Discuss John 13

  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY - 1 month ago
    Day 15 January 15, 2025 John 13:34-35

    West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar

    Me being a member at West Angeles Cogic Church Cathedral Los Angeles CA

    John 13:34 KJV

    My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

    "A language you can understand.How to love God. Loving God. Adorned-Example Reverence Scripture-Revelations 21:2 KJV. Not to default and defraud. Identified Christian to be in Love of God with another.

    Ways you can be in the Love of God are listen to his voice and word to obey, follow and do it. Quoted scripture for Christians Romans 12:2 KJV

    Examples of God's love ,loving God,Love of God is Galatians 5:22 KJV, 1 Corinthians 13 to have faith and holiness.

    John 13:Verse 35

    My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY

    " Disciple-Showing the holy bible (Jesus Christ) is life. To see Jesus Christ commandments as the truth and believe (passed from death to life) John 3:16 KJV-Allowing the grace of God work upon your hearts.

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  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY - 3 months ago
    To be like Jesus is amazing

    John 13:33-14:6 KJV

    Jesus is the only way to the Father and to the full-My interpetation meekness and earth. JOHN 10:10 KJV

    John 3:16 KJV Reveals Jesus Christ God the Father love is enough to have what you say and listen to holiness and do what said or asked.

    I give God thanksgiving for allowing me to speak in holiness to have what I say and ask.

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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Jesse,

    Brother, what you do is appreciated, you inspire study. I hope you do not mind this is my understanding, you say Jesus is not sitting on the right of God on His throne, that is an idiom, this means it is saying this is the person that has authority and power, and I agree but was given authority and power, but not with we will not see Jesus, Revelation 21:22. If we also read Ephesians 1:17-23 along with Acts 5:31 it says God exalted Jesus, exalted, the Greek word hupsoo means to lift or raise up, to exalt, raise high.

    Ephesians 1:20-21, God raised Jesus and set Him; the Greek word kathizo means make to sit; I set, appoint a physical position of the power of the throne, that is God's divine power and authority over all of creation. After Jesus was raised from the dead, Psalm 8:6 Philippians 2:9-10. This will be until all enemies are under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. The throne can also mean sharing in honor and glory by overcoming as we see in Revelation 3:21.

    Jesus has been given this position, we know God placed Jesus above all in heaven and earth and under the earth Ephesians 1:19-21. Jesus was raised in a glorified body, and we will be raised in a body as His, Philippians 3:21. Jesus ascended and is in heaven in that glorified body, Acts 1:10 and when He returns it will be in that same glorified body, Revelation 19.

    The other words that throw light on this are Matthew 28:18 and John 13:3, given the Greek word didomi which means to give, to give something to someone, to bestow a gift, to appoint to an office, to supply, furnish necessary things. Something given to you that you did not have before it was given like salvation and eternal life is given, godliness, 2 Peter 1:3-8.

    We also have Matthew 11:27 "All things are delivered unto me of my Father" delivered the Greek word paradidomi a close word to didomi properly to give, hand over, to deliver over with a sense of close personal involvement.

    Thank you and God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    ( Eternal ) life.

    1 John 3:20.

    For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

    Nevertheless, when our hearts are rightly related to Him, then there is a confidence given to us:

    Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. (v. 21)

    Furthermore, when we are in His will, there are added tokens that we are His children:

    And whatever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. (v. 22)

    Answered prayer is an argument that one is a legitimate child of God. The prayer life of the believer is vital in assuring the soul of salvation.

    Love for the Brethren!!

    A love for the brethren and a passion for the souls of men are evidence that we are children of God. One of the most convicting and confirming facts sealing assurance to the heart is love of the brethren. Scripture is positive at this point:

    We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. ( 1 John 3:14)

    Animosity and hatred in the heart will rob the child of God of assurance. Malice toward another Christian produces bitterness of soul and is therefore not a fertile soil to cultivate assurance. Malice is condensed anger. Lack of love for another believer robs more Christians of real enjoyment and satisfaction in the Christian life than perhaps any other single factor. It not only blights the soul of the Christian, but it also destroys any public testimony:

    By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. ( John 13:35)

    To love other believers is not elective:

    These things I command you, that ye love one another. ( John 15:17)

    Do not let a little root of bitterness rob you of assurance. Make things right with other believers.

