Discuss John 18

  • Giannis - In Reply - 21 hours ago
    Hello Ronald, 1/2

    May I share my thoughts on what you posted?

    Mark 14:12, "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?:

    Matthew 26:17 agrres to that. Similarly Luke 22:7, "Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.

    And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat."

    So the meaning of Luke 22:15 is that Jesus actually ate the passover meal with his disciples.

    Now we know from Exodus 12:1-11, that the lambs were sacrificed in the evening of the 14th of Nisan and immediately after when it got dark and the 15th of Nisan started, according to how the Israelites were considering their days and nights, they ate the passover meal. Exodus 12:11, "And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover."

    But John disagrees to them. He places the Passover one day later. John 18:28, "Then led they (the Pharisses) Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."

    Having in mind that John wrote his gospel last of all, actually as the tradition says many decades after the first three evangelists, when he was in his 80's or 90's, and knew what they had written in their gospels, his story seems to be the right one. So it seems that Jesus ate the passover meal with His apostles one day earlier, probably because He knew that he would be in the tomb the day of the passover. If we see some details in the gospels of the first three, we get the same conclusion. Example: Mark 12:45, "And he BOUGHT fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre."
  • Woe - In Reply - 5 days ago
    I do not keep Passover, because Jesus fulfilled it. It is one of the ordinances taken out of the way and removed.

    Instead, I observe the Lord's Supper, which was instituted by Jesus in it's place.

    Verse 14 of John chapter 19: "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" No doubt they are preparing for the Passover. It is approaching.

    Jesus & the Disciples kept the Passover far earlier in the day, as the day began so it was many hours earlier than those who betrayed Him. They all kept it, but Jesus did it much earlier. Jesus did it at the start of the day. The Jews did it later in the day near sunset. Jesus' trial and Crucifixion happened fast. From betrayal to Crucifixion it was about 6 or so hours. So sometime near the end of the first 12 hours of the day, give or take, Jesus was placed upon the Cross. Remember a day starts in the evening as it begins to grow dark.

    John 18:28: Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: & it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.

    Jesus was on the cross as the lambs died.

    Jesus was placed in the tomb at Sunset the 14th, just prior to the Sabbath which began at Sunset. So hour 1 of the 15th began at sundown at about 7pm.

    Counting forward. 24 hours, we are at Sunset on the 15th at about 7pm. So hour 1 of the 16th began.

    Counting forward 24 hours and we are at Sunset of the 16th. Which was Friday. At Sunset Friday, Saturday begins at about 7pm.

    Counting forward 24 hours, just prior to Sunset Saturday, Jesus Christ is Resurrected, fulfilling the 72 hours He told us He would be in the grave. He is raised from the tomb the same time He was placed in the tomb.

    3x24 is 72. This is THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS, JUST AS JESUS STATED.

    At Sunset on Saturday, Sunday begins about 7pm. At this point, Jesus has already left the tomb and been Resurrected.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 6 days ago
    Hello Woe,

    I read the article you shared and would like to clarify a few points regarding the Passover. According to Luke 22:15-16, Jesus wanted to eat the Passover with His disciples before He suffered, but He did not partake in it He knew He would die at the same time as the Passover lambs, so He would not be there on the 15th.

    In Exodus 12, we see that lambs were killed on the 14th of Nisan, known as Passover Day, which is also a preparation day for the 7-day Feast of Unleavened Bread that begins on the 15th. The Passover meal was consumed on the night of the 15th.

    John 18:28 shows that on the 14th, the same day Jesus had the Last Supper in the morning the priests would not enter the judgment hall because they would be defiled and could not catch the blood of the Passover lambs and pour it into the altar or eat the Passover if they were defiled.

    The article's author is mistaken in claiming that Jesus and His disciples ate the Passover on Tuesday, as Scripture does not support this.

    In summary, the 14th of Nisan is Passover Day and a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which begins on the 15th. The lambs were killed in the evening of the 14th any time after the sun started to go down.

    Scripture is clear there were 5 days from when Jesus rode into Jerusalem to when He was crucified, the Scriptures should show if studied in my other post. He rode in on the first day of the week and He was crucified on the fifth day of the week this is what the Scripture tells us.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • David0921 - 3 months ago
    What is the TRUE GOSPEL? (Part 4)

    The True Gospel is transparent to nationality or economic status or political standing. It has nothing to do with economic prosperity or with socio-political issues. When the churches become involved in political activism or social or economic issues, they forget that the task of the believers is to be an ambassador of the kingdom of God. When Jesus was placed on trial for his life at the behest of the chief priests, Jesus said to Pontius Pilate:

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    Concerning political rulers, the Bible commands in Romans 13:1-5 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

    The true gospel has been emasculated in our day as the churches have become more involved with the social and physical and political issues of the day, which in themselves have nothing to do with the true gospel.

