1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible (seed), BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth forever.
By reading and speaking God's word, these words began to overcome you, and you began to become ONE with these words, UNTIL:
John 17:21 That they all may be ONE; as thou, Father art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory thou hast given me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they maybe made PERFECT IN ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou has given me, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast give me: for thou lovest me before the foundation of the world.
Christ is IN HIS CREATION ( Colossians 1:27) bring them to the Father, when you depart this flesh YOU are going to be with Christ in HIS CREATION, bringing HIS CREATION to TRUTH ( Revelation 10:11).
I thought instead of just putting out my understanding to Sangeeth Joseph question, I would list a few questions for study on this thought on end times. Prophecy vs Mystery how does that fit. I'm not sure I follow, I know prophecy mostly is on the house of Israel and for Israel will come to fulfillment in the 1000 years when Jesus sets up the kingdom here on earth.
But there are prophecies about the end time that will affect individuals, not nations, that are still living when it starts. Some teaching could have some unprepared and may be devastating to someone's faith, I do not take that as vain or unprofitable 2 Timothy 2:15 it was not a question of salvation.
We know the mystery and the promise in Genesis 22 when Abraham did not withhold his son to sacrifice him. All nations would be blessed through his seed and this was not revealed until after Israel rejected the Messiah Jesus when He first came was only for the house of Israel to confirm the covenant and fulfill it, and the kingdom of God had come, but they rejected it. The gospel of Christ was then given to the Gentiles by Paul, which is the mystery. One of the reasons was to make Israel jealous. Did you know Paul was not the first to preach Christ to the Gentiles?
I will study the link you put out, not sure if I follow how it relates to what I posted, maybe after I study it I will see.
Good afternoon friend, In a vision as a young man while working, I stood beside the Lamb of God where a voice thundered asking if this is what I was looking for. It has taken nearly thirty years to realize that I also saw the mystery which was and is and is to come, a complete non- resistance to the Father in a visible and Holy Body. However many Saints before died in grace of this knowledge, by faith and the mystery like other prophecy has been already revealed.
Prophecy has been interpreted by misunderstandings and assumptions. It has been misheard and many false teachings have people looking for things that are not coming. Prophecy shows that God is in ultimate control.
When studying prophecy, God's word (scripture) the Holy Spirit is the interpreter we are not. Prophecy is generally understood after it has been fulfilled, it confirms the word of God and the prophet is of God.
If we have decided the answer by the teachings we have been taught, or other opinions before we have gone to the Bible in prayer for the facts and truth, the only things we will see in scripture will line up with the conclusion we have already come to. Where did the seven years in this teaching come from? Has the 70-weeks in Daniel been fulfilled already Daniel 9:24-27? Is the rapture (catching up or away) 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 the same as the resurrection, the day of redemption? Is the great tribulation the same as the wrath of God? Is our blessed hope, to be spared great tribulation? How about all the martyrs before us, are we more worthy?
Does scripture tell us our destination after we meet Jesus in the air? Is there any scripture that says we will be taken or we go to heaven? Are there other scriptures that tell us it will be after the great tribulation? Does scripture tell us every eye shall see Jesus coming?
These are just a few questions, I hope you take them out of love for study and are not offensive. I could tell you what I believe but if it is different, will not help. Pray and let the Holy Spirit lead you to the truth. It will not be overnight and some questions will never be answered. Your question is the covid shot the mark of the beast, it is not. When that happens Satan is permanently cast down and the beast and the false prophet are full throttles. The mark will be based on worship, whoever will take it will know what they are doing.
BIRTH PAINS INSTEAD OF pre, mid, post Trib - In Reply on John 17 - 3 years ago
I believe the 10 virgins parable.as inbe ready and looking for Jesus every moment.
Be a watchman of Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
Perceive Birth Pains. Starts off slow. Events speed up. It's painful to witness the signs of the times speeding up. The sheer amount of population, clueless, as to why life is becoming jaded, and unable to discern that events are becoming harder to bear. Kind of like how our government is becoming more oppressive every day; the earth is hemorrhaging in floods, storms, earthquakes, fires, volcanos; very very hot or much too cold. The discomfort of labor increases to Intolerable!! Second stage continues until birth.
We can discern that transition is imminent, by what is happening in the world.
If we act like ostriches any put our heads in the sand (acting like nothing is wrong or blaming it on global warming) we will not see Jesus COMING IN THE CLOUDS.
If you scripture search that phrase "Coming in the Clouds", it gives us more info on Jesus's Arrival.
I believe we will clearly see the beginnings of Tribulation Happenings. We see them now. One being, Israel being surrounded by her enemies. The Third Temple in Jerusalem being built. That's happening. You can view the progress on YouTube or Google, every day. Israel will swap land to have full access to all of the Temple Mount.
This presidency has withdrawn financial and military protection to Israel; and our nation is being invaded by foreign nations. A curse ( Genesis 12:1-3) ( Leviticus 26)
Only people who are good sign readers are not going to sleep their way through these final moments of earths history, and the reality of the Tribulation to advance in terror and pain.
See the Signs! Look Up! Your Redemption draws Closer!
There's a YouTube site that people all over the planet send them videos of daily disasters In their country. "The Two Preachers" , go have a look.
Once again, brother Ronald, your comments are appreciated & vibrates well in both my mind & spirit.
You wrote of "In the beginning". Of course, this strongly suggests that there was a beginning, or commencement to this Word, yet we know & accept that God Himself had no beginning (in time). From eternity to eternity He will ever be God. If then God is eternal & His Word & Spirit must always co-exist within Him & with Him, we can then only question the meaning of "In the beginning". So, it's always been natural to interpret that to mean 'From eternity' because of God's Nature, but as you suggest, it's beyond us, how else could we interpret this phrase & still make it fit Who God is?
