This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.
God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:101 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.
All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3Eph. 1:17Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.
In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.
Rom. 1:7-81 Cor. 1:3-41 John 1:32 John 1:32 Cor. 1:2-3Gal. 1:3-4Eph. 1:2-3Phil. 1:2Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4Philemon 1:32 Pet. 1:2.
You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.
Back to the discussion we were having. My thoughts about that and what I have been tought are:
In Matthew 16:19 and John 20:21-23, Jesus gives the apostles the right to forgive sins. So what does that mean? That they can take God's right to forgive or not? Well this doesn't sound right, does it?
I will go to that incident in Corinth whre a brother was having an affair with his father's wife. Paul suggests the members of that church to ( 1 Cor 5:4-5) " 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
A similar case is described in Matthew 18:15-18. It is the case that a brother sins to another brother and dispite the church telling him to repent he wouldn't repent, so Jesus said "17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
The above are cases that the church has the right to bind and free, forgive or not. The right of the church to exlude somebody from the congregation and deliver him to satan.
But a question may arise. What if the church is wrong and the specific brother is right. We know from history that many churches took advantage of those verses and exluded believers for all sort of reasons, even political reasons. I firmly believe that in such cases God doesn't pay any attention to such decisions, actualy He is the one who forgives or not.
But I would also like others to comment on those verse and see what they believe.
Here's the scripture we have in question and how it reads.
John 20:21-23.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Here we have another one of those passages that has caused a lot of confusion.
I will share my thoughts on these verses.
Previously I stated we don't have "The right " to forgive or retain the sins of people!
I believe as ambassadors for Christ We have the Gospel to present to the lost sinner. If you win a soul by way of the Gospel, you have loosed on earth that is ALREADY loosed in Heaven.
Only Christ can forgive sins.
I would like to attempt to give more clarity on this.
One of the few translations that reflect key Greek nuances reads as follows
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained" The word forgiven is in the perfect tense. NASB.
In verse 22 Jesus breathed on them and said receive the Holyspirit and he sent them out. (After Pentecost)
By this power that they didn't have before, the apostles would be able to make "SPIRIT-LED SENTENCING" AFTER PRESENTING THE GOSPEL.
They would be led or inspired to either pardon or bound according to what has ALREADY been pardoned or bound by God.
I believe we are able to sound the horn of salvation we are not able to make the decision for salvation.
Before I turn in, here's one I meant to ask you about.
You gave your interpretation on John 20:21-23. and paralleled it with Matthew 16:19.
Here's how it went.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.,
You interpreted this passage of scripture as the following;
( We, the church, have the right to forgive or retain the sins of people, only that it has to be done according to God's will.)
Giannis we don't have "The right " to forgive or retain the sins of people!
I believe as ambassadors for Christ We have the Gospel to present to the lost sinner. If you win a soul by way of the Gospel, you have loosed on earth that is already loosed in Heaven.
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I (Paul) forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
Doesn't the above remind us of the discussion Peter had with Jesus:
Matthew 16:19,
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Also when Jesus appeared to his disciples after His resurrection?
John 20:21-23,
"21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
We, the chuech, have the right to forgive or retain the sins of people, only that it has to be done according to God's will.
"She took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
Contextual truth is from Satan since it does not give truth its total sovereignty to the word as He intended. When He sent his Son he defined what he was. "I am the Way, the truth and the life" Instead believing it it opens way for extraneous matters judge truth. We have a couple of examples: Eve saw the fruit of the tree from the POV of Satan and let her senses settle the matter. Compare with Thomas who would not believe unless he saw the nail marks by his own eyes. What did Jesus Christ say," blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."( John 20:29). Adam in his turn let his love for Eve forget himself. He should have asked himself, "What has God said about eating of the fruit?" He simply ate what she gave to him.
Man thus became a servant to sin. Instead of the Law of Spirit he would be judged under the law of sin.
God had made his Will clear to Adam. What the serpent made of 'In the day' and saying thou shalt not die was at odds with the soul and it made the man accountable to God. God allowed to eat of all other fruits freely including from the tree of life. God's commandment, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die," would have grave consequences upon the soul of man.
In the same vein the nascent church was given an underhand swipe when Constantine I adopted Christianity as the state religion. It eased the state policy of persecution. Outwardly it spared the body of the Church. Since then are we not assailed by heresies without let?
I also believe the nails were through His hands. John 20:27 seems to indicate hands.
I have also heard some say the nails were through His wrists. The reason they say this is because of the bone structure. They say that the way the wrist bones form right below the hand, that is the only way a nail would support the weight of the body.
My thoughts are that they probably tied Him down first before they drove the nails in, but that is just speculation on my part.
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
About difference between soul and spirit, I also would like to highlight or point out the difference between HUMAN creation and other kind of animals. Genesis 1:24&26:
24 GOD said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind(may the Earth produce, or produce the Earth), cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. But about man,(v.26) GOD said, Let us MAKE MAN in our image, after our likeness: ...
If GOD had not breathed on man, this would be an animal like other animals in which GOD did not breathe the breath of life, in fact, that is why they do not speak a single word, even a letter, by nature.
I am a fruit of the multiplication that GOD ordered around 6000 years ago. I was born in the last century, but the order of my birth was given by my GOD millennia ago. I was born under His everlating Word of course. Job 33:4 -The Spirit of GOD hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Having said that, I would like to highlight and emphasize that when GOD breathed the breath of life into man, He actually gave man the ability to speak with his mouth, and thus dominate the earthly environment. John 3:31-He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth. So, he that is of above is above all.
John 20:22 - when JESUS had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit:
Isaiah 2:22 - Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?
Psalm 19:14 - Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
Power principle of God is complemented by Wisdom principle, which can be explained in the Father Son relationship in many ways. In terms of the Word and expression, its glory in expression gives a sign language, which is expressed by the Spirit as a narrative mode. For example God gives charge to young Jeremiah which is a token, "Then the LORD reached out his hand and touched my mouth and said to me, 'I have put my words in your mouth' "(Je.1:9). Similarly He gives Ezekiel a roll that empowers him for the purpose. "And he said to me, "Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel.(Ez.3:1)" Jeremiah was young but it was His Power and His wisdom doing the tasks, "Thou therefore gird up thy loins, and arise, and speak unto them all that I command thee: be not dismayed at their faces, lest I confound thee before them".(Je.1:17)
When Jesus would cure the deaf and mute he looks up thereby fixing his faith which came from his Father, "And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened..(Mark.7:34)
Gestures like looking up or breathing on the disciples present ( John 20:22) for the above reason are not mere gestures but the Son expressing appropriate emotional significance as True and Faithful witness. He witnessed Truth before men and angels.
Spirit of humility marked his gestures. Apart from heaven being above he lifted his eyes up acknowledging by such a single gesture his lowliness. Blessings come from the greater on the lesser applied equally to him. When people would want to make him their king he slipped away from their hold.
He conducted himself as a witness before the Word though was the Word become flesh. In all these neither his gesture nor conduct would lift him in a spirit of pride. He could boldly say, the prince of this world comes and he has no hold over me. ( John 14:30)
In John 20:17, the word translated "touch" is a Greek word which means "to cling to, to lay hold of.
She wanted to worship him and never loose him again.
But there was still work to be done in cleansing our temple by presenting himself in our behalf.
Then in the same verse Jesus says why he told Mary not to touch him.
"FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER.
I believe Jesus was in his role as the High priest as this point.
He was to present himself as the sacrifice.
Hebrews 9:25-26. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 10:12-22. But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
And having an high priest over the house of God;
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Just something to consider or as you say so well meditate, thank you, brother.
