the eyes shall be opened,and shall be as gods(as angels)knowing good and evil. 6 When Eve saw that the tree(THE MESSAGE)was good for food,and it was pleasant to the eyes,and a tree(A MESSAGE)to be desired to make one wise,she took of the fruit(believed)and gave(commented)also unto her husband (both talked about things Satan had said,both believed in him);and Adam did eat(believed in the Devil),both believed in the things Satan did put in their mind.

    How can you fight against Satan and his messengers- Revelation 12:7-,if you know not well Satan,neither his messengers?This is very danger,for we wrestle not against flesh and blood,but against principalities,and Powers,and the rulers of the darkness of this world,against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Finally you"think that I spiritualize Scripture to fit my mind",who did put this in your mind?now,the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,GOD is Spirit- John 4:24 combined with John 6:63-64, mainly Matthew 10:20, understand?take a look.

    The letter kills,the Spirit gives life,you should post to Giannis by the Spirit, not by the letter, the letter kills the souls.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 months ago
    John (Part 8):

    John 4:48 - Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

    Notice the "ye" in the text? It denotes plural, not just you, but everybody else that comes up to me, they come up to me because they see the signs, and you won't believe unless you see signs. And so, the nobleman's going to tell Him "Well that's probably true, but if you come down, you can heal him. So, Jesus sees that he is still not going to understand that the Lord can just speak the word. Jesus doesn't need to be there!

    John 5:1 - After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

    Period of time:

    It begins by saying "After this," META TOUTA in the Greek, and it means right after the incidents of Chapter 4, that there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

    Some manuscripts have "The Feast" of the Jews, meaning that it is Passover. Anyways, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. It was one of the three feasts that all Jewish males 20 and over were required to be at when these feasts are held in Jerusalem every year. So, Jesus goes up to Jerusalem at the feast.

    John 5:2 - Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

    Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market, and in the Greek text is literally the sheep gate, and they are keeping the sheep in there for the Passover sacrifice. But anyway, near this sheep gate is a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

    Bethesda means house of mercy. It plays a big part. John does not put in things just to give us information. It all has a part in the story and in the message.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 months ago
    John (Part 7):

    John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

    Very important verse! Literally, that second part of the verse is that God has poured out His Spirit in its fullness upon Christ. He is all God! The principle is that He's the only one that has and speaks the words of God. In Colossians 2:9, Paul tells us that in Jesus is all of the Godhead in bodily form. Everything there is of God and bodily form! God did not pour out His Spirit by measure but rather in His fullness.

    John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Two words in Verse 36:

    He that believes on the Son, right now, has everlasting life. And he that believeth not, and that word is a different word. The "believeth not" is what is translated without persuasion. The one who believes has everlasting life right now.

    But the one who has refused the persuasion of the Son (future tense), shall not see life, but (present tense), the wrath of God is abiding on him. If you refuse the persuasion of God's Spirit about Jesus Christ, you will continue to die in your sins.

    John 4:4 - And he must needs go through Samaria.

    "Must needs" is a Greek word (EDEI) that means He was bound. It was a plan. It was necessary that He goes through Samaria. He had an appointment with this woman.

    John 4:46 - So, Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum.

    So, Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman (BASOLIKOS), from the word king, and it means to be in some kind of royal court or office.
  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY on Jeremiah 20:11 - 4 months ago
    Jeremiah 20:11-16, 38:20 KJV

    When you feel everything around you seems to be falling apart?

    My interpetation:

    1 Peter 1:3 KJV

    'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, '

    "The story of Jeremiah during the fall of Judah is a profound example of faithfulness and divine protection amidst overwhelming adversity." Jeremiah 20:11-16 KJV

    Ways we can have God's hand over us and faithfulness is to have a clean heart and thoughts ( Jeremiah 29:11 KJV) keep God's morals when living life. Believe God's word for bread of life and living water.( John 6:35 KJV)

    Morals- right from wrong , good from bad.

    God has blessed me believing in God's word for bread of life and living water.

    John 6:35 KJV

    Ways you can stand firm and not conflict for example in Jeremiah 37 KJV. Are Allowing us Christians our hands to see God, work and accomplish for us and succeed. - Mark 10:43-44 KJV. Genesis 39:3,6,23 KJV

    Ways you can overcome conflict is by having faith , praying, reading God's word.-holy bible.

    Recognizing God's hands at work. Jeremiah 38:20 KJV

    In Reference to Jeremiah 38:20 KJV My interpetation: "it shall be well unto thee and thy soul shall live." Because you come from God-"1 John 4:4-7KJV. Your are God's son- 2 Corinthians 6:18 KJV.