    Even more significant, virtually every church today proclaims a man-made do-it-yourself gospel of grace plus works where they will tell you how to become saved.

    The TRUE GOSPEL is beautifully expressed in Eze 36 & Jer 29. God does 100% of the work of Salvation. Read Jonah 3 and Joel 2:12-14.
  • Chris - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Thanks brother Jesse for these very helpful notes to better understand the KJB as taken from the Greek. As to your point on the 39 lashes punishment, I believe this is taken from Deuteronomy 25:1-3, where 40 lashes were prescribed, but to avoid going over that number, whether through a miscount or by breaking the Law, 39 lashes were given. This number wouldn't apply to the Roman form of scourging I'm sure, or was Pilate under some control by the Jewish leaders concerning this type of punishment ("Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me" John 18:35)? Blessings.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 37):

    John 18:23 - Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?

    If I have spoken evil, (literally inappropriately), bear witness of the evil: but if I have spoken well, (that is, according the lines of the law), why do you smite me?

    John 18:35 - Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

    Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Here, the Greek text expects the answer no. "I am not a Jew, am I?"

    John 18:36 - Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    Literally, it is in the Imperfect Tense with a Subjunctive Particle that means, "Up until now, my servants would have been fighting if my kingdom is from out of the earth as a source, so that I would not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from here."

    John 19:1 - Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him.

    So, Pilate takes Jesus, and scourged (MASTIGOO) him, the MASTIKS. The whipping of Jews and the whipping of the Romans are two different kinds. The Jews had ropes with pieces of metal and glass and bone all wrapped up in these strips and they will take someone and tie them up and just take the whip and beat them. But they will only beat them 39 times. Why 39, I'm not sure?

    Most people never made it through the whipping before they died. And if they didn't die, they were taken to the cross with all of their insides showing.

    It was a terrible thing to go through. The Roman way was even worse. They didn't just use ropes, but they used a solid rod like a fishing rod to make the whipping have more leverage. They too had the cat-o-nine tails, the glass and the lead, and the rocks. And they would beat you for as long as they wanted to. That's what they did to Jesus. They beat Him.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 36):

    John 18:3 - Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

    The word band actually means a cohort of soldiers, which was a group of some 600 soldiers. It's a SPERA in Greek. So, Judas had 600 soldiers with him, and officers. These would be the temple police. So not only does he have an army contingent, but he also has the temple police. Some of the historians say that there were at least 1,000 people that came out to take Jesus. They came from the chief priests and Pharisees. They came there with lanterns and torches and weapons. The word weapons means clubs.

    John 18:5 - They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

    They answered and said to Him, Jesus of Nazareth, or more literally, the Greek text says Jesus the Nazarene.

    Jesus said unto them, and please follow closely because the Greek text is different than any of the English translations (including the King James). Jesus said unto them I AM.

    He didn't say "he". Jesus asks, "Who are you looking for?" They respond, "Jesus the Nazarene." He says, I AM, (EGO EMI). That is the name of God in the Old Testament. Our English text is a little weak here and somewhat diminishes who Christ is, God Himself!

    John 18:8 - Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

    Jesus answered, I have told you that I AM (not I am he): if therefore you are seeking me, and in the Greek, this is called a first-class condition assumed to be true. He is saying since therefore you are seeking me, and check this out because this is a command in the Greek text: He says, "let these go their way:" He is not asking permission. It is a command, Imperative Mood!
  • Andre4risca - 4 months ago
    Hey Oseas,

    Thanks again for your thoughtful reply! I really appreciate the depth of your insights and your commitment to finding the Truth.

    1. Earth's Age:

    I totally get your skepticism about both the 6,000-year and 4.54 billion-year views. Science uses methods like radiometric dating to estimate the Earth's age, but it's always evolving. On the other hand, religious interpretations vary, with some seeing the creation story as symbolic. I think science explains "how" things work, while religion covers the "why."

    2. Isaiah 40:21-22 - The Circle of the Earth:

    You mentioned Isaiah saying God "sits upon the circle of the earth." Whether that's literal or poetic, the key takeaway for me is that God's perspective is way bigger than ours-like we're tiny grasshoppers in comparison.