    See Part 9.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    You're welcome Brother Jesse.

    By the way, I was specifically speaking of John 13:34-35.

    Understanding what defines command and understanding how it applies, especially in this passage is very important.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 24):

    John 13:21 - When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

    The word troubled means agitated, TARASO, agitated! If you picture a top loading washing machine, that's what it means, just going back and forth. He is agitated. The term "in spirit" doesn't mean the Holy Spirit. It means His inner person, His inner self. He was troubled. The word "betray" means deliver over.

    John 13:22 - Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.

    Then the disciples looked, and that's the Imperfect Tense. They were continuously looking one to another, doubting of whom he spake.

    John 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    Jesus says, a new commandment I give unto you. And I want to share a technical Greek point here with you. He says "A new commandment I give to you, that ye love one another;

    In the Greek text, there is what is called a "HINA clause" here. He is not saying that is the command. He's saying, "I'm giving you a new command in order that you love one another!" Now Jesus has not given the command yet. The new command will be in John 14:1. This is why diagramming the sentences from an original language perspective gives you a heads-up on the context of sections. There is no command until Chapter 14 Verse 1. "Love" is not a new command.

    But I'm giving you this new command in order that, (purpose clause), that you love one another according as I have loved you, in order that you also love one another. In comparison, how did He love them? Well, He showed them the extreme love by washing their feet. He is showing them the love of God by voluntarily laying down His life for them. That is the message and impression that He is leaving for them.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 23):

    John 13:12 - So, after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

    So, after He had washed their feet, and had taken His garments, again that is the HIMATIA. HIMATION is your outer garment. He put His outer garment back on, and was set down again, literally He reclined at the table. These were tables about a foot off the ground, 12 inches high, and they laid on cushions with their left elbow on the table and their feet outstretched, and with the right hand they would reach over, and they would take the food.

    Everybody in the table is facing in the same direction. Everybody has got one elbow on the table. I mention this to you so that you can understand why later on John would lean on Jesus' chest to ask Him a question. That is because he's right next to Jesus and when you're leaning back to ask a private question, your elbow and that part of your back is actually touching the person's chest.

    John 13:13 - Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

    Two technical points I want to share with you: The word "master" is the word teacher, DIDASKALOS. You call me teacher and Lord and you say well, for so I am. But that last little phrase doesn't say "and so I am" in the Greek. It just says and "I AM," the title of God in the book of Exodus. It is a title. There is no "so" and no "he." It is simply "And I AM."

    John 13:17 - If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

    The word happy, MAKARIOS, means to experience the fullness of something. It doesn't mean happy as pertaining to the flesh, but rather experiencing the fullness of the Spirit of Christ.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 22):

    John 13:9 - Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.

    So, Peter is going to extremes in both directions. I refuse to let you wash my feet. And Jesus says if you don't let me wash your feet you have no part with me. Peter says, "Well then give me a bath. Bathe me all over because I don't want to reject you. I want to be fully in relation with you!"

    There are two words that are being handled here in this text that's very important here in Verse 10. LUO in the Greek without the OMICRON or letter O means to destroy. But LUO with the diphthong, the OU, means to bathe all over. The word NIPTO means wash. That is Hebrew for wash. NIPTO is to wash, as in hands and feet. Now a washing is just washing the hands or washing the feet, and they would use the term NIPTO. To bathe all over, they would use the word LUO.

    John 13:10 - Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

    So, he that is washed is the word LUO. The person who is bathed has no need to wash except for his feet whenever he gets his feet dirty. It was even a custom during Passover time that people took baths and then when they arrived at the guest's home, all he had to do was wash their feet, and they were clean all over.

    So, Jesus says the person who washes or bathes has no need to wash but his feet, but he is clean every whit. The term "every whit" is the word "whole" HOLOS, whole or complete. He's completely clean!