John 20:17, just think sunrise on the morning of the Feast of First Fruits, Leviticus 23:9-14, a shadow of what was being fulfilled when Jesus rose from the dead. The priests were waving the sheaf of grain left and right before the altar, and the women were arriving at the Lord's tomb around the same time. They could not eat or partake of the first harvest until it was waved and accepted by God, Jesus had to present Himself to God, He is the First Fruits of those of the dead, the first harvest.
Is this why Mary could not touch Him? We see later after He presented Himself and was accepted by God, after He returned then they could touch Him, Matthew 28:9. He was raised in His glorified body the same as we will be raised in our glorified body, 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. Eternal life is the gift and hope we have through Jesus Christ our Lord in Jesus.
Good afternoon all! I began thinking of this verse in my commute back to home today:
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." John 20:17 KJV
Jesus resurrected from the tomb in the same body he completed the finished work in. Mary was not to touch and His message was that he would ascend to the Father his God and the brethren's God.
A born again Christian also resurrects from the grave in the body they died in. Until, we like Jesus ascend to the Father we must remain separate from sin. Jesus did exactly this as an example for us.
I'm with you, I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God given to us. A reason we differ, preconceived ideas are obstacles to the truth. We all grow up in cultures where we inherit certain biased beliefs, values, and attitudes from our parents, teachers, religious affiliation, peer groups, and friends. When we study the Bible unless we can clear these obstacles, and beliefs when we read our sub-conscience mind will block the true meaning with the ones we have stored in our mind.
We must empty our minds as we know nothing, take out the garbage, pray, and let the Spirit of Truth show us the true meaning of what we are studying. We must keep in mind we get milk first and then meat and it can be years between.
I also believe in one God and Father of all, who is the God and Father of Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah/Christ.
John 20:17Romans 15:62 Corinthians 1:32 Corinthians 11:31Ephesians 1:3Ephesians 1:17Ephesians 5:20Colossians 1:31 Peter 1:31 Corinthians 8:6.
Thank you, God, who cannot be tempted of evil, James 1:13 or lie, Titus 1:2. God could not fulfill the law, flesh had to fulfill it because the curse of sin was on flesh. How could you fulfill a law if you were not capable of breaking it? We are told Jesus the Son of God was tempted as we are, Hebrews 4:15. He was made flesh for the suffering of death, Hebrews 2:9.
2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus had a will of his own but was obedient to the Father, Luke 22:42. Jesus did the works of the Father, John 5:36. Jesus was sent by the Father, John 4:34John 7:16. Jesus did all the miracles by the Spirit of God that was given to Him without measure, Matt. 12:28John 3:34, when He was anointed at the Jordan, Mark 1:10Luke 4:18.
I hope this is correct forgive me if I am wrong. The Father is God but is not the Son and is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but is not the Father and is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but is not the Father and is not the Son. One God is three coexistent, co-eternal, and co-equal Persons.
If I may ask. If they are three persons, who is the Father of Jesus the Son of God? Matt. 1:18Luke 1:35. Jesus many times said He has a God and a Father, Matt. 7:21Matt. 12:50John 20:172 Cor. 11:31Ephesians 1:31 Peter 1:3. Jesus came in His Father's name, John 5:43.
My understanding, this is not a mystery that cannot be understood. God is a Spirit, John 4:24 It is His Spirit that dwelleth in us, 1 Cor. 3:161 Corinthians 2:10-12. God is Spirit, God is Holy. It is the Spirit of God that is the Holy Spirit.
Paul never used the Holy Spirit in his salutations. Jesus was begotten by His Father, Heb. 1:5. Jesus said His Father was greater than He John 14:28. Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
First, I ask your forgiveness, and say the KJV is one of the most trustworthy English translations, but they are not perfect. When we study pray, and the Holy Spirit will give us understanding, we can trust the Holy Spirit will lead and teach us because the Spirit is truth, 1 John 5:6 do not doubt that. Believe the Scripture by being led by the Holy Spirit, not the traditions of man.
(Milk, then meat) it is a lifelong walk, and some answers will not be known but the one answer that matters is Jesus is the way.
John's gospel, his letters, and Revelation have one thing in common, to show and give evidence that Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, the only begotten Son of God who the Father sent, and in Him is life, our salvation, eternal life. Acts 4:11-12 The Father sent the Son John 4:34John 5:30John 6:29 Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of the Father John 6:38.
Jesus came out from God John 16:27 Jesus is the beginning of creation Rev. 3:14 Before Mary could touch Him, He said I ascend unto my Father, and to my God John 20:17 John's writings are full of who Jesus was, is, and will be.
What I posted was not a lie, it is a fact, maybe I should not have posted it on an open forum like this. I wanted to inspire the study, searching for the truth, and not causing doubt. It touches on a subject that many consider non-discussable, the Trinity doctrine.
This is from my heart; this doctrine has been placed equal to the gospel of Jesus. In many Churches, you are not saved and are not a Christian if you do not believe and confess this doctrine. Does the Church have the authority to say this?
Is there any Scripture that says our salvation is dependent on this doctrine that was 400 years after the Scriptures we have? Was it even discussed by Peter, John, Paul, or in any of the letters we have? I'll leave it there.
It is to the church, the body of Christ. And John wrote based on the encouragement of the elders of Ephesus.
III. ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF JOHN:
About 95% of the information in the Gospel of John is not found in the other Gospels. So, it is new material.
What is interesting about the Gospel of John is that the entire Gospel covers 21 days of the Lord's three-year ministry. Just 21 days! 10 out of 21 chapters cover one week. 237 out of 879 verses cover one 24-hour period. So, these are very selective accounts for us about the things of Christ.
IV. ABOUT THE PURPOSE FOR JOHN WRITING THE GOSPEL OF JOHN:
He wrote in John 20:31, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
He wrote so the people would believe. Now I think it is interesting that even though he wrote so that people would surrender their life to Christ, but his presentation isn't so the people would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. He is establishing the deity of Christ. That's his ministry.
If you happen to receive Christ based on that, that is all the better. But this is a document that establishes beyond doubt about the deity of Jesus Christ. If somebody has told you in the past that the Lord never called Himself God, well, they are mistaken. All through the Gospel of John He calls Himself God and we see that as we go through.
After we go through the bible we come to the last book and it's called The Revelation of Jesus Christ.
This is the conclusion of what's written the other 65 books.
Here's the scope and purpose of John's writings
In John 20:30-31. "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
John's purpose was to introduce the readers of his gospel to Jesus Christ, establishing Who Jesus is (God in the flesh) and what He did, all with the sole aim of leading them to embrace the saving work of Christ.
JOHN 1:1
The Greek word translated "Word" in this passage is Logos.
In that day they understood the usage of the term. Word/Logos.
John is introducing Jesus with a word or a term that both his Jewish and Gentile readers would have been familiar with.
John is in a sense pointing them back to the Old Testament where the Logos or "Word" of God is associated with the personification of God's revelation.
In the Old Testament the "word" of God is often personified as an instrument for the execution of God's will.
John is pointing them back to the Old Testament.
The term Logos brought forth the idea of a "mediating principle" between God and the world in that day.
But John goes beyond the familiar concept of Logos that his Jewish and Gentile readers would have had as a mediating principle and uses Logos to present Jesus as God's perfect revelation of Himself in the flesh.
In John 14:8-9 we see the word of God in the flesh representing what the accurate Logos/Words of the old testament said who would come.
This is what Jesus is telling Phillip.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I agree with Adam, as we see in Genesis 2:7 that when God breathed into the nostrils of Adam the breath of life he became a living soul. When this spirit of life that is given by God leaves us, we are no longer a living soul. Ecclesiastes 12:7 the spirit goes back to God who gave it, that is for all people, saved or not saved.