As much as I understand that you don't deny Christ's divinity, there is still the belief that divinity came upon Him at some other point: whether in His Birth, Life or ministry. So, even though we cannot be clear to "In the beginning", we can be clear that God's Word, immaterial, yet in God's Essence, emanated from Him, God choosing that Word to be made flesh. He could have chosen His Spirit to take on humanity instead, but that thought would lead us nowhere. Whereas, the Scriptures that have been cited in other posts, give us clear evidence that Jesus understood His Presence with God, having been graced with God's Glory pre-creation ( John 17:5). And in Colossians 1:16 which you quoted: He was not only in the beginning of creation, but as the verse tells us, He was the Creator (I can only understand this as the Creator God & His Word were joint Authors of all creation).
All these show us Christ's Divinity before His coming in Humanity. That He was the Son of God by virtue of His Birth & not by His pre-existence. And indeed, the demons called Him the Son of God, because that's Who He was & to Whom they were addressing. The point is, does a reference to Jesus' Sonship negate His Deity & intrinsic connection to the Father in eternity? Thank you again & may His blessings be yours always.
Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
The born again of SPIRIT, starting with the apostles and all thereafter, until the present, are ALIVE AND REMAINING NOW, in the PRESENCE of SPIRIT clothed in the BODY OF CHRIST. ( 1 Corinthians 15:54)
He who is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT.
God is SPIRIT, Spirit is GOD.
Psalms 82:6
John 10:34-35
John 17:21-22
Isaiah 27:12
The DEAD awaiting the resurrection back to flesh, can not be caught up in to the clouds (born again of Spirit) until they are judged and die the SECOND DEATH (Truth, Life, the Way), then they CAN ALSO become SON'S OF GOD.
Isaiah 26:9
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the CREATURE waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.
Romans 8:21 For the CREATURE ITSELF shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (flesh) into the glorious liberty of the SONS OF GOD (Spirit).
Hello Ronald. Thank you brother for your thoughtful comments & I certainly respect the spirit that you have given them in. In considering both the individual aspects of your comments as well as its overall thrust, I would say that at the first, we need to determine Jesus' position pre-incarnate & post-incarnate. On this determination, hang all our beliefs & discussions of the Godhead (i.e. the Father, the Word & the Holy Spirit).
Re: Jesus' flesh. As I read the Word, I believe that Jesus was born of God entirely pure, i.e. with flesh untarnished with sin. It could be said that his flesh was as that of Adam, pre-fall. However, Adam sinned & the sin nature & propensity to sin passed on all of us, but Jesus refused to sin, that "he was on all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" ( Hebrews 4:15b) - still in the flesh but the sin nature couldn't take hold. Some would say that Jesus was the product of the fusing of the seed of God & the seed of Mary. I would tend to disagree; if anything directly human was involved in human production, then the sin nature has to be passed on. I believe that what was placed in Mary was entirely of God & Mary was the vehicle for bringing forth a child, in fulfilment of the prophecies concerning Him.
So, when I say 'Godhead', in lieu of 'Trinity', it is to firstly avoid the naysayers, & secondly to emphasize that the Godhead cannot be complete without the Word & the Spirit being vitally connected & a part of Almighty God's Being. If the Word proceeded out from God, as even He sends forth His Spirit, then the Word made flesh must be the exact personification of God, sans the humanity & the laying aside of His Glory that "He had with (God) before the world was" ( John 17:5).
Brother adam, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his knowledge.
the spirit is the god. everything after this is by inheritance.
christ was the firstborn. the firstborn received the inheritance of the father. his father is the god (source of life, truth, etc. christ became a god through inheritance.
christ came to give us this same inheritance, we also will become a god through inheritance.
Sister Annie, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
God is SPIRIT, spirit can not be seen.
God (Spirit) wanted children (sons and daughters) of God; but he wanted them to have a BODY.
God spoke Christ (the Body) into existence. All the FULLNESS of SPIRIT (the Father) dwells in the SON (BODY of CHRIST).
Revelation 3:14 An unto the angel (Christ, the messenger of the Father) of the Church .....these things say the Amen, the faithful and true witness (of the Father), the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD(SPIRIT).
We can not even begin to fully understand the GLORY the SON has had with the Father since the BEGINNING.
The word of God tell us that through the works of the CROSS, Christ is going to give us this SAME GLORY that he shares with our Father.
When we come to this TRUTH, we are ready to be present with the Lord and absent this body.
But; our Father CAUSES us to continue SUFFERING IN THE FLESH, until our appointed time to depart this flesh.
Then this happens:
1 Corinthians 15:54 DEATH is swallowed up in VICTORY.
We are then GIVEN the BODY of CHRIST and the FULLNESS of SPIRIT (GOD).
John 17:21 And the GLORY that thou hast GIVEN me, I have GIVEN THEM; that they may be ONE as we are ONE.
Brother Earl. Yes, I can agree that Jesus, as the Son of God, had left aside the Glory which He had before ( John 17:5) & was subject to the Father, even for the Works He had to do on Earth. What is concerning to Thas, is why Jesus had not the knowledge of the time of His second appearing, yet showing the other attributes of the Godhead, by His miracles, His knowledge of the thoughts of people, etc. It's difficult to offer an good answer, except as you said, that Jesus "was given (knowledge only) as it is required". Yet, I would have great difficulty in interpreting "the Son" to refer to Israel, as shared by another, as the verses & context given don't compel us to use any other meaning.
