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It appears from the comments that reasoning persons are wondering whether the meaning of the word 'today' and/or the punctuation, may have been lost in translation. The answer is that there was no punctuation in the original Greek Bible manuscripts. Further, 'today' could not have meant that very day, since Jesus himself was not raised up until the third day and during that three-day period, he was not in heaven, because following his resurrection he told Mary Magdalene: "I have not yet ascended to the Father." ( John 20:17). It was 40 days later that he ascended. Jesus was preaching the hope of resurrection. The book of Revelation, written about 63 years after the statements in Luke were made, indicates that these events, including the resurrection, were still in the future. For more information, please contact your local congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

@Paul,

With regard to verse 17:
��Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.��
That most relates to
Hebrews 9:12 ��Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.��
Jesus as an high priest, went in the temple with his own blood he presented as a sacrifice to God.
That he did just after resurrection.
God bless you.

I am trying to understand this phrase in relation to when Thomas touched Jesus wound. Did Jesus ascend to Heaven shortly after rising then return to be with his apostles

Jesus came to fulfill the LAW & to minister to the Jews only (Icame to the house of Isreal only)Christs sacrificial blood atonement and resurection for the sins of all mankind was unkown to the Jews until after the resurrection. Acts and The Pauleen Epistles reveals Gentiles & Jews salvation program especially in Eph 2:8-9. We Gentiles were out in the cold until after the Cross. Eph 11-12 Now we are to unify!

I think that this verse proves the Catholics are right. Forgiveness is granted by the Priest when we step into a confessional and say "Father forgive me for I have sinned". Christ gave the apostles the power and authority to grant forgiveness, and today absolution can only come through a Priest. Christ clearly authorized the Church Fathers to retain or remit sin, and Christ will not redeem a sinner unless a Priest permits it.

JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD

How sad it is that most people only call on GOD when they're in trouble.GOD, who deserves tons of respect and thanks,receives very little. I look forward to the day I can see HIM face to face so I can thank HIM personally.HE is sooooo good to us. much thanks LORD!!!

jehova names has been remove because they want to make trinity doctrine true wich ist not true jehova is the only true GOD and jesus is his son the first born pleased peoples way up look at this and see that there its not trinity colossians 1:15 and isaih 42:8 john 20:17 revelation 3:11,12 filemon 2:5,6 act 7:55,56 and the hole bilbe says God jehova and jesus the lamb of God

hi, i think other blible descriptions they remove jehova name just to try that there its a trinity doctrine which its not true ,, jehova its the only true GOD and jesus first born colossians 1:15 isaiah 42:8 philemon 2:5 first timothy 2:2,6 john 20:17 revelation 3:11,12

In general, we all sons of God, but most of us has lost the Father (GOD) to this world and become sons and daughters of the father/prince of this world (satan) as we attend to evil acts. However, to be a Son of God you have to be like Jesus, He was a fully qualified Son of God, in terms of him displaying the qualities of God, with no stain of sin. Indeed, if you see it this way he is the Son of God. Nevertheless, we can all once again become Sons of God if we give up this world with its sins. I believe Jesus to be a perfect example of what God what�s us to do and follow in order to gain him back close toward fellow human bins, after all we all brothers and sisters.
How can a true loving mother and father hate one and love another� impossible. In Gods eye we all his sons and daughters, so next time you think of hurting someone or gossiping and causing any form of evil in your heart against someone, remember that it is your sister or brother you hurting and your or mom and dad ( in other way God) won�t be please about that.
So my advice is stop all the dogma (most of it at the end is confusing for most) and rather do as Jesus did. Being nice to people, helping where you can, giving a had to the need ( each moth put aside little cash from what you earn ,give it to someone how as nothing, maybe a Christmas present for homeless boy in your street.
Remember : Its natural to be good you don�t have to wonder your mind about it
Remember: Satan is the other of confusion. Forget dogmas, just be good, that�s your part to do, and if you do it sincerely, God will come closer to you and show you the way.

Lots of love from AFRICA, from and African sister to you all.

I worship under the Hebrew faith, but will never stop believing that Jesus died and was risen from the dead. Also that he is the Son of God. I love Jesus and will always love him, and thank him for all he done here on earth.