We cannot live without the spirit, our breath as James 2:26 said without it our body is dead. When we stop breathing and that spirit goes back to God, we are no longer a living soul, as Jesus said on the cross, I commend my spirit, His breath then He died. Jesus did not go to heaven He went to the tomb/grave the same as we will. Jesus did not ascend to heaven until after He was resurrected, John 20:17.
My understanding is the confusion comes from Greek Philosophy, the meaning of death, Hades, and the immortality of the soul that merged into the Church with Augustine with the teaching on human nature and the afterlife to Greek philosophies.
Daniel 12:2 is the same as John 5:28-29 that we see in Revelation 20:11-15, the sheep and the goats, we see the last enemy cast into the lake of fire death, and hell/grave. My understanding of Scripture we are mortal, and our breath/spirit goes back to God and our soul no longer lives but is asleep in the grave until we are resurrected from the grave. This body is not what is resurrected it is our soul into our new body, and that is when we will be absent from this body, 1 Cor. 15:42-58.
Can I tell someone who thinks their loved one is in heaven their wrong? No, that would be hurtful. If they ask for my understanding, this is what Scripture says to me.
The church beyond five senses: the spiritual realm (cont)
Continuing the thought of the invisible realm (see John 20:29); we begin to understand the promises of God's protection of His saints ( Psalm 91:11; Isaiah 52:12) through the angels; we see how to correctly "bind and loose" ( Matt. 16:19); how to align more closely to what Christ is interceding in our behalf in seeking His will ( Heb. 7:25); and of course see those in bondage loosed from Satan's grip ( Luke 4:18-19) taken from Isaiah 61:1.
Those who love Him keep His commandments ( John 14:21) and originally found in Deuteronomy 7:9. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom ( Proverbs 9:10 but found many other places in scripture).
For a case study; let us examine 1 Corinthians 14:22-25 where we have tongues and prophecy as applying to unbelievers in one verse then switch to believers in the next verses. This means that evidence of the power of God needs to be present AND a clear message relatable to the sinner or saint present given. In reality there cannot be a supernatural manifestation of the Spirit WITHOUT a piercing of the soul ( Hebrews 4:12) that is of course accompanied by the Gospel as the rest of the verse indicates. It also shows how a church must be corrected as He chastises all His own (found further on in Hebrews 12 verse 6).
The fact that some spiritual activity is occuring isn't evidence that God is at work; it could be demons. The fact that this was still a place where His Spirit was at work was evident in the fact that Paul's severe discipline had results; and that right quick (as the Brits like to say). This is clear from chapter 7 of 2 Corinthians. As I started off this discourse; I mentioned the Ephesians. They were threatened with total removal of their candlestick in Revelation 2. Therefore; being dead would be worse than immature; even with all the correct doctrines and outer actions; ceremonies; etc.
You are replying to a comment by "Bagwill" 5 days ago:
Where in the Bible does it say that it's okay for women to be preachers.
MOUNTHOREB REPLY: Woman can prophecy not new info outside of the scriptures 2 Timothy 3:15-17. However, They preach what they have learned to others outside of the church or congregation. When asked a question about the bible. a woman can reply to anyone who is asking the question. even if it's a man, elder 1 Timothy 3 or someone in authority. but within the church or congregation 1 Timothy 3, a woman does not have authority over a man to speak to the whole church or Congregation 1Timothy 2:11,12,14 (unless there's no men available, if this is the case she covers her head within the congregation to PREACH 1 Corinthians 11:5;16 because of the angels in heaven) however, Outside of the building, yes a woman can teach others outside (family, neighbors etc.) Acts 2:16,17.
Jesus allowed women to speak to him and listen. even sit at his feet and ask questions. he allowed woman to speak and listened to them. and to follow him as he preached. Luke 1:36-38; John 4:7-54; John 11:20-29; John 20:11-18; Acts 1:14; Luke 8:1-3; Luke 10:38-42; Romans 16:1-5; Acts 18:2; Acts 18:24-26;
In marriage: Ephesians 5:21-33
These are all the scriptures I can think of. Revelation 22:17 "Its free"
Tribulation: Declaration vs Preaching the Gospel today.
In today's dispensation (if you don't mind me using this time frame as a proponent of that terminology in the church age at present) we preach on the death; burial and resurrection of Christ. We therefore are "blessed" as Christ referred to Thomas of those who have believed and not seen ( John 20:29). There is a general call to the crowd and to those chosen (such as the more intimate discussions between Christ and His Disciples into the meanings of parables; for instance and other matters).
In the Tribulation as noted in my last post by Revelation 6 there is no need to explain these things; only a declaration to the world of judgments already transpiring and to come; a sort of "signs and wonders" prophetic battle between the side of God's angels and the demons before Christ's final battle settles the score once and for all. I proposed that the Rapture is to wake up the Jewish nation; and specifically activation of the 144,000 for just such a purpose to fulfill the original commission to reach all the cities of Israel which cannot happen until that time ( Matthew 10:23). It is odd that until the time of Christ's initial stages to take back Jerusalem ( Zech. 12:12 but also apparently alluded to on a larger scale in Matthew 24:30) that the Jews will not come to full realization of who Christ is. They at least are deluded until the midpoint of the Tribulation as to the fact Antichrist is not their Messiah and since the world at large knows His identity at the sixth seal it may be that they don't realize they have a need for Him to be their personal Savior but they may start understanding His Lordship over the earth. Thus; I would look at the Tribulation temple to be one that isn't wrong as to the ceremonial aspects; since Antichrist himself desecrates it. Psalm 50:8 seems to show this; albeit many other verses show God's disdain at such things. Those who don't know God will worship the Beast and die.
Jesus told His 12 at the last supper, Matt. 26:29Mark. 14:25, He would not drink of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new in my Father's kingdom, in the kingdom of God. This can only be either when Jesus sets the kingdom up for the 1000 years, or when all is made new, a new earth and a new heaven, but it would be on earth not in heaven.
If we use fine linen, clean and white to identify the Church as the armies coming out of heaven we see in scripture many times the angels appear in white, white linen, and pure and white linen, Matt. 28:3John 20:12Acts 1:10Rev. 16:6 and many more, and the bride in Rev. 19:8 the fine linen is the righteousness of saints, is this just the righteousness of the Church or all the saints?
The earth is round and the gathering of the elect/saints will come from all over as a delegation meeting Jesus in the air as He is coming down to set up the kingdom as we see in Matt. 24:31. The armies in heaven are angels coming with Jesus the gathering will happen on the way down.
I know I probably did not touch on all, there are so many parts. I hope this shows some of my understanding, but I still do not see where anyone is taken to heaven.
Thanks for your reply, if we inspire each other in love to study it is good.
I agree brother, wherever Jesus will be paradise. Good question, where is paradise? What do we see in Luke 23:39-43? Many see this as when we die, we go directly to paradise, can I say no you're wrong, No, it may give some comfort to someone to think their loved one is already there. Are there other understandings? yes.
In the original language, there was no punctuation and only upper-case letters so, the understanding may change by just a comma. "I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise". Or, I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise, or would it read differently without the capitalizing of the word today?
Does the context of what was being said bring more light to this verse regardless of the comma? Two thieves were hanging next to Jesus, one railed at Jesus and the other rebuked the other thief and asked him if he did not fear God saying, they deserve their punishment, but Jesus did not do anything to deserve this, he asked Jesus to remember him when he comes into his kingdom.
Would Jesus come into his kingdom on earth that day? Not yet. Did Jesus go to paradise that day? Jesus said in Matt. 12:40 He will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. And in John 20:17 this was after He resurrected, Jesus told Mary not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended unto His Father. Does this verse say we go to heaven when we die? No.
