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  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi David, I was wondering how you would explain that and reconcile what the Bible says with your belief.

    These verses are in context and contradict what you are claiming, but even though they're in context and you just click or hover over it to read the whole chapter or book you just dismissed it as not being in context.

    I noticed your response didn't have any Bible verses supporting your view.

    I believe in and stand by Jesus's words. It sounds like you're accusing Jesus of being about "works." You do so at your own risk. I will not be ashamed for believing in what Jesus says, even if people use all kinds of tricks to attack.

    Jesus: "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15

    You: No, don't obey, because that's works.

    Is that really your position that it's "bad" to obey Jesus, and "good" to not obey Jesus?

    If so, that sounds exactly like something satan would say. Such a clever deception to get people to believe its somehow bad to do good and good to do bad. As if God wants people to disobey Him!?

    Also I noticed you used the same straw man argument everyone else has been taught to use that if you want to follow Jesus then automatically you're trying to work towards heaven and there's no other possibility. I already said we're saved by grace, which seemed to be ignored. Of course I already answered this fallacy in advance, but maybe you didn't read it or did and claimed this fallacy anyway. Anyway, I feel a moral obligation to counter the lies on here and anyone claiming that its bad to follow and bad to obey Jesus is just is not speaking the truth. The Bible warns Christians of this throughout scripture.

    Matthew 7:21-23

    Hebrews 10:26

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    James 2:14-26

    Matthew 12:31-32

    Romans 14:12

    1 Peter 1:5

    1 Cor 9:24-27

    2 Peter 3:17

    Luke 8:5-18

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Hebrews 3:12

    Galatians 5:4

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Ok, I don't share that particular belief with you because of what the Bible says:

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

    Gal 5:4 "ye are fallen from grace."

    Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

    "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12 KJV

    "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." 2 Timothy 2:10 KJV

    Salvation is conditional upon following Christ. Those who hate or don't follow Christ aren't going to be saved, based on what the Bible says.

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    I don't know how some can read these verses and twist them into meaning anything other than what they mean. This should be prayed about very deeply.

    God bless.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    John 17, John 1, John 3:16, John 14:10

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Anna - 2 years ago
    Matthew 1:21-25 kjv, John 1:14kjv, John 8:58 kjv,

    Hebrews 13:8 kjv , John 14:6 kjv, Philippians 2:5-11 kjv.
  • Giannis - 2 years ago
    John 14:23

    "Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, WHOM JESUS LOVED"

    John 19:26

    "When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, WHOM HE LOVED, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!"

    John 21:7

    "Therefore that disciple WHOM JESUS LOVED saith unto Peter, It is the Lord ..."

    Did Jesus love only John? No, not only him, He loves all people.

    Did He love John more than the others? It doesn't say that.

    But John really understood that Jesus loves him, for God Love is. Do you?
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Bulletpencil,

    My understanding, Jesus coming, the Messiah/Christ was not a secret, Daniel 9:25 prophesied when He would come. Jesus came to fulfill the prophets and the law, and when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, and Jesus was filled without measure, John 3:34.

    John the Baptist proclaimed it, John 1:34 and His disciples did as well, John 1:41 Jesus told the woman at the well He was the Messiah, John 25:25-26 and Martha John 11:27. It was confirmed by all the miracles Jesus did by the Spirit of God, Matt. 12:28 the kingdom of God has come, but the death and resurrection were, at that time a secret/mystery, Rom. 11:25.

    The kingdom of God has come, John said it was at hand, Matt. 3:1-2. After John was put in prison Jesus came preaching Mark 1:14-15. The mystery of the kingdom; they were looking for the stone to crush Rome and the kingdom would be set up then Daniel 2:44, but it was like the parables of the mustard seed and the yeast Matt. 13, increasing even today until the crushing blow at Jesus second coming.



    The disciples knew Jesus was the Messiah/Christ, so I am sure that was part of their preaching, but Jesus' death and resurrection were hidden even from the disciples Luke 9:45. We see how they fled when Jesus was arrested, Matt. 26:56, and they did not believe He resurrected Mark 16:10-11 Luke 23:10-11 it was hidden from them for if Satan had known the results, he would have tried to stop it.

