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  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I wonder, Linda, how Jesus considered Peter & what He expected of him in the days subsequent to His Resurrection & Ascension. If Peter was in such a bad spiritual state, an embodiment of Satan, without any hope of recovery, then be told in John 21:15-19 to 'feed His sheep' & about his future death that would glorify God; what does even this one event tell us of Peter, even Jesus?

    Would the Lord err so greatly & ignorantly to allow a devil possessed man to minister to His flock? What you share can be very confusing, if I've understood you correctly.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Mary Ann Knight,

    You ever notice after a wedding difference people will focus details on certain aspects of things? Sometimes it's things that you yourself didn't notice or didn't seem as significant as something else. Some talk about the cake, another about the people that attended, another can't get over how white the dress was, others saw the doves released.

    There's also differences in personalities It may be one of reasons that Jesus chose the varying difference in people that wrote the Gospels. Knowing each would have a unique perspective & emphasis on different details.

    Matthew speaks much about angels, major significant events pertaining angels. Matthew 4:6,11, Matthew 13:39,41,49, Matthew 18:10, Matthew 22:30, Matthew 24:31,36, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 26:53, in context: Matthew 26,

    Mark 1:13, Mark 8:38, these following 3 Matthew & Mark both discuss: Mark 12:25, Mark 13:27,32,

    Luke has emphasise on several events others do not mention: Luke 1, Luke 2, but, like Matthew & Mark mention Luke 4:10,

    Luke 9:26, mentioned by atleast 1 other. Luke 12:8,9,

    You asked also if the others were present or witnessed the angels, it looks like Luke 24:23, testifies to that question. & John 20:12, testifies to angels being present.

    John also notes John 20:30-31, John 21:25,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    John 21:25, if Jesus CHRIST's acts could not be contained & HIS ministry was about 3 yrs. Then how could we expect on earth all the information about the days before the flood? Yet GOD in HIS infinite wisdom gives us more than enough.

    I believe these are the scriptures, you're looking for: John 1:12,

    Genesis 4:26, Genesis 5:22-24, Genesis 6:1-7,

    Revelation 22:18,19, Deuteronomy 4:2,
  • Chris - In Reply on Proverbs 3:8 - 2 years ago
    Apologies Kristina, I didn't realize that your comments applied to another thread - so I don't need to intrude into that discussion. However, we can't say for certain about the authors of the Gospels (apart from John 21:20-24, which gives us a clear indication of the writer, John). There is ambiguity there, even though some interesting arguments have been presented, for & against.

    Yet, I wonder how that would change our thinking & appreciation of the texts, if we did learn that Matthew, Mark & Luke weren't the actual authors. How ever the Gospels were compiled, whether by others, word-of-mouth, or from fragments of notes, the message remains consistent throughout, in spite of some differences, additions & omissions (which would be expected). Considering the passage of time since Jesus walked on Earth & submitted Himself to His Father in life & death, what we have in our hands now is quite remarkable, with their accounts bringing many to realization of their sinful condition & giving great joy & hope to those now In Christ. Every blessing.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 2 years ago
    Dgjot,

    I have read your posts and if I may point out a few things you may look at about Peter. I agree by using Matthew 16:18 making Peter what the Catholic Church is built on is misplaced because Jesus is the corner stone which the foundation is laid and if we look in Revelation 21:14 there twelve.

    You may think of Peter being cowardly for denying Jesus but remember he was the one who cut off the ear of that guy when they came to arrest Jesus, and Peter was the only one who followed them to where they took Jesus. Did Peter repent, it is not written the words he said but it does tell us he went out, and wept bitterly, Matthew 26:75. Also Jesus made him say he loved Him three times, John 21:15-17.

    There is one thing to keep in mind, even though Jesus told them several times, Jesus being arrested, crucified, buried, and resurrected was hidden from them. Luke 18:32-34. Then Jesus told them when He met and ate with them and opened their eyes where they would understand, Luke 24:44-47. In Matthew 16:22 Peter thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom there was no way he was going to be killed and the purpose of His death was hidden from them and Satan.

    All during the time they were with Jesus they thought He was going to set up the kingdom then. They even asked Him before He ascended, Acts 1:6 and I am sure Peter and the others were confused thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom but here He is arrested and possibly going to be killed.

