As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:72Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Momsage thank you for your kind words and for your comment. Its good to have another KJB believer on this site, you are very much welcomed here. It is really sad that so many people including pastors are using modern version bibles today, that is a prophecy being fulfilled ( 2 Tim 4:3-4) v3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;"
v4 says "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables". They turn from the truth?
( John 17:17) "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth". They turn from the True Word of God, the KJB!
( Ps 119:89) "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven".
That means the Word of God will never change! Yet every modern version bible does (change) the words.
There's a site that you might really like, it shows patterns that only God could have been in control of in translating the KJB, and the KJB ONLY.
Search (Truth is Christ) on youtube and watch some of the videos, it proves the KJB is the True Inspired Word of God.
This will be a really good tool for you to use in Bible study if you want to compare Bibles, it called (Bible Hub).
I do look forward to seeing you post some of your future Bible studies on the KJB.
You were a JOINT HEIR with Christ at his RESURRECTION.
Only ONE BODY was raised at his resurrection.
You became the body of Christ, no longer having a heart of stone, but Christ gave you his heart, no longer a carnal mind, Christ gave you his mind.
Your carnal mind is DESTROYED by constantly repeating the scriptures that affirm the WORKS of his resurrection.
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou gavest me; I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE as we are ONE.
Isaiah 59:21 As for me (the Father), this is my covenant with them (his creation, by the works of the cross of Christ), the words that I (the Father) have put in your (Christ's) mouth, SHALL NOT depart out of your (Christ's) mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED (being resurrected as joint heirs with Christ), nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, henceforth and forever.
The wages of SIN (unbelief) is DEATH.
The gift of BELIEF is eternal LIFE.
1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light......
John 17:22 .... that they may be ONE, as we are ONE.
1John 1:3 John was speaking on the other side of the baptizmal of the Christ, he knew in power of being dead unto sin,
& the power of the resurrection of Christ within Him, joining Him to Christ & the Father John 17:21-24 in a consummate intimate fellowship which he explains to His children "that your joy maybe full, which they had & are experiencing in a measure; as they continue in the working out of their salvation, steadfast & confident unto the end.
We ourselve experience an increase in joy of this fellowship as He takes away our sin, & we don't return to them. His Presence increases in our lives, receving more of His Spirit by the hearing & obedience of Faith, which gives & increases us in what John say later "an understanding" 1John 5:20 & a part of this understanding is Philippians 4:13 which we have received.
Could non-believers read this epistles & become believers, of course; Mark 9:23 This is the heart of God Isa 49:6Acts 13:47
It is not ourselves but it is God who has brought us into the Fellowship of God and Man. This is the gift of God. (Ep.2:8-10) Jesus speaks of it from his POV, "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."( John 17:2) Glory of the word like seed finding the right soil so wisdom is a deep calling unto deep,- which in this case is the power and he has power over all who would benefit from. He knew who were his. "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."(17:12) That the scripture might be fulfilled sets him the soul, the knowing part so we have Adam as the double revealing another aspect of the Son. As the Son of man he knew what was in the man of man. "But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him./And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."( John 6:63-64)
It pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell.
"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."
The Spirit invests in Adam the same qualities that Christ as the brightness of His glory displayed. As the Good shepherd he revealed his Father the Shepherd of souls(1 Pe.2:25).
Do you see Jesus doing this type of activity? Would this further your growth in His Divine Nature, His image & likeness, walking as He walk? or would it be conforming to this world image & likeness?
Friend,
we been brought with a price 1Cor 6:21
live unto themselves, but to Him 2Cor 5:16
Ryant, the difference between all that are call & the few that are chosen is that they obey from the heart the Truth that had been shown them, & as they prove their faithfulness in the measure of Grace given, God gave the increase, eventually united them with Himself.
John 5:43 I (the man, Jesus Christ) come in my Father's NAME and ye receive me (the spirit of truth) not: if another MAN come is his OWN NAME, him ye will receive.
You know them by their fruits.
Not their appearance, the words from their lips.
Isaiah 57:19 ..... I CREATE the FRUIT of the LIPS ..... ONLY when one is BAPTISED into the NAME of Jesus ...... does ones lips speak the same words as OUR LORD, the overseer of out lips.
Psalms 17:4 Concerning the works of men, by the words of THY LIPS (that that may be ONE as WE ARE ONE John 17:22) I have keep me from the paths of the destroyer.
Psalms 12:4 Who hath said.... our lips are our own......
I rejoice to read & understand more from the thoughts of your heart, the inner workings of God's Spirit within, the sincerity, humility, earnestness & simplicity in which you endeavors to love & obey the Lord. Thank you for sharing yourself.
Yes God knew, but in all fairness, Adam must have had also the opportunity to obey as we ourselves now have.
You description of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience is accurate, but lets finish the verse, "sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus, For His life is in the Blood Lev 17:11,14 it not only cleanses but implants the Divine nature. As we continue steadfastly exercising of the doctrines of Christ, I'm speaking of Grace appearance "the hearing the living Word of God, that's near us even in our heart & in our mouth, the word of Faith that Paul preach, here the power of Life is felt & known, not letter learning. 2Cor 3:6
Sanctification "making holy" is describe in Titus 3:5 unto the new creature, being born again by this Incorruptible Seed.
The Light, conforms & transforms unto Himself, in which there is no darkness at all. Eph5:8 "were" past tense.
The resurrection life is reveal here & now, in ever increasing measures in sanctification work, & is consummated by being baptized in the Holy Spirit, revealed also as being baptize unto His death Rom 6:3-6 the life of the born-again/new creature is the walking in the newness of the resurrection Life of Christ were one is seal & gather to the Gardener, where self is seen no more, its not I but Christ.
There's two stages we may attain to in our growth in Grace/Life
Reaching the state of Adam innocents before he fell, where if not diligent/watchful we maybe ensnared again , Yet if one continues as mention in the exercising of the Grace of God, one will be baptizes by the Holy Spirit, "the threshing floor, (our hearts) thoroughly purge". We're born again, dead unto sin, alive & in union with Christ & the Father John 17:21-23 here & now!
all creation is judged now, today: tomorrow; tomorrow will become today, world without end. judgement is what god has said. his word will not return unto him void.
judgement is now, today, upon the house of the christ; you, me and everyone on this forum; is that house, and there is only one house, the lord god almighty and the lamb: some have not yet come to that truth, but there is a today coming when they shall be overcome by judgement.
you are baptised into the name of jesus christ, resurrected as one, join-heirs, a husband and his bride.
john 17:22 and the glory that thou hast given me, i have given them, that as we are one, they may be one in us.
judgement is now, do you believe what god has said.
philippians 1:29 for it is given to you on the behalf of christ ...... to believe......