    Jesus spoke mainly to the Pharisees and Sadducees in parables to fulfill the prophecy, Matt. 13:10-15 Mark 4:10-13 Luke 8:10. The mystery was not revealed until after Jesus was resurrected as Jesus told them the Holy Spirit would bring remembrance and teaching to them John 14:26 John 16:3-4 Romans 11:25 Romans 16:25 the promise to Abraham Genesis 17:4-7 and that seed was Jesus the Messiah/Christ.

    This is my understanding may someone else have another, pray and study for your understanding.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    "The art of losing myself in bringing you praise." This lyric from Phillips Craig and Dean's song "From the Inside Out" truly shows a Biblical world view. The whole song is worthy of a good listen as well as the music itself.

    We think of such a mindset when we are "in love" with someone. I hesitate to use that terminology with our Agape love toward God because it tends to reduce God to a sappy view and reduce His other attributes. Our surrender; nonetheless is based on such love and also TRUST. A wife won't be submissive to her husband voluntarily unless she sees that he is a person of a worthy character; and in a large part that has to do with a Biblical foundation and also trusting that the One who created us knows what He's talking about. The designer of the universe designed us to function in a certain way; and since the fall we can see how successful man is at doing things his own way. We see that even the animal kingdom has become violent and in fact in the situation in Rwanda back in the 1990s even the apes in the jungle violently destroyed a resort after witnessing the bloodbath the competing tribes were giving each other at the time of the horrible massacre when even the surrounding waters became filled with blood.

    In reality if we are truly Born Again we ARE dead to self after the Spirit enters in. This also is well expounded on in the lyrics of this song as God truly does housecleaning within and takes up residence along with the Father. ( John 14:23). Satan loves to double down on us at that point attempting to convince us that we are missing out on something the world has to offer; and consequently trying to convince us that abstaining from these things is keeping us from our "blessing". Thus; many are drawn and enticed by illicit relationships; easy money and other temptations rather than trusting God that "all these things will be added unto you." ( Matt. 6:33). As the verse of the day shows we can't serve both God and money.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 2 years ago
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    Hello James. Sorry to read of your poor health & the confusions & contradictions that are overwhelming you. I would hold onto the Lord Jesus' Words: to 'come to Him if you're over-laden with the cares, concerns & burdens of this life - He promises His rest to all who come.' ( Matthew 11:28). Even in ill-health & hopelessness, Jesus' Peace can over-rule our hearts & minds & give us a certainty of His involvement in our lives & a future where heart-ache & pain will be no more. ( John 14:27; John 16:33; Philippians 4:6,7; Revelation 21:3,4).

    And that is wonderful, that you are persisting in reading God's Word, for therein are the words of Truth & Life. The Promises of God are "yea & in Him Amen" (i.e. they are certain & will not fail); I pray that you will really come to the point of placing your complete trust & hope in Jesus, for He truly is the Answer, the only Answer, to all of our sins, sorrows, hopes & dreams.

    To your questions:

    a. I think you're quoting Revelation 22:4, "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." I picked this verse, as the verses that give the mark of the beast don't apply to the believer in Christ, for if he were present at that time & faithful to the Lord & not to Satan, he would refuse that mark and bear the consequences. In Revelation 22:4, I can't be sure whether there is a physical imprint of Jesus' Name there, or this verse speaks metaphorically. Just as how the mark of the Anti-Christ will be made to appear on all those who wish to follow him & continue to live & not die under his rule.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I agree. It sure seems like Christians are eager to disobey Jesus and what He spoke in Matthew 28:19. Coming up with every possible rationalization to not follow Jesus's words while at the same time claiming to be a Jesus follower. God is the judge and sure He is big and powerful enough to make exceptions and allow anyone in paradise He wants, like the thief on a cross, maybe someone on their death bed who decides to follow Jesus. But why would someone whose goal is to follow Jesus work so hard to NOT follow Jesus? Ashamed? Embarrassed? Mark 8:38 Matthew 10:32-33 It seems like a Christian that just doesn't agree with THAT part of Christianity, but the rest of it? Seems like an enormous risk to take in my opinion, almost like a heart of pride and rebellion has something to do with this resistance.

