Thanks for the reply, however it is far from what I meant when I posted, I never mentioned anything about the love of God, I'm sorry but you missed this one by a mile! Nowhere close to the context.
Here's the verses I have given. John 13:34-35. and 1 John 2:1-11. 1 John 4:20-21. and yes these topics has shut down debates whether it's about the trinity, eternal security, baptism, etc. because I've posed these during several debates and no response afterwards.
Please read and go over the response I gave to Bro Dan that you're replying to again.
I felt led to address the phrase you used when addressing GiGi. It was a phrase use by Jesus when addressing the Sadducees, who appearing to twist the story from Tobit, because it clearly says "before they had lien with her". Tobit 3:8, Jesus went on to rebuke & say Mark 12:24,27 Also in Matthew 22:29,
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
I find it Amazing that out of the 2000 Characters allowed on these posts, If baptism is mentioned once it draws attention.
If you mention the command to love your brother "And that's whether he holds the same views of baptism or not " Love shuts the thread down!
Most will admit you can be baptized and not be saved, as well as every alter call in the local Church means someone got saved. But they passionately hold to the view you must be baptized by water to be saved!
As Texsis said the scripture doesn't say that. Nowhere!
I would love to see this intense debate on
John 13:34-35.
John 15.
And especially 1 John 2:1-11. Where it speaks of what's contuary to loving your brother which is hating your brother! and sadly over a view!
I'm not here to judge but it seems the fruit that confirms a live branch seems to be lacking from some!
Is this because the foundation you're they're standing on is built by your own works?
This Post was never about water baptism, It was about fruit barring, the old nature crucified, and the baptism of the Holyspirit which sanctifies a believer Positionally and practically and puts us in the body of Christ with other believers.
This is why I felt Texsis asked a good question that was fitting to the post. Because only the baptism of the Holyspirit brings new life and the beginning of a better covenant.
Here is what is highly ignored and is where by we "know! whether God spirit is in us or not. And is what should be a greater concern!
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34-35.
Here's the sum of it all.
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Let me show you what a dear Brother on this site shared,
Take a close look at verse 21! " He who love his God love his brother also!"
Do you notice that doesn't say He who love God "should love his brother also? It says He who love God love his brother ALSO!
This is confirmation that he is in you and you in him! This is a fruit produced by the Holyspirit! And something we have no control of.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh is in darkness.. 1 Jn 2:
David obeyed his father 1Samuel 16:11, 1Samuel 17:15,17,18,
David protected the sheep, & defended Israel, risking his life 1Samuel 17:34-37, 1Samuel 17:45-52,
David served even though he was anointted king , 1Samuel 16:1,13,21,23, John 13:3-15,
Jesus being the perfect example.
This Psalm says 2Samuel 22:1, is when GOD delivered David from death by king Saul's doing. If we go into scripture of that time. King saul had promised David his daughter in marriage at, 1Samuel 17:25, please read 1Samuel 17, through- 2Samuel 1, to get understanding of what David went through from Saul, he had one wife at the time he was finally given one by Saul that Saul later gave to another man. Abigal was the widow of Nabal.
Looking at the lineage Abraham & Israel possibly set the example of multiple wives, which was trouble to them, in Genesis, yes Isaac appears to have one wife. It didn't go well with David's household. These are examples also to cultures that believe in multiple wives.
Adultery is sin against someone else's spouse. If one or both are married to someone else. Etc.
I believe the scripture is pointing out David's innocent claims about being upright in his own mind because he didn't take revenge, jump the timing of his kingship, nor kill Saul when he had the chance. Please read, 1Samuel 24,
I know Christians tonight who will commit fornication. I know Christians who will be out partying tonight, getting drunk, possibly doing drugs. Some will lie, some may steal, some may assault others. They do this because they hear the watered down gospel and are told that they're already saved, that they're already in the book of life, so their actions are irrelevant, they assume.
Every Sunday when they go to church they then hear the same verses you shared which reassures them that they're totally fine following the pleasures of the world and can enjoy all the benefits of sin they wish, like an all you can eat buffet. But is that why Jesus died on the cross- so His followers can use that as a free hall pass to commit unlimited sin and evil? The Bible already says the answer is no.
So, everyone giving only part of the story of salvation and omitting the importance of obedience is doing a grave disservice. People will go to hell over this and people should actually fear God like it says in Matthew 10:28. But people are afraid of offending someone, that they withhold the truth. Did Jesus withhold the truth so no one was offended? Did Paul?