    The reason you see a difference in Paul, Peter and the other 11 were told to only go to the lost sheep of Israel, Jerusalem first, to the Jews first, this is why the early battles about the Gentiles not having to be circumcised and obey the law. Acts 15, Peter had his dream in Acts 11. It was a learning curve for them that it took some time, but it is part of fulfilling prophecy.

    If you considered this already, please disregard just thought it would help.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Here are several scriptures I found about death & after death : James 2:26, Ecclesiasticus 38:23, Ecclesiasticus 22:11, 2 Maccabees 7:36, 2 Maccabees 12:44, Ecclesiasticus 10:11, Ecclesiasticus 17:28, Baruch, 2:17, Psalms 88:10, Psalms 115:11, Ecclesiastes 9:5,

    after death,: Matthew 17:1-3, Luke 7:12-16, Luke 8:49-56, John 11:21-45, Matthew 27:50-54, Luke 16:22-31, John 21:14, Acts 3:15, Acts 4:10, Mark 12:25,26,27, Luke 24:46, John 5:12, John 5:25, 1 Peter 1:3, 1 Peter 2:24, 1 Peter 4:5, Revelation 1:5, Revelation 1:18, Revelation 14:9-20, 1 Corinthians 15:20,21, 2 Timothy 4:1, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Matthew 25:31-46, Romans 14:9, Matthew 22:32, Isaiah 26:19,

    Hebrews 11:35, Revelation 20, 2 Esdras 2:16, Hebrews 6:2, Hebrews 9:14, Hebrews 11:4, Hebrews 13:20, Revelation 11:18,

    Hopefully these are helpful.
  • THE BODY OF CHRIST - 2 years ago
    I wish everyone look through 20-40 pages of Past Room History and count how many comments were about: Sabbath, Water Baptism or dates of Jesus's birth or death;

    There are a lot of end time events happening today. They coincide with events in Daniel, some minor prophets, what Jesus, Peter, Paul, John the Beloved spoke of.

    Israel is barely 10 miles wide. Joggers can run it forward and back every day; if not for tunnels, drones, snipers, etc. Things the Jews dig up almost every day. Do we pray for their wonder and excitement to find that maybe Jesus is/was their Messiah? The Palestinians are searching for the Mahdi to be revealed? They hemorrhage on YouTube every day, which group is going to fight another group and then March on Israel.

    These are (wars and rumors of wars). We'd do well to keep an ear to the ground. Tracking earthquakes, disasters, financial shifting, are other SIGNS.

    We are admonished to watch and pray, be looking up; be ready (10 virgins) AND TO SPOT THE SIGN: the Temple Built, and a world leader sitting on the Throne of David.THE ABOMINATION of DESOLATION.

    Take Syria. Word says they will be totally destroyed to the ground. China and Russia may use the restored Silk Road for trade, ship oil or troops.

    There are so many other inspiring stories in the Bible. Like when Nehemiah rebuilt the walls. Those things parallel to Intercessory Prayer; watch towers; spiritual warfare. I always try to make sure I keep my eye on Jesus who is interceding for the Saints. Do we truly Love Him well?

    Feed My Sheep. John 21:14-22

    Jesus is asking all of us that same question.

    I say this with great humility and soberness: Jesus says, feed my sheep; carry my lambs in you arms of prayers. Lift up the fallen. The body of Christ is separated from the Head. Let's get connected. Anything we do for self__is FLESH.

    If I offended anyone, I'm not going to stroke any egos (including mine). Lift up Jesus.

    JOHN 12:32

    JOHN 3:14

    TTYL
  • D W L - 3 years ago
    Digjot

    John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 1 Corinthians 13:12, Revelation 10:4, 1 Timothy 6:4

    Sometimes we have to understand its not for us to know everything and understand all that is written.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Hello Carol. I don't believe that the Archangel Michael was the pre-incarnate Jesus nor the resurrected ascended Jesus. We read of Michael in Daniel chapter 10, as one who helped another who was contending with the "prince of the kingdom of Persia". And again in Jude 1:9 when contending with Satan.