    Acts 2:38 - some silently add a "Do NOT..." in front of this verse. Could satan be involved in this? He sure likes deceiving Christians into doing the opposite of what Jesus tells them.

    John 14:15 - Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. Does someone who doesn't obey Jesus truly love Jesus then?
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello John. As Richard has given you the requested Scripture ( Ephesians 1:14), I will simply share my understanding of the verses 13 & 14: "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

    The Apostle Paul is writing to the believers that they also had put their trust in Jesus after they had heard & believed the Gospel. They were sealed by the Holy Spirit - the Spirit is given to all who love & trust Jesus for their salvation & their lives. The Holy Spirit, by His residence in the believer, ministers to our hearts in every way. Some of the ways are: teaching ( John 16:12-15); Guiding ( Romans 8:14); Assuring ( Romans 8:16); Praying ( Romans 8:26, Ephesians 6:18); Comforting/Helping ( John 14:26).

    But the foremost Work of the Spirit in the believer is to "seal" him, or 'set a mark' that we belong to Christ. And that is why Paul states in Romans 8:35-39 that nothing, absolutely nothing, can ever separate us "from the Love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord". And here in Ephesians, Paul is stating that our sealing (or, eternal security) by the Holy Spirit is our "earnest", or God's guarantee/pledge until our redemption. Some might say, 'I thought we were already redeemed when we believed & bought by Christ's precious Blood?' Yes, we were fully redeemed spiritually, i.e. inwardly, when we were born again, given a new Spirit, which is of God. But our flesh (body), still tainted with sin & prone to failure before God waits for, rather longs for the day when our redemption is made complete ( Romans 8:23). So Paul says in Ephesians, that our redemption will be made complete when we are taken from this Earth, given new bodies, outfitted for Heaven. And all praise & glory goes to the Lord Who has done all this for us.
  • Gerald - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Given the medium and the time misunderstandings can occur . My apologies then.

    The number of questions I have raised should not be taken as being troubled by any question the Bible may throw up . But rather they were put to provoke thought not needlessly stir up dust or in anyway undermine peoples faith in the Bible .

    But rather to show that many long held thinking and concepts do not hold up in the light of scripture .

    Sound doctrine always does .

    But you know the seed that fell by the way side in the parable of the sower?

    I think that is a well trodden path of our own thinking or passed down and accepted without scrutiny .

    So well an habitual way of thinking that no seed can last and the fowls of the fair simply take it away and produces no fruit .

    Nothing wrong with the seed " but by our traditions we make the Word of God of none effect "

    The world is going crazy and millions are chained to the chariot of the devil and are on their way to hell.

    I fear the church is too busy ' celebrating' to notice .

    When in truth such good news should be bursting at the seems of the church .

    Just as all the angels of heaven being a very disciplined lot held their peace while the message was given but once given heaven could no longer restrain itself and burst its banks in giving glory to God for having fulfilled His promise to mankind in the garden of Eden .
  • Falldown7standup8 - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    I think you misunderstood me Gerald. I was simply seeking to praise the lord! Brother Gerald, you asked me 11 questions?! I see you are passionate about god and his word brother. I pray god gives you the wisdom of when to speak and when not to speak. We as Christian men and women need to be able to express ourselves in love to one another. Not every word we say is going to be perfect, brother Gerald. I pray god wraps you in his love today! We need more AMENS! More alleluia's! Christ must reign. Yes, brother Gerald! I'm saying AMEN to you brother! I pray joy over your life! Moreover, I pray peace in your heart from anything that is troubling you. Jesus loves us Gerald! I appreciate your comments and questions very much! May the lord bless you in all you do!
  • Gerald - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    We were once indeed ' filthy and vile' and all our righteousnesses as filthy rags in His sight"

    But I see no where in the scriptures that we continue to be so after we are truly born again .

