Traditions and holidays in Christianity have pagan influences that are with us today, and it is up to us individually what we do we do, we live, and we die unto the Lord. Your concern on the day Jesus was crucified, you are right, three days and three nights do not fit with Friday. What day of the week fits and are there scriptures that show what day it was?
We know Jesus rose on the first day of the week and it was before sunrise, Luke 24:1Mark 16:9John 20:1. The first day starts sundown on the Sabbath day the seventh day, so it was after the sun went down on the seventh day while it was still dark.
In John 12:1, he writes six days before Passover, Jesus in Bethany, and John 12:12-16 the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem. This would be 5 days before Passover and with Jesus fulfilling this feast it would be the tenth of Nisan when the lambs were taken up Exodus 12:1-6. We call this Palm Sunday. The Passover day is on the 14th which is a preparation day for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath day, Exodus 12:15-16.
So, if Sunday is the tenth, Mon. 11th, Tue 12th, Wed. 13th, Thur. 14th, Passover day, the day Jesus was crucified. Friday a Sabbath that John called a high day, John 19:31, Saturday a weekly Sabbath two Sabbaths back-to-back. If it was on a Friday, it's like you said, it does not fit, if it was any other day like Sun. Mon. Tue. Wed. the women could have gone to the tomb before the weekly Sabbath with the spices for Jesus' body.
If you would like I can give the scriptures that cover what Jesus did each day after he rode into Jerusalem, it matches as well.
Luke 8:2, Luke 8:1-4, the whole chapter is relevant actually to point out Jesus love for people deliverance, GOD's nature, Luke 8,
Mary Magdalene is mentioned: Mark 15:40-47, continues Mark 16:1-14, Matthew 27:55-56 (followed Jesus from Galilee), Matthew 27:59-61, Matthew 28:1-10, Luke 23:49-56 continues Luke 24:1-10,22-24, John 19:25,
Alex N. When Jesus breathed on them in John 20:21-23 At the end of 21 he says as the father sent me even so I send
you then he breathed om them and said receive ye pneuma hagion or holy ghost or spirit that was showing them how to
receive. Eleven of them didn't receive until pentecost because it wasn't available until he sat down at Gods right hand totally accomplishing what he was sent to do. I said eleven because judas never made it and mathias took his place or ministry.
Hello Peter Good Morning this is what we know John 20:19 He could Appear instantly. John 20:26+27 You could still touch Him. John 20:5-7 appears to have literally raised out of the clothe he was buried in. Also Acts 1:11 appears he could defy gravity. You tell me I just Know its what we have to look forward too.
My understanding is that Jesus rose from the grave in a physical body. He also ascended to heaven in a physical body. John's account of the resurrection shows that the tomb was opened and the linen cloth that was wrapped around Jesus' body was still there, but no body. If He rose in Spirit only, the body would still be there.
Also, in Matthew Chapter 28, Jesus makes a personal appearance after He rose from the grave. He had to have been in a physical body because Matthew 28:9 tells us that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary actually grabbed Him by the feet. And then we know from what Jesus says to Thomas in John 20:27 that He had to be in a physical body because Jesus told Thomas to touch him. You can't feel spirit.
But to answer your question about the nature in which He exists right now, whether it be flesh and blood, flesh and bones, or Spirit?
1 Corinthians 15:50 tells us that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. We see in Luke chapter 24 that they thought Jesus was a spirit. But Jesus says in Luke 24:39, "Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have." It is interesting that He doesn't say flesh and blood, but flesh and bones. Could the reason for Him saying that be because He shed all His blood at the cross?
Jesus ascended in bodily form. In Acts 1:11, these two in white apparel said "Ye men of Galilee." Notice that they were called Galileans. I don't know if you are aware of it or not but all of the disciples were Galileans except for Judas. He's the only one that was not a Galilean. He was from the city of Iscariot outside of Galilee. So he's telling them that this same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as you have seen Him go into heaven.
So if He was seen ascending into heaven in bodily form, and we are told that He will return in the same manner, I would have to believe that He is now at the right hand of the Father in a flesh/bones/glorified body!
1 Peter 3:15 says to always be ready to defend the faith.
2 Corinthians 10:5 and Titus 1:9 and Matthew 7:15 suggests that we are to challenge false teachings.
This should be done in love and respect for others. It appears that some want to be able to post their various opinions to challenge others, but don't seem unwilling and perhaps not secure enough to have their ideas challenged. They seem to want to dominate with their falsehoods, but act offended and retreat in the slightest questioning of their assumptions. Some interpret even the most benign questions as argumentative or unloving, which seems to protect their narrative.