    Michael is seen as the chief prince of the angelic hierarchy, but Jesus is never seen as such nor does that work. In Jude, Michael did not hold the same authority as Jesus to be able to rebuke Satan. But of Jesus, we read that He is the Word of God Who proceeded from God to become a man for the suffering of death - taking upon Him our punishment for our sins. That was Jesus' Work then & He is now seated at the Father's right Hand interceding on our behalf & will one day make an appearance into the World to defeat Satan & his followers & to reign bringing in righteous rule & blessing. Michael nor any other angelic being can ever fill those shoes, as important as they might be in carrying out the Will of God upon Earth.
  • Carol Nugent - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    My qeustion is ...Is Michael the Prince chief the ressurted Jesus Christ?
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Genesis 4:17 left without name

    Here is scripture & thought on the matter for deeper questions that are taught on this issue.

    Genesis 1:26-28, Genesis 2:7,8,15,16,18,21,22,23,24, notice in Genesis 1:27-28, says male & female & have dominion over & subdue over the sea, air, and living thing that moveth on the earth. Then HE put 'the man" in garden. Was this a certain man & his wife seperated in a special garden? Notice in Genesis 1:29 all fruit from every tree was good for meat. However in the Garden that HE planted Genesis Genesis 2:8-9, he put the man he had formed & breathed life into him & he became a living soul. Genesis 2:7,

    Genesis 4:15 presence of other people,

    Hebrews 13:8, John 1:1-5, Leviticus 18, establishes GOD's law, James 1:13-16,

    Luke 1:69, Psalms 89:24-27, Titus 2:11-12, Hebrews 5,

    Genesis 4:25,26, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, one lineage from Adam to Seth to Jesus recorded lineage of redemption Matthew, we are adopted heirs through Christ, Ephesians 1:5

    Many agree this lineage was significant to show fall of mankind & redemption

    John 21:25

    Hopefully this is helpful to your question.

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  • Warren - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Sacha,

    Would you believe I made a mistake? I did: Revelation 6:14 scroll comes before Revelation 6:12 earthquake. So sorry my kind friend of Jesus.
  • Adam - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    The leftist movement involves believing that evil isn't that bad, because they assume everyone who does bad was born under disadvantaged situations and thus you can't blame them for their evil. It forms their own version of morality. Instead of sympathizing with victims of evil, they sympathize with the one commiting it.

    But God's morality says that's evil, wrong, and that evildoers will be punished in hell. This is in the Bible, but some seem to gloss over this part and seem upset and offended that a good God would sent people to hell. Some don't like the idea of an authority over them and having rules and actually being subject to them.

    Jesus loving died for all of us, and some people want to desecrate and disrespect what Jesus did, by committing more evil. This is like slapping Jesus in the face and spitting on Him. Jesus said if you love Him then to obey His commandments. It seems some people would rather follow and sympathize with Hitler as a mass murderer than sympathize with all the families destroyed by him. People are rewarding criminals, even drug dealers who kill people, human traffickers, rapists, pedophiles, and allow them into countries, while imprisoning people who believe differently. That is evil. We even saw someone recently in the US run over a bunch of white people, but because he was black the media didn't cover it much and just called it a 'parade accident'.

    God is a loving and fair judge and all people will be accountable for their actions whether good or evil. No one know to what extent people will be punished. The Bible gives several verses, and its enough to know that it's a terrible place to be and someone would have to be incredibly stupid to turn their back on God and try to go there. Some interpret scripture that its just a death and some interpret that it's an eternal torture. But either way, people get what they deserve for turning their back on Jesus and pursuing evil. God already made it very easy to avoid it.
  • Warren - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    English Sacha,

    I wanted to tell you that I like your style of Christianity. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Accidentally like a martyr people will tell you what they believe, then sell it to you harder.

    You stay warm O' Isles of the sea. Ezekiel 26:18 the day America falls, and you're saved in darkness, begging the man of sin for your survival.

    Keep your eye on Iran Rev 6:12 and the little boy who cried wolf, Israel, for the past 40 years, saying Iran's six months away from a bomb. They'll get a brutish army with no mercy running them off the land in chains. While you're getting your's, Rev 6:14 kickstarts Israel's invasion as it is in fact the Day of the Lord. Russia has their own HARRP program to trigger an earthquake. Antichrist is going to tear this world up.
  • David - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Joan Thanks and God Bless It Is Written.
  • GiGi - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Chris,

    Thank you. We are not to judge God's perfect ways. He judges our ways.
  • Joan loliva - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    I agree with your prospective. Thank you.
  • David - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    MY view of this biblically God is all love but also a God of Justice and that requires a payment for actions against the laws he set up to work and protect creation and man. When man bucks against Gods laws or justice system God lifts his hand of love grace mercy peace and power and the individual sets himself up to the adversaries destructive influence.