This is not to be dogmatic it is just another understanding of Luke 23:39-43. Where is Paradise I believe in the millennium the land of Israel will be almost like paradise, but I believe the New Earth will be where our paradise will be, and I do not think we can even imagine how beautiful it will be.
In John 20:29, "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Jesus is saying I came down to your level. I met your demands, and gave you the proof that you need. But the blessing, which is the word MAKARIOS, the same word as is used on the sermon on mount which means to experience the fullness of something.
Jesus is saying that I will be in you, but you will experience the fullness of my presence in your life when you believe without seeing. So He is telling him, you believe because you have seen. But from now on the blessing will be to those who have not seen and yet have believed.
Do you see how the theme in this is to take Mary Magdalene, and the disciples, and now Thomas, and take them from the physical to the spiritual, from depending on touching and seeing and hearing, to believing by faith?
He's bringing a change about in Thomas' life. He is called a sincere doubter. He says do not become faithless but be believing.
Please notice that it doesn't say that Thomas actually went over and touched Him. Jesus is actually giving him the invitation. "Here you go Thomas."
And you expect that if Thomas was really a doubter in the spiritual sense, that he probably would come over and touched Him and said I still don't believe it!
But look at Thomas' response in John 20:28, his confession: And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
You can't get a better confession to the deity of Christ than Thomas's confession. You see, it didn't take much for Thomas. The Lord gave him the proof that he needed.
He bends to our weaknesses to prove Himself, but it is for the purpose of bringing us from the physical realm into the spiritual, into the life of faith.
And the Lord does that for us because that is the process of growth and change for every believer. And so in the Lord's care, He brings a change and Thomas says, My Lord and my God.
Both the word Lord and God have the definite article in the Greek text. There is no doubt of what he's calling Jesus. "The" Lord, and "The" God!
He is not just calling Him God, but he says, you are my Lord and my God. You see he has been changed. The Lord ministered to him. He is a sincere doubter!
I tend to believe so based on John 20:27. There is a tremendous message given to us in John 20:36-29 where we see the proof given to Thomas.
Verse 26 tells us that after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and this is a Perfect Tense, it has been barred.
I think it's kind of interesting that Jesus has already appeared to them eight days prior. They know that Jesus is risen from the dead. He has commissioned them, and they still sit there with the doors locked. It is like it hasn't really had its affect yet!
So Thomas is there. Maybe they were just doing it for Thomas' sake? "Hey, will you guys just lock the doors please." No, you don't understand, we've seen the Lord, you don't have to worry about it! "Well, lock it anyway will you." But they barred the door and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
In Verse 27, the word "then" the conjunction means then in succession. Right after He said peace be unto you, He turns directly to Thomas and He tells him in command, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and become not faithless, but believing.
Notice how I translated that. It is not the word "be." It is the word "become." When you translate it "be," it sounds like that's what he is right now. The Lord knows his heart. The Lord knows he is sincere.
Thomas is not going to believe just what anybody says. He wants proof, and the Lord gave him the proof. Do not become faithless but believing. That is a command. He's not saying he is. He says don't become that, but be believing.
They could be basing their claim on any one of the following pieces of scripture:
John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:24, John 8:58, John 10:30-33, John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8, Colossians 2:9, Philippians 2:5-8, Psalm 45:6.
The Bible tells us that we are to worship God alone, and yet Jesus received worship and never rebuked anyone who worshipped Him. We see evidence of this in Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, John 9:35-38, Hebrews 1:6.
Isaiah 44:6 reads, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me."
In Rev 1:17, it says "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as a dead man." In Daniel 10:8-9, Daniel did the same thing. When he saw this vision of Christ, he fell down as he was dead. In Ezekiel 1:28, Ezekiel sees the vision and he falls down as a dead man. It goes on to say "Fear not; I am the first and the last: (the designation of God, found in Isaiah 41:4, and Isaiah 48:12).
In Revelation 1:18, it says I am He that lives, and this is another designation of God found in Psalm 84:2, and Joshua 3:10.
I am He that lives. God presents Himself to the Jews as the living God. He says I am He that lives, and was dead; literally, and became dead, and behold, I am living forevermore, His resurrection, His eternalness.
And then it reads, Amen; and I have the keys of hell and of death. Keys are a symbol of authority. Those who were in charge of the temple had the keys to the temple. We are told later on that the Lord (Jesus) will be in control of hell and death.
In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asks His disciples who do you say I am? Peter had the perfect answer. Peter said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Peter was Jewish. The phrase "Son of the living God" from a Hebrew standpoint is a phrase used for God. To a Jew, claiming to be the Son of God was considered blasphemy, but that was Peter's response to who Jesus was
I understand you are busy with work and your concerns about your brother, so not to rush, not on Daniel, but just a few things to consider about Matthew 24. My understanding of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 is twofold, for then, and our future.
The reason is, history tells us the believers in Jesus got out and went to Pella across the Jordan river before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. And on the sabbath, today would not matter but then the gates would be locked, and it would be hard to leave.
Matt. 24:3, in Mark, we see it was Peter, James, John, and Andrew that ask Jesus in private. Jesus had just told them the temple would be destroyed and Matthew records "what sign of thy coming and the end of the world." It is easy to jump to they were talking about Jesus' second coming, but.
Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection were hidden from them until all was done. Luke 9:44-45Luke 18:31-34 and after they did not believe He resurrected. Mark 20:9-11Luke 24:6-8, John 20:9. Even right before He ascended, they were expecting Jesus to set up the kingdom then, Acts 1:6. So why in Matthew 24:3 would we interpret it as if they were asking Jesus about His second coming?
I will send you by this weekend what I have studied on the six things determined in Daniel 9:24 if I can shorten it enough, I do not like to send long posts. If you don't want me to post it let me know.
It was on the first day if the week as it is written.
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
This is day that we call "Sunday" today. In the old and ancient scriptures it is called The First day. Counting six days to arrive to the Seventh Day, the Sabbath Day, the Seventh Day, we call that day Saturday today.
The question should be: which day was the Messiah crucified! Because many people have been deceived to believe that it was Friday. This is impossible according to the scriptures.
Fact: Jahshua, the Messiah tells us that he will be in the belly of the Earth as Jonah was in the belly of a big fish for a sign unto a wicked generation desiring a sign. 3 Days and night was Jonah in the big fish (not a whale)
So knowing that he rose from the dead on the First day, all we need to do is count backwards three days and we will arrive at Wednesday, which was the day before the high holy day of the feast and was a high Sabbath day of the feast of unleavened bread. No matter what day of the week it fell on would be a Sabbath day. That year the high holy Sabbath of the feast was on Thursday, so he had to die before the Sabbath of feast, before Thursday. So not Counting Wednesday the day of the crucifixion count forward three days and we are at the Seventh day, another Sabbath. Then Jahshua is resurrected as soon as the Seventh day is over on Sunday, the first day of the week.
After knowing this,, someone tell me how he could be crucified on Friday and spend 3 days in the grave till Sunday, the first day.
If he was crucified Friday and died at the end of that day at sunset, which is the beginning of the new day, Saturday; then where are the other two days the Messiah said that he would still be in the grave? By believing that he was crucified on Friday, one would believe that he was in the grave for only one day. Remember! 3 Days & NIGHTS in the grave.
This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.
God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:10 1 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.
All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3 Eph. 1:17 Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.
In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.
Rom. 1:7-8 1 Cor. 1:3-4 1 John 1:3 2 John 1:3 2 Cor. 1:2-3 Gal. 1:3-4 Eph. 1:2-3 Phil. 1:2 Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4 Philemon 1:3 2 Pet. 1:2.