For example some don't believe John 1:1 is true. It's a strange distortion of the Word that seems only recently to have gained traction among fringe groups. We know that anyone contradicting scripture is not speaking Words from God, and if it's not from God, it should be obvious who its coming from. But many are so convinced in their own mind that all scripture viewed through that narrow lens offers confirmation bias, even though the belief itself is self-contradictory.
A Christian is a Christ follower who believes Jesus is Lord. Jesus is God. Not a separate God, not Father God, but God the Son, and He's part of the truine God. It says this clearly in John 1:1 and many other scriptures. But just because people have a hard time comprehending how He can be a Son and have a Father who is also God and also be 'one', doesn't mean people should invent human reasoning that departs from the scriptures to explain their worldview. That's where people start making up stuff and disregarding lots of scripture. Then if they don't believe in Jesus's divinity, and don't believe Jesus is Lord, then one might ask, are they then a Christian?
John 20:28 - if someone reads this and says Jesus isn't God and isn't Lord, are they being honest with themselves?
The Pharisees also didn't believe Jesus was who He said He was. They thought He was blaspheming by calling Himself God through "I AM" statements, and they wanted to kill Him.
We should pray for wisdom and understanding and stay in God's Word. God bless.
I have also heard that He meant for her to not cling on to him, They both may be true,, I don't see neither view voiding one another. The reason and Emphasis seems to be on him first ascending to the Father
John 20:16-17. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
( Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: )
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Hi Fred What we do know scripturally is His body could disappear and reappear in the gospel of John 20:19-29 we know he could just appear and later on with Thomas he was able to be physically touched, also in mark 16:12 he appeared in another form, so this body had remarkable capabilities so to speak beyond sense knowledge. A few times they did not know who he was road to Emmaus, wouldn't you like to have heard that teaching!
You didn't cite one Bible verse supporting your feelings, I wonder why.
Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"...WORD WAS GOD."
Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.
This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.
But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7:21-27, John 3:16, Isaiah 53, John 20:29, John 5:19-20, John 5, Here are a few scriptures to help you better understand who GOD is.
Dear Chris M, It is hard to know exactly what you are referring to, without knowing to what you speak. Unless these fond memories of yours consist of sinful pleasure, or things contrary to scripture I see no need to "reject" them. It may be, that through God's providential leading, that these lead you to Him. The Bible speaks to the goodness of God that leadeth us to repentance. I would also remind you however, that Satan can present himself as an "angel of light." Some memories can cause you to stumble. I'll give you an example, lets say one of those fond memories was having a wonderful time with a relative on a fishing trip. No problem, if say you consider a fond memory as "out drinking someone" at the local pub, and being the record holder, then I'd say "get rid of it." Make new memories preaching repentance and point others to Christ at that pub! Paul covered this in Phil 4, some great "do's and what to think upon." So many times did the writers of the New testament say "remember." "Stir up our remembrance..." remember and follow my example, Paul said. Paul also said "forgetting those things behind, I press toward toward the mark...Some memories are not bad, but not best compared to service for our Lord. "I would encourage you do a word study on "remember." Ask God to lead you and he will. Then, as you grow in grace, you will know. Being a Christian is a journey.
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on John 20 - 3 years ago
Precious brother Chris m, you are Very Welcome! Please be Richly Encouraged as you take your time "Growing In GRACE." Yes, as one who is like you, "reading things 10 times to Get it," I can vouch that "studying HIS Word, and serving The LORD" is well worth the effort. And our 'Patient' God Does Also:
"Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of The LORD, forasmuch as ye know that 'your labour is not in vain' in The LORD." ( 1 Co 15:58)
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There will be "reward At Judgment Day!" ( 1 Corinthians 3:6-15; 1 Co 3:14)
Thanks so much for your comment. My family are not atheist but I didn't grow up in church. Due to my Aunt who's whole family is very religious (my dad's sister) constantly trying to get him to go to her church. So much that it drove him away from religion, so my mom didn't take my brothers and me to church at all. However, I feel like finding Jesus means so much more to me than my cousins who were dragged to church their whole lives, because I didn't have Jesus forced on me, I need and want Jesus in my life. It's a shame that it's taken 55 years to realize how wrong I was and how wrong my dad was also. I recently saw my Aunt and told her how wrong my dad was all those years. It made me feel better and I think it made her feel better to know I had finally found the narrow path to God. I feel like I can never ever repay Jesus for what he has done for me and I express that when I pray. Thanks again for your kind words, and I hope God blesses you every day of your life.
Thanks for taking the time to reach out to me. I will try reading your suggestions. I have read the 4 Gospels and am currently working my way through Acts (Which is not as easy to read for me as the Gospel's) I do not read fast and have to re-read sections alot to make sure I understand what they mean or look up definitions of words which sometimes gets me sidetracked, but I take my time because its worth the trouble. Thank you again, Bless you!