But what about offending God and offending Jesus? Those who don't obey and who sin is like slapping Jesus in the face.
I'm offended that people are withholding Bible verses from those who need to hear them the most. I am offended at false teachings.
The fact is Jesus gave lots of commandments. Do we truly love Jesus enough to follow them?
John 13:34
John 15:12
John 15:10
John 14:15
Deuteronomy 11:22
1 John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
The above verse should scare the daylights out of people who are currently loving and following the world. It should scare them to death and be the hugest wake up call. The end is near and time is short to get right with God. It won't happen automatically.
Dear God, We ask You for divine order in the lives of Mrs. B's kids lives. And mine as well. We pray first and foremost for their salvation and Your will for their lives. You have plans for them and we ask that anything and anyone that hinders them would be removed. We ask You Father to order their steps. Please don't let them be alone. It's not good for a man (or woman) to be alone. Bring them spouses who will love You Father. So they can lead lives that glorify You. We pray it in Jesus name.
Help us & our children to love You
Romans 8:28
And put food in us so our steps can be ordered by You. psalms 37:23
Dear God, Please help JB pay his rent. Please provide work for him. We praise You and glorify You. We know it's Your will to work if we are able to do so. Thank You Lord in advance! We ask it in Jesus name. Amen
John 13:35, "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
True Christians can not persecute true Christians; only false converts can encourage true Believers in Christ to suffer severe persecution for His names' sake. How will all men know without a shadow of a doubt, who are the real Christ followers verses the false professing ones?
The answer is stated in Matthew 7:16, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
Matthew 7:18, "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
Love is one of the fruits that is mentioned first in Galatians 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
1John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
True Love, God's Agape love does not persecute another child of God for doing what God says to do in His Holy Word. A person will know who is who by the fruit on a person's tree. That is how an Believer will be able to discern a true Christ followers from an affected (phony) one.
That is why in John 16:2 it says, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."
When Saul before he became Paul before he had a road to Damascus experience: he was on a mission to slaughter all the Christians in certain territories, when Christ, thank God, interrupted his plans. Paul considered himself the least of the apostles because of his past persecutions against the church of God.
1Corinthians 15:9, "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."
But now that Saul was transformed by the Holy Spirit, he is now a new creature.
Brother James, God's will is that all men come to LIFE and TRUTH.
I have a question?
What do you do when you depart this body of flesh? When only the spirit remains.
Hebrews 12:23 ....and to the spirits of just men made perfect....
Some of these men (apostles) were made perfect 2000 years ago; what have they been doing for 2000 years?
John 13:36 ....Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now (while you are in the flesh); but thou shall follow me afterwards (when only the spirit remains).
Christ is IN CREATION, (as the Holy Ghost), giving creation LIFE and bringing creation to TRUTH:
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ...
Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE GOD, and FATHER OF ALL...
God is LIFE and TRUTH.
When you leave this flesh and only spirit remains, you are ONE with GOD, ONE SPIRIT, ONE LIFE, ONE TRUTH.
Revelation 10:11 .....thou (John, also you as a ministering spirit) must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
John told the disciples to go unto ALL THE NATIONS preaching the kingdom of God; this is only possible after you become a spirit of a just man MADE PERFECT.
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Jesus said Judas "is a devil," not "will become a devil."
The record of John 6 was long before the record of John 13.
John 13:2
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
If Judas was ever made righteous by faith, where is the evidence? He walked with Jesus but so did others who were not saved.
Jesus said of Judas in Mark 14:
21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
The OT prophesied of Judas
Psalm 109:6-8
King James Version
6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
I believe Jesus knew from the beginning that Judas was unsaved and would never get saved and chose him to serve alongside the other 11 apostles just the same.
8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
Love the Book of Romans. Here in ch. 8 we see a very clear explanation on how the Spirit filled Christian is to live. We stand by faith, and our faith in Christ is the means of our salvation. 1 Pt. 1:5 tells us we are kept by the power of God through faith, which is a living continual faith that is rooted in love and obedience to Christ. Now, some may say "What does it mean to be obedient to Christ?". It not only means to believe on Him, but, to express it in love ( John 13:34; 1 John ch. 1-2). How can we, as followers of Christ, say he is our Savior from sin and the penalty of sin, but, continue living in willful sin? We can't. Some will say that I am preaching a "work-based salvation", but, I am preaching a Biblical based salvation. One that is centered on the committing and dedicating our lives to the one, and only one, who gave His life for forgiveness of our sins! Only those who truly commit their lives to Christ will be saved. Anyone who claims Christ, but, lives in the flesh is not fit for the Kingdom of Heaven.