You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.
God bless,
RLW
Back to the discussion we were having. My thoughts about that and what I have been tought are:
In Matthew 16:19 and John 20:21-23, Jesus gives the apostles the right to forgive sins. So what does that mean? That they can take God's right to forgive or not? Well this doesn't sound right, does it?
I will go to that incident in Corinth whre a brother was having an affair with his father's wife. Paul suggests the members of that church to ( 1 Cor 5:4-5) " 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
A similar case is described in Matthew 18:15-18. It is the case that a brother sins to another brother and dispite the church telling him to repent he wouldn't repent, so Jesus said "17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
The above are cases that the church has the right to bind and free, forgive or not. The right of the church to exlude somebody from the congregation and deliver him to satan.
But a question may arise. What if the church is wrong and the specific brother is right. We know from history that many churches took advantage of those verses and exluded believers for all sort of reasons, even political reasons. I firmly believe that in such cases God doesn't pay any attention to such decisions, actualy He is the one who forgives or not.
But I would also like others to comment on those verse and see what they believe.
Have a blessed week.
Thanks for your patience.
Here's the scripture we have in question and how it reads.
John 20:21-23.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Here we have another one of those passages that has caused a lot of confusion.
I will share my thoughts on these verses.
Previously I stated we don't have "The right " to forgive or retain the sins of people!
I believe as ambassadors for Christ We have the Gospel to present to the lost sinner. If you win a soul by way of the Gospel, you have loosed on earth that is ALREADY loosed in Heaven.
Only Christ can forgive sins.
I would like to attempt to give more clarity on this.
One of the few translations that reflect key Greek nuances reads as follows
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained" The word forgiven is in the perfect tense. NASB.
In verse 22 Jesus breathed on them and said receive the Holyspirit and he sent them out. (After Pentecost)
By this power that they didn't have before, the apostles would be able to make "SPIRIT-LED SENTENCING" AFTER PRESENTING THE GOSPEL.
They would be led or inspired to either pardon or bound according to what has ALREADY been pardoned or bound by God.
I believe we are able to sound the horn of salvation we are not able to make the decision for salvation.
I am not sure about the translations
nevertheless that's the way I see those verses.
Thanks and God bless.
Before I turn in, here's one I meant to ask you about.
You gave your interpretation on John 20:21-23. and paralleled it with Matthew 16:19.
Here's how it went.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.,
You interpreted this passage of scripture as the following;
( We, the church, have the right to forgive or retain the sins of people, only that it has to be done according to God's will.)
Giannis we don't have "The right " to forgive or retain the sins of people!
I believe as ambassadors for Christ We have the Gospel to present to the lost sinner. If you win a soul by way of the Gospel, you have loosed on earth that is already loosed in Heaven.
Only Christ can forgive sins.
God bless and Goodnight.
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I (Paul) forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
Doesn't the above remind us of the discussion Peter had with Jesus:
Matthew 16:19,
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Also when Jesus appeared to his disciples after His resurrection?
John 20:21-23,
"21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
We, the chuech, have the right to forgive or retain the sins of people, only that it has to be done according to God's will.
"She took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
Contextual truth is from Satan since it does not give truth its total sovereignty to the word as He intended. When He sent his Son he defined what he was. "I am the Way, the truth and the life" Instead believing it it opens way for extraneous matters judge truth. We have a couple of examples: Eve saw the fruit of the tree from the POV of Satan and let her senses settle the matter. Compare with Thomas who would not believe unless he saw the nail marks by his own eyes. What did Jesus Christ say," blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."( John 20:29). Adam in his turn let his love for Eve forget himself. He should have asked himself, "What has God said about eating of the fruit?" He simply ate what she gave to him.
Man thus became a servant to sin. Instead of the Law of Spirit he would be judged under the law of sin.
God had made his Will clear to Adam. What the serpent made of 'In the day' and saying thou shalt not die was at odds with the soul and it made the man accountable to God. God allowed to eat of all other fruits freely including from the tree of life. God's commandment, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die," would have grave consequences upon the soul of man.
In the same vein the nascent church was given an underhand swipe when Constantine I adopted Christianity as the state religion. It eased the state policy of persecution. Outwardly it spared the body of the Church. Since then are we not assailed by heresies without let?
I also believe the nails were through His hands. John 20:27 seems to indicate hands.
I have also heard some say the nails were through His wrists. The reason they say this is because of the bone structure. They say that the way the wrist bones form right below the hand, that is the only way a nail would support the weight of the body.
My thoughts are that they probably tied Him down first before they drove the nails in, but that is just speculation on my part.
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
About difference between soul and spirit, I also would like to highlight or point out the difference between HUMAN creation and other kind of animals. Genesis 1:24&26:
24 GOD said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind(may the Earth produce, or produce the Earth), cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. But about man,(v.26) GOD said, Let us MAKE MAN in our image, after our likeness: ...
If GOD had not breathed on man, this would be an animal like other animals in which GOD did not breathe the breath of life, in fact, that is why they do not speak a single word, even a letter, by nature.
I am a fruit of the multiplication that GOD ordered around 6000 years ago. I was born in the last century, but the order of my birth was given by my GOD millennia ago. I was born under His everlating Word of course. Job 33:4 -The Spirit of GOD hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Having said that, I would like to highlight and emphasize that when GOD breathed the breath of life into man, He actually gave man the ability to speak with his mouth, and thus dominate the earthly environment. John 3:31-He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth. So, he that is of above is above all.
John 20:22 - when JESUS had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit:
Isaiah 2:22 - Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?
Psalm 19:14 - Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
Amen
Mode of Signs or gestures. (1 of 2)
Power principle of God is complemented by Wisdom principle, which can be explained in the Father Son relationship in many ways. In terms of the Word and expression, its glory in expression gives a sign language, which is expressed by the Spirit as a narrative mode. For example God gives charge to young Jeremiah which is a token, "Then the LORD reached out his hand and touched my mouth and said to me, 'I have put my words in your mouth' "(Je.1:9). Similarly He gives Ezekiel a roll that empowers him for the purpose. "And he said to me, "Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel.(Ez.3:1)" Jeremiah was young but it was His Power and His wisdom doing the tasks, "Thou therefore gird up thy loins, and arise, and speak unto them all that I command thee: be not dismayed at their faces, lest I confound thee before them".(Je.1:17)
When Jesus would cure the deaf and mute he looks up thereby fixing his faith which came from his Father, "And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened..(Mark.7:34)
Gestures like looking up or breathing on the disciples present ( John 20:22) for the above reason are not mere gestures but the Son expressing appropriate emotional significance as True and Faithful witness. He witnessed Truth before men and angels.
Spirit of humility marked his gestures. Apart from heaven being above he lifted his eyes up acknowledging by such a single gesture his lowliness. Blessings come from the greater on the lesser applied equally to him. When people would want to make him their king he slipped away from their hold.
He conducted himself as a witness before the Word though was the Word become flesh. In all these neither his gesture nor conduct would lift him in a spirit of pride. He could boldly say, the prince of this world comes and he has no hold over me. ( John 14:30)
Interesting viewpoint.
Here's another one that I find provocative.
In John 20:17, the word translated "touch" is a Greek word which means "to cling to, to lay hold of.
She wanted to worship him and never loose him again.
But there was still work to be done in cleansing our temple by presenting himself in our behalf.
Then in the same verse Jesus says why he told Mary not to touch him.
"FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER.
I believe Jesus was in his role as the High priest as this point.
He was to present himself as the sacrifice.
Hebrews 9:25-26. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 10:12-22. But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
And having an high priest over the house of God;
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
God bless.