Yes, I believe Jesus was capable of committing sin as he was flesh & Satan took advantage of the weakness & susceptibility of it. But for Him to sin, would mean the receiving of a sin nature, become a failure as Adam became, & be rejected as the only acceptable Sacrifice for sins. We would never be able to attain salvation in any other way & only God could know what His Son's condition & position would be henceforth (I couldn't even begin to contemplate such a thought). But for His holiness, His resolve, & His great love for us, He thwarted Satan's attempts "on all points" of temptation pertaining to life.
To think of Jesus just as "the Divine Son of God & Name above all names without saying He is God", I believe is to seriously undermine the Nature of God in its completeness. Just because a kidney can be removed from me & transplanted to another, doesn't mean that stops being my kidney (just a weak analogy). Fortunately, I can survive on one kidney, but it will always remain my kidney that I gave to another because I was born with it & was given from my body. If Jesus (the Word) came out from God's Being, He always remains God, even as God's Spirit always remains God. What causes the confusion, is our incapability of understanding that 'three can be one' with any 'part' able to be wherever, doing whatever God prescribes for 'it'.
Thomas exclaimed to Jesus, "My Lord & my God" ( John 20:28); as well as Philippians 2:6; Colossians 2:9,10; John 10:30,33; Isaiah 7:14 cf Matthew 1:23 are some Scriptures that attest to Jesus' Divinity.
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on John 20 - 3 years ago
Precious brother Chris, a Very Warm Welcome to the family Of God!
If I may suggest Bible reading to get you Growing In GRACE, in addition to your "praying" = Ephesians, and then Romans - Philemon, Which Are God's GRACE/PEACE Love Letters Directly TO us Today, For: Consolation, Comfort, Edification, Enjoyment, Encouragement, And spiritual Building Up Of All The BLOOD-Washed "members ( saints!" ) In The Body Of CHRIST!, HIS Church, Seated In Heaven! Amen?
And after these, maybe this "study" suggestion, for further "Growth In GRACE":
Hi Chris M , you don't have to give up your memories . The events and people that you have experienced and known have helped to make you you ! I wasn't brought up with religion so most of my family and friends were atheist and I gave them and received from them , love and fun and good happy times , ' all things work together for good to them that love God ' . It's so true , so many people , atheist , have been kind to me and helped me through my life , I now know that all these kindnesses that I received I received from God . God has always been in your life , working through your experiences and the people around you to bring you to Him . Of course once you know the Truth your priorities and outlook on life change a bit for sure , but you are still you and it's you that God loves , has always loved , and He has used the correct ways and means and life experiences and people to bring you to Him . You are an individual and God knows you better than you do and He has brought you safely through your life and taught you a million different lessons on the way , using the people around you . When I was a child my parents taught me some horrible things , but these things helped me in latter life and for sure helped me to get on the path I'm on now , which is hopefully the path to the Kingdom of God . God is always at work , everywhere . Trust in Him and rejoice in the fact that He has brought you closer to Him in the perfect way that He knew how to .
Recently became compelled to come to christ at the age of 55, asked Jesus to save me some years ago but didn't take time to read and develop a true relationship with him. For some reason which I have no clue I've recently been taken over with the desire to read and follow everything i can get hold of about Jesus and have been praying several times a day. Although I know I have to walk away from the world and it's ways, I am saddened and struggling because I have a lot of good memories mixed in with all the 55 years of living in the world and need to know how I can turn my back on all the fond memories even though Jesus expects it. Please help this old Reborn Sinner , Thanks
Hello, not sure if I'm understanding your view correctly, but it sounds like maybe you don't believe Jesus is God. I do understand people's different viewpoints around this, because God the Father is just referred to as God in many cases. For example, Son of God in the wording suggests that He's not God, but the Son. However, that isn't the whole picture- as there's so much Bible verses showing His divinity and it would be hard for anyone to deny that Jesus himself was called God and scripture says He was God in John 1:1.
1. Isaiah 7:14 - People called Jesus Immanuel which means "God with us"
2. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
3. John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."
4. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"Word WAS God."
5. Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
"form of God"
"equal with God"
6. John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jesus made everything.
7. John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
8. John 20:28
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
9. 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
10. Genesis 1:26 - "And God said, Let us make man in our image"
"Let us make" - plural.
What I gather from this is they are different but the same. We will probably never 100% comprehend this until after this life. The Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son, but it says they made everything together, are in each other, have similar form, they both have great power to do miracles, and both are referred to as God in the Bible.
In response to Naomi Thompson/Chris with regards to missing books of the Bible. I agree with Chris' response to the possible missing books that are referred to. I would also like to add John 20:30, 31. There were many other things that were written, but what God gave us is sufficient for anyone to believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life through His Name. May the Lord bless our hearts in Christ name.