    For are we not now IN Christ and Christ IN us? If we are His?

    Are we not now made acceptable in Him ? Ephesians .

    Did not the prodigal son given a change if raiment, new shoes and a ring on his finger?

    Are we not commanded to " put off the old man " filthy and vile .and "put on Christ"?

    Indeed are we not crucified WITH Christ ? The old man " Buried with Christ"?

    The living are not buried only the dead .

    Jesus DIED and was buried .and all that was laid on Him with him .

    "For He who knew no sin became sin ."

    Not only must and should believe in his death and resurrection but we need to understand that we in and through Him died with Him .That filthy and vile sinner you speak of that " body of this death " by our faith in Him died also and was buried .

    Indeed by the scriptures it was while we were DEAD in our sins ,Christ died and raised us up together WITH Him .

    Ephesians .

    Into newness of LIFE not only raised us up together WITH Him but also made us sit together with Him in heavenly places" Ephesians.

    How then should we consider ourselves filthy and vile?

    How can we call unclean what God has called clean?

    How are we so vile on the inside if we are clothed with Christ? Impossible .

    For that would make us at best hypocrites far worse it would make God false who is only satisfied with the outward appearance.

    But if any man be IN Christ they are a new creation ,behold old things have passed away and behold ALL things have become new "

    God does a complete job or a perfect job .Are we saying then we are now sinless and perfect ? No.

    For this body is still subject to sin and death and corrupt . But what says the scriptures? "Let not sin REIGN in your mortal body "

    Why? Because if sin reigns you will obey .

    Christ must reign and if He does you will obey Him
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Peggy. You could look up the following Scriptures on Jesus Christ's Deity (i.e. God's fullness found in Jesus ( Colossians 2:9) & in His Holy Spirit). Jesus' Deity is proved by:

    a. His Names: Hebrews 1:8, John 20:28 (God); Matthew 16:16, Matthew 26:61-65 (the Son of God); Matthew 22:41-46 (Lord); Revelation 19:13 (Word of God); Revelation 19:16 (King of kings and Lord of lords).

    b. His Characteristics: Matthew 28:18 (Omnipotence: all powerful); Luke 6:8, John 2:24,25, John 13:11 (Omniscience: all knowing); Matthew 18:20 (Omnipresence: present in any place); John 1:4 (Life); John 14:6 (Truth); Hebrews 13:8 (Immutability: unchanging); 1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:1-14 (God manifest in the flesh in Jesus).

    c. His Works: John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 (creates); Colossians 1:17 (sustains); Luke 7:48,49 (forgives sin); John 11:41-44 (raises the dead); John 5:27 (judges); John 15:26 (sends the Holy Spirit).

    d. His receiving Worship: Hebrews 1:6 (from angels); Revelation 5:11-13 (from other heavenly beings); Matthew 14:33 (from men); Philippians 2:10 (from all).

    e. His equality within the Triune God: John 14:23, John 10:30-33 (with the Father); Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14 (with the Father and the Spirit).

    I hope you can see from these few Scriptures that Jesus was not just a special Man or Prophet sent by God, but truly was "God manifested in the flesh". No other man before Jesus' coming, during, or after His leaving this Earth, could ever fully reflect God's Glory, Wisdom & Power. Only God could - and He did this by sending us His Word, made Him a Man, so that He could give His Life as full payment for our sins - but only to those who believe this & place their trust in Him. To some, the 'Trinity' teaching is abominable. But man's salvation depends on the Divine Person of the Lord Jesus Christ - that God could accept no other Sacrifice to redeem & secure people to Himself - only by giving fully of Himself, which is true love for all.
  • Falldown7standup8 on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Praise be to The King of Kings! Hosanna in the highest! We serve an awesome and mighty GOD! Word's cannot not express the joy that awaits us in Heaven. Let us rejoice and praise and bask in the glory of GOD! Soften our hearts lord. Let us not be vain or puffed up against one another. We love you, We love your word. We are filthy and vile lord. You are our only hope, The author and finisher of our faith. Thou are art the only one found holy, oh lord. I will praise thee in the gates. I will sing of your holiness, your beauty and your righteousness. Filly my cup with the overflow of your abundant love. Cleanse my mind of impurity and evil. Lord I pray for all of the people on this forum lord. May your love overshadow them today in a mighty way. Bring tears of love and of joy to our eyes lord as we think of the beauty of your holiness and glory. Oh GOD, How great thou art! I love you King Jesus! I love you father! We love your spirit, Your holy spirit! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Alleluia! Praise be to the King of Kings!
  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    Who ARE YOU? 2 Corinthians 5:17!