    3. John 17:4-5 - Jesus' Existence Before Creation:

    Jesus' prayer about being glorified with the Father before the world began highlights His eternal nature. He was there from the start, making everything through Him ( John 1:3). It's a powerful reminder of His divine role in creation.

    4. John 1:18 - No One Has Seen God:

    This verse points to Jesus as the way we understand God. Even though no one has seen God, Jesus, who is one with the Father, makes Him known to us. It shows how Jesus bridges the gap between us and the divine.

    5. The Search for Truth:

    I agree with you that Truth is the most important thing. When Pilate asked "What is truth?" ( John 18:38), Jesus answered it in John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life." For me, that's the ultimate truth-everything else helps us get closer to understanding that.

    Thanks again for the great discussion! I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 35):

    John 17:24 - Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

    Father, I will, (literally I wish), I desire, that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; in order that they may behold my glory. And the word "behold" is the word view, to actually see the very substance and nature and character of God Himself.

    John 18:1 - When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

    It says, when Jesus had spoken these words, and that would be everything in Chapters 13 through 17 ending off with the prayer.

    But when Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth (or went out) with His disciples over the brook Cedron. This would be the Kidron Valley right between Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives.

    It's called the Brook Kidron (or Cedron) because it flows in the winter time, and that's what the word "brook" means in Greek. It means winter flow. So, over the brook Cedron, where there was a garden. And this is at the foot or the base of the Mount of Olives, into which He entered, and His disciples. This is the place where Jesus spent many of his evenings with the disciples.

    John 18:2 - And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.

    And Judas also, which betrayed Him. And in the Greek text, the word "betrayed" is a Present Participle, the one who is in the process of betraying Him. He knew the place: Judas had gone there many times before with Jesus and the disciples.

    For Jesus often times resorted (or gathered) there with his disciples.

    So, He knew that Judas had gone out. He's finished instructing the disciples. So, He goes to the garden where Judas knows where to find Him.
  • Bennymkje - 6 months ago
    1 Ti.4:1 "Sprit of the times"

    "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."

    Spirit of the times is spirit of doctrines which have a form of godliness but denying the power of God. Man having the gift of the gab gathers a following and such a one was Theudas was a populist leader, one who would have taken a bullet for democracy and he did gather a party. "For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to naught."(Ac.5:36) Judas followed and Acts of the Apostles tells, "After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed." Seducing spirits whip up doctrines and man shall take up to sow mischief and garner public support. The Spirit is still that of the devil. Nationalism is such. Jesus would have none of it. "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."( John 18:36) Yet what makes the churches still pursue it? They do not want to know word of God and the spiritual demand on their lives, it is a total surrender. Instead what does the spirit of times teach these Christians? "Never surrender." What do they care abou walking in faith and not by sight? What conspiracy theories they swallow and yet call themselves Christians. This is what makes worst specimens of human race pass for their champions, so they wage a cultural war for them. "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:/That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Greetings in Christ JESUS, SeanPaul'

    Yes,certainly,as you said,GOD HIMSELF manifested himself to the Hebrews through the OT;which was written by the twenty-four elders,starting with Moses,understand?By the way,JESUS said GOD is Spirit- John 4:24-,what is the name of the invisible Spirit of GOD?Well,GOD had said in the beginning- Genesis 1:26(the beginning is JESUS,who is the LITERAL IMAGE of GOD,He is GOD)-, yes, GOD had said:"Let us make man in OUR image,after OUR likeness", then, both are One, and as we can see, since ancient times, since Genesis, GOD revealed He would be made flesh.

    By the prophet Isaiah,who is one of the 24 elders,GOD again revealed He would be made flesh, and around 2000 years ago He LITERALLY fulfilled His promise- John 1:14-and what is the NAME that GOD chose for He Himself? The NAME that GOD chose for He Himself was/is JESUS - JOSHUA-. Luke 1:26-the angel GABRIEL was sent FROM GOD(the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing) unto a city of Galilee,named Nazareth,and said to Mary:behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his NAME JESUS. He shall be great, and called the Son of the Highest: the Lord GOD(the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing) shall give unto Him the throne of His father David.

    Remember: The Jews said to JESUS: John 8:41-we have one Father, even God. And JESUS said to the Devil, father of the Jews-Yahweh:It is written,Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the MOUTH OF GOD-Mat.4:4.