Thank you for helping to bring up questions others may have in their hearts.
May the Lord continue to shine His face on the Brethren and that we are blessed and a blessing unto others. October 5, 2021
Hi Louis. I believe that it was John who is referred to in John 19:26,27. Why I think this, is because in other places (e.g. John 13:23; John 20:2; John 21:20) John resorts to this expression "the disciple whom He loved" & speaking in such a manner was common when the focus was taken off oneself. We can also think of 2 Corinthians 12:1-7 as an example, where clearly the Apostle Paul is speaking of His experience of Heaven though not naming himself as the one.
Then in John 21:20-24, Peter questions Jesus about "what shall this man (?) do?" And then the brethren believed "that that disciple (?) should not die". Again, who is that disciple? John then says in verse 24, "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true." Or, 'I am that disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things...". Therefore, we can say with all certainty that the disciple whom Jesus loved was indeed John, the Apostle who referred to himself as such.
crucifixion is a horrific way to be tortured to death...they nail you in a ' T ' POSITION... and stand you up, when the accused cant hold himself, up he sag's down and his arms are above his head.. this becomes the torture because the Ribs rub against the lungs building up fluid an slowly drowning the accused...and from the fear they can come down they break-the legs to hurry up the process causing the accused not to be able to rise up to catch a breath......
Why the Romans broke legs of Crucifixion victims - In Reply on John 20:22 - 3 years ago
John 19:33
But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
John 19:32
Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
>>When the Romans finally wanted their crucified victims to die, they broke the prisoner's legs so they could no longer push themselves up and all the body weight would be hanging by the arms.
Crucifixion may be defined as a method of execution by which a person is hanged, usually by their arms, from a cross or similar structure until dead. ... The postulated causes of death include cardiovascular, respiratory, metabolic, and psychological pathology.
The Crucifixion of Jesus guaranteed a horrific, slow, painful death. As the strength of the muscles of Jesus' lower limbs tired, the weight of His body had to be transferred to His wrists, His arms, and His shoulders. Within a few minutes of being placed on the Cross, Jesus' shoulders were dislocated.
Hello Jane. The legs of crucified criminals were often broken so as to speed up death. As you know, nails that were pierced into the feet plus a possible peg under the feet, helped to prop the body up. If this wasn't the case then the criminal wouldn't be able to breathe for very long - his lungs wouldn't expand. So their legs were broken which meant their lungs couldn't do their job.
However when the soldiers came to Jesus, they found that He had already died (Jesus consciously released His Spirit), so His legs were not broken. And this was in fulfilment of the Scripture, Psalm 34:20.
If I may without offending, we have four, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John describing this confusing and miraculous day and I feel ( Matthew 28:9) is later in the morning. In Matthew, Mark, and Luke the angels told the women to go tell the 11 that Jesus had risen. In John 20 Mary Magdalene was the first to see the empty tomb and ran and run into Peter and John and they went and she probably went back with them as the other women were arriving, Peter and John went home.
To keep it short; when Jesus met the women, ( Matthew 28:9) they were on their way to tell the 11 when Jesus appeared to them and they held him by his feet. It does not tell us how far they had gone from the sepulchre. You may disagree but that is ok, Matthew 28:9 was after Jesus ascended and returned.
My understanding is when Jesus first ascended in John 20:17, His name was placed above all, what we see in ( Ephesians 1:17-23). Also, I feel this was the fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits, as the smoke of the sheaf of the Firstfruits ascended to God, so the Firstfruits of the dead, who is Jesus ascended to God, I feel that was the reason Jesus did not want Mary to touch Him.
This is one of those instances where the Greek text gives us clarification on what the English text is saying. When Jesus said "Touch me not," we read that, and it seems like sort of a rude thing to say. It would be like going up to someone we love to hug them, and they say "Don't touch me."
But as brother Chris alluded to, the Greek word used for touch is the word HAPTO. It means to hold on to, cling to, or fasten yourself on to someone. So knowing that, we can better understand what Jesus meant. He was telling Mary to stop fastening yourself onto me. You see, she was not letting go. She was fastened on to Jesus.
In Matthew 28:9, it tells us that she had a "death grip" on His ankles. She was not going to let Him out of her sight again. So Jesus wasn't telling her "don't touch me." He was saying let go, stop clinging to me. There was a reason for this as we see in John 20:17. Jesus says for I am not yet ascended to my Father.
This is where the changeover comes in. This is where Jesus has revealed Himself as the resurrected one to Mary and she's got this grip on Him like she's never going to let go of Him, and Jesus is telling her that she has to let go because He has not yet gone to the Father.