Brother Chris, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT .....
Christ, (which is, and which was, and which is to come Revelation 1:8); IS, the ONLY ONE BODY. The VESSEL of the ONLY ONE SPIRIT. We (the firstfruits of SPIRIT)( 1 Corinthians 15:23)( Romans 8:23) become the BODY OF CHRIST ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( 1 Corinthians 15:52-55).
The SPIRIT (the source of POWER) provides ALL, the BODY does all the LABOUR. Christ has everything needed at his disposal at all times; but the SPIRIT ONLY releases it (the power)to THE BODY at the given moment it is required. I am not saying that Christ IS NOT GOD, because HE IS; it takes both (faith and labour)( James 2:17) to be GOD, SPIRIT (the SOURCE) and THE BODY (the LABOUR).
Everything is done by SPIRIT (the WORKS of the FATHER) THROUGH (the labour) of the SON.
Christ emptied HIMSELF of the Father's glory ( John 17:5) that he had with him since the beginning, and became sinful flesh, to be destroyed.
He does't know in advance the second coming, because he is given what is required, as it is required ( John 5:19)( John 5:30), just as we are ( John 15:5). We are being created like him A VESSEL OF THE SPIRIT ( Revelation 10:11).
1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS shall be SUBJECTED to him, then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be SUBJECT to him (the source of power) that put all things under him that GOD (Spirit, Truth, Life) may be ALL IN ALL.
Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put ALL in subjection under him, he left nothing that IS NOT PUT under him, But we see NOT YET (but we will see; at the resurrection of the dead) ALL THINGS put under him.
Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS ( John 17:21) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau (the world); and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
Isaiah 26:9 ....when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Hello Thas. No, Jesus didn't lie when He said that only His Father knew of the time of His second appearing. Even though the Word doesn't specifically talk about this subject, i.e. how could a Divine Being come to Earth & not have all His Divine Powers still in His possession, the Scriptures do amply show us of Jesus' Divinity ( John 1:1-14; John 17:4,5; John 6:38 & many more) & Jesus' Mission on Earth ( Matthew 20:28; John 3:16; etc.).
However, Philippians 2:5-8 gives us vital information: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." The key word here (for the purposes of your question), is "reputation". In the original Greek, this word is "ekenosen" (from the word, kenosis), which means 'to empty'. So, if Jesus made "Himself of no reputation", the meaning is that 'He emptied Himself' of what He had in His Deity, for the sake of becoming a man, indeed, one of 'servitude' to both God & man, so as to die on a Cross.
We know that Jesus continued to have Divine Powers (of healing, raising the dead, knowing the thoughts of others, etc.), but there were also certain limitations that He placed on Himself while He was in the flesh on Earth and to be in subjection to His Father (by virtue of His Humanity). The one you quoted is a good example, as also Mark 5:25-32; Luke 4:1 (led of the Spirit). We can then understand that Jesus' coming was also to reveal the Glory of God ( John 1:18) & that to do so, His Own Glory had to be veiled. Therefore, we cannot know why Jesus didn't know the time of His second coming to Earth, except to understand that in His Humanity this knowledge was kept aside - but in Heaven now, He has all His Divine Attributes restored.
Brother Larry, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Knowing ( Matthew 13:11) God (God is TRUTH) is all that matters.
God is LIFE, we are the vessel (pot) that HOLDS that LIFE.
YOU (sinful flesh) DIED on the CROSS, with CHRIST, YOU (the new creation of CHRIST's resurrection) will never DIE AGAIN ( Luke 22:35-36).
The vessel (our body of flesh will return to dust, at the harvesting of the new (SPIRIT) man), the new man (CHRIST IN YOU) will BECOME ONE (be married) to CHRIST.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY (CHRIST), and ONE SPIRIT (the FATHER) ( John 17:21).
What CHRIST has always been, the SON of GOD, you will be.
Seek you first the Kingdom of God (created by the birth of truth and life) and all these things (comforts of life) will be added to you ( 1 Corinthians 4:7).
Brother Sonny, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Most people are taught by the traditions of man, very few study themselves and let the Spirit reveal the truth to them.
Romans 8:20 For the CREATURE (CREATION) was made SUBJECT TO VANITY (evil), not WILLINGLY, but by REASON of him who hath SUBJECTED the same (creation) in HOPE. (Becoming ONE with their CREATOR).
Ponder on the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.
That knowledge exist TOGETHER, you can't have the KNOWLEDGE of good without also having the KNOWLEDGE of evil.
After partaking of this KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, God said, behold they (creation) have become like one of us to KNOW good and evil.
This KNOWLEDGE is necessary to become LIKE GOD.
John 17:21 That they (creation) ALL may BE ONE; as thou Father, art ONE IN ME, and I IN THEE, that thou also may be ONE IN US: that the world MAY BELIEVE that thou has SENT ME.
Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU.....
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4) proceeded lighting, and thunder and voices: BURNING ( Isaiah 4:4) before the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4), which (lighting, thunder, voices) ARE the SEVEN Spirits of God (now in you).
Isaiah 11:2 And the (first is the) SPIRIT of the LORD (Father) shall rest upon him (Christ (in you)), the (second) spirit of WISDOM, and (the third spirit of) UNDERSTANDING, the (forth) spirit of COUNSEL and (the fifth spirit of) MIGHT, the (sixth) spirit of KNOWLEDGE and (the seventh spirit) of the FEAR of the Lord.
When we no longer have to SUFFER IN THE FLESH we will BE ONE WITH THE FATHER AND SON.