    If you've been bathed, and you have had your feet washed, you are completely wholly clean, but not all. What? Did one of them not take a bath? He's indicating a cleansing that Judas (remember Judas is still here) is the one that is not clean spiritually. So, it's not all!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Biblical Greek Perspective

    John (Part 21):

    John 13:4 - He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.

    Now His garments, the outer garment, or the coat if you will is called a HIMATIA. That is what He took off. He took off His HIMATIA, His outward garments. The CHITON is the inner garment. He did not take off the inner garment. And some people think that would be pretty embarrassing, that He took of all His clothes and then wrapped a towel around Him.

    Well, He wasn't naked! He had His inner garments fully clothed. He took off the outer garment, which would be like a cloak, and He laid them aside. And thirdly, He took a towel and girded Himself. That is, He wrapped the towel around Himself in such a way so as to not only to wash the disciples' feet, but also to dry them. And they have pictures of slaves doing this with the towel draped around their waist and over their shoulders, so that they could pull it down and be wiping their feet off.

    John 13:7 - Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

    This is one of the keys to understanding what this section is teaching us. He says first all "What I do you don't know now." Well, they know what He is doing! But obviously they don't really know completely all what He's doing. The word "now" used in this verse, and there's a couple of words for now. The word NOOUN means now in time. But this is ARTE, which means "up till now," you have not known what I am doing, but you will know hereafter.

    Now the term "hereafter" is actually plural. After these things, you will know. So not just foot washing, because the foot washing is the introduction to this whole section going up through Chapter 15. After these things are over, you will know what I did to you and what the teaching is. So, this entire lesson through Chapter 15, He says you don't know up till now what I've been doing, but you will know after these things.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Hey Oseas,

    My understanding is Jesus was baptized and anointed in the fall of the year__, he was 40 days and nights in the wilderness. Jesus then chose His 12 disciples. shortly after the wedding where Jesus turned the water to wine, He went to Passover John 2:23, this would be 6 months after He was anointed by the Holy Ghost.

    There are 3 more Passovers and Jesus was crucified on the last one, John 5:1, 1.5 years John 6:4 2.5 years, and John 13:1 the Passover He was crucified 3.5 years from when He was anointed as the Messiah.

    My understanding of Matthew 24 was also for the disciples for the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem not just for us today, if we compare Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 have when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet. But in Luke 21:20, He writes when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    The abomination of desolation is something done by someone as King Antiochus IV Epiphanes did in 168 BC. It happened before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. My understanding is parts of Jesus's Olivet discourse were for them and parts are for us.

    What is in Daniel 9:27 Jesus caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease when He died and the vail of the Temple rent from top to bottom. As Jesus told the woman at the well the hour has come ye shall not worship the Father in the mountain or Jerusalem, John 4:21

    The wording in Daniel 9:27 is for the overspreading of abominations points to the abominations the leaders of Jerusalem will have done, Matthew 23:32-38 Jesus told them "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate" The he, is Jesus who will make it desolate and, in their generation, it was made desolate by the people/Roman army, of the prince/Titus same as God used Babylon in 586 BC.

    I hope this makes sense so that you can study for your understanding even if you disagree, if you have questions let me know.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Ecalarese.

    Evangelizing.

    Some seems to prefer to minister to only other believers and have very little to say to unbelievers.

    They are quick to judge and tell them where they are going but don't offer them the only way of escape. The Gospel.

    In John 17:20 we see Jesus praying for our ministering to them.

    "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    I once copied an article on Evangelism. Here's how it reads.

    Part 1.

    To evangelize means to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with someone else. Personal evangelism should be the lifestyle of every true Christian. We've been given a great gift, and our Master left us with clear instructions: "Go into all the world and make disciples of every nation" Matthew 28:19. Before we can "make disciples," we must evangelize. There are other reasons, besides Jesus' command, that should also motivate us to share the greatest news in the world with people who haven't heard it:

    Evangelism is an act of love. Love must be the defining characteristic of every follower of Jesus Christ John 13:35; 1 Corinthians 13:1-7. It is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, so anyone who walks in the Spirit will demonstrate love in dealing with people Galatians 5:16, 22-23. We possess the best news in the world, and love propels us to share it with those who haven't heard. Love wants everyone to have a chance to respond to God's offer of salvation. Withholding news that could save someone's life is the utmost cruelty; therefore, those who truly love God will love the people whom Jesus came to save John 3:16-18; 1 John 4:20.