So the changeover is that this is no longer going to be a physical relationship where have to you see me, hear me, and touch me to believe. Now it's going to be by faith. Paul ministered that change in 1 Corinthians 5:7 where he says "For we walk by faith, not by sight." The changeover is going from the natural feelings and human senses, to faith, believing and trusting in Christ and His word in spite what we see or feel.
Jesus wasn't saying "Don't touch me." He was ministering to her about the change that has to take place, which people have to live by faith, not by sight. Don't fasten yourself onto me, for I have to ascend up to the Father. After I ascend, then will I send my Spirit to dwell in you, and my Spirit will cause you to live by faith.
Other than resurrection day, the first day of the week, this was the day of The Feast of Firstfruits. This feast is one of the three feasts that were held in Jerusalem, which is the first day after the Sabbath following Passover. Also, it was the first day of weeks counting the days of seven Sabbaths until the 50th day, which is the second harvest, Pentecost.
The Feast of First Fruits is the first harvest, they could not eat any of this harvest until they brought a sample sheaf to the Temple at sunrise on the first day after the Sabbath following Passover. The priest then waves the sheaf of grain from the first harvest for acceptance by God, the first fruits of the first harvest were offered to God.
Jesus is the First Fruits of those who slept, Mary Magdalene could not touch Jesus before he ascended because no one could partake of him before God accepted him. After he returned, they could touch Him, that is why Jesus told her "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father".
Just think, sunrise on the morning of the Feast of First Fruits, the priests waving the sheaf of grain left and right before the altar, and the women arriving at the Lord's tomb around the same time. ( Leviticus 23:9-14) ( John 20:17)
Jesus fulfilled the feast of Passover as the Lamb of God, without spot or blemish, without a bone broken, He fulfilled the Feast of Unleavened Bread with a perfect sinless life, He fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits being the first harvest the First Fruits of those who slept, and He fulfilled the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), the second harvest by sending the Holy Spirit, the first fruits of the Spirit. There are three feasts not yet fulfilled.
Luke.22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
John.5:30-32 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
John 6:38-40 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John.14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
1Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 15:25-28 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
May this help, pray and study and let the Holy Spirit be your guide.
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on Galatians 2:7 - In Reply - 3 years ago
Precious friend, IMKane: "Paul seems to be saying there were TWO gospels." Yes, Biblically Correct! Note the following 'Dispensational' Differences Between God's TWO Gospels:
Part I Gospel of the kingdom =
Gospel of the circumcision ( Galatians 2:7; Acts 3:25-26; Genesis 17:9-14)
Preached by John, Jesus, and the 12 ( Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35; Matthew 10:5-8)
The Prophecy Program for the Jews ( Luke 1:32-33; Luke 3:19-26; Daniel 2:44; James 1:1)
Preaching of The Cross as historical ( Acts 2:23,36; Acts 3:14-15; Acts 5:30)
Gospel to be believed = Christ's Name ( Matthew 16:16; John 20:31; 1 John 5:13)
Salvation by faith and water baptism ( Mark 1-4; Mark 16:16; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 2:38)
Justification without works is dead ( James 2:17; James 2:20; James 2:24; James 2:26)
Repentance emphasized along with faith ( Mark 1:15; Luke 3:8-14; Acts 3:19)
Reconciliation not mentioned.
Covers Matthew - Acts 8, then Tribulation ( Acts 3:19-21; Acts 8:12; Matthew 24:14)
Under The Law ( Matthew 5:17; Matthew 8:4; Matthew 23:2-3)
Good works will follow salvation ( Matthew 7:15-20; 1 John 2:3-5; 1 John 2:29; 1 John 3:7,10)
Rightly Divided From ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":
Traditions and holidays in Christianity have pagan influences that are with us today, and it is up to us individually what we do we do, we live, and we die unto the Lord. Your concern on the day Jesus was crucified, you are right, three days and three nights do not fit with Friday. What day of the week fits and are there scriptures that show what day it was?
We know Jesus rose on the first day of the week and it was before sunrise, Luke 24:1 Mark 16:9 John 20:1. The first day starts sundown on the Sabbath day the seventh day, so it was after the sun went down on the seventh day while it was still dark.
In John 12:1, he writes six days before Passover, Jesus in Bethany, and John 12:12-16 the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem. This would be 5 days before Passover and with Jesus fulfilling this feast it would be the tenth of Nisan when the lambs were taken up Exodus 12:1-6. We call this Palm Sunday. The Passover day is on the 14th which is a preparation day for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath day, Exodus 12:15-16.
So, if Sunday is the tenth, Mon. 11th, Tue 12th, Wed. 13th, Thur. 14th, Passover day, the day Jesus was crucified. Friday a Sabbath that John called a high day, John 19:31, Saturday a weekly Sabbath two Sabbaths back-to-back. If it was on a Friday, it's like you said, it does not fit, if it was any other day like Sun. Mon. Tue. Wed. the women could have gone to the tomb before the weekly Sabbath with the spices for Jesus' body.