Come get everlasting life! Read, learn, and pray to apply!
John 17:3
And this is life eternal (everlasting), that they might know thee (you) the only true God (* Psalm 83:18), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast (you have) sent. ( Luke 1:30-35; Matthew 1:21-24; John 5:19; John 17:5)
*In the King James translation:
Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. ( John 4:24; Exodus 6:2,3)
Revelation was written and represented in signs. meaning using people, persons (Warning examples of wicked people and their actions) to describe the message. for example, according to Revelations 6:1-8:
1.The Red Horse: Peace taken from the earth.. They will slaughter one another (Civil wars, the deadly war WWI & WWII etc.)
2. The Black Horse: (Famine The Great depression etc.)
3. The pale Horse: Deadly plague...The Grave/Death ( 1918 influenza pandemic, HIV, Flu, Common cold,
Covid-19,Delta variant etc.)
Why is the world in critical condition?
Satan was hurled down from heaven and is misleading nations rulers and kings:
1 John 5:19; Genesis 3; Genesis chapter 6 and 9;
Luke and Matthew 4; Ephesians 6:11-13; Revelation 12:7-12;
2 Corinthians 4:4
What is the result of Satan the devil's influence:
2 Timothy 3:1-7
Matthew 24
1 Corinthians 6:9,10; Ephesians 5:5
What will Jesus do since his father gave him all authority?
Hi Belinda. That's a good question as there are a few interpretations to that passage. Considering that Jesus wanted unbelieving Thomas to touch Him so that he would no longer doubt ( John 17:27,28), it seems strange that Jesus forbad Mary to do so. The best reason for this that I can give, is that Jesus perceived that Mary's desire to touch Him was going to be a lengthy time of adoration & worship (as the Greek word for 'touch' also has 'holding onto' as another meaning). And Jesus didn't want her to give Him that worship now, rather, that she should hastily go to His disciples & tell them what she had heard & seen (i.e. He had arisen from the dead & in preparation for His ascension). Time was short & His disciples had to be told & to expect to see Him shortly.
Hopefully, you may receive other understandings of this passage as I don't confess to have the right answer - only my sense of that time of resurrection from the grave.
Amen and amen, brother alex. we are the promised israel. christ duplicated (when we depart this body of flesh and put on his body.
ephesians 4: there is one body, and one spirit .....
1 timothy 6:16 who only hath immortality .....
john 17:21 that they all may be one; as thou, father, art in me, and i in thee, that they may be one in us: that the world made believe that thou hast sent me.
" Little children,ye are on this world but not of this world." Who are they? Those who refused to received the mark of the beast.( revelation 13:17).,They are unique..in almighty god's side.( exodus 33:16, john 15:19, john 17:14-16.)If someone says that he/she is one among them but a disciple of any religious,political,or commercial organization which he/she devotes his/her time,strenght,talent and money for the benefits and interest of his/her organization,how come he/she is no part of this world? Religious (church)Political( nation),and Commercial(cartel) are the 3 systems that forcibly introduced or marked in heart and mind of the majority of people around the world and only those who are no part of this world refuses to be a disciple of any religious,political or commercial organization that patronizes(buy)and campaigning to patronizes(sell) ,traditions,customs,occassions laws,wars,economy,arts,science and technology and at this our time of global pandemic,only those who are no part of this world refuses to go into covid 19 vaccination sites.( 2 chronicles 16:12) i wish you are one of them.(romans11:4)
Hi Ron. Actually, I don't believe I've made an assumption. To call a person, "God", must bring on the sternest rebuke if spoken in error. Thomas should have been corrected about that erroneous statement & the matter should not have slipped by; rather, the Lord recognized that faith had come to Thomas only because of his present (visual) witness of Jesus, rather than simply believing what He had earlier spoken about His death & resurrection ( Matthew 16:21).
In Matthew 22:41-46: Christ baffled the Pharisees when he asked them what thoughts they had of the promised Messiah. How could the Christ possibly be the Son of David and yet be his Lord? Jesus quotes Ps 110:1. If the Messiah was to be a mere man (even if it was a very special creation unlike any other), & who would not exist till many ages after King David's death, how could His forefather (David) call him Lord? The Pharisees could give no answer.
Nor can anyone solve the difficulty except he allows the Messiah to be the Son of God, & David's Lord be equally with the Father. He took upon himself human nature, and so became God manifested in the flesh; in this sense he is both the Son of Man and the Son of David. This compels us to ask, 'what think we of Christ?' Is He altogether glorious in our eyes, and precious to our hearts? When Jesus said, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE before the world was" ( John 17:5), was Jesus deceiving His disciples & us with an incredible prayer & giving rise to suspicion? Or, was He now expectantly looking towards that Glory that He had set aside to become man for the sake of our redeeming men's evil hearts & minds?
Sister Barbara, it's a prophesy, look at the wheel within a wheel in the same context as:
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou has sent me.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (SPIRIT) that WORKETH IN YOU (in Christ, also) Both TO WILL and TO DO of his (the SPIRIT'S) good pleasure.
John 5:30 I can or MYSELF DO NOTHING: as I hear (the SPIRIT), I judge (by the SPIRIT), and my judgement (by the SPIRIT) is just; because I seek not my own will, but THE WILL of the Father (SPIRIT) which hath SENT ME.
John 10:18 No man taketh IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) from me, but I lay IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) down of myself (I can of myself do nothing). I have power (by the SPIRIT) to take IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) again. This commandment ( John 15:10) have I received of my Father.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, into thy hands (God; SPIRIT) I commend my (the Father's) SPIRIT ( Ephesians 4:4 there is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT......)( John 17:21)
Remember the bible is the words of CHRIST (the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit).