    Psalms 110:1combined with Hebrews 1:8(plus Matthew 25:11, James 2:1, Isaiah 49:14, Luke 20:42, 1 Corinthians 9:1) -

    GOD said to the Lord JESUS:Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Kingdom.

    KJV Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 26:4 LORD=JEHOVAH; ->JEHOVAH is another esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist nickname of the father of the Jews.

    Luke 16:5 lord=a King or one of authority,yes, see John 18:37.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi Spencer and Jaz

    It is true that it is surprizing also to me that the grk word "aion" (age/time) is used sometimes in the NT instead of the word "world" because in modern grk it means "century". So I have done a research and came up that in ancient grk it had the meaning apart from "a very long period of time", it also had the meaning of "the period of time a person lives".

    So it was used in conjuction to people"s lives. And it seems that sometimes (but not always) the writers of the NT use it for the time that this world/humanity exists. And with that meaning it is used in Mat 28. With the same meaning it also used by Luke in Luke 16:8, by Paul in Rom 12:2 and Ephesians 6:12 where Paul talks about the "rulers of the darkness of this world" , where the word "age/time" is used for "world".

    But in other verses the world "kosmos" which is the actual grk word for "world" is used, ie in John 18:20, also John 16:11 where John talks about "the prince of this world". (compare it with Ephesians 6:12 that talks about the same thing). So as a final conclusion those two words are interchanged for "world".

    Spencer:

    "Kosmos" in anc grk means "mankind, humanity". In mod grk it means everything, people, animals, plants. land.

    "Oikoumene" means the places/land on earth where people are living.

    Also the word "ktisis" is used for world, it means "creation".

    Well this is enough with lessons in Greek. Confusing? We have to trust those scholars who have done a very good job in translating the NT. There isn't a perfect translation, all translations lack in some things, even modern greek can not match with ancient greek in meanings. As a conclusion all translations are more or less good. There is no actual error when other words are used as long as the meaning of the text is right. Some go word for word, others not, but there are more understandable than the former ones. Everybody has their favourite translation. We can always use 2 or more when we are not sure what it is meant. GBU
  • Bennymkje - 11 months ago
    Re.11:7 "The beast" (2 of 2)

    The kingdom entrusted to Jesus was not of this world. "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." ( John 18:36). God made angels spirits and ministers flaming fire, which Elisha could see for which faith is required. Instead what does the false prophet do? "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men." The source for this elsewhere and like the magicians in the court of Pharaoh resisted Moses and God. Similarly the beast wields people power while the anti-Christ spoke as the dragon would, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." (Re.13:11,13)

    With this background the early church had to contend with the Jews, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie."(Re.3:9) Herod had spawned a political movement. Authority of Herod was as with the beast came from Satan. "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." 42 months include such temporal powers, each one resisting God. Nationalism of the Idumaean line was propped up by Imperial Rome. And is it of any surprise when Christianity became the official religion, and absorbed the culture of the Church of Rome,- Christian nationalism and culture wars are tares planted by the enemy.

    "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."(12:11) The two witnesses, 'loved not their lives unto the death'. Jesus assures, " For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it."(Matt.16:25)
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    "Deuteronomy, the Book of" (2 of 2)

    "And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book...that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them. " (17:18-19). Moses was in fact referring to the coming of their king who however would not need a nation per se that was not upright in their heart. For this reason Jesus before Pilate declares, "My kingdom is not of this world."( John 18:36)

    In his lament over Jerusalem he gives us a reason why. Their love of God was as superficial as their kingdom, which would not endure. "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate"(Matt.23:38)

    To recap: The fifth of the Pentateuch matches with the Book of Psalms, also in five fold divisions. The Spirit uses numbers as tags to indicate the word of God is as much essential for the inner man as is for a child of God to be perfected. (See entry under N-Numbers/Five)

    (See entry under P- Psalms, The Book of)
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Kinsman Redeemer

    Part 1.

    The term "Kinsman Redeemer" (Hebrew: Goel, [H1350] translated: "kinsman"

    Num. 5:8; 27:11; Ruth 2:1; 3:9, 12, 13; 4:1, 3, 6, 8, 14; John 18:26; Romans 16:11) is the title for a position of responsibility within an Old Testament Hebrew family which was established by God.

    This individual was entrusted with the ability to protect, as well as seeking justice when a family member was wronged; as a way of maintaining righteousness within the tribal society of Israel.

    We might refer to this position as the godfather of the Hebrews, yet in a legal and moral function, as compared to one of criminality and abuse.

