To begin, my comment concerning the number of resurrections from death by Christ must have not been clear to you. I know of only 3 recorded resurrections performed by Christ: Lazarus, John 11:1-44; the widow's son, Luke 7:11-17; and Jairus's daughter, Luke 8:40-56 I then expressed my opinion there were most likely more that were not recorded. I see Christ as a compassionate savior, and personally, believe more miracles were performed than are recorded in today's Bible.
My conviction the story of Lazarus the beggar is a parable is based on the Hebrew meaning of the name Lazarus meaning "God has helped". Christ was speaking to an audience of disciples originally and some Pharisees later joined the group, verse 14, and began to deride Christ. Christ then speaks to the Pharisees as to their violations of the Law and the parable of Lazarus.
The parable of Lazarus serves a twofold purpose. First it serves to emphasize the responsibility of those more fortunate to aid the less fortunate. Second, it foretales the rejection of Christ by the Jews, even after the resurrection. The first purpose most likely fell on deaf ears as the Pharisees because of their self-righteousness. The second was not realized and accepted by even the remaining 11 disciples initially.
Reference to the place of the spirit after death until the gathering of the church by Christ is referenced after the resurrection by Paul, in many places in scripture. Paul refers to the "holding place: as sleep.
Now, where did the souls John sees in Revelation come from and at what point did they arrive in heaven. Revelation 3:10 is easily interperted as the rapture before tribulation. Revelation 7:9-17 surely is post-rapture by content.
My point - the spirit of the vast majority of Christians do not enter heaven prior to the rapture. Enoch, perhaps. Elijiah definitely ( 2 Kings 2:11).
Brother Manuel, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.
1 Timothy 4:11 These things (God is saviour of all men) COMMAND AND TEACH.
I know you believe God is going to FAIL. You believe, it's up to man. That belief (it's up to you) should bring your own salvation into question.
I am not catholic! However, what I was referring too is that these books are not listed in the bible (66 books). It was originally in the old KJV bible 1610, but was removed. I do not believe in purgatory and praying for the dead.
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Please read Acts 24:15 We can pray to God ( Psalm 83:18) for his kingdom to come ( Matthew 6:9,10).
Why? because we can pray that he resurrect our loved ones who have died (the ones we love so dearly)
Jesus dilivered men from the power of eternal death, the second death, after the jugment day! It's writen,that the father gave all jugment to the Son, because Jesus is the son of men! The salvation like Jacob's deleverance from Esa, is based on the relashionship btween the beleever and the Savior, the Begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ, the second Adam!
It's written: Your Way, oh God is at thr sanctuary, Jesus is the sacrifice, because he took upon him the penalty of the transgression of the law of the ten commandements, becaming our substitute, nevertheless, the inocente lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world!
According to Tessaloniens, Paul the apostle of the gentils, enlightened the church of the living God Allmighty, about the condition of men facing death, sayng that after the first death all men will ressurect, ones for life and others for the second and eternal death, with satal and his angels! To Gob be the Glory, because He is mercifull, forgiving, longsuffering patient, and waits for me and you. Today we still can, with a simple act of faith, accept the power of Jesus's blood, while we are on the way and alive, because God is God of the living! After death, awaits us the jugment. Today, if you listen the voice of God (Jesus through the Holy Spirit) don't harden your hearts!
There is no salvation after death! This is devil's lie, like Eve, whosoever beleeves it, wil die the second death, the sin beeing that the Light came into the world, but men prefered darkness! Jesus said whosoever beleeves in Me wil not die ( the eternal and defenitive one).
according to acts 2 when they were speaking in tongues,
both man and woman were present.
Noticed what the prophet Joel prophesied.
Acts 2:16-18
all people can teach what they have learned from the bible.
but as far as authority. Adam was created first then eve was created as a
helper for Adam to take care of the earth- Genesis 2:18
what about "within" the congregation?
Ephesians 5:22-24; Titus 2:3-5
1 Timothy 3 within the Christian congregation or church...appointed ministers takes the lead in teaching the congregation or church. when a woman learn in silence 1Timothy 2:11, 12
within the congregation, this helps keep the congregation orderly. so in this instance. A woman doesn't have authority over a men within the congregation to teach nor over her husbands at home. however, husbands love their wives and listens to their concerns just as Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) taught Abraham Gen. 21:8-12. Even Jesus; when he was at a house or on the roads he listened and asked woman questions. woman like Martha, Mary Magdalene, the Samaritan woman. he taught them and spoke to them with kindness. John 11:27; Luke 10:38-42.
if a woman sees something or has a question
...she can ask her husband at home.