We, as followers of Christ, need to follow the Holy Spirit and set our minds on the things above. We were once alienated from Christ based on our wicked works ( Eph. 2: 2-3). We were once children of darkness, but, now are saved by the blood of Christ. He is the one who presents us holy and un-blamable in the sight of God IF we continue in the faith ( Col. 1: 21-23; Gal. 5: 1-5). We also see that Biblical faith is one that expresses itself in love ( gal. 5: 6). We need to remember that only those who endure to the end in faith will reap eternal life ( Romans 2: 6-11; Gal. 6: 7-9; Mt. 10: 22; 1 Jn. 2: 24-25; 1 Cor. 15; 1-2).
People don't go to heaven, flesh and blood CAN NOT inherit the kingdom of GOD.
Man, thru TRUTH, is changed into the IMAGE of CHRIST.
This is the good news of the gospel, we are going to be the LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
At present Christ is in the form of the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of the Father, abiding IN MAN, bring creation to TRUTH.
By coming to Truth; the SECOND COMING of Christ, as the Holy Ghost, teaching you from WITHIN, man is transformed by the renewing of their mind: into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
When we depart this body of flesh we are instantly in the PRESENCE OF THE HOLY GHOST, THE LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
Christ knows all men, therefore you also will know all men, because you have become ONE WITH CHRIST.
John 13:36 ....Whether I go, thou canst not follow me now (flesh and blood, CAN NOT), but thou shall follow me afterwards (when you depart this body of flesh and only THE SPIRIT REMAINS, by TRUTH, you have become ONE WITH THE SPIRIT.
Hebrews 12:23 ....and to the SPIRITS of of just men MADE PERFECT (having their being IN CHRIST).
I've never heard a comment quite like that one, Linda. Interesting...but I must differ.
It's very true that Jesus spoke to Peter in that very straight way, for at that one particular moment, Peter became a 'satan', an adversary, attempting to block Jesus from His necessary sufferings on our behalf.
However, we must look at ALL Scripture. Jesus restored Peter ( John 21); Peter had a very productive ministry, which we to this day are benefiting from. Praise the Lord. NO devil, no, not satan himself, is restored! He is forever cut off and lost.
By the FRUITS we know people. The Pharisees were told by Christ that they were of their father, the devil, because they were doing his works, his lusts!!
Peter, though he failed miserably out of human infirmity, he was never a devil. He sealed his testimony with his own blood.
Judas, on the other hand, had satan enter him, John 13:27, and fully possessed him; Judas betrayed Christ to death...thus, in both his lying and murdering, these wicked fruits - showed that he was a devil, and perished like one, in self-murder.
There is a vast distinction between Peter's character and Judas's, and both show from where they were 'born' from; Peter was truly born from above; Judas was of his father the devil.
Philip Christian Parks on Matthew 22 - 2 years ago
Friend; Mt. 22:12 = In the New Testament, two root words translate into the term "friend". The first, and most often used, is the Greek noun root (pronounced "FEE-los") which speaks of brotherly love (e.g. CHRIST's love for HIS "friend" Lazarus; Jn. 11:11).
But here, "friend" translates from the Greek noun root (transliterated "hetairos"; pronounced "het-ah-EE-ros"). This term speaks of two close associates who are bound by mutual obligations such as in business ventures wherein both must equally trust, confide, and depend upon the other. Such is the use of the term "friend" in this parable as well as that used by the householder when responding to the employee's complaint concerning his wages ( Mt. 20:13):
"But he (the householder) answered one of them, and said, Friend (Greek "hetairos"), I do thee (the employee) no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?"
The king's use of the word "friend" proves highly ironic for this attendee was unconcerned, and possibly even rebellious toward the dress requirement. By blatantly violating such a visible requirement as refusing to wear a "wedding garment", this attendee revealed his lack of cooperation and resistance to other obligations as well (cp. Ps. 55:12-14 & 20-21).
Of note, JESUS addressed Judah Iscariot as "friend" when Judas betrayed HIM ( Mt. 26:50):
"JESUS said unto him (Judas), Friend (Greek "hetairos"), wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on JESUS, and took HIM."
The verse above ( Mt. 26:50) fulfilled the prophecy recorded in Psalm 41:9:
"Yea, MINE own familiar* friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of MY bread, hath lifted up his heel against me."
* Hebrew "shalom" = English "peace".
