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  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi.

    Part 2.

    We take up our cross and we follow the Lord, We don't summon him to join us in battle, We join him in a battle ALREADY WON.

    John 12:31-32. Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    Satan, our flesh and the World is three things the Holyspirit supposed to have already separated you from.

    And looking for the right scripture to cast out demons to defeat death is unscriptured!! Christ already defeated the death that a Christian had to worry about, and that's THE 2ND DEATH. We were baptized into that death and resurrection.

    Satan don't want you dead if he can use you, He wants you lost so you can help loose others.

    The Characteristics of a mature Christian is not in his abilities.

    The apostles Peter had to be taught that, He failed miserably in his long suit.

    When the spirit indwelled him he became mighty indeed.

    The Characteristics of a mature Christian is a Christian barring much fruit. and that's supplied by the Holyspirit and we are adequate for service and no need of anything else.

    1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

    God bless.
  • Debbie - In Reply - 3 years ago
    On the kingjamesbibleonline.org, in the search words or phrases box, type prince of this world KJV and several verses will come up. The first one I saw was John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out."
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Dianne,

    First, Jesus rose before sun rise on the first day of the week (Sunday), on the Feast of First Fruits, one of the feasts they were required to come to Jerusalem. Jesus fulfilled it, being the First Fruits of those who slept. Whatever day Jesus was crucified does not change what He endured and what He did was for us.

    There are five days covered in scripture from the day Jesus rode in to Jerusalem till He was crucified, starting ( Matthew 22:12) ( Mark 11) ( Luke 19) John covers it differently ( John 12:12-50). This will rule out Wednesday because that would put Jesus' riding in on a Sabbath, he could not ride the colt/donkey, it would break the Sabbath law.

    In (John12:1-8) it is six days before Passover, some say He traveled from Jericho so it could not be on a Sabbath but ( Luke 19) He went up to Jerusalem but then says it came to pass, so He could have been close to Bethany before the Sabbath. ( John 12:12-16) the next day Jesus rides into Jerusalem. So, if Jesus rode in on the first day, my choice, what is called Palm Sunday, gives you Thursday or if He rides in on the second day, Monday, gives you Friday.

    Things to consider;

    The third day, or the third day from? Three days and three nights? Days start and end at sunset. What preparation day, the Passover day or Friday? Passover is the 14 th of Nisan, a preparation day, one day separate from the feast 15 th - 21 st, People then and now consider it an eight-day feast and calling it the feast of Passover or the feast of unleavened bread, it is two separate things.



    You see in ( John 13:1) ( Luke 22:1) ( Matthew 26:17) and in ( Mark 14:12) the first day of unleavened bread when they kill the Passover. They kill the Passover on the 14 th same day Jesus was crucified, not during the feast of unleavened bread, that started the 15 th. We have to look close with eyes wide open.

    This is not enough to rightfully cover. I hope this is enough for studying, and not just enough to confuse.

    RLW
  • Dianne - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hey Jesse Dianne one important point individuals miiss either its all Gods Word or its not, 2 Timothy 3:16+17, because in 2 Peter 1:20+21 Holy men spoke what holy spirit told them, i.e. Spirit From true God. To me John 12:44-50, also in psalms it states the Words of the lord are pure words, in Gospel of John Jesus Christ said He taught the disciples His fathers Words which are always true. Love this Stuff.
  • OSEAS - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    EARL

    Have you ever perceived that JESUS came in the fourth Day? By the way, JESUS left very clear saying in the fourth Day when He came: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work- John 5:v.17. Even JESUS is saying and calling Himself as the Greater Light in Genesis 1. When JESUS came in the fourth Day He said: John 12:v.45-46:

    45 - He that seeth me seeth Him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the WORLD, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.- This event of JESUS coming was the fulfillment of Genesis 1:v.18 :...and GOD divide the light from the darkness:and God saw that it was good.19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth Day.