After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.
Paul states 2Cor 5:14
The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?
Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"
We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that
Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6
1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12
1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves
John 13:14 "as I have love you"
Folks,
To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5
All men DIED (take up your cross and follow me in death), a NEW CREATION arose, the BODY of Christ, the bride, Christ's wife: and Christ being the HEAD of the BODY.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN (new birth, being RAISED as the body of Christ, and Christ as the head of that body) doth not commit sin, BECAUSE his SEED (the word of God, truth, life) remaineth IN HIM (this mystery, Christ IN YOU), and he CANNOT SIN
WHY can't we sin: BECAUSE
Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my SPIRIT (the Spirit that raised Christ) IN YOU, and I WILL CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and TO KEEP my judgements and DO THEM.
It's not our works (in that day they will say, did WE NOT): we do nothing it's all the WORKS OF GOD.
Revelation 2:26 .... and KEEPS my WORKS .....
Isaiah 26:10 ....TOGETHER (as ONE), with my DEAD BODY shall they ARISE .....
Revelation 21:5 ..... I MAKE all things NEW ......
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou GAVEST ME, I have given them, that as WE ARE ONE, that may be ONE .
Christ was RAISED with eternal (IMMORTAL) LIFE, we are joint-heirs of that eternal LIFE
1 Timothy 6:16 ... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light .....
1 Corinthians 15:53 ....this mortal MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY ....
1 Corinthians 15:38 ... and to every SEED ..... HIS OWN BODY ......
1 Corinthians 12:27 ..... ye are the BODY of CHRIST ......
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou GAVEST me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that as WE ARE ONE, that THEY MAY BE ONE in us.
Jesus, through prayer, was expounding to his disciples and to us, what was going to happen by his death and HIS RESURRECTION
By HIS RESURRECTION all things became NEW, he is the fulfillment of Mosses and the prophets;
Creation became a JOIN-HEIR with Christ.
A marriage occurred at his RESURRECTION, Jesus became THE LIFE of all men, all men became the BODY of Christ.
We are just the BODY, CHRIST IS THE LIFE, our body has the FAITH of JESUS CHRIST, our BODY does the WORKS of JESUS CHRIST, we have no faith other than the faith of Jesus Christ, we have no works other than the WORKS of Jesus Christ.
OUR body is DEAD with JESUS CHRIST.
John 16:8 And when he is come (the second coming of CHRIST; IN YOU, his body) he will reprove the world of SIN.
John 16:8 Of SIN, because they BELIEVE NOT my words.
YOU died on the cross, how can you repent of your sins, they are COVERED by the blood of Christ, YOU REPENT of your BELIEFS, because the carnal mind is enmity (in direct rebellion) to what GOD SAYS.
Creation DIED with CHRIST on his CROSS, ONLY the BODY of CHRIST arose, we are JOINT-HEIRS of IMMORTALITY.
1 Timothy 6:16 ..... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY .....
We are the BODY, Christ is THE LIFE.
The wages of SIN (unbelief) is DEATH, the absence of LIFE ----- let the dead bury their dead -----
Anti-christ i(and there are many) is opposition to TRUTH; Christ the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.
"A true believer,(one who has been born of Gods Spirit)will never hear the words"depart from me,I never knew you."
What you said is confimed by the Word of GOD through our Lord JESUS Christ, saying:"All that the Father(the Word)giveth me shall come to me;and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out"- John 6:37.
The Word is GOD, so the Word in our heart is literally GOD in our heart-Hallelujah!Great is our GOD.GOD is our life, the life that He gives unto the true believers through JESUS( 1John 5:10 explains literally who has and has not the life),true believers BELIEVED in the testimony that GOD gave of His Son.
1 John 5:19-20 :
19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Matthew 11:27 - All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.
John 17:6-11
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy Word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, KEEP through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be One, as we are. AMEN.AMEN. AMEN. Praise GOD.
The name of the Father is holiness of the Gospel, which is one. (One Lord , one faith-Ep.4:5).
The Son has a command number, which is Three. The Word made flesh makes his command number Four.
The Number Five is with respect the Son and all souls given "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."( John 17:2) The principle of Association is applied to man in terms of his earthly circumstances. Thus his ox is counted as five. For this reason in the Law we have God commanding Moses, "If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep".(Ex.22:1)
Number Five
What does the Jubilee (5x10) signify? The land belongs to God and the glory of the land is in harmony with the glory of the Son as heir to all things. With the jubilee year the land is to be left fallow. This rest signified rest that is promised to saints redeemed from earth.
In the Parable of the Five Wise virgins and Five Foolish virgins where the command number is Ten, indicating the Will of God. (Matt.25:1-13)
The virgins were redeemed from the world and they would have died to sin with taking baptism by water. They were to do the perfect will of God, which was their reasonable service. The Foolish five did no further in walking closer to the Lord. On the other hand the Five Wise virgins redeeming the times were evil did all to be kept from the ungodly ways. In short they followed the prompting of the indwelling Spirit.
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,"
Fifth day is all about life and we shall first study with regards to the life of man. We are considering the spiritual basis for life, and His creation as a memorial is set in heaven of which the four beasts attest the glory of God. In the next two days we are considering stewardship of man. Adam as the double for the Son. The third beast has the face of man. Significance of the number Three cannot be lost on anyone. Memorial in heaven is about overcomer to which Adam cannot be considered as a candidate so the face of man relates to the last Adam.
"The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit./ Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual./ The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."(1 Co.15:45-47)
The Lord from heaven proved his stewardship as we shall see in his prayer,"But these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, ....While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."( John 17:11-12)
The number Five has a bearing on the above stewardship. Guilt offering under the Law of Moses specified the value, "he shall restore it in full and shall add a fifth to it, and give it to him to whom it belongs on the day he realizes his guilt."(Le.6:5-ESV) In the Parable of the Five Foolish Virgins who were not good stewards with the Spirit entrusted under their care we see the Number Five used accordingly.
The Spirit refers to the moving creatures that has life in terms of the waters. The Spirit draws a distinction between the seas and the land. In St John's vision the beast arises from the sea which as Isaiah qualifies it, stands for ungodly nations. (Is.57:20)
Sometimes, patterns are also known as a sequence. (As a result of supernovae, heavier elements are expelled helter-skelter, breakdown of which are however in sequence. It is this we need look at seven days each shall create its own sequence but has a bearing on the Son.