    You cannot approach God in your natural birth! You are still in Adam and all ethnic groups have to come to God by the blood of the cross. John 14:6.

    Salvation didn't come by genealogy religion or ethnic group Salvation didn't come by anything Adam had to offer. Salvation came by the seed of the woman that's Christ.

    There's your new birth.

    If you belong to any ethnic group, religion, church or political party, without Christ you will be told I never knew you.

    Matthew 7:21-23.

    Abraham was asked to leave his father's pagan land and was promise a land flowing with milk and honey. In Hebrews it says this is the new Jerusalem. Hebrews 11:8-10.

    God said he will make a nation out of Abraham. (There is no value in the pagan land in which he came and there was no value in him when he came) He had to come to God by instrument of faith to receive grace, "as do we".

    We are the seed of Abraham and sons of God through faith.

    Salvation didn't come by the nation of Israel. The nation of Israel demonstrated there is no good thing in the flesh.

    God will put his spirit in Israel and Israel as a nation will be saved as we. Acts 15:8-11.

    There will be a new fold and One shepherd. John 10:16.

    God bless and good night.
  • Diane Fulton - 2 years ago
    please pray with me.

    Father God please open an offering for the job on Monday at 1:00 interview with 2 Directors. I believe you are calling me to this mission field with children. To help, care, guide & share Your Love ABBA.

    I thank You

    Humble me Oh God. In Your Son Jesus

    Amen I pray John 14:14 please cover me to keep in my rental condominium. I do appreciate your provisional support and promises. In Jesus Christ Holy name.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi.

    Here's part 2 of 2.

    Jesus said in John 14:15 if you love me, you will keep my commandments. When we experience God's love, His Spirit causes us to love. Perfect love is brought to its completion by receiving Christ.

    I concur with this brother because it was and still is a view I had before I heard it from him.

    It's Agape! You can't produce it, it's a fruit of the Spirit, you only can bare it by being connected to the true vine. Or genuine vine. "Christ."

    God bless and welcome to the site.
  • Saint Craig - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 2 years ago
    No man knows the day or hour of the Lord's return. In the book of Revelation, we are reading about the prophecy of events pertaining to the seven-year tribulation which will happen after the church (Body of Christ) is raptured to be taken out of the way of God's judgment to come upon the earth. Things we are seeing today are happening on a global scale and are the beginning of the end as I see it. The focus would be on Israel for the Bible tells us about the times of the Gentiles coming to a close and God turning back to Israel to fulfill His promise to Abraham as a people of earthly inheritance. Israel did become a nation in 1948 and has flourished as a people returning back to their homeland and the land has blossomed as prophesied in the bible. All these signs are before us today and we can say we are in the generation to see the Lord as mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:34. My heart rest in the fact of what Jesus said to not let your heart be troubled for where He is there you will be ( John 14:1-3). Promise is; where I go, He goes, and I can rest in the fact that He will never leave me nor forsake me. So, as a Child of God greater is He that is within me than he that is in the world. We are not on the losing team so why worry about tomorrow when we have now and can look forward to our eternity with Christ. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh (Luke21:28).
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Inami.

    Sorry for such a long delay in responding I went right off to bed after my last reply.