    The Lesser Light is about the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, he has not light in he himself, his light comes from the Father throught JESUS, the Greater Light (by analogy physicaly the moon receives and reflects the light of the sun), as JESUS said: John 16:7-15:

    7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth;It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    ...

    12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me:for he shall receive of mine,and shall shew it unto you.

    15 All things that the Father hath are mine:therefore said I, that he shall TAKE OF MINE,and shall shew it unto you.

    Materialists confuse the biblical expression Greater Light and twist it when they say it is the Sun. Also they confuse the biblical expression Lesser Light and twist it when they say it is the Moon. Physically the Sun and the Moon have nothing to do with the biblical expression Greater Light and Lesser Light created in the fourth Day - Genesis 1:v.16, except for analogy.

    About stars read Dan.12:v.3
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Lauren.

    There's a lesson to us all,

    The Power and virtue is in Christ distributed by the Spirit.

    We can't manifest it with our intellect or delivering anything what we " Think" is powerful by our delivery or shout something into motion whether it's bringing someone to Christ or running off demons, we're in the flesh when we think more of ourselves than what we ought.

    The only weapon we have is a sword

    Ephesians 6:17. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

    And we use that sword to point to Christ and the cross in the manner Paul did with the Corinthians!

    John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    " There's our strength."

    1 Corinthians 2:4. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, BUT IN DEMONSTRATION OF THE SPIRIT AND OF POWER!:

    Here's another point to take notice in these verses. We know wisdom is made over unto us by way of the cross.

    And we know our redemption is by way of the cross.

    But we sometimes forget that our

    " Imputed Righteousness " and sanctification is by way of the cross.

    1 Corinthians 1:30. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, WHO OF GOD IS MADE UNTO US wisdom, and RIGHTEOUSNESS, and SANCTIFICATION, and redemption:

    1 Corinthians 1:31. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Michael. If you're thinking of Isaiah 45:7, please don't assume that there is any evil within the Godhead to produce evil. We need to understand that verse properly. Just as the LORD "formed the light", so too can He "create darkness". That is, when God chooses to remove the light, darkness remains - darkness is the default. God had to introduce light to dispel darkness ( Genesis 1:1-5); Jesus had to become Light unto men to reveal & dispel their inner darkness ( John 12:46).

    Likewise, God said, "I make peace and create evil". Evil came from the father of evil & sin, who is the devil. And the devil has controlled the world with his wickedness ( Ephesians 2:1-3). But in that overwhelming wickedness, the merciful God has still brought peace to the hearts & lives of many: to His people, Israel, if they obeyed: Psalm 119:165; Proverbs 16:7 and to all others who come to Him through the Cross of His Son ( John 14:27; Ephesians 2:13-18).

    But what happens when God chooses to remove His Peace? And what happens when God chooses to remove His Light? If Peace goes, evil will immediately take over - if Light is removed, darkness instantly prevails. So, God is not the author of evil, but that evil is the result when His Peace is removed; hence, as it is written, "I create evil", or, 'I have allowed evil to take hold (or, make evil happen), because I have removed My Peace'.

    Maybe if Satan was bound soon after him troubling mankind with evil, there would be no need for such verses that would require God to act against evil, but in the Wisdom of God & to make His Power, Love & Salvation known to all, we who have been drawn to & choose His Light & Peace, can always know His Power constantly working in us. But if that Light & Peace fades away in us, we know it's because we have given Satan a foothold in us, bringing us into darkness & sin.
  • Cindy - In Reply on John 12 - 3 years ago
    May God bless you, sir.
  • Walter allen on John 12 - 3 years ago
    The artery to my right kidney has narrowed. I hope you will pray for me. Thank you. Walt.
  • Righteous Judgment and the Legal Process - In Reply on 1 Timothy 3 - 3 years ago
    'PEOPLE', is very large blanket kind of statement. Instead of naming a person, you accuse the entire group. These are just a few of the 5700 scriptures that deal with judgment. Mishael

    John 7:24

    Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    2 Peter 2:8

    (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

    2 Thessalonians 1:6

    Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

    Revelation 22:11

    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

    John 12:47

    And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

    Matthew 7:1

    Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    1 Corinthians 11:31

    For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

    Luke 6:37

    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

    In your prayers, forgive. Then petition the Lord Jesus to be judge between those who offend your conscience and understanding of scripture. Jesus...is our go-to person in such matters.