Having said this we shall consider this passage. "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so./ And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good./ And the evening and the morning were the third day."(Ge.1:11-13)
Here we have the divine Will and the Son caused it to happen. The Spirit sets the quality of tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself. "Whose seed is in itself" is about the seed, the word of God. In a manner of speaking, God commands. "Be ye holy for I am holy" and a holy family takes form generations after generations, which is a sequence. When Jesus faults the Jews in his time, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"(Matt.7:16) In his prayer Jesus intercedes for his disciples, "Sanctify them through thy truth; thy word is truth"( John 17:17)
The Spirit tags it with the number Three which refers to the Son as Seven is the number associated with the divine Will and completeness. Here we see the tag 'day' is used for several contexts and it shall always be in direct frame of reference to the Son.
"And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God."(v.8)
Here the Spirit is speaking of the Fellowship of God, a Spirit with Man. What holds them together which is what Law here signifies so testimony of Jacob is same as testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophesy. In the prayer of Jesus speaks, 'Sanctify them (his disciples) with truth; thy word is truth." ( John 17:17)
this Word is the truth, the Law basis for the kingdom of God. The Word became flesh and in his human likeness he made manifest Truth as doable. "I am the truth." Spirit of Christ before the Advent is what the Holy Spirit refers here. Speaking of the nation of Israel their fathers were a stubborn and rebellious generation as they would do to the man sent from God. They denied him, In short we see the rebellious spirit of disobedience evolving generations after generations along with this part of the creation account. "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"(Ge.2:4) God separated light from darkness which creates generations after generations of children of wrath whose spirit was not steadfast with God. So in the Psalm what do their fathers ask? "Behold, he smote the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can he give bread also? can he provide flesh for his people?"(78:20). Now they want prosperity! Children want toys that rattle and that come with colors and shapes. Similarly babes in Christ want jingle of material wealth. These are 'other man's riches' as Jesus would say. ( Luke 16:11-12)
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have BELIEVED do enter into REST (the sabbath), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall ENTER IN TO MY (the sabbath) REST; although the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundations of the world.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well (as it was preached) TO THEM ......
We are just playing out what has ALREADY been written.
God's will is BEING DONE.
We are JUST POTS being CONFORMED into the IMAGE of Christ. From the first man TIL the last man.
Revelation 22:13 "I AM " Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the FIRST and the LAST.
Romans 8:29 .... he did PREDESTINATE to be CONFORMED to the IMAGE of son.
Job 38:7 When all the morning stars SANG TOGETHER (all became ONE), the SONS of GOD (all became ONE) shouted for joy?
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou hast GIVEN ME, I HAVE GIVEN THEM (finished from the foundations of the world), that they may be ONE, even as WE ARE ONE.
Psalms 46:10 Be still and know "I AM" God ......
Isaiah 26:3 Thou will KEEP HIM in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee .....
"And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God."
A day is appointed for the Son.(Ps.2:7) The Spirit accordingly gives us the creation account which is compared to the house that Wisdom built. (Pr.9:1).
God created the heaven and the earth and how is, however, revealed by the writer to the Hebrews. (He.11:3). "In the beginning' placed in the opening sentence sets the divine Will of the Father as the impulse which the Son shall sustain till the end. "(God) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;/ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,"(He.1:2-3) God framed the worlds by faith and we are instructed by the Spirit that it is sustained or maintained by the Son whom he has appointed heir of all things. 'In the fulness of time' God sent his only begotten Son to the world.( John 3:16) so faith determined a holy family which shall be partakers of his grace, " the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:/ Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son," (Col.1;12-16)
Having said these now let us examine Ge.1:1. God is set in terms of the Father Son relationship. Jesus declares "My Father works hitherto and I work." The Word made flesh epitomizes the ministry of Jesus Christ. In his prayer he says, "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." ( John 17:9) When we consider the Word sanctifies us it means that we allow Jesus Christ do his perfect work. "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world./ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."(17:16-17)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God./ The same was in the beginning with God."
In the beginning is a tag by which the Spirit begins the creation account (Ge.1:1) on one part and 'in the beginning John 1:1-2 is the other part. Thus two narrative strands from God the Father and the Son are hinged as one by the tag,'In the beginning'. Similarly the night vision of Daniel (Dan.7:10-13-14) ties up with the inaugural vision of St John. These composite imagery of God and Man allows predestination to work. The same truth whether presented from God or Man is same because the Word which is the word of truth. It sanctifies everyone."They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world./ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth"( John 17:16-17).
The word of truth, and it is what Jesus Christ as the Son of man revealed what was in the bosom of his Father and what are we if we merely treat it literally? Gospel is one but heresies are what man with carnal wisdom make of it. "You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." (Matt.12:34)" A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.( Luke 6:45)
The promise of God is, "Ask of me" Our possession can be only in the Son."Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."(v.8)
The prayer of Jesus in the Gospel of John gives the fulfillment of this. Especially the vv.20-24. "That they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world./ O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me."( John 17:24-25) So knowing that God sent his Son is one part but we have to be made perfect for which we have to abide in him. " in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;" He who has the Son has the Father as well. This is the church in eternity, the body of Christ.
The bone from Adam led to the creation of Eve, and the Spirit sets her as a symbol for this church in eternity. A close study of the Vision of Dry Bones (Ez.37) shall help us understand the ongoing church- building is in the world of the Spirit as much as the Spirit of Christ working with human agencies on the earth.
'The open valley' is a clue for us to include the two worlds as one. "And, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. "(37:2) Ezekiel is not required to prophesy to what is in the mind of God. So we have to take the lead of the Spirit and see the church how these dry bones may put on flesh and sinews "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord."(37:8)
Second point is in the matter of breath. Of this v.9 is different than v.3. "Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live" This refers to God breathing into the nostrils of Adam. These dry bones became living soul so bone joins to one another. (1 of 2)
What does taking up your cross and following Jesus imply.
DEATH, you have to DIE; yet, you are alive; this is the first death, dying to TRUTH, then the judgement: 1 Peter 4:17 The time is (NOW) come, that JUDGEMENT must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD (your the house of God, judged by the words of God).
Galatians 2:20 I am CRUCIFIED (you died on the cross) with Christ; yet I LIVE, yet NOT I, but CHRIST LIVETH in me (YOU are the body of Christ).
ONLY the BODY of Christ arose from the grave, the NEW CREATION, you are the BODY of Christ, you; flesh and blood, now longer exist, you DIED on the cross, only Christ RESURRECTED exist.
1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the LIGHT ......
! Corinthians 15:54 ...this mortal shall put on IMMORTALITY (Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY) .....