    God cannot being just cannot override freedom of will because that would be against his own rules which would make him a hypocrite, let him be true. Now His and our arch enemy the adversary knows all this and uses this to his

    advantage to get people to blame God for things he does, remember true God life giving the devil author of destruction and death. The reason why so much stuff is occurring is because the farther man walks away from Gods word of life the more the god of this world gets to work his influence. For those of us who believe and stand on Gods Word In Christ we literally

    slow down or at times stop this destructive influence, except to those that absolutely appose God. In the end there will be the resurrection of the body of Christ then in revelation the resurrection of the just and unjust those judged by there works outside of the age of grace. I view it this way if someone wants to worship the adversary again what you sew is what you reap the end in eternity won't be good. This is my perspective, let God be true and the other guy the Father of lies.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    English Sacha. Is that what you have gleaned from what I addressed to Earl? You've made some assumptions that clearly are emotive rather than what I had written or is revealed in the Bible. We're discussing the fact of God's Judgement to all who are not saved through Jesus Christ.

    How God decides who are worthy of judgement (whether some primitive soul or those with mental shortcomings, etc), is God's matter, not mine nor yours. If you believe this God of Love is incapable of judging sinners in such a manner, then you would need to consider the operation of God throughout Scriptures - i.e. He is indeed a God of Love but also a God of Justice. We can often be conditioned by the world & what we perceive to be right, to think of such a justice system as normal, as true. Whereas God's Justice always demands the correct penalty - and unfortunately, simply losing one's life in death (which happens to us all) is just one part of that justice. The wages of sin might indeed be death, but the wages for the rejection of God & His offer of salvation are far greater ( Daniel 12:1,2; Matthew 18:7-9; Matthew 25:31-46; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 1:6,7; Revelation 14:9-11; Revelation 20:10-15). And sister GiGi has also given a very apt response to you.
  • GiGi - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Well stated Ronald.
  • GiGi again - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Hello, Sacha

    Those of us who are in heaven will not be enjoy viewing the wicked receiving the penalty for their unbelief in hell. We will not be allowed to view it. God separates hell from heaven in order to have heaven be perfect for us. God is perfectly just and is not unloving when he judges unbelievers to eternal punishment in hell. He is exercising His perfect judgment and wrath rightly. It is this very judgment and wrath that Christ's death and resurrection saves us from, not just death. If death is all that awaits the unbeliever, then Christ's death does not change was only a one way act, sparing believers from eternal death. Which is not what Jesus taught (i.e. Lazarus and the rich man).

    I believe that God will judge children, mentally impaired, and those who never heard the gospel in is perfect wisdom. I don't think we need to think for God.

    I once heard a story about someone who was brought the gospel to a remote area of the world. Upon hearing of Jesus, one person remarked, "So that is the name of who we worship." This reflects what is said in Romans 1. Man can know that God exists and seek Him. But in places where they have not heard of Jesus or have the Bible to learn more of God, most people create idols and devise wicked practices and false worship. But even among such people, there may be some who worship God from a true heart. God does not despise these. Nor does he despise children or those who cannot understand Him through their minds. He speaks to their souls. The Holy Spirit can regenerate anyone He chooses. But since Jesus' incarnation, the Spirit most often regenerates through the hearing of the gospel.

    I choose to let God be God, and myself be a lowly human. I do not question His judgments as either right or wrong.