    A disciple of Christ is one who has truly believed on and trusted Christ and have been born of God's spirit. This is not professing to be born again and trying to live a righteous life or by serving or by going to church or by ministering. It's confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart that initiates God's spirit to take residence in you. You are baptized by the Holyspirit, meaning you are Identified with Christ. Christ righteous is imputed over on to you. You are then given a new heart with the ability to love and wants to obey him and serve him at your best. John 14:23-26.

    You will also love the brethren. John 13:34-35. 1 John 4:21.

    You can't redeem yourself! You are redeemed when you truly believe on the work Jesus did on the cross where he paid our ransom as mentioned.

    John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    Christianity isn't anything you "DO"

    A Christian is what you "BECOME" by the working of the Holyspirit. And you become that by truly trusting in Christ not the works of our own hands. Christ becomes the Lord over your life and the head of the body of Christians you have been baptized into.

    For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    Philippians 2:13.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi InaMi.

    We don't go to heaven by being good, nor in just believing in the existence of God. One would have to recognize his sinful and lost state and have faith in Gods plan of redemption.

    God is Holy and there is nothing man can do to reconcile himself to God.

    Romans 3:10-11 says "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

    There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    The wages of sin is death, we're all sinners and sin have to be paid for, so I don't like to say Christ done away with sin on the cross but rather "Christ paid the penalty for our sin on the cross". He was the sacrificial lamb, He died in our place. Jesus was sinless and when the Lord took upon our sin God the father didn't spare him.

    There is no way to the father but through the son. John 14:6.

    You asked "Is it right to put a good man into hell because he doesn't believe in God?

    No one is good but God as shown here in Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

    God Holiness is above our comprehension.

    Isaiah 55:6-9.

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Ephesians 1:13-14 states that we are sealed withe Spirit unto the day of redemption. Notwithstanding this; it is not a mere verbal statement that assures salvation. Therefore to those TRULY born again; indeed they are saved in a "once saved always saved" way. We all have as evidence of genuine faith a need to REPENT (turn from sin); but God actually GIVES us the desire to repent through the GIFT of repentance ( Acts 5:31; etal). It is more doctrinally sound to say that GOD elects or chooses those who will become adopted sons or inherited into the Kingdom ( Colossians 1:13; Romans 8:22-23). We must confess with our mouths; of course but that comes along with belief in the heart ( Romans 10:9). Those who are saved because they LOVE God they keep His commandments ( John 14:15). Those who are saved will bear fruit ( John 15:2). The surrounding scriptures and parable of the sower show that a person must pass through the temptations of the world and be proven to be true sons ( Hebrews 12:8). Those who are true believers are chastised as He does with all those He loves. The fruit of the Spirit eventually manifests; and God continues to prune (or sanctify) us to produce MORE fruit. The others fall away eventually to the world; flesh and devil; only God can save us from ourselves and these forces which are blinding those who don't know the Lord ( 2 Cor. 4:4).

    The 10 Commandments therefore are still in force today; but we are unable to follow with the MORE stringent matters of the heart which only again comes from the Spirit. Without this there is an outward obedience only. The only thing which has changed is the Sabbath Day; and I would say that Matthew 12:8 answers this by placing Sunday as the day of rest. This is also the only command that was peculiar to the nation of Israel; rather than universal law which clearly as shown with John the Baptist in matters of divorce holding for pagans as well. Other ceremonial rules changed with Peter's vision in Acts 10.
  • Adam - In Reply on Acts 24 - 2 years ago
    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    Luke 12:5

    John 14:15

    James 2:14-26

    Romans 6:1-2

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Matthew 12:31-32

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8

    Hebrews 3:12

    Romans 11

    The Bible answers this question quite clearly. Some are trying to use human logic through cherrypicking and misinterpreting a couple verses instead of simply believing God's truth through the whole Bible. Satan wants people to assume they have an insurance policy and license to commit unlimited sin and do whatever they want.

    Does the Bible even say you're instantly "saved" when you start to believe, or does it say that you can have hope of salvation and assurance of salvation if you are a genuine follower until the "end" on the day of judgment? Let's see if the Bible says "now" or in the "end"...

    Matthew 24:13

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    1 Peter 1:5

    - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    1 Peter 1:13

    "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    Hebrews 10:36

    "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    God's love; continued.