If you would like I can give the scriptures that cover what Jesus did each day after he rode into Jerusalem, it matches as well.
Hope this helps.
God bless,
RLW
Mary Magdalene is mentioned: Mark 15:40-47, continues Mark 16:1-14, Matthew 27:55-56 (followed Jesus from Galilee), Matthew 27:59-61, Matthew 28:1-10, Luke 23:49-56 continues Luke 24:1-10,22-24, John 19:25,
Luke 10:38-42, John 20:1-18,
* John 11:1-8, John 11:1-45
* John 12:1-3,
Luke 7:36-50- Luke 8:1-3, same account?
John 12,
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you then he breathed om them and said receive ye pneuma hagion or holy ghost or spirit that was showing them how to
receive. Eleven of them didn't receive until pentecost because it wasn't available until he sat down at Gods right hand totally accomplishing what he was sent to do. I said eleven because judas never made it and mathias took his place or ministry.
My understanding is that Jesus rose from the grave in a physical body. He also ascended to heaven in a physical body. John's account of the resurrection shows that the tomb was opened and the linen cloth that was wrapped around Jesus' body was still there, but no body. If He rose in Spirit only, the body would still be there.
Also, in Matthew Chapter 28, Jesus makes a personal appearance after He rose from the grave. He had to have been in a physical body because Matthew 28:9 tells us that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary actually grabbed Him by the feet. And then we know from what Jesus says to Thomas in John 20:27 that He had to be in a physical body because Jesus told Thomas to touch him. You can't feel spirit.
But to answer your question about the nature in which He exists right now, whether it be flesh and blood, flesh and bones, or Spirit?
1 Corinthians 15:50 tells us that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. We see in Luke chapter 24 that they thought Jesus was a spirit. But Jesus says in Luke 24:39, "Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have." It is interesting that He doesn't say flesh and blood, but flesh and bones. Could the reason for Him saying that be because He shed all His blood at the cross?
Jesus ascended in bodily form. In Acts 1:11, these two in white apparel said "Ye men of Galilee." Notice that they were called Galileans. I don't know if you are aware of it or not but all of the disciples were Galileans except for Judas. He's the only one that was not a Galilean. He was from the city of Iscariot outside of Galilee. So he's telling them that this same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as you have seen Him go into heaven.
So if He was seen ascending into heaven in bodily form, and we are told that He will return in the same manner, I would have to believe that He is now at the right hand of the Father in a flesh/bones/glorified body!
2 Corinthians 10:5 and Titus 1:9 and Matthew 7:15 suggests that we are to challenge false teachings.
This should be done in love and respect for others. It appears that some want to be able to post their various opinions to challenge others, but don't seem unwilling and perhaps not secure enough to have their ideas challenged. They seem to want to dominate with their falsehoods, but act offended and retreat in the slightest questioning of their assumptions. Some interpret even the most benign questions as argumentative or unloving, which seems to protect their narrative.
For example some don't believe John 1:1 is true. It's a strange distortion of the Word that seems only recently to have gained traction among fringe groups. We know that anyone contradicting scripture is not speaking Words from God, and if it's not from God, it should be obvious who its coming from. But many are so convinced in their own mind that all scripture viewed through that narrow lens offers confirmation bias, even though the belief itself is self-contradictory.
A Christian is a Christ follower who believes Jesus is Lord. Jesus is God. Not a separate God, not Father God, but God the Son, and He's part of the truine God. It says this clearly in John 1:1 and many other scriptures. But just because people have a hard time comprehending how He can be a Son and have a Father who is also God and also be 'one', doesn't mean people should invent human reasoning that departs from the scriptures to explain their worldview. That's where people start making up stuff and disregarding lots of scripture. Then if they don't believe in Jesus's divinity, and don't believe Jesus is Lord, then one might ask, are they then a Christian?
John 20:28 - if someone reads this and says Jesus isn't God and isn't Lord, are they being honest with themselves?
The Pharisees also didn't believe Jesus was who He said He was. They thought He was blaspheming by calling Himself God through "I AM" statements, and they wanted to kill Him.
We should pray for wisdom and understanding and stay in God's Word. God bless.
I also hold the view that Mishael holds.
I have also heard that He meant for her to not cling on to him, They both may be true,, I don't see neither view voiding one another. The reason and Emphasis seems to be on him first ascending to the Father
John 20:16-17. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
( Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: )
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"...WORD WAS GOD."
Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.
This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.