    Evangelism builds our own faith. Nothing helps us learn a subject like teaching it to someone else. When we make a practice of sharing our faith with those in our lives, we strengthen our own beliefs. Regular evangelism forces us to wrestle through the hard questions, find answers for ourselves, and prepare to respond to the questions of others.

    See part 2.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Jaz.

    Part 2.

    We are not joined with those outside the body of Christ so, what are we as children of light supposed to do in a lost dark world?

    We are to bare light and that light is supposed to shine on Christ.

    We are his ambassadors in a foreign land.

    We are to display the work of Christ in our lives and the evidence of a new birth bearing fruit. By this all people will know we are his disciples, and the fruit (especially Love for the Brothern) will also Distinguish between a false teaching religion/teachers and spirit filled believers where the spirit gathers and energizes. This is the operation of God by the baptism of the Holy spirit.

    SCRIPTURE REFERENCES; John 13:34-35, Matthew 7:16-20. 1 1John 4:20-21, If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

    And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

    We are to Love the unbeliever, witness to them, and treat them with kindness and help them in a Godly way.

    So, in what ways we are not to be unequally yoked with them? Many things can be mentioned but I won't get into that here.

    2 Corinthians 6:14-18.

    "The command implies that a great difference exists between a believer and an unbeliever. Generally speaking, the motivations, goals, and methods of a Christian are incompatible with those of an unbeliever.

    Faith changes the character of a person. A Christian's highest ambition in life is to glorify the Lord Jesus and please Him in all things; an unbeliever is, at best, indifferent to such goals. "

    Again, don't get me wrong here, we are called to minister to them in particular.

    That is the Lords Commission. Luke 4:18.

    It is our Great Commission to spread the Gospel; Matthew 28:16-20.

    We do that with truth! We don't do it with lies and deception.

    How should Christian treat one another?

    See part 3.
  • Bennymkje - 11 months ago
    Mark 5:12-20 "Go home"

    "Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee." (v.19)

    Jesus cast out the unclean spirits from the man, who now in his sober mind wanted to follow Jesus. He was not the only one who wanted do it. "Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now?"( John 13:37). Jesus showed him the way to follow him and immediately what Jesus wanted of him was a life of witnessing.. After a life of harrowing what he needed most was rest to his soul. "Take my yoke and learn of me', the hardest part is for the Son to take care.(Matt.11:28-29) Jesus, ever true image of his Father, shows mercy.

    In contrast we have the owners of the swineherds cowering before Jesus. They heard the testimony of the finger of God' and the man ever normal and they could not be but be afraid."And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."(v.15) The loss of other man's riches did not heal them. The unclean spirit still worked with them and they would rather see the back of Jesus than risk loss of other means of revenue.

    In v.13 we have the number of swines ("they were about two thousand") and were choked in the sea, which is a tag placed by the Spirit. Compare with this verse," And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them." It is cue that God had prepared the four angels for the end times. multiples of 2000 refer to the Alpha and Omega expressed in terms of day of salvation and regeneration- signifying endtimes- white throne judgment.

    John saw them as well as heard the number. To be sure those who rejected Jesus for loss of their wealth shall have them as witnesses. If in the court of law hush money could be cited as proof shall these citizens of Gederanes escape rejecting the prince of life for some swine?
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Hebrews 6 - 1 year ago
    Hi Tdianne.

    I would like to add to what Gigi has shared.

    1 John 4:12-16.

    No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. HEREBY KNOW WE THAT WE DWELL IN HIM, AND HE IN US, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

    And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

    Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

    And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

    What John is saying is that no man has seen God at any time but if we love one another God dwells in us. In other words God today can manifest himself through believers in loving one another, "and the world sees That!