    The idea of the Kinsman Redeemer held two different functions / roles within the same title.

    1st, was the function / role of the "Goel" or Redeemer.

    The idea was that if a man died without children, normally his brother, or Goel (Next in line of kinship), had an obligation to raise seed to the dead brother so as to keep his posterity going, along with the inheritance of the land.

    He redeemed that man's progeny, this is referred to as the "Levirate law."

    2nd, was the function / role of the "Avenger of Blood"

    When a "wrong" (Crime) was done to a single member of the family; it was considered a crime against the entire tribe, yet the responsibility was left to kinsman-Redeemer.

    It should be remembered that at this time there was no social governmental structure within Israel that would carry on this function.

    And even after there was a governmental structure installed, the kinsman-Redeemer still had the responsibility to maintain order and leadership within the family, wherein the government might utilize a punishment of those that had violated a tribe member, this did not override the role of the kinsman-Redeemer.

    In the case of a murder committed, the kinsman-Redeemer would fulfill Justice by killing the murderer himself.

    This was not looked at as revenge, but justice.

    See Part 2.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Matt.15:1-9 "In vain"

    "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

    One of the darkest chapters in the Church history was demonstrated in Germany when it was mandatory for the service in churches to be conducted while Hitler's Mein Kampf and The Bible side by side. This came about firstly by hijacking the name of Luther as he godfather for the regime on the basis of this Augustinian monk sided with powers-that- be during the Peasant Revolt 1520-30. He sided on the basis of ("Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation-"Ro.13:1-3) This is not the doctrine of Jesus who said, "My kingdom is not of this world"( John 18:36). It came in turn from doctrine of his Father. Luther having won the support of temporal powers against the Church of Rome merely returned the favor. But during the 1000-year Reich his position became the tradition, ("Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition."-v.6). This is the problem which we have in the selected passage. There are not middle ground between God and mammon in which you hide. "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (12:30) How Luther scattered the gift of God abroad so the Satanic cult in 1940 would drag the church through mud serves as a stark warning in our own culture wars. What shall Christians face some centuries hence?
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    The True Gospel (part 4)

    The true gospel is transparent to nationality or economic status or political standing. It has nothing to do with economic prosperity or with socio-political issues. When the churches become involved in political activism or social or economic issues, they forget that the task of the believers is to be an ambassador of the kingdom of God. When Jesus was placed on trial for his life at the behest of the chief priests, Jesus said to Pontius Pilate ( John 18:36)

    36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    Concerning political rulers, the Bible commands in Romans 13

    1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

    The true gospel has been emasculated in our day as the churches have become more involved with the social and physical and political issues of the day, which in themselves have nothing to do with the true gospel. Sure, Jesus fed the 5,000 who had come to hear him, but that was not his primary mission, and later we read in John 6:15

    15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

    Continued in part 5
  • Oseas - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:14 - 1 year ago
    "Tunney"

    Without JESUS it is IMPOSSIBLE to exist peace not only in the Jerusalem, but in the nation of Israel as a whole. By the way, the Holy City, where also our Lord was crucified, is now spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. You know that JESUS prophesied the Temple would be destroyed, saying: "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down"- Matthew 24:2- , and it LITERALLY fulfilled in the year 70AD, and Israel was scattered around the world until 1948, i.e.1878 years of severe punishments and curses in LITERAL fulfilment of Deusteronomy 28:15-68, 53 verses of terrible chastisements-Take a look. The dispersed people of Israel have never had peace in the last two millennia. And NOW? The WORST will come now, even now, from now on, because the Day of Vengeance arrived, understand? 2Thes.1:7-9; combined with Matthew 24:15-25.

    7 ... the Lord JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, (angels? Luke 20:35-36.Take a look)

    8 In flaming FIRE taking VENGEANCE on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord JESUS Christ:

    9 Who shall be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;

    Remember: Pilatos asked to the Jews: John 18:39-40

    39 Ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the KING of the JEWS?