But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
"Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of The LORD, forasmuch as ye know that 'your labour is not in vain' in The LORD." ( 1 Co 15:58)
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There will be "reward At Judgment Day!" ( 1 Corinthians 3:6-15; 1 Co 3:14)
Yes, I believe Jesus was capable of committing sin as he was flesh & Satan took advantage of the weakness & susceptibility of it. But for Him to sin, would mean the receiving of a sin nature, become a failure as Adam became, & be rejected as the only acceptable Sacrifice for sins. We would never be able to attain salvation in any other way & only God could know what His Son's condition & position would be henceforth (I couldn't even begin to contemplate such a thought). But for His holiness, His resolve, & His great love for us, He thwarted Satan's attempts "on all points" of temptation pertaining to life.
To think of Jesus just as "the Divine Son of God & Name above all names without saying He is God", I believe is to seriously undermine the Nature of God in its completeness. Just because a kidney can be removed from me & transplanted to another, doesn't mean that stops being my kidney (just a weak analogy). Fortunately, I can survive on one kidney, but it will always remain my kidney that I gave to another because I was born with it & was given from my body. If Jesus (the Word) came out from God's Being, He always remains God, even as God's Spirit always remains God. What causes the confusion, is our incapability of understanding that 'three can be one' with any 'part' able to be wherever, doing whatever God prescribes for 'it'.
Thomas exclaimed to Jesus, "My Lord & my God" ( John 20:28); as well as Philippians 2:6; Colossians 2:9,10; John 10:30,33; Isaiah 7:14 cf Matthew 1:23 are some Scriptures that attest to Jesus' Divinity.
If I may suggest Bible reading to get you Growing In GRACE, in addition to your "praying" = Ephesians, and then Romans - Philemon, Which Are God's GRACE/PEACE Love Letters Directly TO us Today, For: Consolation, Comfort, Edification, Enjoyment, Encouragement, And spiritual Building Up Of All The BLOOD-Washed "members ( saints!" ) In The Body Of CHRIST!, HIS Church, Seated In Heaven! Amen?
And after these, maybe this "study" suggestion, for further "Growth In GRACE":
Link
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
And, Again, a Very WARM Welcome!! See you in God's Great GloryLand!!! :)
1. Isaiah 7:14 - People called Jesus Immanuel which means "God with us"
2. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
3. John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."
4. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"Word WAS God."
5. Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
"form of God"
"equal with God"
6. John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jesus made everything.
7. John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
8. John 20:28
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
9. 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
10. Genesis 1:26 - "And God said, Let us make man in our image"
"Let us make" - plural.
What I gather from this is they are different but the same. We will probably never 100% comprehend this until after this life. The Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son, but it says they made everything together, are in each other, have similar form, they both have great power to do miracles, and both are referred to as God in the Bible.
Thank you for helping to bring up questions others may have in their hearts.
May the Lord continue to shine His face on the Brethren and that we are blessed and a blessing unto others. October 5, 2021
Then in John 21:20-24, Peter questions Jesus about "what shall this man (?) do?" And then the brethren believed "that that disciple (?) should not die". Again, who is that disciple? John then says in verse 24, "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true." Or, 'I am that disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things...". Therefore, we can say with all certainty that the disciple whom Jesus loved was indeed John, the Apostle who referred to himself as such.
But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
John 19:32
Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
>>When the Romans finally wanted their crucified victims to die, they broke the prisoner's legs so they could no longer push themselves up and all the body weight would be hanging by the arms.
Crucifixion may be defined as a method of execution by which a person is hanged, usually by their arms, from a cross or similar structure until dead. ... The postulated causes of death include cardiovascular, respiratory, metabolic, and psychological pathology.
The Crucifixion of Jesus guaranteed a horrific, slow, painful death. As the strength of the muscles of Jesus' lower limbs tired, the weight of His body had to be transferred to His wrists, His arms, and His shoulders. Within a few minutes of being placed on the Cross, Jesus' shoulders were dislocated.
However when the soldiers came to Jesus, they found that He had already died (Jesus consciously released His Spirit), so His legs were not broken. And this was in fulfilment of the Scripture, Psalm 34:20.
If I may without offending, we have four, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John describing this confusing and miraculous day and I feel ( Matthew 28:9) is later in the morning. In Matthew, Mark, and Luke the angels told the women to go tell the 11 that Jesus had risen. In John 20 Mary Magdalene was the first to see the empty tomb and ran and run into Peter and John and they went and she probably went back with them as the other women were arriving, Peter and John went home.
To keep it short; when Jesus met the women, ( Matthew 28:9) they were on their way to tell the 11 when Jesus appeared to them and they held him by his feet. It does not tell us how far they had gone from the sepulchre. You may disagree but that is ok, Matthew 28:9 was after Jesus ascended and returned.