1Corinthians 14:33-35
Hope this Helps. the bible is a light and shines for all to see.
Jesus is our hight priest and is touched by our infirmities and was affect by the state of affection to all who was affect by Lazarus death. All things are possible with God
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
We won't know until we are in the afterlife ourselves. No one goes to heaven until they are judged on the day of judgment and that doesn't happen until Jesus comes and the dead rise. Until then the dead remain in sleep. Link
Hello Eyobed. I'm unsure which verse you're thinking of, or were told about, but generally we know that John 11:41 has been altered in almost every translation that I could find.
KJV: "Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me."
Others: "So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank you that you have heard me."
The other translations have omitted the phrase, "from the place where the dead was laid" as it's not found in the older manuscripts. However, the KJV is translated from the 'Received Text', which is the most reliable throughout the manuscript. In any case, if this was the verse you were thinking of, then the omission, though noteworthy, does not alter the sense of the passage, as 'the stone' was clearly the one sealing Lazarus' cave/sepulchre & no one else's.
If you mind I would like to add to the ruckus. lol.
Just to answer your question directly we don't worry about the soul.
We're concerned about the Spirit.
I don't believe they're the same.
"If I'm not mistaking" I believe your soul is connected to this earthly body. It wars against our Spirit,
Our Spirit will be connected with our Spiritual body where there will be no more Sin.
Psalms 16:9-10. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Brother Jesse or Brother Chris can check me on that, I do value their opinion.
As well as others.
Our natural birth we was born "Children of Adam. a living soul but spiritually dead! Our motions in our members was one with the Law " Ministration of condemnation " When we were born again "Born from above" We died in Adam and was born of the second Adam. "Christ" "A quickening spirit"
REFERENCE VERSES:
1 Corinthians 15:45-47.
2 Corinthians 3:6-10.
Romans 7:4-11.
We are hidden in Christ and that will never change, Your body goes in the ground, your spirit is with the Lord," He in you and you in Him.
Romans 6:3-5.
Colossians 3:3-4. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
1 Thessalonians 4:14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, EVEN SO THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.
The body SLEEP in th ground and is raised a spirit body! and the spirit goes to Jesus. " How else could he bring it with him?"
John 14:19-20.
John 11:26. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
I hope that helps, If not you're probably confused times 10.
Sister Kimberly, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Romans 14:8 For whether we LIVE, we LIVE unto the Lord; and whether we DIE, we DIE unto the Lord: whether we LIVE therefore, or DIE, we are the Lord's.
John 6:20 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.
John 11:26 And whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in me shall never die. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE any more (because they DIED with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 14:13 ....Blessed are the dead which DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth....
1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is DEATH.
Christ resurrection DESTROYED DEATH. (For those that BELIEVE)
John 8:51 Verily, Verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my sayings, he shall NEVER SEE DEATH.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto to you, There be some STANDING HERE (this was 2000 years age), which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man coming into his kingdom.
Colossians 1:27 ...THIS MYSTERY....CHRIST IN YOU....(The First SON OF GOD)
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath LIFE; and he that hath not the Son HATH NOT LIFE.
Do these scriptures imply that we sleep and await and appointed time; or has our APPOINTED time ARRIVED upon the death of this earthly body.
You don't go to heaven; you BECOME a SON OF GOD. OMNIPRESENT not confined to one location or place.
As there seems to be numerous "ideas" about where your soul goes when you die. Which is normal.
I will give you my perception. First off going by actual Testimonies of people who have experienced death and came back to life. As you can do research on this. There have been many people who have testified to have been in the presence of the Lord and experienced Heaven.
Now to the Scriptures. Just a couple. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21-23. Christ stating that He is the resurrection, John 11:25-26, and that whoever believes in Him will never die.
As to reply to , 1 Thessalonians 4:16. I see it as "the dead in Christ shall rise first" means those who have died, in Christ, have already risen and are with Christ where He is. Then in verse 17 as "we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds" to me means after we come to our physical death, as we all have to, will be with them and Christ as well.
I also believe there is a place of eternal torment that is separate from God. As Christ and Paul note a place of eternal punishment. Along with people who have died, and come back, have experiences/testimonies with this as well.
I'm not here to argue with anyone as this will be my only post. I hope my answer gives you direction Sissy.
He our God who have done wonderful things. Have already done it! What is it He said?