    Book of Job 1:

    6 Now there was a day when the sons of God (evil angels) came to present themselves before the LORD (on His Throne), and Satan came also among them.

    7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

    Comment=they show up when they have someone to accuse. Satan=Accuser

    Always take your "legal issue" before the Lords Throne first. He has the best ATTORNEY, JESUS CHRIST.

    1 John 2:1 The Advocate.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    I BELIEVE, Christ is the BOOK OF LIFE just as he is the tree of life, the lamb of God, etc. If you are IN CHRIST and CHRIST IN YOU, then at that point you are in the Book of Life and being made ONE IN CHRIST you become a book of life, ALSO.

    Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: the SEED is the WORD of GOD.

    If you take a SEED and plant it; the part that emerges looks nothing like the SEED that was planted.

    But at MATURITY when it is HARVESTED and put in the grain bin; it is EXACTLY like the SEED that was planted. We have the SEED; Christ himself, the WORD planted in us. Now we look nothing like the SEED; but at HARVEST (death of this body) we will be put in the grain bin (Christ body, immortality) and we will be like him; we become SEED to be planted, ALSO.

    Matthew 12:37 For by my WORDS (CHRIST) thou shall be justified, and by my WORDS (CHRIST) thou shall be condemned.

    If you are IN CHRIST and CHRIST IN YOU; you are being judged NOW.

    John 12:48 .... the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him ...

    1 Corinthians 11:31 If we would judge ourselves (by the word), we should not be judged.

    1 Corinthians 11:31 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

    1 Peter 4:17 For the TIME IS COME that judgement must begin at the house of God ...

    Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we...
  • D W L on Mark 8 - 3 years ago
    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US (plural) make man in OUR (not my) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as WE are one:

    Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

    Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

    (31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his name JESUS.

    (32) He shall be great, and shall be called the SON of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

    John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father (not Joseph) honour. (27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

    Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is NOT MINE to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello, I appreciate what you wrote there and agree with all your points except the book of life. It's my opinion that we're not written in the book of life until we're first judged by God. I think God knows all and might even take notes in such a book.

    I think many assume we're 'saved' instantly when we start following Christ. While the Bible says we can have assurance of salvation if we follow Him, but I'm not aware of any verse saying we're instantly saved and will skip judgment and are in a book of life, as if its a guest list for heaven.

    I looked up the 4 verses you posted about 'book of life' and they don't say that all Christians have their names written in the book of life, it doesn't say who or when their names may be written in the book, and doesn't say this comes before judgment day. The Exodus reference suggests that Moses's name was written in a book by God. It doesn't call it the book of life. Moses was also a special person appointed by God. God also replied with this: And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. And the Bible says everyone has sinned.

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    Doesn't say you have salvation now, doesn't say you have it instantly and aren't judged, it says revealed in the last time.

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    This says grace isn't even given to us until the end at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 20:12 - indicates the book of life is used on the day of judgment to review what all have done. Either way all will be judged.

    2 Corinthians 5:10

    Romans 2:16

    John 12:48

    Hebrews 9:27

    Revelation 20:12

    If you have more evidence that says the moment you say respond to an altar call you're instantly in the book of life, or that the moment you decide to follow Jesus you are written in the book of life, please let me know where... Thank you.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 1:1 - 3 years ago
    Matthew 20:28. Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    JESUS COMMANDED HIS DISCIPLES TO GO OUT AND SHARE THE GOSPEL, AND THEY DID!

    IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO DIE FOR.

    Today it is the least interesting topic of scripture.

    John 3:14-16. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Romans 10:9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    Acts 16:30-31. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

    And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    1 Corinthians 15:3-4. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    John 12:24 . Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.