1 Corinthians 15:49 As you have borne the IMAGE of the EARTHLY, you shall bear the IMAGE of the heavenly .....
Romans 8:29 ... being predestinated to be conformed TO THE IMAGE of CHRIST ....
John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE.
Friend, all of this proceeds from the lack of being Taught of God by His Spirit, bringing all that would surrender unto Him into the unity of the Faith of the Son of God, that is wrought within us by His Spirit, that we may be one even as He & the Father are One. Members of His Body, for the Temple of God is Holy.
John 17:21-23
Yes; the Spirit knows us through & through & we can be sure no one can never fool God.
Gigi & all, please consider the Truth that's being reveal here according to Scriptures, sound reasoning & the Witness within your conscience that will bear witness to Truth.
For it one's faith is wrong, so will one's life & final destination be. Matt 17: 17-21 James 3:11
I believe that there many on this site as you, who are sincere & do desire to truly know & serve the Lord, but are as I once was "deceived " by the traditions & teaching of men, meaning by studying the Scripture by the arts of science, the letter by the letter. I truly believed that I was being lead by God in this effort, I was deceived & that by the Harlot Rev 17:4-6
Isaiah 9:6 his name shall be called does not make him what the name is many Hebrew names have God in them. Jesus says He came in His Father's name.
John 1:1-4 What is the beginning that John is referencing here? Is this the beginning/creation or is this John's prologue of his gospel, the beginning of Jesus's ministry, as in Luke 1:2 or 1 John 1:1? The word of God was in Jesus for everything Jesus said was not His words but the Father's words who sent Him, John 4:16John 12:49John 14:24.
Jesus was the Tabernacle of God; God was manifested in Jesus, and this is the light that shined. The light that shined was eternal life 1 John 1:2. This life was given to the Son from the Father John 5:26 and we can have this gift through Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 6:23. Jesus proclaimed the Father, the Father was the Word which was proclaimed to the world, and the Word was God. In Revelation 19:13, Jesus's name is the Word of God.
John 10:30John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: As God and Jesus are one through Jesus we also can be one in unity and purpose.
John 14:9 The Father was in Jesus by God's Spirit everything Jesus did and said was from the Father. This is what Jesus is telling them in verse 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
I understand we differ, and this doctrine is deeply rooted, I do not want to offend anyone. I have studied the creation of it, and it was as much or more political than Scriptural, especially considering the number of lives that were taken because of it.
Thank you, brother, I know I differ in this fervently held belief from most, and not believing it is offensive to many. I just would like to share just a little of my understanding of where I am on this, I know many will disagree.
We cannot deny the divinity of Christ, He came forth from the Father. Do I believe Jesus was created? NO. Do I believe the Son of God began at Bethlehem, at His birth? NO. If we look at Micah 5:2 at the prophecy of His birth Micah says He will come forth, the Hebrew word yatsa means to go or come out.
"Whose goings forth have been from old, from everlasting." The Hebrew word for everlasting is olam means long duration, antiquity, futurity, and days of eternity.
Jesus came forth and was the Son of God before creation as we see He is the beginning of creation all came through Him and for Him, Rev. 3:14Colossians 1:16. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who came forth from the Father, (came out of) not created. Does Jesus confirm this, John, 7:29 John 8:42John 16:27John 17:8?
My understanding is Jesus is the literal Son of God, truly begotten of the Father. Jesus came out from God, His true Son, of the same matter, and divinity as the Father with divine inheritance, John 5:26John 6:57Heb. 1:4, not a title as a part of God. God truly gave His true only begotten Son John 3:16.
As the Gospel of Jesus tells us, all who believeth that Jesus is truly the only begotten Son of God. My understanding is if I do not believe Jesus is truly the Son of God I deny Him. That brings in 1 John 2:22 if I say Jesus is God, I deny that there is a Father and a Son.
Just a little and thank you again for your caring reply, you do not have to reply I just wanted to tell just a little.
22 The glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in One; and that THE WORLD MAY KNOW that thou hast sent me, and hast loved THEM, as thou hast loved me.
This union is a very difficult work to accomplish, but for our GOD nothing is impossible
Colossians 2:4 "And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words."
1 John 2:1 "My little children these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sins we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
Ephesians 2:3 "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."
Exodus 25:13
Hebrews 9:5 "And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercy seat; of which we cannot now speak particularly."
John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."
1 Peter 2:25 "For ye were as sheep gone astray; but now are returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls."
Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring judgement to the Gentiles."
John 8:28- 29 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak those things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always these things that please him."
1 Timothy 2:8 "I will therefore that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting."
Romans 9:5 "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."
Psalms 45:7 "Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, Thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
John 17:1 "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through Thine own name those whom thou has given me, that they may be one, as we are."
2 Pet 1:19 does not refer to the letter, Peter explains it further 2 Pet 1:20,21 the Spirit, the Light John 1:9Titus 2:11 is 2 Cor 4:6,7 the sure Word of Prophecy within us, by the Spirit of Prophecy Rev 19:10 the testimony of Jesus Christ
The rule & guide of a Christian life.
Friend consider;
Here on this site is evidence enough, all the different opinions concerning the meaning of the Scriptures, where are all these opinions coming from? Is Christ divided?
Where as if everyone would be led by His Spirit, He speaks the same thing to all, according to their measure of Grace received, yet it's the same word according to each one's measure.
Acts 2:1Acts 4:32 this is the fruits we shall see when its Christ who speaks, bringing His church to the Ephesians 4:13
The Spirit alone can accomplish this. John 17:21-23 1Cor 6:171Cor 12:13
As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:7 2Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
v4 says "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables". They turn from the truth?
( John 17:17) "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth". They turn from the True Word of God, the KJB!
( Ps 119:89) "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven".
That means the Word of God will never change! Yet every modern version bible does (change) the words.
There's a site that you might really like, it shows patterns that only God could have been in control of in translating the KJB, and the KJB ONLY.
Search (Truth is Christ) on youtube and watch some of the videos, it proves the KJB is the True Inspired Word of God.
This will be a really good tool for you to use in Bible study if you want to compare Bibles, it called (Bible Hub).
I do look forward to seeing you post some of your future Bible studies on the KJB.
God Bless You and all who seek His Truth.
What is salvation?
What are you SAVED from?
Your saved from DEATH.
How are you SAVED from DEATH?
You were a JOINT HEIR with Christ at his RESURRECTION.
Only ONE BODY was raised at his resurrection.
You became the body of Christ, no longer having a heart of stone, but Christ gave you his heart, no longer a carnal mind, Christ gave you his mind.
Your carnal mind is DESTROYED by constantly repeating the scriptures that affirm the WORKS of his resurrection.