    Seeing myself born of God made into his image Genesis 1:27 living as God identification of male/man in this world but not of it has blessed with God and of him and his church to partake of the consolation which provides support and aid.

    Support- To sustain, to act,represent well as to support, to support the part assigned.

    Those who believed in Jesus Christ origin ( Christians)who had faithEphesians 2:8-9 KJVand the church to both show the truth were the partakers of the consolation.

    - Refrence example in 2 Corinthians 1:3-7 KJV

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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Jaz,

    Thank you, you and I and others on this site tell our understanding in love for each other as brothers and sisters whether we agree or not. There is no fear, for the things I have seen and have faced I left fear behind me years ago. We have a Savior greater than anything in this world that we may encounter, 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. I can testify we can trust this verse; Jesus is greater than Satan, fallen angels, demons, or any evil we may face.

    Like James wrote, "For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." But after this life is over, regardless of the amount of time, to us it will only be a blink in time until we will be resurrected, and we know who we will be with.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Page 2.

    How could Jesus have shared God's Glory before the creation of the worlds, if He only came as a Man over two millennia ago? Was Jesus wrong or misguided in His prayer? Or, have we somehow misunderstood this verse, which seems quite plainly given?

    John 20:17 and 1 Corinthians 11:3 (& others): all showing Jesus' subordinate position to the Father, by virtue of His coming in the Flesh.

    1 John 2:22. One can easily interpret this verse as given: 'if a person denies the Messiahship of Christ, then he denies/rejects the relationship of the Father to the Son'. But when we couple the same John writing, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4:3), we see another view of his understanding.

    What are the possible interpretations of this? There may be some who altogether deny the historical Jesus (though they would be few in number, leaning towards ignorance). Then there would be some who believe that Jesus did not come as a human at all, but as a 'phantom', or a vision/dream. This might be believed by some now, but certainly not to those in His days where He preached, showed compassion, touched & was touched physically by so many. So given that John here believes that Jesus' Life on Earth was not as some would proclaim, but rather that John is pointing his readers to this Jesus, Whom they have seen & touched, is not a mere man, but the One from God. The spirit that is not of God doesn't deny the reality of the historical Man Jesus, for "the devils believe, and tremble", but that spirit that is 'against Christ' will always move men to discard the Pre-existent Christ, not affording Him His full Deity & Glory. Onto Page 3.
  • Bennymkje - 4 months ago
    1 John 4:4 "He that is in you"

    Fulness of Christ is like a seed in itself so 'thy word is truth' and indweiing Spirit helps you sprout and put out shoots leaves and fruits. Our abundance is not of ourselves but of his fulness. " I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."( John 15:5). This is the tree of righteousness planted by the waters. (Ps.1:3) The tree is an emblem of heaven earth and lower parts becoming crystallised so we are bound to time and place yet we are on the right side of the river and of the tree of life.(Re.22:1)

    We are also as Christ promised his apostles., "And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." (Matt.4:19) We are like fishers in the vision of Ezekiel, " And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. "(Ez.47:10)

    Instead what do we find prayer request a week ago in this forum but conspiracy theories insinuating 'this senile guy sniffing kids' and the prayer for Trump. For instance the shooter is not a lone wolf as evident in this, "I have been praying. And yes, it seems that there may be more to this than just the 20 year old shooter." It is what spirit of the times have made the simple spread lies under 'pious' statement. True believers ought to compare spiritual with spiritual and aid and abet the unrighteous. This strong delusion is from the spirit of the times.
  • Bennymkje - 4 months ago
    1 John 4:4 "He that is in you" (1 of 2)

    "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

    The preceding verse gives us a context and it is the spirit of the anti-christ which,"and even now already is it in the world." So et us be vigilant. James in his epistle asks, "Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away."(Jas.4:4). So first we shall settle 'what is greater in you." St John speaks, You are of God, and in the pluperfect tense our victory is already complete in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. As promised he has also given us the indwelling Spirit. So what is our volume? "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven." (Col.1:20) His fulness is our fulness and it how the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters before He decreed the day for his Son. So we are in the kingdom of his dear Son. We are a drop of water even as nations are compared to drop of water in a bucket.

    "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." (Ro.8:10). We are to all intent and purpose in heavenly places and our lives are hid in him. Our fulness comes from God and from his word. God challenges Job with a question, "Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?"( Job 38:8) The sea with doors is like a web,- word wide web, it is to which the Parable of the Dragnet refers." Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:/Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away." It is for a believer to determine if he abodes with Christ or not.
  • Chris - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Page 3. Momsage.