    John 10:1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

    Let us not treat the gospel like a history book,

    And Let's understand the necessity of it.

    God bless
  • Brother Dan - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 3 years ago
    Jesus is "The Word" sent from God:

    John 12:49

    "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

    John 12:50

    "And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

    God Bless
  • Brother Dan - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Brother Michael,

    When Jesus speaks, he speaks the words from his Father - God.

    John 12:49

    "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

    John 12:50

    "And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

    Jesus states in John 12:50 "And I know that his commandment is LIFE EVERLASTING."

    To say that the 10 Commandments are no longer valid, is to say that God made a mistake when he created the 10 Commandments!

    I believe that Satan is certainly hard at work here in this world, with so many people that now believe that Gods 10 Commandments are no longer valid.

    God Bless
  • Brother Dan - In Reply on Nehemiah 8 - 3 years ago
    Brother Michael,

    You suggest that the commandments referred to in 1 John 5:2,3 are not the 10 commandments, but some other new commandments of some sort dreamed up by Paul and the apostles.

    Jesus states the following:

    John 14:15

    "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    Jesus speaks the words directly from his Father:

    John 12:49

    "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

    I read and understand clearly that the commandments referred to in the bible by Jesus and his apostles are the 10 Commandments. To believe otherwise is a stretch of imagination, and not backed up by scripture.

    God Bless
  • Chris - In Reply on Exodus 14 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Steven. To bring that to a personal level: when we are led of God's Spirit, the wrist watch, diary or calendar are both unnecessary & irrelevant. We may need those things for our day-to-day activities & to keep appointments, but in God's economy His Spirit gives us both timing & direction.

    "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God"; the Spirit will always lead us, as God's children, but do we always obey His leading? Can we ever step outside that leading & that Will for us & not grieve the Spirit by doing so? As Jesus always sought His Father's Will in everything ( John 5:30), He fulfilled God's Plan for Him & Israel to the very last minute. How often we wonder whether we're in the centre of God's Will & might even become despondent in our circumstances - rather, we ought to be sure that there's nothing hindering the Spirit's Words & Work in our lives & that our ears are always inclined towards Him, rather than to the voices around us.

    And yes, the Jews ought to have known from the Scriptures that the Messiah had come to them & by the many proofs Jesus had shown them. But that knowledge mixed with human perceptions compelled them to reject Jesus.

    They would have asked, 'How could the Messiah oppose or contradict the very Law He should have rather fully supported & expounded on? A breaker of the Sabbath? Allowing an adulterous woman to live? A forgiver of sins? How could He claim to be God's Son - God is One? Joseph was a descendant from David, & Jesus was not Joseph's son - Mary's lineage wasn't considered - Jesus didn't fulfil Messianic prophecy? Where is the liberator from the Roman oppression; instead we get a humble, self-sacrificing holy Man?'

    As the Word says, "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." ( John 12:40; Isaiah 6:10). BUT He became the Saviour to all who would believe.
  • Brother Dan - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 3 years ago
    I agree the Sabbath for Christians is Saturday, and always has been.....from the creation of this world.

    Man cannot add or subtract any of the 10 commandments.

    This world is evil, and there are many false religions teaching others to ignore or minimize the commandments of God.

    For those out there that believe they can ignore the 4th commandment, what don't you believe in the verse's below that came straight from Christ's mouth:

    John 14:21

    "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

    Matthew 5:17

    "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

    Matthew 5:18

    "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

    Most Christians are very aware of the above stated verses....but they minimize them, because reverend so and so said this, or that, and I hear all kinds of excuse's that we can ignore this commandment or that commandment, including because Apostle Paul said this or that. Man can read the bible and twist words to mean anything that might suit their agenda.

    We need to believe what Jesus said in the bible, he is speaking the words of "His Father".

    John 12:49

    "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

    John 12:50

    "And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

    Living life today, while respecting God's commandment's my be an inconvenience for all of us - at times.....but we need to strive to follow Christ, just as Christ followed his Fathers Laws. Are we any better than Christ?