Psalms 56:11 IN GOD (SPIRIT) have I (the SON) put my trust: I (the Son) will not be afraid of what man can do to me.
Jesus gave his body of flesh for us, so we are able to never see DEATH; because SPIRIT NEVER DIES.
Theresa Haggerty, Again I profess not to be a scholar but I am a born again believer and have been filled with His spirit since at a tender age of 9yrs old. To better understand vs 23 we have to look at the whole conversation between the woman and Jesus but time would not permit me to give you a dissertation on it. Lets focus on what Jesus said not only in vs23 but also in vs24. Two things we need to be true worshippers, spirit and truth, but not just any spirit or any truth a true spirit and a true truth or doctrine. So how do I get this true spirit? David said it this way in Ps.51:10 create in me a clean heart oh Lord and renew a right spirit within me. It's a continuous process. Look at these scriptures John 14:14-18 and Eph.4 I strongly suggest you read entire chapters to put these scriptures in the right context. This is going to open up to more questions but bear with me. Lets look at truth. What is truth? Pilate asked the same thing and Jesus said I am. He is the way, the truth and life John 14:6, also He said Thy word is truth in John 17:17. How do I worship in truth? You obey is word, the Bible. We can not have a true spirit if we are not living up to His word and we can not have true doctrine with out a true spirit. Hope this helped. In Christ, Gerald.
AG Peterson The person playing with a full deck is Jesus Christ all others are cheating, and the only way to know Him is through Gods Word, He is the True Shepherd, John 10:9+10 The thief cometh not but for to steal and to kill and to destroy I am come that they might have life and have it more abundantly. In Gospel of John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy word, thy word is truth. There's no other source for truth Gods Word makes known Christ. God Bless
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible (seed), BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth forever.
By reading and speaking God's word, these words began to overcome you, and you began to become ONE with these words, UNTIL:
John 17:21 That they all may be ONE; as thou, Father art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory thou hast given me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they maybe made PERFECT IN ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou has given me, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast give me: for thou lovest me before the foundation of the world.
Christ is IN HIS CREATION ( Colossians 1:27) bring them to the Father, when you depart this flesh YOU are going to be with Christ in HIS CREATION, bringing HIS CREATION to TRUTH ( Revelation 10:11).
I thought instead of just putting out my understanding to Sangeeth Joseph question, I would list a few questions for study on this thought on end times. Prophecy vs Mystery how does that fit. I'm not sure I follow, I know prophecy mostly is on the house of Israel and for Israel will come to fulfillment in the 1000 years when Jesus sets up the kingdom here on earth.
But there are prophecies about the end time that will affect individuals, not nations, that are still living when it starts. Some teaching could have some unprepared and may be devastating to someone's faith, I do not take that as vain or unprofitable 2 Timothy 2:15 it was not a question of salvation.
We know the mystery and the promise in Genesis 22 when Abraham did not withhold his son to sacrifice him. All nations would be blessed through his seed and this was not revealed until after Israel rejected the Messiah Jesus when He first came was only for the house of Israel to confirm the covenant and fulfill it, and the kingdom of God had come, but they rejected it. The gospel of Christ was then given to the Gentiles by Paul, which is the mystery. One of the reasons was to make Israel jealous. Did you know Paul was not the first to preach Christ to the Gentiles?
I will study the link you put out, not sure if I follow how it relates to what I posted, maybe after I study it I will see.
God bless,
RLW
You say "Prophecy," but Where Does God's "Revelation of The MYSTERY," And 2 Timothy 2:15 {answering 'Confusion'?} fit into your "study" equation?:
Prophecy vs MYSTERY:
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Prophecy has been interpreted by misunderstandings and assumptions. It has been misheard and many false teachings have people looking for things that are not coming. Prophecy shows that God is in ultimate control.
When studying prophecy, God's word (scripture) the Holy Spirit is the interpreter we are not. Prophecy is generally understood after it has been fulfilled, it confirms the word of God and the prophet is of God.
If we have decided the answer by the teachings we have been taught, or other opinions before we have gone to the Bible in prayer for the facts and truth, the only things we will see in scripture will line up with the conclusion we have already come to. Where did the seven years in this teaching come from? Has the 70-weeks in Daniel been fulfilled already Daniel 9:24-27? Is the rapture (catching up or away) 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 the same as the resurrection, the day of redemption? Is the great tribulation the same as the wrath of God? Is our blessed hope, to be spared great tribulation? How about all the martyrs before us, are we more worthy?
Does scripture tell us our destination after we meet Jesus in the air? Is there any scripture that says we will be taken or we go to heaven? Are there other scriptures that tell us it will be after the great tribulation? Does scripture tell us every eye shall see Jesus coming?
These are just a few questions, I hope you take them out of love for study and are not offensive. I could tell you what I believe but if it is different, will not help. Pray and let the Holy Spirit lead you to the truth. It will not be overnight and some questions will never be answered. Your question is the covid shot the mark of the beast, it is not. When that happens Satan is permanently cast down and the beast and the false prophet are full throttles. The mark will be based on worship, whoever will take it will know what they are doing.
We are told to study and to try the spirits.
God bless,
RLW
Be a watchman of Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
Perceive Birth Pains. Starts off slow. Events speed up. It's painful to witness the signs of the times speeding up. The sheer amount of population, clueless, as to why life is becoming jaded, and unable to discern that events are becoming harder to bear. Kind of like how our government is becoming more oppressive every day; the earth is hemorrhaging in floods, storms, earthquakes, fires, volcanos; very very hot or much too cold. The discomfort of labor increases to Intolerable!! Second stage continues until birth.