In Luke 24:45-49 Jesus reminded his disciples of what is written of him concerning his suffering, death and ressurection; that repentance and remission of sins would be preached in his name beginning from Jerusalem. They were to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Ghost to come upon them in order to witness the word ( Acts 1:7-8). Before his crucifiction Jesus had told his disciples that it was not them that would speak but the Holy Ghost ( Mark 13:11). They were to preach the the Gospel with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven ( 1 Peter 1:12). On the day of pentecost they heard the infallible Holy Ghost speak through the mouth of Peter ( Acts 2:33). In Acts 10:44 it says to him give all prophets witness that through his name whosover believers shall receive remission of sins. On this day of pentecost, after death burial, ressurection and ascension of Jesus, the Holy Ghost witnessed, beginning from Jerusalem, commanding the people to repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins and they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit ( Acts 2:38). God is His own interprater, interpreting the Name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost; for he says in Zechariah 14:9 : And the Lord shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord and his name one. Thomas called him My Lord and my God ( John 20:28). On this day of Pentecost the Holy Ghost bore witness of His Holy child whom He annointed( Mathew 1:18, Acts 4: 27). Who can add or subtract from what God had began? What He began in the day of pentectost and Jerusalem restores in the Last days: Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ for remission of Sin. The Holy Ghost Church will stay with the command of the Holy Ghost for they know the Apostles were sent the Holy Ghost (13:4) and spake these words at His command.

Jesus was God manifested in the the flesh ( 1 Timothy 3:16). God is a Spirit( Holy Spirit) - John 4: 24; God was manifested in the flesh to take away the sin of the world. God purchased his church by his own blood ( acts 20:28). Isaiah 9:6 says unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and his name shall be called wonderful, counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting father. Notice hear it didnt say names but name. All the titles applied to Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 refer to the self same person. He was God above us in the old testament and Immanuel (God with us) when he was manifested in the flesh. In John 14:6-11 Jesus says, he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. Thomas in John 20:28 called him my Lord and God. In Titus 2:11-14, Jesus is refered to as the Great God and saviour. In 1 John 5:20 He is refered to as the true God and eternal life.

Barbara- it's possible; however, Jesus IS GOD, so when he breathed on them, he was giving them the Holy Spirit. A pastor is NOT God. IF the pastor has the Holy Spirit, and God so wills, the pastor laying hands upon or breathing on those who have received Christ CAN be the method God uses to Give the Holy Spirit to them. (If you read Acts; the apostles laid hands on people and the people received the Holy Spirit) Acts 8:14-17 - 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

John Chapter 20 is awesome...without the death of Jesus we would not have eternal life......
We have the Spirit of Christ that lives in us......and the Holly Spirit lives in us how awesome is that.......Thank You God

jesus went to the father and his body was glorify and he came back

It shows that Jesus was not God. Compare John 20:28. Jesus did not rebuke Thomas because as the writter of this chapter explained in the following verses who Jesus was. The son of God. John20:31

I love the story of Jesus, from the beginning to the end. Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the light. He also said, "After me there would be no more".

If I can follow in Jesus ways in truth and faith then my soul would be favored by God! Everyday is a trial, but I will never cease trying to do the will of God. It is also written that God and me are the mojority. (Saying all you need is God, to fight all your battles, take away all your worries, sorrow, and stress). OH how I love Thee!

Peace Be To Us All, and May God smile upon His children always and forever.

Does Thomas exclamation at John 20:28 prove that Jesus is truly God? Thomas answered him,'My Lord and my God! There is no objection to reffering to Jesus as "God,"if this is what Thomas had in mind. Such would be in harmony with Jesus own quotation from the Psalms in which powerful men, judges, were addressed as "gods."( John 10:34,35,RS; Ps 82:1-6) Of course, Christ occupies a position far higher than such men. Because of the uniqueness of his position in relation to Jehovah, at John 1:1(NW)Jesus is referred as the only-begotten god. Isaiah 9:6(RS) also prophetically descibes Jesus as "Mighty God," but not as the Almighty God. All of this is in harmony with Jesus' being described as " a god," or "divine at John 1:1. The context help us to draw the right conclusion from this. Shortly before Jesus' death, Thomas had herd Jesus' prayer in which he addressed his father as "the only true God."(John17:3) After Jesus' resurrection Jesus had sent a message to his apostles, including Thomas, in which he had said: "I am ascending...to my God and your God." ( John 20:17,RS) After recording what Thomas said when he actually saw and touched the resurrected Christ, the apostle John stated: These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name."( John 20:31,RS) So, if anyone has concluded from Thomas'exclamation that Jesus is himself "the only true God" or that Jesus is a Trinitarian "God the Son" he needs to look again at what Jesus himself said (vs.17) and at the conclusion that is clearly stated by the apostle John (vs.31).