    Happy Sabbath Day!

    God Bless
  • Earl Bowman on 2 Peter 1:10 - 3 years ago
    Why not all people come to salvation today

    john 12:37-40 therefore they could not believe, because esaias (god's words on his tongue) saith .....

    luke 22:67 art thou the christ? tell us. and he said (god's word's) unto them, if i tell you, ye will not believe.

    these words came out of god's mouth and god said his words would not return unto him void.

    isaiah 55:11

    philippians 1:9 for unto you it is given in the behalf of christ, not only to believe on him ....

    no one can believe unless god's causes them to believe.

    john 6:29 .....this is the work of god, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent....

    2 thessalonians 2:11 and for this cause (unbelief) god shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

    2 timothy 2:13 if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

    luke 3:13 ... exact no more than that which is appointed to you.

    jeremiah 46:17 ....pharaoh king of egypt, is but a noise; he hath passed the time appointed.

    psalms 102:20 to hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those appointed to death.

    job 23 :14 for he performeth the thing that is appointed for me.....

    1 peter 2:8 a stone of stumbling, a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient, whereunto they were also appointed.

    there but by the grace of god, go i.
  • Simon on Daniel 8 - 3 years ago
    satan's spiritual relationship with antichrist parallels that of God to Jesus.

    -God's Spirit is counterfeited by satan spirit

    -Jesus' Spirit is counterfeited by antichrist spirit

    -Holy Ghost is counterfeited by the false prophet spirit

    1) Jesus's ministry was 42 months

    To: ( Revelation 13:5) antichrist receives 42 months

    2) ( Revelation 1:8)

    To ( Revelation 17:8)

    3) ( Revelation 5:6)

    To: ( Revelation 13:3)

    The three evil spirits that God had stricken us with, to prove us, are gone. ( Revelation 16:13) ( Revelation 19:20) ( Revelation 20:10). It is the dragon (satan) the boss that gets locked up for 1,000 years..

    Below is conclusive "mirroring" evidence of the spirit world hierarchy:

    ( Daniel 8:24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    "but not by his own power" as that power comes from the dragon, given from God.

    ( Revelation 13:2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    "the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority". satan gives power to antichrist, antichrist is the son of satan, but antichrist is not satan. antichrist is under the possession of satan.

    ( Titus 2:13) Many scriptures point to Jesus being God, but this hierarchy evidence can't be overlooked. Jesus told his adversaries all along who he was, but they didn't have the wherewithal to grasp it, Jesus continually said His power was not of His own, but of the Father. The theologians argue this paradox out to contention.

    ( John 5:19) ...The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do....

    ( John 12:49) For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me....
  • Chris - In Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18 - 3 years ago
    James. Indeed, "God (the Word) was in Christ" - none can doubt that Truth, as Jesus only spoke what was given to Him of the Father. And yes, "God put his words in the mouth of his Son". John 12:49,50: "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." Also John 8:28, etc.

    Therefore, there can be no argument on that score as Jesus spoke those words as the Son of God. But the question remains: where was Jesus before His appearance on the Earth, coming as a Babe, born of a woman? And this is the difficulty with many: how can this human Jesus have a pre-existence? How can God's spoken Word even be made into flesh? And then we could & should also ask: How can God send out His Spirit to accomplish His Will on Earth if God is One, not two, three or more? It seems reasonable to understand that if God can issue out His Spirit (from within Himself) to do a Work, so can He issue out His Word (from within Himself) to bring it to His people. This He did through the prophets of old, but "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds" ( Heb 11:2).

    Leaving aside John 1, Heb 11:2 tells us that God's Son brought God's Word & this Son is heir of all things & through WHOM God created the worlds. This is written plainly: that God's Word was made flesh to bring God's Word (and we know why He had to be man). Is it because you cannot envisage that a Word from God can be given flesh? Is not "God able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham?" Are Jesus' Words, "Before Abraham was, I am", have any significance to the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ? Let us not limit the Power of God by our weak human understanding & perceptions. I would be interested in how you would interpret these Scriptures.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on John 2 - 3 years ago
    Hi Bob,

    Obviously you took my post incorrectly. I'll try using Scriptures again.