While Judas was CHRIST's "friend" only through his feigned and hypocritical discipleship, he perfectly fits in the context of a "familiar friend" ( Ps. 41:9) as John 13:18 & 26-27 describes: "I know whom I have chosen:He that eateth bread with ME hath lifted up his heel against ME."
Hello Roberta. Not knowing the exact nature of the matter or conflict between you & your granddaughter, I can only share some verses for you to look up & take to heart. I hope that they will minister to you both at your points of need. You can hover over the Scriptures with your mouse/pointing device or look them up in the Bible (also given here on this KJBO Site).
James 4:10; Ephesians 4:31,32; John 15:12; Romans 12:9,10; Philippians 2:3,4; Colossians 3:12-16; 1 Corinthians 13:4-7; Ephesians 4:2,3; Galatians 5:22-26; John 13:34,35 (given to re-emphasize John 15:12).
Dear "Janet D", Body, soul and Spirit all belong to the Lord. Jesus came to earth for us in a carnal state. Compared to Him, we are sinners. He was/is not. But on the Cross God neeeded too leave Him, so Jesus could die. Jesus had to use his last strength in a few words. Mark 15:34
When we say we are not sinners it is because Jesus simply, the one / those who believe in Me will be saved. John 14:6. We are washed clean of what He bled on Calvary. John 13:10 What was before Christ was a lawful deed. Is now by His offer given us freedom from the law. Jesus fulfilled the whole law.
I can not give you any shortcuts. But for your own part, read the New Testament and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. Also read the references to the old testament. Get the assurance of salvation dear.
The apostle Paul writes a lot about Sanctification, the body of sin and salvation in his letters, example Romans 8
Be and stay blessed in His Holy Name, love u in Christ.
I think if you trace out commentaries on Judas in the Gospels and Acts you get the answers to both of your questions.
The set of scriptures that speak about Judas before he committed himself to betray Jesus are: Mark 3:13-19, Luke 6:13-16, John 6:61-71
The event that triggered Judas to act on his decision to betray Jesus: Matthew 26:6-16, Mark 14:3-11, John 12:3-8
Judas identified as betrayer at the last supper: Matthew 26:20-25, Mark 14:17-21, Luke 22:21-22, John 13:18-31
Once his betrayal was set in motion: John 17:9-12
At the betrayal: Matthew 26:45-50, Mark 14:40-46, Luke 22:45-48, John 18:1-9
After completing his betrayal: Matthew 27:3-10, Acts 1:16 and Acts 1:20
We must acknowledge Jn 2:24-25 was true of Christ before He chose any of His disciples. He was never deceived by anyone that temporarily followed him but fell away, including Judas, John 6:64. No prophet had been in Israel for centuries, so Christ alone had this ability when He came until Pentacost. After Pentacost the hearts of certain individuals could be revealed by Christ's Spirit to born again believers that are specially given that gift, such as Peter ( Acts 5:1-13, Acts 8:1-25) Note, Jusas, Ananias and Saphira, and Simon all had their hearts exposed as false thru their follies with money.
Judas was a disciple and he was broken off the vine, but he never had the fruit of the Holy Spirit and was never pronounced pruned/cleaned by the Father or Jesus. We know this because Judas was broken off by the Father before Jesus told the disciples they were pruned/cleaned branches abiding in Him, the true vine, who would bear fruit in John 15. Judas was marked unclean, he was never born again of the Spirit at Pentacost or made an Apostle for the great commission. He died a disciple without the fruitful presence of the Holy Spirit. He is proof that false fruitless brethren can be among us who depart 1 Jn 2:18-20, but not proof some are broken off by God who actually bear fruit by abiding in Jesus.
Thanks for the reply, however it is far from what I meant when I posted, I never mentioned anything about the love of God, I'm sorry but you missed this one by a mile! Nowhere close to the context.
Here's the verses I have given. John 13:34-35. and 1 John 2:1-11. 1 John 4:20-21. and yes these topics has shut down debates whether it's about the trinity, eternal security, baptism, etc. because I've posed these during several debates and no response afterwards.
Please read and go over the response I gave to Bro Dan that you're replying to again.
It's getting late, I will cover this tomorrow.
God night and God bless.
Sorry for a delayed response, I've been working and replying all day.
You've given me Mathew 22:40. That's not the verses I gave you and the Mathew verse you gave is out of context.
Here is the verses I gave. John 13:34-35. 1 John 2:1-11. and 1 John 4:21. It's getting late so let's take this up tomorrow.