Just something to consider or as you say so well meditate, thank you, brother.
John 20:17, just think sunrise on the morning of the Feast of First Fruits, Leviticus 23:9-14, a shadow of what was being fulfilled when Jesus rose from the dead. The priests were waving the sheaf of grain left and right before the altar, and the women were arriving at the Lord's tomb around the same time. They could not eat or partake of the first harvest until it was waved and accepted by God, Jesus had to present Himself to God, He is the First Fruits of those of the dead, the first harvest.
Is this why Mary could not touch Him? We see later after He presented Himself and was accepted by God, after He returned then they could touch Him, Matthew 28:9. He was raised in His glorified body the same as we will be raised in our glorified body, 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. Eternal life is the gift and hope we have through Jesus Christ our Lord in Jesus.
God bless and amen to the may I add.
RLW
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." John 20:17 KJV
Jesus resurrected from the tomb in the same body he completed the finished work in. Mary was not to touch and His message was that he would ascend to the Father his God and the brethren's God.
A born again Christian also resurrects from the grave in the body they died in. Until, we like Jesus ascend to the Father we must remain separate from sin. Jesus did exactly this as an example for us.
Romans 7:24 1 Corinthians 15:44 1 Corinthians 15:40
I'm with you, I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God given to us. A reason we differ, preconceived ideas are obstacles to the truth. We all grow up in cultures where we inherit certain biased beliefs, values, and attitudes from our parents, teachers, religious affiliation, peer groups, and friends. When we study the Bible unless we can clear these obstacles, and beliefs when we read our sub-conscience mind will block the true meaning with the ones we have stored in our mind.
We must empty our minds as we know nothing, take out the garbage, pray, and let the Spirit of Truth show us the true meaning of what we are studying. We must keep in mind we get milk first and then meat and it can be years between.
I also believe in one God and Father of all, who is the God and Father of Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah/Christ.
John 20:17 Romans 15:6 2 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 Ephesians 1:17 Ephesians 5:20 Colossians 1:3 1 Peter 1:3 1 Corinthians 8:6.
God bless,
RLW
Thank you, God, who cannot be tempted of evil, James 1:13 or lie, Titus 1:2. God could not fulfill the law, flesh had to fulfill it because the curse of sin was on flesh. How could you fulfill a law if you were not capable of breaking it? We are told Jesus the Son of God was tempted as we are, Hebrews 4:15. He was made flesh for the suffering of death, Hebrews 2:9.
2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus had a will of his own but was obedient to the Father, Luke 22:42. Jesus did the works of the Father, John 5:36. Jesus was sent by the Father, John 4:34 John 7:16. Jesus did all the miracles by the Spirit of God that was given to Him without measure, Matt. 12:28 John 3:34, when He was anointed at the Jordan, Mark 1:10 Luke 4:18.
I hope this is correct forgive me if I am wrong. The Father is God but is not the Son and is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but is not the Father and is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but is not the Father and is not the Son. One God is three coexistent, co-eternal, and co-equal Persons.
If I may ask. If they are three persons, who is the Father of Jesus the Son of God? Matt. 1:18 Luke 1:35. Jesus many times said He has a God and a Father, Matt. 7:21 Matt. 12:50 John 20:17 2 Cor. 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 1 Peter 1:3. Jesus came in His Father's name, John 5:43.
My understanding, this is not a mystery that cannot be understood. God is a Spirit, John 4:24 It is His Spirit that dwelleth in us, 1 Cor. 3:16 1 Corinthians 2:10-12. God is Spirit, God is Holy. It is the Spirit of God that is the Holy Spirit.
Paul never used the Holy Spirit in his salutations. Jesus was begotten by His Father, Heb. 1:5. Jesus said His Father was greater than He John 14:28. Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
God bless,
RLW
First, I ask your forgiveness, and say the KJV is one of the most trustworthy English translations, but they are not perfect. When we study pray, and the Holy Spirit will give us understanding, we can trust the Holy Spirit will lead and teach us because the Spirit is truth, 1 John 5:6 do not doubt that. Believe the Scripture by being led by the Holy Spirit, not the traditions of man.
(Milk, then meat) it is a lifelong walk, and some answers will not be known but the one answer that matters is Jesus is the way.
John's gospel, his letters, and Revelation have one thing in common, to show and give evidence that Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, the only begotten Son of God who the Father sent, and in Him is life, our salvation, eternal life. Acts 4:11-12 The Father sent the Son John 4:34 John 5:30 John 6:29 Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of the Father John 6:38.
Jesus came out from God John 16:27 Jesus is the beginning of creation Rev. 3:14 Before Mary could touch Him, He said I ascend unto my Father, and to my God John 20:17 John's writings are full of who Jesus was, is, and will be.
What I posted was not a lie, it is a fact, maybe I should not have posted it on an open forum like this. I wanted to inspire the study, searching for the truth, and not causing doubt. It touches on a subject that many consider non-discussable, the Trinity doctrine.
This is from my heart; this doctrine has been placed equal to the gospel of Jesus. In many Churches, you are not saved and are not a Christian if you do not believe and confess this doctrine. Does the Church have the authority to say this?
Is there any Scripture that says our salvation is dependent on this doctrine that was 400 years after the Scriptures we have? Was it even discussed by Peter, John, Paul, or in any of the letters we have? I'll leave it there.
I am sorry if I have offended you.
Love you all and God bless,
RLW
II. ABOUT THE RECIPIENTS:
It is to the church, the body of Christ. And John wrote based on the encouragement of the elders of Ephesus.
III. ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF JOHN:
About 95% of the information in the Gospel of John is not found in the other Gospels. So, it is new material.
What is interesting about the Gospel of John is that the entire Gospel covers 21 days of the Lord's three-year ministry. Just 21 days! 10 out of 21 chapters cover one week. 237 out of 879 verses cover one 24-hour period. So, these are very selective accounts for us about the things of Christ.
IV. ABOUT THE PURPOSE FOR JOHN WRITING THE GOSPEL OF JOHN:
He wrote in John 20:31, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
He wrote so the people would believe. Now I think it is interesting that even though he wrote so that people would surrender their life to Christ, but his presentation isn't so the people would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. He is establishing the deity of Christ. That's his ministry.
If you happen to receive Christ based on that, that is all the better. But this is a document that establishes beyond doubt about the deity of Jesus Christ. If somebody has told you in the past that the Lord never called Himself God, well, they are mistaken. All through the Gospel of John He calls Himself God and we see that as we go through.
After we go through the bible we come to the last book and it's called The Revelation of Jesus Christ.
This is the conclusion of what's written the other 65 books.
Here's the scope and purpose of John's writings
In John 20:30-31. "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
John's purpose was to introduce the readers of his gospel to Jesus Christ, establishing Who Jesus is (God in the flesh) and what He did, all with the sole aim of leading them to embrace the saving work of Christ.
JOHN 1:1
The Greek word translated "Word" in this passage is Logos.
In that day they understood the usage of the term. Word/Logos.
John is introducing Jesus with a word or a term that both his Jewish and Gentile readers would have been familiar with.
John is in a sense pointing them back to the Old Testament where the Logos or "Word" of God is associated with the personification of God's revelation.
In the Old Testament the "word" of God is often personified as an instrument for the execution of God's will.
John is pointing them back to the Old Testament.
The term Logos brought forth the idea of a "mediating principle" between God and the world in that day.
But John goes beyond the familiar concept of Logos that his Jewish and Gentile readers would have had as a mediating principle and uses Logos to present Jesus as God's perfect revelation of Himself in the flesh.
In John 14:8-9 we see the word of God in the flesh representing what the accurate Logos/Words of the old testament said who would come.