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou gavest me; I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE as we are ONE.
Isaiah 59:21 As for me (the Father), this is my covenant with them (his creation, by the works of the cross of Christ), the words that I (the Father) have put in your (Christ's) mouth, SHALL NOT depart out of your (Christ's) mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED (being resurrected as joint heirs with Christ), nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, henceforth and forever.
The wages of SIN (unbelief) is DEATH.
The gift of BELIEF is eternal LIFE.
1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light......
John 17:22 .... that they may be ONE, as we are ONE.
God BLESS YOU as LIGHT replaces DARKNESS!
1John 1:3 John was speaking on the other side of the baptizmal of the Christ, he knew in power of being dead unto sin,
& the power of the resurrection of Christ within Him, joining Him to Christ & the Father John 17:21-24 in a consummate intimate fellowship which he explains to His children "that your joy maybe full, which they had & are experiencing in a measure; as they continue in the working out of their salvation, steadfast & confident unto the end.
We ourselve experience an increase in joy of this fellowship as He takes away our sin, & we don't return to them. His Presence increases in our lives, receving more of His Spirit by the hearing & obedience of Faith, which gives & increases us in what John say later "an understanding" 1John 5:20 & a part of this understanding is Philippians 4:13 which we have received.
Could non-believers read this epistles & become believers, of course; Mark 9:23 This is the heart of God Isa 49:6 Acts 13:47
in love & truth
Grace be to you
"And (God) brought her unto the man".(v.22)
It is not ourselves but it is God who has brought us into the Fellowship of God and Man. This is the gift of God. (Ep.2:8-10) Jesus speaks of it from his POV, "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."( John 17:2) Glory of the word like seed finding the right soil so wisdom is a deep calling unto deep,- which in this case is the power and he has power over all who would benefit from. He knew who were his. "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."(17:12) That the scripture might be fulfilled sets him the soul, the knowing part so we have Adam as the double revealing another aspect of the Son. As the Son of man he knew what was in the man of man. "But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him./And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."( John 6:63-64)
It pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell.
"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."
The Spirit invests in Adam the same qualities that Christ as the brightness of His glory displayed. As the Good shepherd he revealed his Father the Shepherd of souls(1 Pe.2:25).
What is our cross for?
To DIE on or cross.
Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the DEATH (on our cross) of his saints.
If we die on the cross of Christ, the we were MARRIED to him in his RESURRECTION.
1 Corinthians 15:43 .... raised in GLORY .....
1 Peter 1:21 WE by him (Christ) do BELIEVE in God, who raised him from the dead, and GAVE him GLORY....
John 17:22 And the GLORY thou GAVEST ME, I have GIVEN them, that as we are ONE, they may BE ONE in us.
There was ONLY ONE BODY raise at the RESURRECTION of Christ.
Ephesians 4:4 .....ONE body .......
1 Corinthians 12:27 ..... ye are the BODY of Christ ......
Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I give you .....
1 Corinthians 2:16 .... ye have the MIND of Christ .....
We are a NEW Creation, ONE BODY, with the heart and mind of Christ.
Psalms 107:31 Oh that man would praise the LORD for his goodness, his wonderful works to the children of men!
God Bless YOU!
Do you see Jesus doing this type of activity? Would this further your growth in His Divine Nature, His image & likeness, walking as He walk? or would it be conforming to this world image & likeness?
Friend,
we been brought with a price 1Cor 6:21
live unto themselves, but to Him 2Cor 5:16
Ryant, the difference between all that are call & the few that are chosen is that they obey from the heart the Truth that had been shown them, & as they prove their faithfulness in the measure of Grace given, God gave the increase, eventually united them with Himself.
John 17:21-24
choose wisely
may His love & grace be with you.
Most believe what man says not what God says.
God's words are always fulfilled.
John 5:43 I (the man, Jesus Christ) come in my Father's NAME and ye receive me (the spirit of truth) not: if another MAN come is his OWN NAME, him ye will receive.
You know them by their fruits.
Not their appearance, the words from their lips.
Isaiah 57:19 ..... I CREATE the FRUIT of the LIPS ..... ONLY when one is BAPTISED into the NAME of Jesus ...... does ones lips speak the same words as OUR LORD, the overseer of out lips.
Psalms 17:4 Concerning the works of men, by the words of THY LIPS (that that may be ONE as WE ARE ONE John 17:22) I have keep me from the paths of the destroyer.
Psalms 12:4 Who hath said.... our lips are our own......
God Bless YOU!
God Bless YOU!
I rejoice to read & understand more from the thoughts of your heart, the inner workings of God's Spirit within, the sincerity, humility, earnestness & simplicity in which you endeavors to love & obey the Lord. Thank you for sharing yourself.
Yes God knew, but in all fairness, Adam must have had also the opportunity to obey as we ourselves now have.
You description of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience is accurate, but lets finish the verse, "sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus, For His life is in the Blood Lev 17:11,14 it not only cleanses but implants the Divine nature. As we continue steadfastly exercising of the doctrines of Christ, I'm speaking of Grace appearance "the hearing the living Word of God, that's near us even in our heart & in our mouth, the word of Faith that Paul preach, here the power of Life is felt & known, not letter learning. 2Cor 3:6
Sanctification "making holy" is describe in Titus 3:5 unto the new creature, being born again by this Incorruptible Seed.
The Light, conforms & transforms unto Himself, in which there is no darkness at all. Eph5:8 "were" past tense.
The resurrection life is reveal here & now, in ever increasing measures in sanctification work, & is consummated by being baptized in the Holy Spirit, revealed also as being baptize unto His death Rom 6:3-6 the life of the born-again/new creature is the walking in the newness of the resurrection Life of Christ were one is seal & gather to the Gardener, where self is seen no more, its not I but Christ.
There's two stages we may attain to in our growth in Grace/Life
Reaching the state of Adam innocents before he fell, where if not diligent/watchful we maybe ensnared again , Yet if one continues as mention in the exercising of the Grace of God, one will be baptizes by the Holy Spirit, "the threshing floor, (our hearts) thoroughly purge". We're born again, dead unto sin, alive & in union with Christ & the Father John 17:21-23 here & now!
Grace & Peace to you
all creation is judged now, today: tomorrow; tomorrow will become today, world without end. judgement is what god has said. his word will not return unto him void.
judgement is now, today, upon the house of the christ; you, me and everyone on this forum; is that house, and there is only one house, the lord god almighty and the lamb: some have not yet come to that truth, but there is a today coming when they shall be overcome by judgement.
you are baptised into the name of jesus christ, resurrected as one, join-heirs, a husband and his bride.
john 17:22 and the glory that thou hast given me, i have given them, that as we are one, they may be one in us.
judgement is now, do you believe what god has said.
philippians 1:29 for it is given to you on the behalf of christ ...... to believe......
god bless you as we abound in the works of god.