    I never said Christ and the Father was not a relationship. You brought this up. I never said Christ is the Father or the Father is Christ as it seems you took it. I know it's a Father Son relationship. Again John 10:30, John 14:11, John 17:21. Revelation 3:21. For a couple.

    Some say the Father being in Christ means He left Heaven. God spoke from Heaven several times proving that false. Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 12:28.

    Here are a couple stating the Spirit of Truth or Holy Ghost as He/Him: John 14:17, John 14:26. Putting the three in ONE as in 1 John 5:7.

    As I've been trying to answer your questions though you seemed to have veered from mine. No one knows the depths and ways of God. He can do anything He wants. Isaiah 40:28, Isaiah 55:8-9. Just like giving all His power and authority to His Son so we honor Him just as we honor the Father. Matthew 28:18, John 5:22-23. Not knowing your beliefs on this but no one can say Christ did not exist before He was born here. Christ Himself stated this and there are other Scriptures that back this up also. John 17:4-5. All I do is use the Scriptures. I have no private interpretation as that is not what the Scriptures are for. 2 Peter 1:20.

    Nothing is falling apart for me. I've given you many Scriptural verses as I have not seen one from you. Also I really don't even know your motive for making the first post the other night. The reason I made the reply is because you said something about a "man made trinity doctrine". Which I showed you is not man made it's Biblical.

    Still not getting into how many titles the Father and Son share. Not knowing if it would make any difference to you.

    I'm not here to argue and don't take my post that way please. You may have your own view.

    Again as I hope I've answered your questions. I'll just leave the one again.

    Do you believe the Scriptures I've posted?

    Thank you. God Bless.
  • Brother Dan - In Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18 - 3 years ago
    I agree, when Christ speaks....the words come from God his Father. Amen.

    John 12:49

    "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

    John 14:10

    "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

    God bless

    God Bless
  • Steven Chapin on Mark 11 - 3 years ago
    Paving the Way

    -

    Two thousand years, or so, ago

    Jerusalem rejoiced

    for all the future hopes they had

    at last were being voiced.

    -

    The King had ridden into town;

    a donkey was His ride.

    They laid their clothes before Him and

    "Hosanna!" they all cried.

    -

    To make His travel smoother, they

    put palms along His way.

    To them, these branches symbolized

    a victory that day.

    -

    They hoped that He would free them from

    the Romans' rule for good.

    It's true, He came to free them, but

    they all misunderstood.

    -

    They had it wrong when He once asked

    "Who do you say I am?"

    They all were thinking lion when

    He came to be a lamb.

    -

    When He was crucified, then rose,

    there was no gleeful throng.

    They thought their hopes were ended, and

    Thank God that they were wrong.

    -

    The King for which they paved the way

    with branches where He trod

    had paved the way for all our souls

    to reconcile with God.

    -

    We just began to have a chance

    to enter Heaven's gate.

    The King has paved the way for us,

    so let us celebrate.

    -

    By Steven Chapin

    January 7, 2017

    (See Matthew 21:1-11, Mark 11:1-10, Luke 19:28-38, John 12:12-16)
  • Carleton Jesus is the Son of God a few more scripture refrences Part 2 - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    "took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" Philippians 2:7

    "his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" Romans 8:3

    "The first man Adam is of the earth, earthy: the second man Jesus is the Lord from heaven" 1 Corinthians 15:47

    "He can not deny himself" 2 Timothy 2:13

    "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever" Hebrews 13:8

    "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17

    "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acception, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15

    "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" Luke 19:10

    "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12

    "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This signifying what death he should die" John 12:32-33

    John Chapter 19- whole chapter

    "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins" Ephesians 1:7

    "Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

    "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver or gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" 1 Peter 1:18-19

    "And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2

    "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it" Acts 2:24

    1 Corinthians Chapter 15 whole chapter
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 10:36 - 3 years ago
    Chris,

    Also, we can look at Philippians 2:6 which says, Who (Referring to Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:



    2 Corinthians 4:4 says, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

    There is a word in the Greek text that can be defined as the out beam, or radiance of God's glory. It is the word APOUGASMA. It is a word used to describe Christ, being the out beam of God's glory.