Go in peace.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
And,
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Remember, on earth we are a little time, if we see the Erterity
Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
The more our flesh dies to the TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD, the FEWER THE BATTLES.
Colossians 3:3 For ye are DEAD, and YOUR LIFE is hid WITH Christ IN God.
John 11:25 ....I am the RESURRECTION, and THE LIFE: he that believeth in me, though he were DEAD, yet shall he LIVE:
1 John 3:9 Whosoever (is DEAD and) is born of God doeth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he CANNOT sin (because he is DEAD and the only LIFE there is Lives) (Christ in you), because he is BORN OF GOD.
We are dead, we are the Body of Christ.
All these words of knowledge sets us FREE.
Everything that is happening in you life is the WORKS OF CHRIST.
When this truth becomes reality to you; you cannot sin.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH in you BOTH to will and do of his good pleasure.
God will have won the battle.
You have been CREATED in his image. HIS LIFE in you.
Of twain one new man.
Jesus said he can do nothing but by the Father; because the Fathers LIFE is his LIFE.
We can do nothing without Christ because his LIFE is our LIFE.
Beware of creative people who will try to either disregard or 'reinterpret' all the above scripture in attempt to get it to mean something else. In searching our conscience, deep down we already know what "the father and I are one" and the "three are one" means. We should all ask God directly for wisdom in understanding the scriptures and to reveal and confirm His truths to us, so we aren't deceived or mislead by false teachers. James 1:5. 1 Timothy 4:1-2.
Just as you stated there are mixed beliefs on "where we go when we die". As Adam has posted a thread for you with numerous posts on this subject.
I will bring another point up. If anyone has done any research on NDE's or "near death experiences" where people die physically, come back to life, and have experiences. There are many and of coarse they are personal though some have things that are alike or similar. Things like out of body experiences where the person sees their dead body etc, angels, being brought into paradise/Heaven, seeing dead relatives, even some people experience a place they would call hell. People meeting Jesus Christ. Like said many, many, experiences. Some people die, and are brought back, and have no experience.
After coming to the Lord I was lead to meet a man who was killed, with two other friends, in a head on collision with a truck on a highway. His Testimony, shortened, was he and his two friends(in their spirit or ghost) ended up walking down the street from where the accident was. A light appeared and they were all standing before Jesus Christ. He was told he had to come back and his two friends went with the Lord. As I don't know about the two friends, who did not make it, he was an atheist when this happened. Though after the miracle of him coming back to life the first thing he spoke about was seeing Jesus Christ. As now he has his own ministry and has been leading people to the Lord ever since.
In reality what happens after we die, I believe, is unique with each person. I myself have faith that those who are with the Lord shall never see death. Going to be with Him where He is when our physical life ends. John 11:25-26.
One day we will all find out. To be with the Lord Jesus Christ, follow Him in His ways, doing the Will of our Father and producing good fruit in the Spirit are the ways to life. Live to please the Father and serve Him, with a pure heart, and there should be nothing to fear.
Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
I BELIEVE; also, in Christ is THE LIFE, you never die. Contrary to this you die. The wages of sin (UNBELIEF) is death.
John 18:24 I say therefore unto you, you shall die in your sins: for if you BELIEVE NOT that I am HE (LIFE, WAY, TRUTH) you shall die in your sins.
John 6:50 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof and NEVER DIE.
John 11:26 And whoever liveth and believeth IN ME shall never die.
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Blessed are the dead (we are dead in our trespasses) which die IN THE LORD from henceforth; Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may REST (in Christ) from their labours; and their works (of Christ in you, LIFE) may follow them.
I BELIEVE there are two deaths: now in Christ or later in Christ (second death)
I BELIEVE there are two resurrection: now in Christ or later in Christ at the second resurrection.
I BELIEVE there are two judgements: now in Christ (spiritual FIRE) or later in Christ (spiritual FIRE) at the second resurrection and second death.
The word says the wicked want live out half their life (the ONLY life is CHRIST); we don't see this now so possibly it means they will lay in the grave for a long time, or judgement in Christ will be much longer than we go thru in our short lifetime or both.
Your comment sounds like an attack on Christians who believe the Bible. Why do you post such a thing on a Bible website and what is your goal? To unite or divide?
Christians believe Jesus is God because the Bible clearly says He's God. Is that reason enough? John 1:1 flat out says it. So, so all the scriptures below that even children read and understand. It needs no creative interpreting, needs no progressive pastor to interpret, just literally what it says. Jesus being God doesn't mean He's God the Father, but God the Son. God became a man and died for you, do you believe Him?