My understanding is when Jesus first ascended in John 20:17, His name was placed above all, what we see in ( Ephesians 1:17-23). Also, I feel this was the fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits, as the smoke of the sheaf of the Firstfruits ascended to God, so the Firstfruits of the dead, who is Jesus ascended to God, I feel that was the reason Jesus did not want Mary to touch Him.
Have a great day and God bless,
RLW
This is one of those instances where the Greek text gives us clarification on what the English text is saying. When Jesus said "Touch me not," we read that, and it seems like sort of a rude thing to say. It would be like going up to someone we love to hug them, and they say "Don't touch me."
But as brother Chris alluded to, the Greek word used for touch is the word HAPTO. It means to hold on to, cling to, or fasten yourself on to someone. So knowing that, we can better understand what Jesus meant. He was telling Mary to stop fastening yourself onto me. You see, she was not letting go. She was fastened on to Jesus.
In Matthew 28:9, it tells us that she had a "death grip" on His ankles. She was not going to let Him out of her sight again. So Jesus wasn't telling her "don't touch me." He was saying let go, stop clinging to me. There was a reason for this as we see in John 20:17. Jesus says for I am not yet ascended to my Father.
This is where the changeover comes in. This is where Jesus has revealed Himself as the resurrected one to Mary and she's got this grip on Him like she's never going to let go of Him, and Jesus is telling her that she has to let go because He has not yet gone to the Father.
So the changeover is that this is no longer going to be a physical relationship where have to you see me, hear me, and touch me to believe. Now it's going to be by faith. Paul ministered that change in 1 Corinthians 5:7 where he says "For we walk by faith, not by sight." The changeover is going from the natural feelings and human senses, to faith, believing and trusting in Christ and His word in spite what we see or feel.
Jesus wasn't saying "Don't touch me." He was ministering to her about the change that has to take place, which people have to live by faith, not by sight. Don't fasten yourself onto me, for I have to ascend up to the Father. After I ascend, then will I send my Spirit to dwell in you, and my Spirit will cause you to live by faith.
Other than resurrection day, the first day of the week, this was the day of The Feast of Firstfruits. This feast is one of the three feasts that were held in Jerusalem, which is the first day after the Sabbath following Passover. Also, it was the first day of weeks counting the days of seven Sabbaths until the 50th day, which is the second harvest, Pentecost.
The Feast of First Fruits is the first harvest, they could not eat any of this harvest until they brought a sample sheaf to the Temple at sunrise on the first day after the Sabbath following Passover. The priest then waves the sheaf of grain from the first harvest for acceptance by God, the first fruits of the first harvest were offered to God.
Jesus is the First Fruits of those who slept, Mary Magdalene could not touch Jesus before he ascended because no one could partake of him before God accepted him. After he returned, they could touch Him, that is why Jesus told her "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father".
Just think, sunrise on the morning of the Feast of First Fruits, the priests waving the sheaf of grain left and right before the altar, and the women arriving at the Lord's tomb around the same time. ( Leviticus 23:9-14) ( John 20:17)
Jesus fulfilled the feast of Passover as the Lamb of God, without spot or blemish, without a bone broken, He fulfilled the Feast of Unleavened Bread with a perfect sinless life, He fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits being the first harvest the First Fruits of those who slept, and He fulfilled the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), the second harvest by sending the Holy Spirit, the first fruits of the Spirit. There are three feasts not yet fulfilled.
God bless,
RLW
Luke.22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
John.5:30-32 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
John 6:38-40 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John.14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
1Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 15:25-28 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
May this help, pray and study and let the Holy Spirit be your guide.
RLW
Part I Gospel of the kingdom =
Gospel of the circumcision ( Galatians 2:7; Acts 3:25-26; Genesis 17:9-14)
Preached by John, Jesus, and the 12 ( Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35; Matthew 10:5-8)
The Prophecy Program for the Jews ( Luke 1:32-33; Luke 3:19-26; Daniel 2:44; James 1:1)
Preaching of The Cross as historical ( Acts 2:23,36; Acts 3:14-15; Acts 5:30)
Gospel to be believed = Christ's Name ( Matthew 16:16; John 20:31; 1 John 5:13)
Salvation by faith and water baptism ( Mark 1-4; Mark 16:16; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 2:38)
Justification without works is dead ( James 2:17; James 2:20; James 2:24; James 2:26)
Repentance emphasized along with faith ( Mark 1:15; Luke 3:8-14; Acts 3:19)
Reconciliation not mentioned.
Covers Matthew - Acts 8, then Tribulation ( Acts 3:19-21; Acts 8:12; Matthew 24:14)
Under The Law ( Matthew 5:17; Matthew 8:4; Matthew 23:2-3)
Good works will follow salvation ( Matthew 7:15-20; 1 John 2:3-5; 1 John 2:29; 1 John 3:7,10)
Rightly Divided From ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":
Gospel Of GRACE
to be continued...