    If I might relate two examples (shared here a long while ago) with just word-for-word difficulties. A language translator missionary (I personally know her) doing her work amongst a tribal group in Papua New Guinea, came across Isaiah 53:6 as part of her work: "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all". She couldn't get a word for 'sheep' in her target language, simply because they knew nothing of sheep/never seen one. Her dilemma: should she be faithful to the Word and use sheep, maybe giving them some type of picture & their habits to help them, or should she substitute the word for another. If she described a sheep to those with her now, others in later years reading the Bible, may not have the same benefit of her present teaching/translation. So she changed the word to 'pig' ('all we like pigs have gone astray'). Pigs they knew, for they herded them & seen them in the wild, with their propensity to wander off if left unwatched.

    A personal example, when sharing from the Word in Pakistan with a Church group. Not having a good grip on Urdu (Pakistan's national language), I used a translator & as is always good practise, to go through the message with him so that he too can be prepared. I referred to 1 John 4:10, "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins". 'Propitiation' is a big word even for English-speakers, so asked my translator for the Urdu word for it & how he understood it. He gave the word as 'kaffara', which simply means 'atonement'. I asked, "was that all it meant to him (& by extension to all Christians in Pakistan)?" He replied, "Yes, that is how we all read that verse", because they have no word for 'propitiation' = to appease, or satisfy God's Anger. Obviously, I had to explain further to both him & the congregation, its meaning.

    Onto Page 4.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Rich,

    I will certainly lift you up in prayer today. Paul battled inward sin, as we all do. Read Romans 7, especially the way he ends the chapter! Jesus has rescued us from the grip of sin! Even when we have to battle against the law of sin in us daily, we can have a heart as yours and Paul, who desire to do God's will and bring Him glory daily, but we find we still fail to live up to all that God wants of us. We are be sanctified daily by the power of the Holy Spirit in us who prompted the Apostle John to affirm and write: "Greater is He that is in you than He that is in the world". 1 JOHN 4:4

    So we can have confidence in God and His declaration that we are His and have been transferred from the dominion of darkness into His kingdom of light which is the kingdom of Jesus, the Son of God and our Savior. Colossians 1:13. So don't be discouraged and look to Jesus always, for He is our righteousness and deliver from all that is evil.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Brother Jesse,

    Jesse, please don't take this wrong I care, and I am trying to understand. I have read your posts on Matthew and some of it is helpful, but I do not agree with your understanding of the meaning you give on some of the Greek words.

    In Matthew 16:16 you are saying when Peter told Jesus He is the Son of the living God Peter is confessing to Jesus, that He is the Messiah and He is God. You also say Son of the Living God is a title of God, sorry I don't agree with that. I understand you and probably most on this site believe in a triune God and that Jesus is God, I am sorry, but a title did not die for my sins.

    God cannot be the Messiah, if we deny Jesus is the Christ/Messiah we are a liar and an antichrist. The one who does that also denies the Father and the Son, 1 John 2:22.

    The heart and truth of the gospel is Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, a man born of a virgin whose Father is God conceived by the Holy Ghost with flesh and blood who God the Father sent, John 3:16. Who became the Messiah when He was anointed with the Holy Ghost after John the Baptise baptized Him. He died for our sins, and we are to confess Him and believe He is the Son of God, 1 John 4:15 1 John 5:10. In the Son of God Jesus is our faith and the only hope of salvation. Jesus is the one Moses spoke of Deuteronomy 18:15

    My understanding is 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 is about this doctrine; I know you and others on here will not agree.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Oseas - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Greetings in Christ JESUS, SeanPaul'

    Yes,certainly,as you said,GOD HIMSELF manifested himself to the Hebrews through the OT;which was written by the twenty-four elders,starting with Moses,understand?By the way,JESUS said GOD is Spirit- John 4:24-,what is the name of the invisible Spirit of GOD?Well,GOD had said in the beginning- Genesis 1:26(the beginning is JESUS,who is the LITERAL IMAGE of GOD,He is GOD)-, yes, GOD had said:"Let us make man in OUR image,after OUR likeness", then, both are One, and as we can see, since ancient times, since Genesis, GOD revealed He would be made flesh.