    John 13:34-35, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    "What makes this so unique?" What's new about it? Isn't it listed in the Commandments? What's unique and new about it is that he causes it!

    Look at verse 35.

    "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    John 3:16

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,.

    ( God gave us his Spirit that causes us to love the Brothern.)

    God's Spirit, "The Holyspirit" causes those who loves God to love his brother also. 1 John 4:21"

    Romans 5:5.

    And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

    I hope this helps. God bless.
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    We can do the right thing at the wrong time and it falls short of perfection.

    We can do the right thing with the wrong heart and we fall short of perfection.

    TO BE PERFECT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE BLAMELESS.

    1 Corinthians 8:9-12 is another scenario to consider.

    We often think of the things we do wrong as sin.

    What about the things we don't do right or good? Consider James 4:17.

    Here's our goal.

    Galatians 5:25-26

    If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

    Let's see if we are perfect in this using Galatians 5:24 "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

    Here's a list of the works of the flesh in Galatians 5:19-21.

    ( Most of these we can claim on the surface but God judges the heart.)

    Are we PERFECTLY blameless in not doing any of these in our hearts?

    THOSE ARE A LIST OF THINGS A CHRISTIAN SHOULDN'T BE DOING. ( If we are doing these we are sinning.)

    Christians are known "BY" there Love for one another and should be barring fruit.

    John 13:34-35.

    1 John 4:20-21.

    Matthew 7:15-16.

    Let's use Galatians 5:22-23 to see what we should be doing. "PERFECTLY since our focus is on the ability to be perfect in these natural bodies.

    love,

    joy,

    peace,

    longsuffering,

    gentleness,

    goodness,

    faith,

    Meekness,

    temperance.

    IF YOU ARE NOT DOING THESE PERFECTLY "FOREVER ON! YOU ARE NOT PERFECT OR BLAMELESS.

    Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. James 4:17.

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    The Perfection of Christ

    Christ being a member of the Godhead never sinned. We see that He was tempted in all ways as we are as Hebrews 4:15 states.

    In His own strength Christ certainly always had the right to do anything as well as the capability; but as we know God cannot lie ( Heb. 6:18 and other related scriptures). Thus; Satan truly was the only being that had the authority to give the right of rulership over the earth as a temptation; and Christ was the only recipient other than Antichrist who will receive this offer. The man of sin will accept it; and the world will accept THE LIE ( 2 Thess. 2:11-12). It was for our sake that Christ humbled Himself; even to death on a cross emptying Himself of all self promotion of His own glory for the sake of the Father's exaltation later. This encompasses a number of scriptures (see Philippians 2:7; Isaiah 53).

    Thus; we see that the relationship among the Godhead brings humility followed by exaltation. We also should follow that guideline; knowing that no servant is greater than His master; we are also to suffer while in this brief earthly existence. ( John 13:16). How much of our own troubles are caused by our own sins varies; it is something we should overcome if we are truly to embrace His sufferings.

    When we consider sinless perfection on a surface level we think of avoiding commission of acctions against God as well as avoiding omission of things we ought to do which is often neglected at the expense of the first issue. We can think of someone who never makes mistakes; never says a word that is unfitting; and other like characteristics. When examining in depth this subject we see how eternal spiritual laws and principles were always first and foremost; undergirding Christ's miracles. Salvation was shown to be more crucial than just healing (see Matthew 9:6); as the paralytic received healing along with forgiveness. Salvation is complete at the Resurrection of the just; inheriting new bodies
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother Carleton.

    Part 4.

    We use Brothern to loosely today. Everyone amongst us is not a Brother or a Sister!

    Look at the example Jesus gives in Matthew 12:47-50.

    "Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

    But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

    And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren.

    For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

    Romans 12:3 says not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

    We all have flaws and we're all of one body ministering by the same Spirit, having gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us by "THE GIFT" (Christ Spirit.) We are to exercise those gifts by the power of Christ Spirit.

    We are to Love one another; I've declared that on this site since I've been on it using John 13:34-35 as a springboard.

    Also, 1 John 4:20-21 and Matthew 7:15-16.

    We shall be known by our fruit, not our gifts!