    If he created hell and determined that it will be inhabited by the unbelieving humans, angels, and the devil, I trust that that is the right and just thing.
  • Rick - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Brother Earl We preach the Goodness of God and the Forgiveness of sin, we lovingly teach and implore not to sin or break fellowship, how can you teach heaven when your too occupied with thinking about hell. Just making a point,

    pointing finger at fault shows no one how to change. I have met very few leaders that teach how to walk by the spirit

    but have no problem telling someone how fast they can be sent to hell. So where's the leading in love that's what Jesus

    Christ did and the Apostle Paul 1 Corinthians 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod,or in Love and the spirit

    of meekness. Eph.4:15 speaking the truth in Love not fire and brimstone. Just sharing some heart.
  • David - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Earl P.S. We need to take a hint from our Brother in heaven he always taught and displayed the Love, Heart and healing power of His Father and He was very aware of His enemy but did not magnify or dwell on him or the world. So for us

    Phil.4:8+9 at the end the guarantee and the God of peace shall be with you.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Earl,

    Sorry, it took me a while to study your posts. Scripture is clear; the lake of fire is real and it was prepared for Satan and his angels, Matthew 25:41. Those whose name is not in the book of life will be cast into this lake of fire, the second death, this is the death the saints will be spared. According to scripture we all will be judged and our reward will be given, good or bad according to our works Revelation 22:12. Each of us will have different rewards, some lights will be brighter than others, Daniel 12:2-3 and whether in the lake of fire, the punishments may be also judged accordingly.

    My understanding is we do not get a second chance for salvation after this life in this flesh, Hebrews 9:27. We have this, there are evil and good people that live and have lived and those who did not have a chance to hear of the word of God, this may show how they will be judged at the white throne judgment, Romans 2:12-15 (this is my understanding of this), but those who have heard and rejected it, Katy bar the door.

    I must humbly disagree, I am not in the lake of fire, we will be judged with fire, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. The Bible has symbolic wording but represents real things, people, kingdoms, etc. I am sorry I can't follow interpreting the scriptures by allegorizing all, I feel we turn all scripture into parables.

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Brother Rick:

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially of those that believe.

    1 Timothy 4:11 These things COMMAND and TEACH.

    Does the doctrines of man believe Jesus is SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, NO.

    Does the doctrines of man TEACH Jesus is SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, NO.

    Amos 3:3 Can two walk together (BE ONE) except they be agreed?

    Matthew 5:25 AGREE with your adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him: lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

    2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all DECEIVABLENESS of unrighteousness in then that perish; because they RECEIVE NOT the TRUTH, that they might be saved.

    2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie.

    The lie, man's doctrine, that God is not a saviour of the world.

    Matthew 5:44 And I say unto you, Love you enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    Matthew 5:45 That you may be children of your Father which is in heaven; for he maketh the sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just an unjust.

    Do you believe God COMMANDS you to love your enemies, YET he is going to send his enemies to HELL.

    Man LOVES the doctrine of HELL because that gives them freedom to HATE their enemies.
  • David - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Earl What other people do is on them our Job spiritual occupation is Go,Stand,Speak to the people the words of this Life, also 2 Corinthians 5: 17-21 we reconcile men to God witnesses, we are ambassadors, we are the righteousness of

    God in Him. Our job is to love em up not ridicule condemn and criticise, the world does that. Remember there the lost bugs in the dark we are the light that attracts, so let your light so shine. We say that we are His and He is Ours deeds are

    proof of this and not words and these are the proving hours!
  • Rick - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Earl You didn't imply that was your statement that God showed you the Kingdom or whats really going on.
  • Rick - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Earl Man knew God Romans 1:18-22 they knew God and they changed not God, also The bible is the Knowledge of

    God it is just not believed. So don't understand your statement.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Brother Rick, I was not implying that God has only revealed the truth to me, but that it has to be God, through his word and his S pirit, that reveals the TRUTH, not following the tradition of man's teaching.

    Few find the way.

    Two thirds of the world don't read the bible, mostly those professing to be Christians are the ones that read the bible.

    Why then does only a few, that read the bible, find the way, this should concern us, what is it that we think we see, but don't.

    John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If you were blind, you should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

    John 9:39 And Jesus said, for JUDGEMENT I am come unto this world, that they which SEE NOT might SEE, and they WHICH SEE might be MADE BLIND.

    Satan who deceives the WHOLE WORLD, that includes the two thirds that profess to be Christians.

    What is it that man teaches. that deceives the whole world.

    You have to let the Spirit, through his word teach you, and it will be different than what man teaches.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Amen Sister Sacha, Hosea 4, man has no knowledge of God's way. One day they will be like Paul, in an instant of burning light, they will fall to their knees and say, what will you have me do LORD.


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