After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.
Paul states 2Cor 5:14
The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?
Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"
We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that
Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6
1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12
1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves
John 13:14 "as I have love you"
Folks,
To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5
Jeremiah 32:38-41 Love never fails.
All men DIED (take up your cross and follow me in death), a NEW CREATION arose, the BODY of Christ, the bride, Christ's wife: and Christ being the HEAD of the BODY.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN (new birth, being RAISED as the body of Christ, and Christ as the head of that body) doth not commit sin, BECAUSE his SEED (the word of God, truth, life) remaineth IN HIM (this mystery, Christ IN YOU), and he CANNOT SIN
WHY can't we sin: BECAUSE
Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my SPIRIT (the Spirit that raised Christ) IN YOU, and I WILL CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and TO KEEP my judgements and DO THEM.
It's not our works (in that day they will say, did WE NOT): we do nothing it's all the WORKS OF GOD.
Revelation 2:26 .... and KEEPS my WORKS .....
Isaiah 26:10 ....TOGETHER (as ONE), with my DEAD BODY shall they ARISE .....
Revelation 21:5 ..... I MAKE all things NEW ......
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou GAVEST ME, I have given them, that as WE ARE ONE, that may be ONE .
Christ was RAISED with eternal (IMMORTAL) LIFE, we are joint-heirs of that eternal LIFE
1 Timothy 6:16 ... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light .....
1 Corinthians 15:53 ....this mortal MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY ....
1 Corinthians 15:38 ... and to every SEED ..... HIS OWN BODY ......
1 Corinthians 12:27 ..... ye are the BODY of CHRIST ......
God BLESS YOU!
God BLESS YOU!
Jesus, through prayer, was expounding to his disciples and to us, what was going to happen by his death and HIS RESURRECTION
By HIS RESURRECTION all things became NEW, he is the fulfillment of Mosses and the prophets;
Creation became a JOIN-HEIR with Christ.
A marriage occurred at his RESURRECTION, Jesus became THE LIFE of all men, all men became the BODY of Christ.
We are just the BODY, CHRIST IS THE LIFE, our body has the FAITH of JESUS CHRIST, our BODY does the WORKS of JESUS CHRIST, we have no faith other than the faith of Jesus Christ, we have no works other than the WORKS of Jesus Christ.
OUR body is DEAD with JESUS CHRIST.
John 16:8 And when he is come (the second coming of CHRIST; IN YOU, his body) he will reprove the world of SIN.
John 16:8 Of SIN, because they BELIEVE NOT my words.
YOU died on the cross, how can you repent of your sins, they are COVERED by the blood of Christ, YOU REPENT of your BELIEFS, because the carnal mind is enmity (in direct rebellion) to what GOD SAYS.
Creation DIED with CHRIST on his CROSS, ONLY the BODY of CHRIST arose, we are JOINT-HEIRS of IMMORTALITY.
1 Timothy 6:16 ..... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY .....
We are the BODY, Christ is THE LIFE.
The wages of SIN (unbelief) is DEATH, the absence of LIFE ----- let the dead bury their dead -----
Anti-christ i(and there are many) is opposition to TRUTH; Christ the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.
God Bless YOU!
"A true believer,(one who has been born of Gods Spirit)will never hear the words"depart from me,I never knew you."
What you said is confimed by the Word of GOD through our Lord JESUS Christ, saying:"All that the Father(the Word)giveth me shall come to me;and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out"- John 6:37.
The Word is GOD, so the Word in our heart is literally GOD in our heart-Hallelujah!Great is our GOD.GOD is our life, the life that He gives unto the true believers through JESUS( 1John 5:10 explains literally who has and has not the life),true believers BELIEVED in the testimony that GOD gave of His Son.
1 John 5:19-20 :
19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Matthew 11:27 - All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.
John 17:6-11
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy Word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, KEEP through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be One, as we are. AMEN.AMEN. AMEN. Praise GOD.
The name of the Father is holiness of the Gospel, which is one. (One Lord , one faith-Ep.4:5).
The Son has a command number, which is Three. The Word made flesh makes his command number Four.
The Number Five is with respect the Son and all souls given "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."( John 17:2) The principle of Association is applied to man in terms of his earthly circumstances. Thus his ox is counted as five. For this reason in the Law we have God commanding Moses, "If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep".(Ex.22:1)
Number Five
What does the Jubilee (5x10) signify? The land belongs to God and the glory of the land is in harmony with the glory of the Son as heir to all things. With the jubilee year the land is to be left fallow. This rest signified rest that is promised to saints redeemed from earth.
In the Parable of the Five Wise virgins and Five Foolish virgins where the command number is Ten, indicating the Will of God. (Matt.25:1-13)
The virgins were redeemed from the world and they would have died to sin with taking baptism by water. They were to do the perfect will of God, which was their reasonable service. The Foolish five did no further in walking closer to the Lord. On the other hand the Five Wise virgins redeeming the times were evil did all to be kept from the ungodly ways. In short they followed the prompting of the indwelling Spirit.
The Fifth Day
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,"
Fifth day is all about life and we shall first study with regards to the life of man. We are considering the spiritual basis for life, and His creation as a memorial is set in heaven of which the four beasts attest the glory of God. In the next two days we are considering stewardship of man. Adam as the double for the Son. The third beast has the face of man. Significance of the number Three cannot be lost on anyone. Memorial in heaven is about overcomer to which Adam cannot be considered as a candidate so the face of man relates to the last Adam.
"The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit./ Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual./ The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."(1 Co.15:45-47)
The Lord from heaven proved his stewardship as we shall see in his prayer,"But these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, ....While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."( John 17:11-12)
The number Five has a bearing on the above stewardship. Guilt offering under the Law of Moses specified the value, "he shall restore it in full and shall add a fifth to it, and give it to him to whom it belongs on the day he realizes his guilt."(Le.6:5-ESV) In the Parable of the Five Foolish Virgins who were not good stewards with the Spirit entrusted under their care we see the Number Five used accordingly.
The Spirit refers to the moving creatures that has life in terms of the waters. The Spirit draws a distinction between the seas and the land. In St John's vision the beast arises from the sea which as Isaiah qualifies it, stands for ungodly nations. (Is.57:20)
Third Day (3 of 3)
Sometimes, patterns are also known as a sequence. (As a result of supernovae, heavier elements are expelled helter-skelter, breakdown of which are however in sequence. It is this we need look at seven days each shall create its own sequence but has a bearing on the Son.