    40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

    JESUS said: John 5:43-I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name(an IMPOSTOR, a FALSE MESSIAH), him ye will receive. (This prophecy of our Lord JESUS will LITERALLY be fulfilled in days ahead)

    2 Do ye know that the saints shall Judge the world?

    Re.1:7 Behold,JESUS cometh with clouds( Acts 1:9-11-take a look)and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 1 year ago
    There is nothing new under the sun. Amen. I shall answer this part,"Jesus feeding the multitude was to show who he was the new King of the Jews the Son of God the messiah as promised, this was foreshadowing Jesus. According to 2nd Kings 4:38-44. He was not there to the will of God which is complete and for this reason he avoided being made a king by a section of the people John 6 :14-15. He categorically rejected the idea and he testified,"My kingdom is not of this world" ( John 18:36)

    God sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions" (Ps.107:20) Prophet Isaiah connects this to the word gone out of his mouth that shall never return to him in void. (Is.55:11) So Elijah raising the son or Elisha healing the pottage were all done as a stand in for Jesus who is the Word become flesh.

    Multiplying of loaves in the Gospel must be set in context of Ec.11:1-2. "Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days./ Give a portion to seven, and also to eight." The same verse from Isaiah and the Spirit refers to the manner Jesus died ,perfecting the will concerning him (number seven) and preaching unto souls in prison (number eight). Narrative mode of the Spirit and usage of numbers have been covered so the newness to which you allude makes our born again experience as 'new'. It is only in terms of it. The new heaven and new earth is subjective experience of every saint redeemed from the earth. God shall never require correction or recall of his will. (Re.21:1)

    Ge.1:1 is annotated by He.11:3 His word made the worlds appear by faith. The earth is the visible image of God so the Preacher says, "The earth abides forever"(Ec.1:4) All things are set in context of the Son. "All things were created by him, and for him:/ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.(Col.1:16-17) So Elisha serves as a double for the Son, and every other holy men of old.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Matt.1:11 "The curse"

    "And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon."

    What role does a curse play in the genealogy in the generation of Jesus Christ?

    Jermiah records it, "Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah." (Je.22:28-30) He was an ancestor of Joseph, the husband of Mary. The Spirit gives us the difference between Jesus, the son of David and the son of Abraham. This is the difference between the humanity and the deity of Jesus. When Jesus avoided being taken by some who wanted to proclaim him as the king he was true to his calling. "My kingdom is not of this world." ( John 18:36)

    He came to the world to be a curse for us. "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree." (Gal.3:13) Deity of Jesus suffered ignominy of death on a cross but from his resurrection he sent a clear signal that he is the Redeemer. (Jesus cursing the fig tree must be explained in not recognizing that he was without sin and was blessed of his Son.)

    The generation of Jesus is based upon faith (the man) the Word (the Law) and the word became flesh. In studying Gospels for that matter the Bible without applying the three creates heresy. His religion,-'faith with works' works because he denies himself , takes up his cross and follows Jesus Christ. Abiding in Christ is life everlasting.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    1 Sa.Ch..20-22 "Conclusion" (2 of 2)

    "And David said unto Ahimelech the priest, The king hath commanded me a business, and hath said unto me, Let no man know any thing of the business whereabout I send thee, and what I have commanded thee: and I have appointed my servants to such and such a place(21:1-2)". This would consequently cost the lives of 85 priests including that of Ahimelech.

    When Jesus was brought before Pilate,"Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice( John 18:37)".

    Jesus spoke truth since he being the truth he could not have denied anymore than his Father who as the verse says"he cannot deny himself(2 Ti.2:13b)".

    David was 'a man after my heart' the Scripture bears testimony but he was forbidden to build a house for God."But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight(1 Chr.22:8)". Needless blood of the priests also must be included therein.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Deuteronomy, the Book of

    (2 of 2)

    What Moses intended with the second law, for their king as the history of Israel would show was like a kingdom built upon sand. "And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book...that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them. " (17:18-19). Moses was in fact referring to the coming of their king who however would not need a nation per se that was not upright in their heart. For this reason Jesus before Pilate declares, "My kingdom is not of this world."( John 18:36)

    In his lament over Jerusalem he gives us a reason why. Their love of God was as superficial as their kingdom, which would not endure. "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate"(Matt.23:38)

    To recap: The fifth of the Pentateuch matches with the Book of Psalms, also in five fold divisions. The Spirit uses numbers as tags to indicate the word of God is as much essential for the inner man as is for a child of God to be perfected.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Agnostic 73

    Here are the verses you refer to. "Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus./ Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? ( John 18:10-11)

    One disciple having a sword came handy to Simon Peter who was quick to react often to his sorrow. He did it on the spur of moment sensing danger to his master. Why would disciples carry staff? It supports one who must move from place to place with no permanent place of abode. En route it can deter wild animals dogs from coming closer. Similarly a sword is convenient to have at hand.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Concluding thoughts on national sovereignty vs one world order