We can discern that transition is imminent, by what is happening in the world.
If we act like ostriches any put our heads in the sand (acting like nothing is wrong or blaming it on global warming) we will not see Jesus COMING IN THE CLOUDS.
If you scripture search that phrase "Coming in the Clouds", it gives us more info on Jesus's Arrival.
I believe we will clearly see the beginnings of Tribulation Happenings. We see them now. One being, Israel being surrounded by her enemies. The Third Temple in Jerusalem being built. That's happening. You can view the progress on YouTube or Google, every day. Israel will swap land to have full access to all of the Temple Mount.
This presidency has withdrawn financial and military protection to Israel; and our nation is being invaded by foreign nations. A curse ( Genesis 12:1-3) ( Leviticus 26)
Only people who are good sign readers are not going to sleep their way through these final moments of earths history, and the reality of the Tribulation to advance in terror and pain.
See the Signs! Look Up! Your Redemption draws Closer!
There's a YouTube site that people all over the planet send them videos of daily disasters In their country. "The Two Preachers" , go have a look.
and also whether you think the vacc is the mark of the Beast, released step by step into it's full form as described by the Bible.
Psalms 105:15
"Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm."
King James Version (KJV)
Keep sharing these scriptures with us.
2 peter 1:20,21
John 17:3
John 3:16,17
You wrote of "In the beginning". Of course, this strongly suggests that there was a beginning, or commencement to this Word, yet we know & accept that God Himself had no beginning (in time). From eternity to eternity He will ever be God. If then God is eternal & His Word & Spirit must always co-exist within Him & with Him, we can then only question the meaning of "In the beginning". So, it's always been natural to interpret that to mean 'From eternity' because of God's Nature, but as you suggest, it's beyond us, how else could we interpret this phrase & still make it fit Who God is?
As much as I understand that you don't deny Christ's divinity, there is still the belief that divinity came upon Him at some other point: whether in His Birth, Life or ministry. So, even though we cannot be clear to "In the beginning", we can be clear that God's Word, immaterial, yet in God's Essence, emanated from Him, God choosing that Word to be made flesh. He could have chosen His Spirit to take on humanity instead, but that thought would lead us nowhere. Whereas, the Scriptures that have been cited in other posts, give us clear evidence that Jesus understood His Presence with God, having been graced with God's Glory pre-creation ( John 17:5). And in Colossians 1:16 which you quoted: He was not only in the beginning of creation, but as the verse tells us, He was the Creator (I can only understand this as the Creator God & His Word were joint Authors of all creation).
All these show us Christ's Divinity before His coming in Humanity. That He was the Son of God by virtue of His Birth & not by His pre-existence. And indeed, the demons called Him the Son of God, because that's Who He was & to Whom they were addressing. The point is, does a reference to Jesus' Sonship negate His Deity & intrinsic connection to the Father in eternity? Thank you again & may His blessings be yours always.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
The born again of SPIRIT, starting with the apostles and all thereafter, until the present, are ALIVE AND REMAINING NOW, in the PRESENCE of SPIRIT clothed in the BODY OF CHRIST. ( 1 Corinthians 15:54)
He who is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT.
God is SPIRIT, Spirit is GOD.
Psalms 82:6
John 10:34-35
John 17:21-22
Isaiah 27:12
The DEAD awaiting the resurrection back to flesh, can not be caught up in to the clouds (born again of Spirit) until they are judged and die the SECOND DEATH (Truth, Life, the Way), then they CAN ALSO become SON'S OF GOD.
Isaiah 26:9
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the CREATURE waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.
Romans 8:21 For the CREATURE ITSELF shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (flesh) into the glorious liberty of the SONS OF GOD (Spirit).
Hello Ronald. Thank you brother for your thoughtful comments & I certainly respect the spirit that you have given them in. In considering both the individual aspects of your comments as well as its overall thrust, I would say that at the first, we need to determine Jesus' position pre-incarnate & post-incarnate. On this determination, hang all our beliefs & discussions of the Godhead (i.e. the Father, the Word & the Holy Spirit).
Re: Jesus' flesh. As I read the Word, I believe that Jesus was born of God entirely pure, i.e. with flesh untarnished with sin. It could be said that his flesh was as that of Adam, pre-fall. However, Adam sinned & the sin nature & propensity to sin passed on all of us, but Jesus refused to sin, that "he was on all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" ( Hebrews 4:15b) - still in the flesh but the sin nature couldn't take hold. Some would say that Jesus was the product of the fusing of the seed of God & the seed of Mary. I would tend to disagree; if anything directly human was involved in human production, then the sin nature has to be passed on. I believe that what was placed in Mary was entirely of God & Mary was the vehicle for bringing forth a child, in fulfilment of the prophecies concerning Him.
So, when I say 'Godhead', in lieu of 'Trinity', it is to firstly avoid the naysayers, & secondly to emphasize that the Godhead cannot be complete without the Word & the Spirit being vitally connected & a part of Almighty God's Being. If the Word proceeded out from God, as even He sends forth His Spirit, then the Word made flesh must be the exact personification of God, sans the humanity & the laying aside of His Glory that "He had with (God) before the world was" ( John 17:5).
the spirit is the god. everything after this is by inheritance.
christ was the firstborn. the firstborn received the inheritance of the father. his father is the god (source of life, truth, etc. christ became a god through inheritance.
christ came to give us this same inheritance, we also will become a god through inheritance.
psalms 82:6
john 10:34-35
john 17:21
not from men or woman.