Having said this we shall consider this passage. "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so./ And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good./ And the evening and the morning were the third day."(Ge.1:11-13)
Here we have the divine Will and the Son caused it to happen. The Spirit sets the quality of tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself. "Whose seed is in itself" is about the seed, the word of God. In a manner of speaking, God commands. "Be ye holy for I am holy" and a holy family takes form generations after generations, which is a sequence. When Jesus faults the Jews in his time, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"(Matt.7:16) In his prayer Jesus intercedes for his disciples, "Sanctify them through thy truth; thy word is truth"( John 17:17)
The Spirit tags it with the number Three which refers to the Son as Seven is the number associated with the divine Will and completeness. Here we see the tag 'day' is used for several contexts and it shall always be in direct frame of reference to the Son.
Spirit Steadfast With God
"And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God."(v.8)
Here the Spirit is speaking of the Fellowship of God, a Spirit with Man. What holds them together which is what Law here signifies so testimony of Jacob is same as testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophesy. In the prayer of Jesus speaks, 'Sanctify them (his disciples) with truth; thy word is truth." ( John 17:17)
this Word is the truth, the Law basis for the kingdom of God. The Word became flesh and in his human likeness he made manifest Truth as doable. "I am the truth." Spirit of Christ before the Advent is what the Holy Spirit refers here. Speaking of the nation of Israel their fathers were a stubborn and rebellious generation as they would do to the man sent from God. They denied him, In short we see the rebellious spirit of disobedience evolving generations after generations along with this part of the creation account. "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"(Ge.2:4) God separated light from darkness which creates generations after generations of children of wrath whose spirit was not steadfast with God. So in the Psalm what do their fathers ask? "Behold, he smote the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can he give bread also? can he provide flesh for his people?"(78:20). Now they want prosperity! Children want toys that rattle and that come with colors and shapes. Similarly babes in Christ want jingle of material wealth. These are 'other man's riches' as Jesus would say. ( Luke 16:11-12)
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have BELIEVED do enter into REST (the sabbath), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall ENTER IN TO MY (the sabbath) REST; although the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundations of the world.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well (as it was preached) TO THEM ......
We are just playing out what has ALREADY been written.
God's will is BEING DONE.
We are JUST POTS being CONFORMED into the IMAGE of Christ. From the first man TIL the last man.
Revelation 22:13 "I AM " Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the FIRST and the LAST.
Romans 8:29 .... he did PREDESTINATE to be CONFORMED to the IMAGE of son.
Job 38:7 When all the morning stars SANG TOGETHER (all became ONE), the SONS of GOD (all became ONE) shouted for joy?
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou hast GIVEN ME, I HAVE GIVEN THEM (finished from the foundations of the world), that they may be ONE, even as WE ARE ONE.
Psalms 46:10 Be still and know "I AM" God ......
Isaiah 26:3 Thou will KEEP HIM in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee .....
God Bless YOU!
Marriage Supper Of The Lamb (1 of 2)
"And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God."
A day is appointed for the Son.(Ps.2:7) The Spirit accordingly gives us the creation account which is compared to the house that Wisdom built. (Pr.9:1).
God created the heaven and the earth and how is, however, revealed by the writer to the Hebrews. (He.11:3). "In the beginning' placed in the opening sentence sets the divine Will of the Father as the impulse which the Son shall sustain till the end. "(God) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;/ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,"(He.1:2-3) God framed the worlds by faith and we are instructed by the Spirit that it is sustained or maintained by the Son whom he has appointed heir of all things. 'In the fulness of time' God sent his only begotten Son to the world.( John 3:16) so faith determined a holy family which shall be partakers of his grace, " the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:/ Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son," (Col.1;12-16)
Having said these now let us examine Ge.1:1. God is set in terms of the Father Son relationship. Jesus declares "My Father works hitherto and I work." The Word made flesh epitomizes the ministry of Jesus Christ. In his prayer he says, "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." ( John 17:9) When we consider the Word sanctifies us it means that we allow Jesus Christ do his perfect work. "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world./ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."(17:16-17)
"The Word"
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God./ The same was in the beginning with God."
In the beginning is a tag by which the Spirit begins the creation account (Ge.1:1) on one part and 'in the beginning John 1:1-2 is the other part. Thus two narrative strands from God the Father and the Son are hinged as one by the tag,'In the beginning'. Similarly the night vision of Daniel (Dan.7:10-13-14) ties up with the inaugural vision of St John. These composite imagery of God and Man allows predestination to work. The same truth whether presented from God or Man is same because the Word which is the word of truth. It sanctifies everyone."They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world./ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth"( John 17:16-17).
The word of truth, and it is what Jesus Christ as the Son of man revealed what was in the bosom of his Father and what are we if we merely treat it literally? Gospel is one but heresies are what man with carnal wisdom make of it. "You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." (Matt.12:34)" A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.( Luke 6:45)
you quoted:
matthew 10:23 .... ye (those 12 disciples) shall not have gone over the cities of israel, til the son of man be come.
christ came the second time when god raised him from the dead, we became joint-heirs, we are the body of christ.
christ came; the second time, in the clouds of heaven, the new creation.
colossians 1:27 .... this mystery ...... christ in you .......
john 17:22 and the glory that thou has give me, i have given them, that they may be one, as we are one.
the gospel is believing what god has done for man.
psalms 107:8 o that man would praise the god of his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of man.
god bless you!
"Dry Bones"
The promise of God is, "Ask of me" Our possession can be only in the Son."Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."(v.8)
The prayer of Jesus in the Gospel of John gives the fulfillment of this. Especially the vv.20-24. "That they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world./ O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me."( John 17:24-25) So knowing that God sent his Son is one part but we have to be made perfect for which we have to abide in him. " in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;" He who has the Son has the Father as well. This is the church in eternity, the body of Christ.
The bone from Adam led to the creation of Eve, and the Spirit sets her as a symbol for this church in eternity. A close study of the Vision of Dry Bones (Ez.37) shall help us understand the ongoing church- building is in the world of the Spirit as much as the Spirit of Christ working with human agencies on the earth.
'The open valley' is a clue for us to include the two worlds as one. "And, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. "(37:2) Ezekiel is not required to prophesy to what is in the mind of God. So we have to take the lead of the Spirit and see the church how these dry bones may put on flesh and sinews "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord."(37:8)
Second point is in the matter of breath. Of this v.9 is different than v.3. "Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live" This refers to God breathing into the nostrils of Adam. These dry bones became living soul so bone joins to one another. (1 of 2)
What does taking up your cross and following Jesus imply.