This is what Jesus is telling Phillip.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
In this regard I believe you are right.
GB.
I agree with Adam, as we see in Genesis 2:7 that when God breathed into the nostrils of Adam the breath of life he became a living soul. When this spirit of life that is given by God leaves us, we are no longer a living soul. Ecclesiastes 12:7 the spirit goes back to God who gave it, that is for all people, saved or not saved.
We cannot live without the spirit, our breath as James 2:26 said without it our body is dead. When we stop breathing and that spirit goes back to God, we are no longer a living soul, as Jesus said on the cross, I commend my spirit, His breath then He died. Jesus did not go to heaven He went to the tomb/grave the same as we will. Jesus did not ascend to heaven until after He was resurrected, John 20:17.
My understanding is the confusion comes from Greek Philosophy, the meaning of death, Hades, and the immortality of the soul that merged into the Church with Augustine with the teaching on human nature and the afterlife to Greek philosophies.
Daniel 12:2 is the same as John 5:28-29 that we see in Revelation 20:11-15, the sheep and the goats, we see the last enemy cast into the lake of fire death, and hell/grave. My understanding of Scripture we are mortal, and our breath/spirit goes back to God and our soul no longer lives but is asleep in the grave until we are resurrected from the grave. This body is not what is resurrected it is our soul into our new body, and that is when we will be absent from this body, 1 Cor. 15:42-58.
Can I tell someone who thinks their loved one is in heaven their wrong? No, that would be hurtful. If they ask for my understanding, this is what Scripture says to me.
God bless,
RLW
Continuing the thought of the invisible realm (see John 20:29); we begin to understand the promises of God's protection of His saints ( Psalm 91:11; Isaiah 52:12) through the angels; we see how to correctly "bind and loose" ( Matt. 16:19); how to align more closely to what Christ is interceding in our behalf in seeking His will ( Heb. 7:25); and of course see those in bondage loosed from Satan's grip ( Luke 4:18-19) taken from Isaiah 61:1.
Those who love Him keep His commandments ( John 14:21) and originally found in Deuteronomy 7:9. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom ( Proverbs 9:10 but found many other places in scripture).
For a case study; let us examine 1 Corinthians 14:22-25 where we have tongues and prophecy as applying to unbelievers in one verse then switch to believers in the next verses. This means that evidence of the power of God needs to be present AND a clear message relatable to the sinner or saint present given. In reality there cannot be a supernatural manifestation of the Spirit WITHOUT a piercing of the soul ( Hebrews 4:12) that is of course accompanied by the Gospel as the rest of the verse indicates. It also shows how a church must be corrected as He chastises all His own (found further on in Hebrews 12 verse 6).
The fact that some spiritual activity is occuring isn't evidence that God is at work; it could be demons. The fact that this was still a place where His Spirit was at work was evident in the fact that Paul's severe discipline had results; and that right quick (as the Brits like to say). This is clear from chapter 7 of 2 Corinthians. As I started off this discourse; I mentioned the Ephesians. They were threatened with total removal of their candlestick in Revelation 2. Therefore; being dead would be worse than immature; even with all the correct doctrines and outer actions; ceremonies; etc.
John 16:8 shows how the true Spirit of God works.
Where in the Bible does it say that it's okay for women to be preachers.
MOUNTHOREB REPLY: Woman can prophecy not new info outside of the scriptures 2 Timothy 3:15-17. However, They preach what they have learned to others outside of the church or congregation. When asked a question about the bible. a woman can reply to anyone who is asking the question. even if it's a man, elder 1 Timothy 3 or someone in authority. but within the church or congregation 1 Timothy 3, a woman does not have authority over a man to speak to the whole church or Congregation 1Timothy 2:11,12,14 (unless there's no men available, if this is the case she covers her head within the congregation to PREACH 1 Corinthians 11:5;16 because of the angels in heaven) however, Outside of the building, yes a woman can teach others outside (family, neighbors etc.) Acts 2:16,17.
Jesus allowed women to speak to him and listen. even sit at his feet and ask questions. he allowed woman to speak and listened to them. and to follow him as he preached. Luke 1:36-38; John 4:7-54; John 11:20-29; John 20:11-18; Acts 1:14; Luke 8:1-3; Luke 10:38-42; Romans 16:1-5; Acts 18:2; Acts 18:24-26;
In marriage: Ephesians 5:21-33
These are all the scriptures I can think of. Revelation 22:17 "Its free"
In today's dispensation (if you don't mind me using this time frame as a proponent of that terminology in the church age at present) we preach on the death; burial and resurrection of Christ. We therefore are "blessed" as Christ referred to Thomas of those who have believed and not seen ( John 20:29). There is a general call to the crowd and to those chosen (such as the more intimate discussions between Christ and His Disciples into the meanings of parables; for instance and other matters).
In the Tribulation as noted in my last post by Revelation 6 there is no need to explain these things; only a declaration to the world of judgments already transpiring and to come; a sort of "signs and wonders" prophetic battle between the side of God's angels and the demons before Christ's final battle settles the score once and for all. I proposed that the Rapture is to wake up the Jewish nation; and specifically activation of the 144,000 for just such a purpose to fulfill the original commission to reach all the cities of Israel which cannot happen until that time ( Matthew 10:23). It is odd that until the time of Christ's initial stages to take back Jerusalem ( Zech. 12:12 but also apparently alluded to on a larger scale in Matthew 24:30) that the Jews will not come to full realization of who Christ is. They at least are deluded until the midpoint of the Tribulation as to the fact Antichrist is not their Messiah and since the world at large knows His identity at the sixth seal it may be that they don't realize they have a need for Him to be their personal Savior but they may start understanding His Lordship over the earth. Thus; I would look at the Tribulation temple to be one that isn't wrong as to the ceremonial aspects; since Antichrist himself desecrates it. Psalm 50:8 seems to show this; albeit many other verses show God's disdain at such things. Those who don't know God will worship the Beast and die.
Jesus told His 12 at the last supper, Matt. 26:29 Mark. 14:25, He would not drink of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new in my Father's kingdom, in the kingdom of God. This can only be either when Jesus sets the kingdom up for the 1000 years, or when all is made new, a new earth and a new heaven, but it would be on earth not in heaven.
If we use fine linen, clean and white to identify the Church as the armies coming out of heaven we see in scripture many times the angels appear in white, white linen, and pure and white linen, Matt. 28:3 John 20:12 Acts 1:10 Rev. 16:6 and many more, and the bride in Rev. 19:8 the fine linen is the righteousness of saints, is this just the righteousness of the Church or all the saints?
The earth is round and the gathering of the elect/saints will come from all over as a delegation meeting Jesus in the air as He is coming down to set up the kingdom as we see in Matt. 24:31. The armies in heaven are angels coming with Jesus the gathering will happen on the way down.
I know I probably did not touch on all, there are so many parts. I hope this shows some of my understanding, but I still do not see where anyone is taken to heaven.
Thanks for your reply, if we inspire each other in love to study it is good.
God bless,
RLW
I agree brother, wherever Jesus will be paradise. Good question, where is paradise? What do we see in Luke 23:39-43? Many see this as when we die, we go directly to paradise, can I say no you're wrong, No, it may give some comfort to someone to think their loved one is already there. Are there other understandings? yes.
In the original language, there was no punctuation and only upper-case letters so, the understanding may change by just a comma. "I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise". Or, I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise, or would it read differently without the capitalizing of the word today?
Does the context of what was being said bring more light to this verse regardless of the comma? Two thieves were hanging next to Jesus, one railed at Jesus and the other rebuked the other thief and asked him if he did not fear God saying, they deserve their punishment, but Jesus did not do anything to deserve this, he asked Jesus to remember him when he comes into his kingdom.