    CAN YOU GENERATE THIS ON YOUR OWN?

    Love amongst the brothern is not partial.

    It's not determined by race, wealth, political parties, Gender, status in the church, or one's eschatology.

    Love at its highest level is Agape. It's caused by the Holyspirit that knits us as one. It's to be totally given over to.

    I've seen where one says he have the gift of discernment but yet he shuns other Brothern.

    If you have an issue with a brother, you restore him. Galatians 6:1-4.

    We must look out for each other. James 5:20 says, "Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins." Confrontation may be difficult, but it is not loving to allow a professing Christian to continue in a sin that will bring God's consequences upon him.

    See Part 5.
  • Jema - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Great post , thank you .
  • Jordyn - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Amen brother ronald

    god bless you!
  • Chris - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Glad to be back. Every blessing to you & yours, brother.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Amen, Thanks, and Welcome back Brother Chris!

    God bless you.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Hi Jess L. If I might add a little to what others have shared with you, including those Scriptures for you to consider, I would include a very important chapter (John chapter 17), as Jesus' great & special prayer to His Father just prior to the events leading to His arrest & crucifixion.

    The ministry of Jesus on Earth was now completed, only the final work of redemption lay before Him. But Jesus says something interesting to His Father: "Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee" (v1), and then further adds, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (v5). To glorify means 'to bestow honor; to magnify someone's worth'. When Jesus sought His Father's glory of Himself at this point, it was what remained before Him: the culmination of His Ministry to His disciples & others & the laying down of His Life for them. To many, Jesus' death meant failure, a riddance of a thorn in their flesh, an inability to accomplish what He had promised. But He knew that He did not come to meet the whims & fancies of men, but to bring sinners into the love & fold of God ( John 10:15,16). Men would hate & reject Him, but His Father's Plan for man's redemption would be fully accomplished & in this act of sacrifice & love, both the Father & Son would be glorified & Jesus' time of glorification had arrived - not by pomp & ceremony but by sacrificial Love.

    But such love was nothing new, for God is the embodiment of Love, Mercy, Grace, & Truth. But when Jesus came to Earth, that Glory was hidden from men, that only God would be glorified in the Face of Jesus ( 2 Corinthians 4:6). But now the Glory of Jesus would also be seen by those who believe - and this Glory that was once hidden would be returned to Him - as He said, "with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". Jesus, God's Word, was within God's Person, for He 'came out from God & came forth from the Father' ( John 16:27,28).
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Hi Jess L,

    This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.

    God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:10 1 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.



    All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3 Eph. 1:17 Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.

    In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.

    Rom. 1:7-8 1 Cor. 1:3-4 1 John 1:3 2 John 1:3 2 Cor. 1:2-3 Gal. 1:3-4 Eph. 1:2-3 Phil. 1:2 Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4 Philemon 1:3 2 Pet. 1:2.



    You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • GiGi - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Jess L.

    PT. 2

    To wrap up. In John 15:26, Jesus says, "But when the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

    Here we see how the "offices" of the Godhead work in unity, Jesus ask of the Father, to send the Holy Spirit to be given unto His disciples, and the Father wills to do this, the Spirit, who proceeds from the Father, is not independent of the Godhead) has the office of testifying of and about Jesus. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are given to us by the Father. The Father is the one who send both, Jesus asks of the Father and also send the Spirit in union with the Father. Jesus has the office of Mediator, one who goes between man and the Father, so in sending the Holy Spirit, he mediates this sending from the Father of the Spirit, and the Spirit completes the will of the Father by testifying of Jesus. All of the Godhead wills that the Spirit will come and dwell within believers and when the Spirit does this, all persons of the Godhead indwell a believer. It is all, really, one act of God carried out by all three persons.

    I hope that this is helpful. It is important to distinguish between the Essence of God, His Divine Being, and the distinction of the Persons of this one Divine Being. Then we can understand how Jesus can be one with the Father and also for the Father to be greater than Jesus.
  • GiGi - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Dear Jess L.

    That is a very good question.