    By the prophet Isaiah,who is one of the 24 elders,GOD again revealed He would be made flesh, and around 2000 years ago He LITERALLY fulfilled His promise- John 1:14-and what is the NAME that GOD chose for He Himself? The NAME that GOD chose for He Himself was/is JESUS - JOSHUA-. Luke 1:26-the angel GABRIEL was sent FROM GOD(the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing) unto a city of Galilee,named Nazareth,and said to Mary:behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his NAME JESUS. He shall be great, and called the Son of the Highest: the Lord GOD(the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing) shall give unto Him the throne of His father David.

    Remember: The Jews said to JESUS: John 8:41-we have one Father, even God. And JESUS said to the Devil, father of the Jews-Yahweh:It is written,Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the MOUTH OF GOD-Mat.4:4.

    Psalms 110:1combined with Hebrews 1:8(plus Matthew 25:11, James 2:1, Isaiah 49:14, Luke 20:42, 1 Corinthians 9:1) -

    GOD said to the Lord JESUS:Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Kingdom.

    KJV Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 26:4 LORD=JEHOVAH; ->JEHOVAH is another esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist nickname of the father of the Jews.

    Luke 16:5 lord=a King or one of authority,yes, see John 18:37.
  • BJGibson - In Reply - 6 months ago
    "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." John 4:14 KJV
  • Jesse - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Brother Spencer, great response! True worship is from the heart. True worship is submission to God.

    If I may add a little information here, the word worship in the New Testament, also found here in John 4:24 has absolutely nothing to do with external activities, including singing. The word literally means to bow down and kiss the ring of somebody.

    In other words, if you are coming into the presence of the king, you bow down, you get on your knee, and you kiss his ring. And then he will lift the scepter and you'll be able to talk. But you cannot talk until you express your submission and reverence.

    You see, true worship is submission. It is obedience. It doesn't mean we can't sing, but that in the Bible is called singing. True worshipers worship, and remember what it means, to bow down, to submit. True worshipers worship God in spirit and in truth. Submitting to His truth and reverencing His truth is the highest form of worship.

    Jesus quoted from Isaiah in one place and said, "Well did Isaiah say of you that you honor me with your lips but your heart is far from me." He says I get tired of you going and performing your religious vows and all your singing and whatever when your heart is not even lined up with what you're doing.



    God looks on the heart, and man looks on the outward appearance. It is unacceptable to Him. God is Spirit. Everybody that gives genuine worship to God worships Him in Spirit. We are to surrender to His Spirit and surrender to His truth. That is the highest form of worship!

    Blessings!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Hi Momsage.

    In John 4:20 the Samaritan woman at the well said "Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

    She is referring to centrality of the temple in worship where the ceremonies were performed.

    Jesus is saying the day has come where worshiping the Lord in spirit and truth is that worship of God is not to be confined to a single geographical location or necessarily regulated by the of Old Testament law.

    Worship became a matter of the heart, not external actions, and directed by truth rather than ceremony.

    Our worship of God is directed by our love for Him, Not by Command and rituals.

    Ti worship in spirit this way was prophesied in Ezekiel 36:27.

    "And I will put my spirit within you, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    This is the work of the Holyspirit.

    God bless.
  • Momsage - 6 months ago
    John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

    How do we worship God in spirit and truth? God Bless :)
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Hi Sunday Christiana ijeoma,

    In today's society, many do not even believe witchcraft is real, but it is very real and dangerous. Scripture tells us not to deal with it or be around anyone who does. I do not know what you are battling but have faith that Jesus Christ can break any bondage to witchcraft. Trust in the faith of Jesus and immerse yourself in Scripture. James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

    You can trust and hold fast without any doubt because Jesus said this, John 14:13-14 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Bennymkje - 6 months ago
    Signs-Water

    "Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:/ But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." ( John 4:13-14) Two kinds of water.

    Thirsting again is the quality of water that went up as a mist, "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."(Ge.2:7) What God gave Samson to drink was the same. This sign is within frame of reference to the day decreed for the Son. Thus blessings stipulated in the covenant or condemnation arises. This is made clear by unto this day and in that day. The latter refers to the condemnation.

    "But the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life," is what every believer or true worshiper could claim."n the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink."( John 7:37-38; Is.55:1) The two kinds of water have thus different source as Adam and the last Adam have. "The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."(1 Co.15:47)

    It is thus we distinguish between Sabbath as one day which need like water from the Jacob's Well. But thirst never gos away. The water unto everlasting life that we drink in the Son signified we have entered into the rest with the Son.

    Does this insight come from human intellect or from the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ?" (2 Co.4:6) The heretical sects who make much Israel and Sabbath are holding truth in unrighteousness. More worse is that the refuse to come to light because their works are evil." And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. ( John 3:19-20) What is their take on the unity of the Spirit. Drivel.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Matthew 12:43-45 states:

    43When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' On its return, it finds the house vacant, swept clean, and put in order. 45Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and dwell there; and the final plight of that man is worse than the first. So will it be with this wicked generation."