Would Jesus come into his kingdom on earth that day? Not yet. Did Jesus go to paradise that day? Jesus said in Matt. 12:40 He will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. And in John 20:17 this was after He resurrected, Jesus told Mary not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended unto His Father. Does this verse say we go to heaven when we die? No.
This is not to be dogmatic it is just another understanding of Luke 23:39-43. Where is Paradise I believe in the millennium the land of Israel will be almost like paradise, but I believe the New Earth will be where our paradise will be, and I do not think we can even imagine how beautiful it will be.
God bless,
RLW
Babu,
I will finish this up here, I promise!
In John 20:29, "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Jesus is saying I came down to your level. I met your demands, and gave you the proof that you need. But the blessing, which is the word MAKARIOS, the same word as is used on the sermon on mount which means to experience the fullness of something.
Jesus is saying that I will be in you, but you will experience the fullness of my presence in your life when you believe without seeing. So He is telling him, you believe because you have seen. But from now on the blessing will be to those who have not seen and yet have believed.
Babu,
Do you see how the theme in this is to take Mary Magdalene, and the disciples, and now Thomas, and take them from the physical to the spiritual, from depending on touching and seeing and hearing, to believing by faith?
He's bringing a change about in Thomas' life. He is called a sincere doubter. He says do not become faithless but be believing.
Please notice that it doesn't say that Thomas actually went over and touched Him. Jesus is actually giving him the invitation. "Here you go Thomas."
And you expect that if Thomas was really a doubter in the spiritual sense, that he probably would come over and touched Him and said I still don't believe it!
But look at Thomas' response in John 20:28, his confession: And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
You can't get a better confession to the deity of Christ than Thomas's confession. You see, it didn't take much for Thomas. The Lord gave him the proof that he needed.
He bends to our weaknesses to prove Himself, but it is for the purpose of bringing us from the physical realm into the spiritual, into the life of faith.
And the Lord does that for us because that is the process of growth and change for every believer. And so in the Lord's care, He brings a change and Thomas says, My Lord and my God.
Both the word Lord and God have the definite article in the Greek text. There is no doubt of what he's calling Jesus. "The" Lord, and "The" God!
He is not just calling Him God, but he says, you are my Lord and my God. You see he has been changed. The Lord ministered to him. He is a sincere doubter!
(Part 1)
I tend to believe so based on John 20:27. There is a tremendous message given to us in John 20:36-29 where we see the proof given to Thomas.
Verse 26 tells us that after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and this is a Perfect Tense, it has been barred.
I think it's kind of interesting that Jesus has already appeared to them eight days prior. They know that Jesus is risen from the dead. He has commissioned them, and they still sit there with the doors locked. It is like it hasn't really had its affect yet!
So Thomas is there. Maybe they were just doing it for Thomas' sake? "Hey, will you guys just lock the doors please." No, you don't understand, we've seen the Lord, you don't have to worry about it! "Well, lock it anyway will you." But they barred the door and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
In Verse 27, the word "then" the conjunction means then in succession. Right after He said peace be unto you, He turns directly to Thomas and He tells him in command, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and become not faithless, but believing.
Notice how I translated that. It is not the word "be." It is the word "become." When you translate it "be," it sounds like that's what he is right now. The Lord knows his heart. The Lord knows he is sincere.
Thomas is not going to believe just what anybody says. He wants proof, and the Lord gave him the proof. Do not become faithless but believing. That is a command. He's not saying he is. He says don't become that, but be believing.
They could be basing their claim on any one of the following pieces of scripture:
John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:24, John 8:58, John 10:30-33, John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8, Colossians 2:9, Philippians 2:5-8, Psalm 45:6.
The Bible tells us that we are to worship God alone, and yet Jesus received worship and never rebuked anyone who worshipped Him. We see evidence of this in Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, John 9:35-38, Hebrews 1:6.
Isaiah 44:6 reads, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me."
In Rev 1:17, it says "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as a dead man." In Daniel 10:8-9, Daniel did the same thing. When he saw this vision of Christ, he fell down as he was dead. In Ezekiel 1:28, Ezekiel sees the vision and he falls down as a dead man. It goes on to say "Fear not; I am the first and the last: (the designation of God, found in Isaiah 41:4, and Isaiah 48:12).
In Revelation 1:18, it says I am He that lives, and this is another designation of God found in Psalm 84:2, and Joshua 3:10.
I am He that lives. God presents Himself to the Jews as the living God. He says I am He that lives, and was dead; literally, and became dead, and behold, I am living forevermore, His resurrection, His eternalness.
And then it reads, Amen; and I have the keys of hell and of death. Keys are a symbol of authority. Those who were in charge of the temple had the keys to the temple. We are told later on that the Lord (Jesus) will be in control of hell and death.
In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asks His disciples who do you say I am? Peter had the perfect answer. Peter said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Peter was Jewish. The phrase "Son of the living God" from a Hebrew standpoint is a phrase used for God. To a Jew, claiming to be the Son of God was considered blasphemy, but that was Peter's response to who Jesus was
I understand you are busy with work and your concerns about your brother, so not to rush, not on Daniel, but just a few things to consider about Matthew 24. My understanding of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 is twofold, for then, and our future.
The reason is, history tells us the believers in Jesus got out and went to Pella across the Jordan river before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. And on the sabbath, today would not matter but then the gates would be locked, and it would be hard to leave.
Matt. 24:3, in Mark, we see it was Peter, James, John, and Andrew that ask Jesus in private. Jesus had just told them the temple would be destroyed and Matthew records "what sign of thy coming and the end of the world." It is easy to jump to they were talking about Jesus' second coming, but.
Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection were hidden from them until all was done. Luke 9:44-45 Luke 18:31-34 and after they did not believe He resurrected. Mark 20:9-11 Luke 24:6-8, John 20:9. Even right before He ascended, they were expecting Jesus to set up the kingdom then, Acts 1:6. So why in Matthew 24:3 would we interpret it as if they were asking Jesus about His second coming?
I will send you by this weekend what I have studied on the six things determined in Daniel 9:24 if I can shorten it enough, I do not like to send long posts. If you don't want me to post it let me know.
God bless,
RLW
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
This is day that we call "Sunday" today. In the old and ancient scriptures it is called The First day. Counting six days to arrive to the Seventh Day, the Sabbath Day, the Seventh Day, we call that day Saturday today.
The question should be: which day was the Messiah crucified! Because many people have been deceived to believe that it was Friday. This is impossible according to the scriptures.
Fact: Jahshua, the Messiah tells us that he will be in the belly of the Earth as Jonah was in the belly of a big fish for a sign unto a wicked generation desiring a sign. 3 Days and night was Jonah in the big fish (not a whale)
So knowing that he rose from the dead on the First day, all we need to do is count backwards three days and we will arrive at Wednesday, which was the day before the high holy day of the feast and was a high Sabbath day of the feast of unleavened bread. No matter what day of the week it fell on would be a Sabbath day. That year the high holy Sabbath of the feast was on Thursday, so he had to die before the Sabbath of feast, before Thursday. So not Counting Wednesday the day of the crucifixion count forward three days and we are at the Seventh day, another Sabbath. Then Jahshua is resurrected as soon as the Seventh day is over on Sunday, the first day of the week.
After knowing this,, someone tell me how he could be crucified on Friday and spend 3 days in the grave till Sunday, the first day.
If he was crucified Friday and died at the end of that day at sunset, which is the beginning of the new day, Saturday; then where are the other two days the Messiah said that he would still be in the grave? By believing that he was crucified on Friday, one would believe that he was in the grave for only one day. Remember! 3 Days & NIGHTS in the grave.