    In the end; he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. ( Matt. 26:52; also see Revelation 13:10). As Christians we are to remain as salt and light to resist the decay that the current world system under Satanic influence is headed toward. Similarly; we should not cede to others things that are inalienable rights that our forefathers fought so hard for and is enacted in our Constitution and other important legal documents as to how a Republic is to be run. We shouldn't; however make that our priority; as His Kingdom is not of this world ( John 18:36). We see ways; for instance with certain bitcoin currencies how we can be in an internationally accepted means of exchange (for now) which is an alternative to the electronic cash and other efforts governments and private banks are attempting to control the narrative and our lives. It is hard to say if we do have a sort of one world government how far it will progress before the Tribulation; peace is taken from the earth at the 2nd Seal; that leaves us to wonder if it is just a type of peace that is in effect since just the first seal or if it has lasted a while.

    One world religion again is something that is developing; we are responsible to hold onto the Philadelphian type church and patiently endure as Revelation 3:10 states until the Lord comes back to receive our reward even with little strength. We must avoid any false revival and not expect mass conversions at a time when many are said to fall away if we are indeed in the last days ( 1 Timothy 4:1 and also see Matthew 24:10). If we live in a world system where we have to pay taxes then of course we need wisdom. The plans are clear from the "powers that be" (without having to name the source) that in a few short years we are supposed to be content losing property and any private ownership. So be it; if the Gospel is preached we can let go these temporal things for His Name's sake.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Psalm 1:3

    (2/2)

    What it means to live by fruit of our lips? "From the fruit of his mouth a man eats what is good, but the desire of the treacherous is for violence."(Pr.13:2-ESV) Mouth that utters knowledge is compared to the plants and how fruit develops from flowers. Think of Maigret's painting 'The Son of Man'. Where the lips ought to be we see the apple under his bowler hat. The Spirit similarly transfers the fruit of the word hidden in his soul into works that can be understood. "A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth;andwith the increase of his lips shall he be filled."(Pr.18:20)

    In Deuteronomy we see the word connecting heart of man where belly represents the inner man and mouth, the world of the flesh and blood. Moses admonishes the nation, "Therefore choose life." (De.30:14,19) How did the nation of Israel choose? "The governor again said to them, "Which of the two do you want me to release for you?" And they said, "Barabbas." (Matt.27:21-ESV)

    Lips from the above can be lifted to represent the state and the Word of God, as Moses and Aaron represented the civil and ecclesiastical governments respectively. The children of darkness chose Barabbas because he was one of them. Such choices mark the history of the church. Pagan state versus the early church was one such moment and who won, not the word of God. Advent of Luther and Calvin did not help the case either. The miry clay of church still struggles to come to compromise with the nationalism representing the state. Jesus rejected the idea of setting a civil government before he had perfected the will of his Father. ( John 18:36). Yet temporal power is so attractive to those who serve both God and man; and they need not expect any reward beyond the mess they helped create. Look about us to see what I mean.
  • Frankie J - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Tdinanne

    I've addressed your commenters, than your particular question, please forgive me

    As I consider your comment,

    You stated, that you are saved, & yet it appears that you don't know God's Voice.

    Friend,,,,Its impossible for one to be saved & not know His Voice.for how could He lead you out of darkness into His marvelous light without learning to know His Voice in the working out of your salvation ?

    John 10:3,4

    You stated, that you believe that you still need to do what is right to get to heaven, this is very true, God has place this within your heart, never let that go.

    You stated, don't we need to obey the ten commandment? This would be a good start & yet the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus exceeds the law of Moses. Matt 5:20-48

    You stated, I get so confused listening to different people preach, how do you know which one is right?

    Jesus said, John 18:37 Love the TRUTH, & you will learn His Voice, the still small Voice of conscience that accuses you when you do something wrong or excuses you when you do something right Rom 2:15

    This Treasure we have in our earthen vessel 2Cor 4:6, The Light of His Spirit, seek Him there

    in love & truth
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi 510.

    "The Lord has won the battle for us".

    You may not find it written like that in the scripture.

    However that fact to be true but the battle isn't over as long as we're in the world.

    Scripture records the end and all things will be made new.

    We still have our adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour as mentioned in 1 Peter 5:8.

    We also have this flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would as mentioned in Galatians 5:17.

    In John 16:33 Jesus says; "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world".

    Jesus said in John 18:36. "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD:

    There's a heavenly kingdom yet to come!

    Today he's calling out a people unto himself.