    Many would say that that God's Essence, (divine nature) is the same for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one Divine Essence and only those in the Godhead possess it to its fullest perfection and eternal existence. The Godhead is a union of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    John 13:20 says: Verily, Verily, I say unto you, he that receiveth whomever (the Holy Spirit) I send receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveith him who sent me (the Father). Here Jesus speaks of three persons who are received by us and indwell us together as one God, not three.

    John 14:10 says " Believeth thou not that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but my Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the work." Jesus is saying the when He speaks the Father is speaking in and through Him.

    And in John 14:23 Jesus says: " If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come and make our abode in him." Here, after promising to send the Holy Spirit vs. 16 and that the Spirit will dwell in us, says that when the Spirit is abiding in us, so is the Father and the Son. So here is a prime example of three distinct persons living in us as a unity.

    But it is in the relationship between the persons of the Godhead that there is a hierarchy. The Father is head of the Son and Spirit. He is in authority over the Son and Spirit, and the Spirit is subject to the Father and the Son. The Son is in submission to the Father. In this way, relationally, the Father is greater than the Son.

    Also, in terms of "offices" the authority of the Father is over that of the Son. Jesus will turn over to the Father all power and authority when all of God's enemies are put under Christ's feet, as promised by the Father and recorded as prophecy in Scriptures. Jesus said in John 10:8 that He only speaks what the Father speaks through Him.

    continued in pt. 2
  • Jess L on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Hi. John 13:16 Jesus says, he that is sent is no greater than he that sent him. Jesus was sent from God but in another scripture, Jesus says I and the Father are 1. So how is Jesus and God one, and Jesus was sent by God?
  • Frankie J - 1 year ago
    Friends,

    After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.

    Paul states 2Cor 5:14

    The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?

    Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"

    We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that

    Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6

    1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12

    1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves

    John 13:14 "as I have love you"

    Folks,

    To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5

    Jeremiah 32:38-41 Love never fails.
  • Jsz357 on John 13 - 1 year ago
    KJV+, John 3:5: "5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

    Everyone is born of water it's your physical birth in OT it was tradition be baptized in water NT every time mothers water breaks child is born of water, but be born of spirit you have to make that decision to be born of spirit because we are in grace administration

    KJV+, Rom 10:9-13: "9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

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  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Hi Carleton,

    Evidently, we are handling the word of truth. 'Thy word is truth'. God fashioned all hearts alike, and tries their works. Ps.33:15. And it is faith with works that completes the transaction between God and man. "If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."( John 13:17)
  • Frankie J - In Reply - 1 year ago
    In Addition

    1 John 2:19 Ephesians 4:14 these apostates took over the ministry of Christ, the Gifts, Ephesians 4:11 & has raise of a ministry & sanctuary that of this world, all saying here is Christ & there is Christ. All in the lust 1John 2:16 some more some less, but a little leaven, leavens the whole lump, there are over 45,000 different favors/sect's of Christianity world wide, is Christ divide?

    The Church in is first pure innocent primitive state Acts 4:32 fulfilling Ephesians 4:12,13, & would have remain so, excepting for God in His infinite Wisdom choses otherwise, Rev 13:7

    The work of the Ephesians 4:11 first is to point them to Christ within them, their Isa 9:6, then to become servants to His Body, the Church. John 13:13-16, then at the appointed time of the Father, proving themselves faithful to the ministry they have received, Act 6:2 God gave them an increase, in rewards to their faithfulness to Him. Read on there & see the increase they received multiplied.

    Jesus said, Luke 17:21 Ephesians 4:4-7 all pointing to God within them. All of this is not figuratively, but a spiritual reality to be lived, known & felt in the heart.

    In Revelation we find the Spirit of the Lord is Crying out to His people Rev 18:4 connecting 2Cor 6:14-18, I ask you who will hear His Call & if required of them to sell all that he has to follow Jesus & to forsake all that he believes that's contrary to Holy Spirit teaching, Matt 7:14 For surely the teaching in Babylon is the same as the devil taught in Eden, Genesis 3, they too being evasive, twisting God's word to their own 2Pet 3:16

    Consider these things, Proverbs 25:2


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