Thanks and God bless.
John 13:34-35, Romans 12:10, 1Timothy 5:1-2,
I felt led to address the phrase you used when addressing GiGi. It was a phrase use by Jesus when addressing the Sadducees, who appearing to twist the story from Tobit, because it clearly says "before they had lien with her". Tobit 3:8, Jesus went on to rebuke & say Mark 12:24,27 Also in Matthew 22:29,
James 1:16-27, Galatians 5:15-26,
Let's us try to be kinder, not bitey
1 John 2:11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
I find it Amazing that out of the 2000 Characters allowed on these posts, If baptism is mentioned once it draws attention.
If you mention the command to love your brother "And that's whether he holds the same views of baptism or not " Love shuts the thread down!
Most will admit you can be baptized and not be saved, as well as every alter call in the local Church means someone got saved. But they passionately hold to the view you must be baptized by water to be saved!
As Texsis said the scripture doesn't say that. Nowhere!
I would love to see this intense debate on
John 13:34-35.
John 15.
And especially 1 John 2:1-11. Where it speaks of what's contuary to loving your brother which is hating your brother! and sadly over a view!
I'm not here to judge but it seems the fruit that confirms a live branch seems to be lacking from some!
Is this because the foundation you're they're standing on is built by your own works?
This Post was never about water baptism, It was about fruit barring, the old nature crucified, and the baptism of the Holyspirit which sanctifies a believer Positionally and practically and puts us in the body of Christ with other believers.
This is why I felt Texsis asked a good question that was fitting to the post. Because only the baptism of the Holyspirit brings new life and the beginning of a better covenant.
God bless.
Here is what is highly ignored and is where by we "know! whether God spirit is in us or not. And is what should be a greater concern!
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34-35.
Here's the sum of it all.
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Let me show you what a dear Brother on this site shared,
Take a close look at verse 21! " He who love his God love his brother also!"
Do you notice that doesn't say He who love God "should love his brother also? It says He who love God love his brother ALSO!
This is confirmation that he is in you and you in him! This is a fruit produced by the Holyspirit! And something we have no control of.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh is in darkness.. 1 Jn 2:
Also note 2Timothy 2:19, sealed, but commanded depart from iniquity
Hebrews 3:6-19,
John 13:34, Romans 12:10,
Hopefully these are helpful
Acts 13:22,
David obeyed his father 1Samuel 16:11, 1Samuel 17:15,17,18,
David protected the sheep, & defended Israel, risking his life 1Samuel 17:34-37, 1Samuel 17:45-52,
David served even though he was anointted king , 1Samuel 16:1,13,21,23, John 13:3-15,
Jesus being the perfect example.
This Psalm says 2Samuel 22:1, is when GOD delivered David from death by king Saul's doing. If we go into scripture of that time. King saul had promised David his daughter in marriage at, 1Samuel 17:25, please read 1Samuel 17, through- 2Samuel 1, to get understanding of what David went through from Saul, he had one wife at the time he was finally given one by Saul that Saul later gave to another man. Abigal was the widow of Nabal.
Looking at the lineage Abraham & Israel possibly set the example of multiple wives, which was trouble to them, in Genesis, yes Isaac appears to have one wife. It didn't go well with David's household. These are examples also to cultures that believe in multiple wives.
Adultery is sin against someone else's spouse. If one or both are married to someone else. Etc.
I believe the scripture is pointing out David's innocent claims about being upright in his own mind because he didn't take revenge, jump the timing of his kingship, nor kill Saul when he had the chance. Please read, 1Samuel 24,
Hopefully these are all helpful
I know Christians tonight who will commit fornication. I know Christians who will be out partying tonight, getting drunk, possibly doing drugs. Some will lie, some may steal, some may assault others. They do this because they hear the watered down gospel and are told that they're already saved, that they're already in the book of life, so their actions are irrelevant, they assume.
Every Sunday when they go to church they then hear the same verses you shared which reassures them that they're totally fine following the pleasures of the world and can enjoy all the benefits of sin they wish, like an all you can eat buffet. But is that why Jesus died on the cross- so His followers can use that as a free hall pass to commit unlimited sin and evil? The Bible already says the answer is no.
So, everyone giving only part of the story of salvation and omitting the importance of obedience is doing a grave disservice. People will go to hell over this and people should actually fear God like it says in Matthew 10:28. But people are afraid of offending someone, that they withhold the truth. Did Jesus withhold the truth so no one was offended? Did Paul?