    We were redeemed from this foreign cursed land by the precious blood of Christ as Peter mentioned in 1 Peter 1:17-19 as well as them of old who came before us as mentioned in Hebrews 11:13.

    With that being said we are to be ambassadors for Christ. One who goes to a foreign country to do the business of he who sent you,

    Satan is the prince of this world we live in.

    I hope this helps and perhaps others would like to add,

    God bless.
  • GIGI - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Alex,

    The "now" does not always mean "at this present time" as you take it to mean in John 18:36. It is also used as an interjectory word as in Matthew 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise:" Matthew was not saying that Jesus was being born at that present time he wrote this gospel. In the same way, Jesus, after saying once that His kingdom was not of this world, He reiterates what He just said using the word "now" in the same way as Matthew did in Matthew 1:18.
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    GiGi Gbu....But Jesus neva said his kingdom was not of this world.... John 18:36...What he actually said was my Kingdom is NOT NOW of this world...Gi Gi you leave out the (NOT NOW) to keep your false doctrine of no kingdom on this earth..Which is not true.

    .....But Rev.11:15 is very clear....The Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER...No offence Gi Gi But you do greatly err...And God sends an angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth... Rev 14:6...Do you see the folly of your doctrine...of no kingdom on this earth...And Jesus sends his disciples to preach the gospel to ALL THE WORLD TO every creature....And sends the manchild the H.G. that Child of Promise to rule ALL NATIONS...Why wd God do all these things if there were no kingdom on this beautiful earth....Beautiful for situation simply b/c its gonna be situated in our hearts where the KINGDOM SEED IS SOWN

    ....And Isaiah 11:9...( says that KNOWLEGE shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...Thats y he wants to KNOW US...Remember that tree of KNOWLEGE in the Garden of God...And Habakkuk 2:14...Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas and the Earth shall be full of the GLORY OF THE LORD....(THE KINGDOM)....This knowledge is an intimacy that is gona result in a birth of Christ in everyone...Thats y Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6...We are gonna birth a baby Christ which is the H.G...That Child of Promise...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me...Jesus plainly tells us the Kingdom of God will come as a man who sows seed in his field....And he said the field is our hearts the world....But we must remember that this is the bridegroom speaking...Thats y he has to know us in order to sow that heavenly seed in our hearts....Which is a baby Christ...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in no wise enter there in...The man child.
  • Ronald Whittemore - 1 year ago
    Did Jesus eat the Passover? Tradition or scripture? Does it matter? For study not to offend.

    Passover Day when the lambs were killed is the 14th of Abib/Nisan. Exodus 12:3-33 Leviticus 23:5 Numbers 33:1-3 Mark 14:12 Luke 22:7

    The 15th of Abib/Nisan is the first day of the 7-day Unleavened Bread Feast, first day and the last day are Sabbath days, it starts at sundown and is when they ate the Passover and after midnight they left Egypt. Numbers 33:1-3 Deuteronomy 16:1-8

    From the Last Supper to the burial, Matt. 26:17-75 Matt. 27:1-61 Mark 14:12-72 Mark 15:1-47 Luke 22:1-71 Luke 23:1-56 John 13:1-38 through John 19:1-42.

    This day started at sunset. On this day we have Jesus and his disciples going into the guest chamber, they ate a meal, Jesus initiated the New Covenant, they sang songs, Jesus washed their feet, and they were there for hours. They went to Gethsemane where Jesus prayed, Judas came with the priests and a band of men and officers,

    They took Jesus to Annias and Caiaphas and was judged. Then early that morning they took Him to Pilate and Herod and back and they said crucify Him. They nailed Jesus to the cross the 3rd hour, 9 AM, Jesus died at the 9th hour, 3 PM, and was put in the tomb, all this in one day, before the sunset, the 14th of Abib/Nisan Passover day.

    In Luke 22:14-16 Jesus told them He was not going to eat this Passover with them. In John 18:28 they would not go in the hall, they would be defiled because they have not eaten the Passover, and later that day they had to catch the blood and put it on the altar.

    The Passover meal was eaten after sunset and before midnight, the 15th of Abib/Nisan, Jesus was in the tomb.

    Jesus was the Passover Lamb and the First and the Last. He was nailed to the cross at the same time the first Tamid Lamb was sacrificed, all the sin sacrifices were put on top and He died at the same time the last Tamid Lamb was sacrificed and put on top.

    Hopefully, this is enough to study.

    God bless,

    RLW


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