But if the bible is not quoted from the bible;
would wisdom still be of much value?
Jesus quoted his fathers words perfectly ( John 8). and the prophets
spoke from God ( Psalm 83:18)
Who is much wiser? Who is wiser to instruct mankind?
God ( Psalm 83:18) and his Son?
2 Timothy 3:16,17;
2 Peter 1:20,21 (holy spirit John 4:24)
John 17:3
John 14:6-28
Psalm 1:1-3
or
Men and many books?
Jeremiah 10:23
Romans 3:23
Ecclesiastes 12:12-14
Psalms. 146:3, 4
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God is SPIRIT, spirit can not be seen.
God (Spirit) wanted children (sons and daughters) of God; but he wanted them to have a BODY.
God spoke Christ (the Body) into existence. All the FULLNESS of SPIRIT (the Father) dwells in the SON (BODY of CHRIST).
Revelation 3:14 An unto the angel (Christ, the messenger of the Father) of the Church .....these things say the Amen, the faithful and true witness (of the Father), the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD(SPIRIT).
We can not even begin to fully understand the GLORY the SON has had with the Father since the BEGINNING.
The word of God tell us that through the works of the CROSS, Christ is going to give us this SAME GLORY that he shares with our Father.
When we come to this TRUTH, we are ready to be present with the Lord and absent this body.
But; our Father CAUSES us to continue SUFFERING IN THE FLESH, until our appointed time to depart this flesh.
Then this happens:
1 Corinthians 15:54 DEATH is swallowed up in VICTORY.
We are then GIVEN the BODY of CHRIST and the FULLNESS of SPIRIT (GOD).
John 17:21 And the GLORY that thou hast GIVEN me, I have GIVEN THEM; that they may be ONE as we are ONE.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT .....
Christ, (which is, and which was, and which is to come Revelation 1:8); IS, the ONLY ONE BODY. The VESSEL of the ONLY ONE SPIRIT. We (the firstfruits of SPIRIT)( 1 Corinthians 15:23)( Romans 8:23) become the BODY OF CHRIST ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( 1 Corinthians 15:52-55).
The SPIRIT (the source of POWER) provides ALL, the BODY does all the LABOUR. Christ has everything needed at his disposal at all times; but the SPIRIT ONLY releases it (the power)to THE BODY at the given moment it is required. I am not saying that Christ IS NOT GOD, because HE IS; it takes both (faith and labour)( James 2:17) to be GOD, SPIRIT (the SOURCE) and THE BODY (the LABOUR).
Everything is done by SPIRIT (the WORKS of the FATHER) THROUGH (the labour) of the SON.
Christ emptied HIMSELF of the Father's glory ( John 17:5) that he had with him since the beginning, and became sinful flesh, to be destroyed.
He does't know in advance the second coming, because he is given what is required, as it is required ( John 5:19)( John 5:30), just as we are ( John 15:5). We are being created like him A VESSEL OF THE SPIRIT ( Revelation 10:11).
1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS shall be SUBJECTED to him, then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be SUBJECT to him (the source of power) that put all things under him that GOD (Spirit, Truth, Life) may be ALL IN ALL.
Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put ALL in subjection under him, he left nothing that IS NOT PUT under him, But we see NOT YET (but we will see; at the resurrection of the dead) ALL THINGS put under him.
Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS ( John 17:21) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau (the world); and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
Isaiah 26:9 ....when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
However, Philippians 2:5-8 gives us vital information: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." The key word here (for the purposes of your question), is "reputation". In the original Greek, this word is "ekenosen" (from the word, kenosis), which means 'to empty'. So, if Jesus made "Himself of no reputation", the meaning is that 'He emptied Himself' of what He had in His Deity, for the sake of becoming a man, indeed, one of 'servitude' to both God & man, so as to die on a Cross.
We know that Jesus continued to have Divine Powers (of healing, raising the dead, knowing the thoughts of others, etc.), but there were also certain limitations that He placed on Himself while He was in the flesh on Earth and to be in subjection to His Father (by virtue of His Humanity). The one you quoted is a good example, as also Mark 5:25-32; Luke 4:1 (led of the Spirit). We can then understand that Jesus' coming was also to reveal the Glory of God ( John 1:18) & that to do so, His Own Glory had to be veiled. Therefore, we cannot know why Jesus didn't know the time of His second coming to Earth, except to understand that in His Humanity this knowledge was kept aside - but in Heaven now, He has all His Divine Attributes restored.
Knowing ( Matthew 13:11) God (God is TRUTH) is all that matters.
God is LIFE, we are the vessel (pot) that HOLDS that LIFE.
YOU (sinful flesh) DIED on the CROSS, with CHRIST, YOU (the new creation of CHRIST's resurrection) will never DIE AGAIN ( Luke 22:35-36).
The vessel (our body of flesh will return to dust, at the harvesting of the new (SPIRIT) man), the new man (CHRIST IN YOU) will BECOME ONE (be married) to CHRIST.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY (CHRIST), and ONE SPIRIT (the FATHER) ( John 17:21).
What CHRIST has always been, the SON of GOD, you will be.
Seek you first the Kingdom of God (created by the birth of truth and life) and all these things (comforts of life) will be added to you ( 1 Corinthians 4:7).
Most people are taught by the traditions of man, very few study themselves and let the Spirit reveal the truth to them.
Romans 8:20 For the CREATURE (CREATION) was made SUBJECT TO VANITY (evil), not WILLINGLY, but by REASON of him who hath SUBJECTED the same (creation) in HOPE. (Becoming ONE with their CREATOR).