But what about offending God and offending Jesus? Those who don't obey and who sin is like slapping Jesus in the face.
I'm offended that people are withholding Bible verses from those who need to hear them the most. I am offended at false teachings.
The fact is Jesus gave lots of commandments. Do we truly love Jesus enough to follow them?
John 13:34
John 15:12
John 15:10
John 14:15
Deuteronomy 11:22
1 John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
The above verse should scare the daylights out of people who are currently loving and following the world. It should scare them to death and be the hugest wake up call. The end is near and time is short to get right with God. It won't happen automatically.
God bless.
Help us & our children to love You
Romans 8:28
And put food in us so our steps can be ordered by You. psalms 37:23
In Jesus name.
John 13:13-14
A word of encouragement for you;
John 15:9
John 13:13-14
I've read a few of his quotes but that one bypassed me.
The bible speaks of this falling away throughout scripture, even symbolic in the Leaven offered in shavuot.
It's no comfort to me to engage in this debate in such manner. It's actually heart breaking.
If nothing else you're blessed with the clarity of scripture being played out before your very eyes. It declares the truth.
Jesus foretold his desciples many things for them to observe that they might believe.
John 13:19.
John 14:29.
Thank you and God bless.
True Christians can not persecute true Christians; only false converts can encourage true Believers in Christ to suffer severe persecution for His names' sake. How will all men know without a shadow of a doubt, who are the real Christ followers verses the false professing ones?
The answer is stated in Matthew 7:16, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
Matthew 7:18, "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
Love is one of the fruits that is mentioned first in Galatians 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
1John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
True Love, God's Agape love does not persecute another child of God for doing what God says to do in His Holy Word. A person will know who is who by the fruit on a person's tree. That is how an Believer will be able to discern a true Christ followers from an affected (phony) one.
That is why in John 16:2 it says, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."
When Saul before he became Paul before he had a road to Damascus experience: he was on a mission to slaughter all the Christians in certain territories, when Christ, thank God, interrupted his plans. Paul considered himself the least of the apostles because of his past persecutions against the church of God.
1Corinthians 15:9, "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."
But now that Saul was transformed by the Holy Spirit, he is now a new creature.
I have a question?
What do you do when you depart this body of flesh? When only the spirit remains.
Hebrews 12:23 ....and to the spirits of just men made perfect....
Some of these men (apostles) were made perfect 2000 years ago; what have they been doing for 2000 years?
John 13:36 ....Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now (while you are in the flesh); but thou shall follow me afterwards (when only the spirit remains).
Christ is IN CREATION, (as the Holy Ghost), giving creation LIFE and bringing creation to TRUTH:
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ...
Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE GOD, and FATHER OF ALL...
God is LIFE and TRUTH.
When you leave this flesh and only spirit remains, you are ONE with GOD, ONE SPIRIT, ONE LIFE, ONE TRUTH.
Revelation 10:11 .....thou (John, also you as a ministering spirit) must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
John told the disciples to go unto ALL THE NATIONS preaching the kingdom of God; this is only possible after you become a spirit of a just man MADE PERFECT.
The IMAGE OF GOD.
GOD is SPIRIT.
God Bless YOU!
John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Jesus said Judas "is a devil," not "will become a devil."
The record of John 6 was long before the record of John 13.
John 13:2
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
If Judas was ever made righteous by faith, where is the evidence? He walked with Jesus but so did others who were not saved.
Jesus said of Judas in Mark 14:
21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
The OT prophesied of Judas
Psalm 109:6-8
King James Version
6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
I believe Jesus knew from the beginning that Judas was unsaved and would never get saved and chose him to serve alongside the other 11 apostles just the same.
8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
We, as followers of Christ, need to follow the Holy Spirit and set our minds on the things above. We were once alienated from Christ based on our wicked works ( Eph. 2: 2-3). We were once children of darkness, but, now are saved by the blood of Christ. He is the one who presents us holy and un-blamable in the sight of God IF we continue in the faith ( Col. 1: 21-23; Gal. 5: 1-5). We also see that Biblical faith is one that expresses itself in love ( gal. 5: 6). We need to remember that only those who endure to the end in faith will reap eternal life ( Romans 2: 6-11; Gal. 6: 7-9; Mt. 10: 22; 1 Jn. 2: 24-25; 1 Cor. 15; 1-2).
People don't go to heaven, flesh and blood CAN NOT inherit the kingdom of GOD.
Man, thru TRUTH, is changed into the IMAGE of CHRIST.