    I like to imagine shining a flashlight on a wall in a pitch-black room. The light I see on the wall is Christ. But if I were to take that same flashlight and point it at my eyes, its brightness would be so great that it would blind me. Thus, our image of the Divine Glory of God is enlightened and more vivid by the beauty of the scriptures!

    I believe what the inspired writer of Hebrews wanted his readers to draw is apparent and fitting. Christ is the "effulgence" of God's glory ( Hebrews 1:3) because as the Word, He became flesh so that the grace and truth of God's glory could be seen by all ( John 1:14,17-18).

    Jesus is the true light that radiates forth prevailing over all shades of darkness ( John 1:5). Just as no one can stare directly into the beam of the flashlight or spotlight without being blinded by the extreme brightness, in like manner, none can see the Father because of His Divine Glory.

    But, as the light of the flashlight shines forth from the bulb revealing its essence, Jesus shines forth as the visible manifestation by which the knowledge of the glory of God is declared to all ( John 1:14,18; 2 Corinthians 4:6). For he who sees Jesus beholds the Father! ( John 12:45; 14:9,10).

    Thanks Chris!
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on John 12 - 3 years ago
    The leaders in the time of Jesus were wicked pretenders of religion and Jesus exposed their hypocrisy:

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. ( Matthew 23:15)

    And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. ( Luke 11:39)

    Jesus was perceived as a threat to the religious leaders so they conspired to kill him:

    Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. ( John 11:47-48)

    Even Pilate saw through their facade:

    But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews? For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy. ( Mark 15:9-10)

    The great wonder of this is that God knew all this and worked it all together to provide the needed sacrifice for our sins through his Son Jesus Christ:

    Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. ( Acts 2:23-24)
  • Ron - In Reply on Romans 14 - 3 years ago
    Hi, Stewart, This is hard to show in a short post but here goes. Good Friday has been a tradition for many years. If we go back to the 1st Passover which this Passover should match the lamb was taken up on the 10th of Nisan and sacrificed on the 14th. We must keep in mind the Jewish day begins and ends at sundown. Jesus fulfilled the feast of Passover so, it was the same as the first. We see in John 12:1 Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. The next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem. That would be 5 days until Passover that would be as called today Palm Sunday, Sun.10th of Nisan, the next day Mon.11th, Tue.12th, Wed.13th, Thur.14th of Nisan the Passover day. The next day is Fri the 15th the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is a holy day.

    Jesus said he would be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. Some say Fri, Sat, Sun. on the third day. Ok, first we know Jesus was crucified on Passover day but Passover day is also a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread because that is a holy day and no work could be done except to eat. John called it a high day. When the sun went down Wednesday13th it became Passover day the night of the Lord's Supper. In the garden, the betrayal, arrest, trial, and crucifixion all were done before the sun went down that started the 15th, the night they ate the Passover. Remember the days start and end at sundown.

    Fri.day15th=1day Sat. night16th=1night Sat. day16th =1day Sun, night17th =1night all equal 2 days and 2 nights Jesus rose before the sun came up.

    Thur. day=1day Fri. night=1night Fri.day=1day Sat night =1night=1night Sun night=1night Jesus rose befor the sun came up. All = 3 days and 3 nights.

    I hope this was not too confusing but if you read in Exodus the first Passover will help. Many think they ate the Passover meal on the 14th but it was eaten the night of the 15th, that is part of the confusion. Ron
  • Bradley Gweta on John 12 - 3 years ago
    Hi sir,

    I just want to know why the church leaders hated Jesus instead of supporting his ministry


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