    It is imperative to maintain a balanced perspective of the Lord by scripture reading along with meditation and prayer. We should seek to obey the Lord because we love Him ( John 14:15). We need to pay attention to those associations we have; as many today have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. ( 2 Tim. 3:5). We are to AVOID all those who would claim to be Christians but living in a LIFESTYLE of continuing sin. This would include those teaching in ministry who are hobnobbing to benefit their popularity or financial stance with those who are promoting compromised or heretical doctrine at their conferences. There is a difference between those in the world who are lost and those who are putting Christ to shame. The house of God these days has become a place where there is often more concern for how visitors feel rather than a place instilling the fear of God and sound doctrines. The Lord will vomit out those who are lukewarm in the Laodicean style churches. We need to be careful not to be using empty praises while our lives are far from the Holiness He demands.

    Also according to 1 John we must love our brothers and sisters in the Body of Christ. ( 1 John 3:15). I find no need to name names; but we must be honest when those "heroes of the faith" that have written certain doctrines that we adhere to have lived less than exemplary lives. This is why it is dangerous to obsess on any teacher of the Word; Christian author or musician. Pride leads to a fall and we all need to be humble before God.

    In saying all this; it is important that in loving God with all our being (1st Commandment) certainly our emotions should be affected; but that is always secondary to the Holy Spirit's truth. The primary purpose of the Spirit is shown in John 16:8 (conviction of sin; righteousness and judgment to come). Our hearts need to produce good fruit as He lives in us. Only a true believer can love being chastised to conform us in Him
  • Adam - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    John 14:9

    "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

    "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father"

    Anyone that has seen Jesus has seen God the Father. Amen.

    Rev 19:13 - Jesus is the Word of God. And John 1:1 says "the Word was God"

    1 Timothy 3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh"

    Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born... The mighty God..."

    Amen.

    Praise God the Bible says exactly who Jesus is for ears that want to hear, for eyes that want to see.
  • Larry B on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Here it clearly say who Jesus Christ is. And the importance of the commandments .and clearly declare that the FATHER is greater than him 28. Take note also that another comforter will be send,because this is very tragic, the souls of everyone dies with him verses 16-20 assures the apostles.

    But the Roman Empire does not want that people achieve eternal life and salvation.hence they destroyed everything and everyone in Jerusalem including the temple and put the wrong people
  • Cindy - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear Amanda, your ex is right, 2 Corinthians 6:14 says, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"

    You say you "can't" agree with his beliefs.

    Have you been born again? Have you had an encounter with Jesus Christ that changed your life?

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

    Paul and Silas's jailer asked them in ACTS 16:30 ..."Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Their answer was as simple as this in ACTS 16:31 ..."Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved..." Simple as that.

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13.

    If you can say without a doubt you are a born-again believer--ask those questions. Attend church, pray, and read your Bible, for Romans 10:17 says, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

    Remember, God should be more important to you than anything in the world for John 14:6 says,

    "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." In other words, without Jesus Christ, you will go to hell.

    My prayers are for you!
  • T Levis - In Reply on James 1 - 2 years ago
    How to pray & how to endure through crisis = Luke 22:40, Matthew 6, Luke 11, Romans 8:26-39,

    Psalms 139, (remember the guy that wrote that, had to live in caves for a time, while fleeing unjust persecution,) Jesus himself had to encourage himself knowing while everyone else would abandon Him, GOD would not. John 16:32,33,

    Mark 14:38, Mark 11:13-26, Luke 21:36, Hebrews 13:3,5,6,

    Luke 18, John 14:16,

    2Timothy 2:3, 2Timothy 4:5, Matthew 24:13, Romans 8:18,

    Hopefully these help you
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    James 1:5, John 14:26,
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Jesus' prayers, a few; John 17, Matthew 6, Luke 11, Luke 23:33,34,46, John 12:28, John 14:13, John 14, Mark 1:35, Mark 14,

    Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24, John 13:4-16, John 19:23,

    Hopefully these are helpful


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