Ponder on the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.
That knowledge exist TOGETHER, you can't have the KNOWLEDGE of good without also having the KNOWLEDGE of evil.
After partaking of this KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, God said, behold they (creation) have become like one of us to KNOW good and evil.
This KNOWLEDGE is necessary to become LIKE GOD.
John 17:21 That they (creation) ALL may BE ONE; as thou Father, art ONE IN ME, and I IN THEE, that thou also may be ONE IN US: that the world MAY BELIEVE that thou has SENT ME.
Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU.....
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4) proceeded lighting, and thunder and voices: BURNING ( Isaiah 4:4) before the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4), which (lighting, thunder, voices) ARE the SEVEN Spirits of God (now in you).
Isaiah 11:2 And the (first is the) SPIRIT of the LORD (Father) shall rest upon him (Christ (in you)), the (second) spirit of WISDOM, and (the third spirit of) UNDERSTANDING, the (forth) spirit of COUNSEL and (the fifth spirit of) MIGHT, the (sixth) spirit of KNOWLEDGE and (the seventh spirit) of the FEAR of the Lord.
When we no longer have to SUFFER IN THE FLESH we will BE ONE WITH THE FATHER AND SON.
1 Corinthians 15:22 says For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
( Genesis 3; John 3:16,17;5:28,29; John 17:3)
Resurrected to earth: ( 2 Peter 3:13)
Psalm 37:9-11,29,34;
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
or
Resurrected to heaven: ( Revelation 20)
Revelation 14:3 (144,000); Matthew 7:21
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
hope this helps, Thanks
John 17:3
And this is life eternal (everlasting), that they might know thee (you) the only true God (* Psalm 83:18), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast (you have) sent. ( Luke 1:30-35; Matthew 1:21-24; John 5:19; John 17:5)
*In the King James translation:
Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. ( John 4:24; Exodus 6:2,3)
1.The Red Horse: Peace taken from the earth.. They will slaughter one another (Civil wars, the deadly war WWI & WWII etc.)
2. The Black Horse: (Famine The Great depression etc.)
3. The pale Horse: Deadly plague...The Grave/Death ( 1918 influenza pandemic, HIV, Flu, Common cold,
Covid-19,Delta variant etc.)
Why is the world in critical condition?
Satan was hurled down from heaven and is misleading nations rulers and kings:
1 John 5:19; Genesis 3; Genesis chapter 6 and 9;
Luke and Matthew 4; Ephesians 6:11-13; Revelation 12:7-12;
2 Corinthians 4:4
What is the result of Satan the devil's influence:
2 Timothy 3:1-7
Matthew 24
1 Corinthians 6:9,10; Ephesians 5:5
What will Jesus do since his father gave him all authority?
( Matthew 24:14;28:18-20)
1. Revelation 11:15;20 Chapter
2. Revelation 11:18
3. John 5:28,29; Revelation 21:3-5;22 Chapter
Who is law for?
1 Timothy 1:8-10
2 Timothy 3:16,17
john 17:3
Hopefully, you may receive other understandings of this passage as I don't confess to have the right answer - only my sense of that time of resurrection from the grave.
ephesians 4: there is one body, and one spirit .....
1 timothy 6:16 who only hath immortality .....
john 17:21 that they all may be one; as thou, father, art in me, and i in thee, that they may be one in us: that the world made believe that thou hast sent me.
In Matthew 22:41-46: Christ baffled the Pharisees when he asked them what thoughts they had of the promised Messiah. How could the Christ possibly be the Son of David and yet be his Lord? Jesus quotes Ps 110:1. If the Messiah was to be a mere man (even if it was a very special creation unlike any other), & who would not exist till many ages after King David's death, how could His forefather (David) call him Lord? The Pharisees could give no answer.
Nor can anyone solve the difficulty except he allows the Messiah to be the Son of God, & David's Lord be equally with the Father. He took upon himself human nature, and so became God manifested in the flesh; in this sense he is both the Son of Man and the Son of David. This compels us to ask, 'what think we of Christ?' Is He altogether glorious in our eyes, and precious to our hearts? When Jesus said, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE before the world was" ( John 17:5), was Jesus deceiving His disciples & us with an incredible prayer & giving rise to suspicion? Or, was He now expectantly looking towards that Glory that He had set aside to become man for the sake of our redeeming men's evil hearts & minds?
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou has sent me.
I BELIEVE that Jesus did MAKE A CHOICE; BUT:
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (SPIRIT) that WORKETH IN YOU (in Christ, also) Both TO WILL and TO DO of his (the SPIRIT'S) good pleasure.
John 5:30 I can or MYSELF DO NOTHING: as I hear (the SPIRIT), I judge (by the SPIRIT), and my judgement (by the SPIRIT) is just; because I seek not my own will, but THE WILL of the Father (SPIRIT) which hath SENT ME.
John 10:18 No man taketh IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) from me, but I lay IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) down of myself (I can of myself do nothing). I have power (by the SPIRIT) to take IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) again. This commandment ( John 15:10) have I received of my Father.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, into thy hands (God; SPIRIT) I commend my (the Father's) SPIRIT ( Ephesians 4:4 there is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT......)( John 17:21)
Remember the bible is the words of CHRIST (the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit).
Psalms 56:11 IN GOD (SPIRIT) have I (the SON) put my trust: I (the Son) will not be afraid of what man can do to me.
Jesus gave his body of flesh for us, so we are able to never see DEATH; because SPIRIT NEVER DIES.
You MUST be born of the SPIRIT (TRUTH).