Does John 1:1 prove that Jesus is God

John 1:1,RS:" In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God[also KJ,JB,Dy,Kx,NAB]" NE reads "what God was,the Word was." Mo says" the logos was divine." AT and Sd tell us "the Word was divine."The interlinear rendering of ED is a god was the word."NW reads the Word was a god";NTIV uses the same wording.
What is it that these translators are seeing in the Greek text that moves some of them to refrain from saying "the Word was God"? The definite artical(the)appears before the first occurrence of theos'(God) but not before the second. The articular (when the artical appears) construction of the noun point to an identity, a personality, wheras a singular anarthrous (with out the artical) predicate noun before the verb (as the sentence is constructed in Greek) point to a quality about someone. So the text is not saying that the Word (Jesus)was the same as the God with whom he was but, rather,that the word was godlike,divine,a god. What did the Johm mean when he wrote John 1:1? Did he mean that Jesus is himslf god or perhaps that Jesus is one God with the Father? In the same chapter, verse 18, John wrote: "No one["no man ,"KJ,Dy]has ever seen God; the only son ["the only begotten god NW],Who is in the bosom of the Father,he has made known."(RS) Had any human seen Jesus Christ,the Son? Of course! So, then ,was John saying that Jesus was God? Obviously not. Towards the end of his Gospel,John summarized matters, saying: "These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ[not God] the Son of God."- John 20:31.RS.

I thank God for letting his son come into this world to save the people some believe some recieve and some people will never unterstand the word of God study to show yourself aproved unto god a workman that need not to be a shame but rightly devide the word of truth 2Tim2;15

I think that we all need to pray to God for understanding of his word. There seems to be mass confusion here. The word plainly states; The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost, and these three are one. I was wondering why the disciples had such a hard time understanding what Jesus was telling them. Even when he said, the person he gave the sopped bread to would be the person who betrayed him, they still didn't get it. I suppose some people have ears but cannot hear, and eyes yet cannot see. People pray without ceasing. Be blessed.

Can one be with one and be one at the same time. verse 2 reafirms that the Word was with God.
Verse 18 says no NO ONE has seen God at ANY time!
Jesus explained him. Seeing Jesus was LIKE seeing
God because he was "the image of the invisible God
the first born of every creature" ( Col 1:15,2 Cor 4:4 Heb 1:3) in this way it can be said " I and the Father are one" ( John 10:30) & "he that has seen me has seen the Father" ( John 14:9) There is no mystery. Jesus is the the SON of the one and only true God ( John 17:3) He himself said I ascend unto my father and your father; and to my God and your God.( John 20:17)
This reasoning harmonizes with the whole Bible with no contradictions.

Can a preacher blow onto a member of his congregation to receive the HOLY SPIRIT?

Scriptures I like disputing the trinity
John 1 verse 2; John 1:14; John 20: 17; 1 John 1: 1-3; John 5: 26, 36, 37. Just a few.
Why did God�s prophets not teach it?
WHY, for thousands of years, did none of God�s prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the latest, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the �central doctrine� of faith?

Are Christians to believe that centuries after Christ and after having inspired the writing of the Bible, God would back the formulation of a doctrine that was unknown to his servants for thousands of years, one that is an �inscrutable mystery� �beyond the grasp of human reason,� one that admittedly had a pagan background and was �largely a matter of church politics�?

The testimony of history is clear: The Trinity teaching is a deviation from the truth, an apostatizing from it.

Jesus cleary says he is the Almighty in revelation! There is one God 3 eternal beings. Jesus is God in the flesh, this is why he is equal to the Father in nature but separate in personality. He is the Son beccause he is submissive to the Father.

only God can forgive sins in the gospel sense.Could it be The Lord Jesus was talking about the disciples forgiving others who sinned against them? - as he did "father forgive them,they don't know what they are doing"

The true meaning of this scripture is getting "lost in translation" as many have brought out. John clears up this debate when he summarizes the main idea of his book in John 20:31 which says �But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.�

So Jesus is the Son, not God himself. Jesus said �The Son is not greater than the Father� which doesn�t support the Trinitarian belief that they are the same and equal. In verse 14, John calls Jesus the only begotten. Begotten is a term used in the Bible when referring to offspring, something or someone created. God has no beginning or a creator so Jesus having been created cannot be God. He is the only begotten because he was Gods first direct creation and all other things God made through Jesus.

It says clearly in John 20:31. That Jesus is the son of God. Not the Almighty God. You are not wrong in saying that Jesus is a god, but he is not the Almighty God. 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 says that there are many gods and many lords but there is one God the Father. Satan is even refered to as a god, also idols, and other things people give their devotion to such as money. but they of course are not the Almighty God, The Father. So Jesus is a god but not The God.

If you don't beleive that Jesus was God then you shall die in your sins i am batized in the name of Jesus so my sin are remitting Act 2:38 read 1 Timothy 3:16 and read yourself If Jesus wan'nt God then who was he Jesus was manifest in the flesh God is a sprit a sprit could'nt die for us so God made hisself become a son to die for our sins he is the one Timothy talks about Jesus did all those things