This is the good news of the gospel, we are going to be the LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
At present Christ is in the form of the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of the Father, abiding IN MAN, bring creation to TRUTH.
By coming to Truth; the SECOND COMING of Christ, as the Holy Ghost, teaching you from WITHIN, man is transformed by the renewing of their mind: into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
When we depart this body of flesh we are instantly in the PRESENCE OF THE HOLY GHOST, THE LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
Christ knows all men, therefore you also will know all men, because you have become ONE WITH CHRIST.
John 13:36 ....Whether I go, thou canst not follow me now (flesh and blood, CAN NOT), but thou shall follow me afterwards (when you depart this body of flesh and only THE SPIRIT REMAINS, by TRUTH, you have become ONE WITH THE SPIRIT.
Hebrews 12:23 ....and to the SPIRITS of of just men MADE PERFECT (having their being IN CHRIST).
God Bless You!
It's very true that Jesus spoke to Peter in that very straight way, for at that one particular moment, Peter became a 'satan', an adversary, attempting to block Jesus from His necessary sufferings on our behalf.
However, we must look at ALL Scripture. Jesus restored Peter ( John 21); Peter had a very productive ministry, which we to this day are benefiting from. Praise the Lord. NO devil, no, not satan himself, is restored! He is forever cut off and lost.
By the FRUITS we know people. The Pharisees were told by Christ that they were of their father, the devil, because they were doing his works, his lusts!!
Peter, though he failed miserably out of human infirmity, he was never a devil. He sealed his testimony with his own blood.
Judas, on the other hand, had satan enter him, John 13:27, and fully possessed him; Judas betrayed Christ to death...thus, in both his lying and murdering, these wicked fruits - showed that he was a devil, and perished like one, in self-murder.
There is a vast distinction between Peter's character and Judas's, and both show from where they were 'born' from; Peter was truly born from above; Judas was of his father the devil.
I am aware of these Scriptures. I leave it up to Jesus to determine what this will entail. But for me, I don't dwell on ruling over
anyone, but instead seek to follow Christ's example and words from Luke 22:25-27; John 13:1-17 and elsewhere where our
Lord instructs His followers to be servants, not rulers and to follow His example (washing their feet) and that those who wish to
be great in the kingdom must be the servant of all. So, I do not glory in the designation of believers being "kings and priests of
the Most High" as the King of Kings was humble and a willing servant. That is what I want my attitude to do.
I just think that those who desire to rule over angels and others have an unhealthy and devilish attitude.
But here, "friend" translates from the Greek noun root (transliterated "hetairos"; pronounced "het-ah-EE-ros"). This term speaks of two close associates who are bound by mutual obligations such as in business ventures wherein both must equally trust, confide, and depend upon the other. Such is the use of the term "friend" in this parable as well as that used by the householder when responding to the employee's complaint concerning his wages ( Mt. 20:13):
"But he (the householder) answered one of them, and said, Friend (Greek "hetairos"), I do thee (the employee) no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?"
The king's use of the word "friend" proves highly ironic for this attendee was unconcerned, and possibly even rebellious toward the dress requirement. By blatantly violating such a visible requirement as refusing to wear a "wedding garment", this attendee revealed his lack of cooperation and resistance to other obligations as well (cp. Ps. 55:12-14 & 20-21).
Of note, JESUS addressed Judah Iscariot as "friend" when Judas betrayed HIM ( Mt. 26:50):
"JESUS said unto him (Judas), Friend (Greek "hetairos"), wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on JESUS, and took HIM."
The verse above ( Mt. 26:50) fulfilled the prophecy recorded in Psalm 41:9:
"Yea, MINE own familiar* friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of MY bread, hath lifted up his heel against me."
* Hebrew "shalom" = English "peace".
While Judas was CHRIST's "friend" only through his feigned and hypocritical discipleship, he perfectly fits in the context of a "familiar friend" ( Ps. 41:9) as John 13:18 & 26-27 describes: "I know whom I have chosen:He that eateth bread with ME hath lifted up his heel against ME."
Hidden gems of Prophetic mystery until Jesus fulfilled many. Luke 24, Luke 24:27, Revelation 12:4-11, Revelation 20,
I recommend reading the Bible & prayer, the movies aren't fully accurate, they seem to focus on the art, not Truth
James 4:10; Ephesians 4:31,32; John 15:12; Romans 12:9,10; Philippians 2:3,4; Colossians 3:12-16; 1 Corinthians 13:4-7; Ephesians 4:2,3; Galatians 5:22-26; John 13:34,35 (given to re-emphasize John 15:12).