    This passage would seem to infer that a person could have an evil spirit removed somehow; but without the Holy Spirit taking up residence post salvation. ( John 14:23). We are reminded of the sons of Sceva who had demons come out of someone they were trying to exorcize and rend them. ( Acts 19:14-16). We also could conceivably be reminded of those Jesus cast demons from; since some may not have been truly saved after that. We see evidence of that with the case of 1 leper that came back to praise Him while the others went away. ( Luke 17:17-18). We see warnings also of Christ saying sin no more lest something worse happen to you ( John 5:14). In that case it would probably be death as he had been paralyzed for decades apparently due to some sin.

    We can think of the condition in the Synagogue where Jesus cast out a demon early on ( John 4:33 and following verses); and consider how the religious and self righteous piety of the Pharisees caused them to have this condemnation in particular.

    A more sobering thought is many "ministries" today who are seemingly obsessed with casting out demons (in some cases it is proven the same person is involved over and over as a likely paid participant for crowd appeal). I personally have a big problem with one particular teacher who often baptizes people (and says is necessary for salvation) and demons come out.

    We can hardly call someone in that condition in a sound mind ready to make such a commitment to the Body of Christ as Baptism signifies.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Dangerous times

    The other day I heard about a falling out from a church I used to attend with a good friend of mine. It seems the Pastor only wanted to talk rather than hear what he had to say; and that there is a sort of mindset of exclusivity there in regard to it being the only genuine church denomination as my friend put it. The conversation is skewed by the fact that my friend tends to be very opinionated and rather vocal with an aggressive sort of personality.

    I introduce this to say that a church can be increasingly legalistic; or on the contrary embrace the tidal wave of political correctness and hence be a Laodicean type church. in EITHER case I would dare say that a RELIGIOUS spirit can overtake people. There can exist the pride of performance; or the pride of the world and embracing all the damnable heresies in order to emphasize the "love" of God.

    I have compared the end of the church "age" or "dispensation" with that of ancient Israel. We are reminded that God was to be worshipped in John 4:24 where the woman at the well was told that God was spirit and we must worship Him in spirit and truth.

    The remnant always remains of true "Israel" (see Isaiah 10:20). There is also a confessing church and a small portion of them who are POSSESSING the Holy Spirit and thus truly children of God. It is not in a building; ordinances; catechisms and other structured parts of worship that in themselves have any meaning and indeed once we behold Him much of our current practices will be rendered as archaic and in the past. The end all of all things is heavenly treasure; and we are aliens and strangers on this earth. If we take our experience that we see with our five senses to heart without considering the unseen we are not going to progress. Yes; God uses local assemblies and our fellow believers to (hopefully) be discipled and grow together while enjoying legitimate blessings together of families and friends. But we look to the hope to come.
  • Chris - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hello Naisa Koroi. In a short answer, I don't believe that worshiping God on a Sunday is breaking the 4th Commandment.

    Briefly, my reasons are as follows: this Commandment, alongwith the others, were given to God's people, Israel, for their behavior before God & their fellow-men ( Exodus 20:1-17). The Sabbath was purely a day set apart from all others - a day of complete rest, thus it was a holy (i.e. sanctified, separated) day from the other six days ( Exodus 31:15).

    The Sabbath Command never included the necessity to worship God, though it certainly could be used that way in the family home, & then later for functions within the Tabernacle of the Congregation, other sabbath observances, & latterly, in the Synagogue.

    The Sabbath Day required that no work be done, even cooking or picking up sticks, moving furniture, lighting a fire, etc. ( Exodus 35:2,3). So the Jewish Sabbath has no correlation to when Christ's Church chooses to worship the Lord today. Some might choose to hold the Sabbath as a day of rest from all work, but for worship, believers in Christ can worship on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7), or any day of the week for that matter; even as Jesus told the Samaritan woman, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to worship him" ( John 4:23).

    It's no longer the day of worship or the place of worship that matters (whether on Mt. Gerizim in Samaria, or even in the temple at Jerusalem, as Jesus told the woman), but that our worship, whether done in private or with a Church congregation, is done in the realm of the Holy Spirit & in Truth. So Naisa, may your heart be comforted that the day of corporate worship doesn't matter to the Lord, but that we worship Him with pure hearts, and in sincerity & Truth. Be blessed.


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