DEATH, you have to DIE; yet, you are alive; this is the first death, dying to TRUTH, then the judgement: 1 Peter 4:17 The time is (NOW) come, that JUDGEMENT must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD (your the house of God, judged by the words of God).
Galatians 2:20 I am CRUCIFIED (you died on the cross) with Christ; yet I LIVE, yet NOT I, but CHRIST LIVETH in me (YOU are the body of Christ).
ONLY the BODY of Christ arose from the grave, the NEW CREATION, you are the BODY of Christ, you; flesh and blood, now longer exist, you DIED on the cross, only Christ RESURRECTED exist.
1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the LIGHT ......
! Corinthians 15:54 ...this mortal shall put on IMMORTALITY (Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY) .....
1 Corinthians 15:49 As you have borne the IMAGE of the EARTHLY, you shall bear the IMAGE of the heavenly .....
Romans 8:29 ... being predestinated to be conformed TO THE IMAGE of CHRIST ....
John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE.
God Bless You!
Friend, all of this proceeds from the lack of being Taught of God by His Spirit, bringing all that would surrender unto Him into the unity of the Faith of the Son of God, that is wrought within us by His Spirit, that we may be one even as He & the Father are One. Members of His Body, for the Temple of God is Holy.
John 17:21-23
Yes; the Spirit knows us through & through & we can be sure no one can never fool God.
Gigi & all, please consider the Truth that's being reveal here according to Scriptures, sound reasoning & the Witness within your conscience that will bear witness to Truth.
For it one's faith is wrong, so will one's life & final destination be. Matt 17: 17-21 James 3:11
I believe that there many on this site as you, who are sincere & do desire to truly know & serve the Lord, but are as I once was "deceived " by the traditions & teaching of men, meaning by studying the Scripture by the arts of science, the letter by the letter. I truly believed that I was being lead by God in this effort, I was deceived & that by the Harlot Rev 17:4-6
Again; all, please consider these truths
In love & truth
Isaiah 9:6 his name shall be called does not make him what the name is many Hebrew names have God in them. Jesus says He came in His Father's name.
John 1:1-4 What is the beginning that John is referencing here? Is this the beginning/creation or is this John's prologue of his gospel, the beginning of Jesus's ministry, as in Luke 1:2 or 1 John 1:1? The word of God was in Jesus for everything Jesus said was not His words but the Father's words who sent Him, John 4:16 John 12:49 John 14:24.
Jesus was the Tabernacle of God; God was manifested in Jesus, and this is the light that shined. The light that shined was eternal life 1 John 1:2. This life was given to the Son from the Father John 5:26 and we can have this gift through Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 6:23. Jesus proclaimed the Father, the Father was the Word which was proclaimed to the world, and the Word was God. In Revelation 19:13, Jesus's name is the Word of God.
John 10:30 John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: As God and Jesus are one through Jesus we also can be one in unity and purpose.
John 14:9 The Father was in Jesus by God's Spirit everything Jesus did and said was from the Father. This is what Jesus is telling them in verse 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
I understand we differ, and this doctrine is deeply rooted, I do not want to offend anyone. I have studied the creation of it, and it was as much or more political than Scriptural, especially considering the number of lives that were taken because of it.
God bless,
RLW
Thank you, brother, I know I differ in this fervently held belief from most, and not believing it is offensive to many. I just would like to share just a little of my understanding of where I am on this, I know many will disagree.
We cannot deny the divinity of Christ, He came forth from the Father. Do I believe Jesus was created? NO. Do I believe the Son of God began at Bethlehem, at His birth? NO. If we look at Micah 5:2 at the prophecy of His birth Micah says He will come forth, the Hebrew word yatsa means to go or come out.
"Whose goings forth have been from old, from everlasting." The Hebrew word for everlasting is olam means long duration, antiquity, futurity, and days of eternity.
Jesus came forth and was the Son of God before creation as we see He is the beginning of creation all came through Him and for Him, Rev. 3:14 Colossians 1:16. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who came forth from the Father, (came out of) not created. Does Jesus confirm this, John, 7:29 John 8:42 John 16:27 John 17:8?
My understanding is Jesus is the literal Son of God, truly begotten of the Father. Jesus came out from God, His true Son, of the same matter, and divinity as the Father with divine inheritance, John 5:26 John 6:57 Heb. 1:4, not a title as a part of God. God truly gave His true only begotten Son John 3:16.
As the Gospel of Jesus tells us, all who believeth that Jesus is truly the only begotten Son of God. My understanding is if I do not believe Jesus is truly the Son of God I deny Him. That brings in 1 John 2:22 if I say Jesus is God, I deny that there is a Father and a Son.
Just a little and thank you again for your caring reply, you do not have to reply I just wanted to tell just a little.
God bless,
RLW
Our Lord JESUS said: John 17:22-23
22 The glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in One; and that THE WORLD MAY KNOW that thou hast sent me, and hast loved THEM, as thou hast loved me.
This union is a very difficult work to accomplish, but for our GOD nothing is impossible
Colossians 2:4 "And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words."
1 John 2:1 "My little children these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sins we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
Ephesians 2:3 "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."
Exodus 25:13
Hebrews 9:5 "And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercy seat; of which we cannot now speak particularly."
John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."
1 Peter 2:25 "For ye were as sheep gone astray; but now are returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls."
Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring judgement to the Gentiles."
John 8:28- 29 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak those things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always these things that please him."
1 Timothy 2:8 "I will therefore that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting."
Romans 9:5 "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."
Psalms 45:7 "Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, Thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
John 17:1 "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through Thine own name those whom thou has given me, that they may be one, as we are."
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2 Pet 1:19 does not refer to the letter, Peter explains it further 2 Pet 1:20,21 the Spirit, the Light John 1:9 Titus 2:11 is 2 Cor 4:6,7 the sure Word of Prophecy within us, by the Spirit of Prophecy Rev 19:10 the testimony of Jesus Christ
The rule & guide of a Christian life.
Friend consider;
Here on this site is evidence enough, all the different opinions concerning the meaning of the Scriptures, where are all these opinions coming from? Is Christ divided?
Where as if everyone would be led by His Spirit, He speaks the same thing to all, according to their measure of Grace received, yet it's the same word according to each one's measure.
Acts 2:1 Acts 4:32 this is the fruits we shall see when its Christ who speaks, bringing His church to the Ephesians 4:13
The Spirit alone can accomplish this. John 17:21-23 1Cor 6:17 1Cor 12:13
in love & truth