Your opening comments are very interesting.
The things you say of me are exactly what you are doing.
You also didn't address the passage in 1 Cor 15:45, you totally ignored it.
Luke 3:38 Adam is called the son of God. Jesus is compared to him.
He is also the son of God. The two Adams. The first one failed the second one didn't.
Jesus is now at the right hand of God and Jesus has been given all power from God.
Jesus will reign until the last enemy is destroyed and that enemy is death.
Then Jesus gives everything back to God and is subject to him. 1 Cor 15:28
You say I denied Jesus divinity. What do you mean by that? Jesus is at Gods right hand.
He is Gods son. He is in a very divine position.
But is he God? No, he is the son of God. No ware in the scriptures is he called God the Son.
Lets look at some of the scriptures you sent me.
John 14:6 Consider John 5:30, 6:38, 7:16, 14:24,31
His words were his Fathers not his own. The doctrine he spoke wasn't his. He didn't do his own will but his Fathers.
This is why Jesus said I and my Father are one. John 10:30
The Jews accused Jesus of saying he was God. Where did he direct them? Psalm 82:6-7
The scripture called men gods. They were the rulers of Israel. They were Gods representatives.
1 John 5:7 This verse is very interesting. It is not included in a number of other versions.
These are American Standard Version, Bible in Basic English, Easy to Read Version, English Standard Version, Good News Bible,
International Standard Version, Revised Version and World English Version. Why is it not included in these versions?
Jesus was sent and the one sending is greater then the one being sent. John 13:16
Jesus was in the beginning with God in that God new what man was about. Man would need a saviour.
Geneses 3:15 The seed of the woman. Before Abraham was, I Am.
Yes, it all has to start with trust in Jesus CHRIST & His name for Salvation! If someone truly trusts in Jesus they will love others
When we say we are not sinners it is because Jesus simply, the one / those who believe in Me will be saved. John 14:6. We are washed clean of what He bled on Calvary. John 13:10 What was before Christ was a lawful deed. Is now by His offer given us freedom from the law. Jesus fulfilled the whole law.
I can not give you any shortcuts. But for your own part, read the New Testament and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. Also read the references to the old testament. Get the assurance of salvation dear.
The apostle Paul writes a lot about Sanctification, the body of sin and salvation in his letters, example Romans 8
Be and stay blessed in His Holy Name, love u in Christ.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
The set of scriptures that speak about Judas before he committed himself to betray Jesus are: Mark 3:13-19, Luke 6:13-16, John 6:61-71
The event that triggered Judas to act on his decision to betray Jesus: Matthew 26:6-16, Mark 14:3-11, John 12:3-8
Judas identified as betrayer at the last supper: Matthew 26:20-25, Mark 14:17-21, Luke 22:21-22, John 13:18-31
Once his betrayal was set in motion: John 17:9-12
At the betrayal: Matthew 26:45-50, Mark 14:40-46, Luke 22:45-48, John 18:1-9
After completing his betrayal: Matthew 27:3-10, Acts 1:16 and Acts 1:20
We must acknowledge Jn 2:24-25 was true of Christ before He chose any of His disciples. He was never deceived by anyone that temporarily followed him but fell away, including Judas, John 6:64. No prophet had been in Israel for centuries, so Christ alone had this ability when He came until Pentacost. After Pentacost the hearts of certain individuals could be revealed by Christ's Spirit to born again believers that are specially given that gift, such as Peter ( Acts 5:1-13, Acts 8:1-25) Note, Jusas, Ananias and Saphira, and Simon all had their hearts exposed as false thru their follies with money.
Judas was a disciple and he was broken off the vine, but he never had the fruit of the Holy Spirit and was never pronounced pruned/cleaned by the Father or Jesus. We know this because Judas was broken off by the Father before Jesus told the disciples they were pruned/cleaned branches abiding in Him, the true vine, who would bear fruit in John 15. Judas was marked unclean, he was never born again of the Spirit at Pentacost or made an Apostle for the great commission. He died a disciple without the fruitful presence of the Holy Spirit. He is proof that false fruitless brethren can be among us who depart 1 Jn 2:18-20, but not proof some are broken off by God who actually bear fruit by abiding in Jesus.
Matthew 25:40 in context Matthew 25:31-46, Ephesians 2:20-22,
What the Church is not/ should not be = Matthew 23,
Hopefully these are helpful