Claiming that Christians who read the scriptures and believe are somehow just 'Americans' or 'Catholics' seems like a disingenuous attack on Christians. Labeling and dividing and lying is what I've seen done to make such anti-Christ arguments. Anyone who does this is on extremely dangerous ground. Anyone who tries to spread anti-Christ lies should be ashamed of themselves.
1 John 2:22-24
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."
Heb. 5:8 "the things which HE suffered" = Verse seven provides the answer as to what CHRIST "suffered". Translated from the Greek verb root (pronounced "PAS-kho"), the word "suffered" speaks of CHRIST experiencing and enduring physical and mental pain, hardship, and need. The English language derives the noun "passion" from the Greek verb "pascho".
While John 11:35 records the only occurrence of JESUS CHRIST shedding tears as HE wept at Lazarus' grave, Luke 22:44 records HIS Gethsemane "agony" so severe that "HIS sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."
So the expression here in Hebrews (5:7), "with strong crying and tears" bears out the fact of CHRIST's "strong" emotional outbursts in Gethsemane before HE "suffered" death.
Here, the Greek word translated "strong" speaks of an emotional upheaval so intense that the sufferer is unable to resist its eruption into gut-wrenching weeping and sobbing.
Such was the manner of JESUS CHRIST's "prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto HIM".
CHRIST's "suffering", and because HIS Heavenly FATHER was "able to save HIM from death", qualifies CHRIST as the believer's singular and sole "HIGH PRIEST" ( Heb. 5:5) in the realm of Salvation.
Did you not read John 1? Is your motive to gain understanding of a different perspective or to just stick with what you want to believe?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
"the Word was God."
The Bible is 100% clear that "the Word was God"- do you agree? It says it in John 1:1 verbatim.
Who is the Word? If you keep reading it answers that in 100% clear language
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
The "Word" was made flesh and dwelt among us (people).
Verse 15 says John (the Baptist) bore witness to Him. This narrows it down so much there is absolutely no one else this could possibly be but Jesus Christ. It would take serious mental gymnastics to make it mean anyone else, but Jesus Christ.
So, let's review. John 1:1 In the beginning was (Jesus Christ), and the (Jesus Christ) was with God, and the (Jesus Christ) was God.
All of this we get from John 1, the scripture I already provided which you seemed to have missed.
But there's much more than one verse that says Jesus is God. When it says God, it doesn't mean God the Father though, but God the Son. And Jesus is Lord and as well as other terms used in reverence. Just because people have a hard time comprehending the "three are one" doesn't mean they need to try to rewrite the Bible to mean something entirely different. It's already correct exactly as it says. That's part of being a Christian and having faith.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make man in our image"
John 11:6-7 "And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."
I use to believe the Roman Catholic teaching of consciousness after death. Like you are not really dead, but go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory. (And there if in Hell, burn eternally, with no hope of an end).
However, since then I have read in God's Word that this is not so. In John 11:11-14, Jesus tell His apostles that Lazarus is sleeping, but Jesus goes to wake him up. Finally, Jesus tells His apostles that Lazarus is dead. Also, see 1
Thessalonians 4:15-17. And, John 5:28-29. See, Genus 2:7. Ecclesiastes 12:7. Importantly, Psalms 146:3-4. Again, "Who Only Has Immortality? See, 1 Timothy 6:16. And those who SEEK, Romans 2:7. In 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 we learn.... Knowing what God's Word really says is priceless, see, Psalms 115:17, "The dead praise NOT the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." Must read, Ecclesiae's 9:5,6, 10. 5."For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of then is forgotten. 6. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 10. Whatsoever thy hand findet to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goes." NOTE: 2 Timothy 3:16, "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" There is more, but I think by now you get the idea.... God bless you as you prayerfully Study the above....
1. Believing without repentance in the Gospel of John
2. Repentance can be a bad thing - Exodus
GOSPEL OF JOHN
The gospel of John, as it ends tells the reader that he is writing the book for people to get saved/ believe. He says in John 20:30-31 ---> And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But THESE ARE WRITTEN, THAT YE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, AND THAT BELIEVING YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE THROUGH HIS NAME. It's the ONLY book that brings people to salvation, because most books in the NT are written to the church. MOST. But Gospel of John is written so that people might believe..
YET,
Nowhere in the whole gospel of John do you encounter the word "repent" . If its a book that claims to get people saved, you should at least get word repent even one time but its not there, but guess what! the word "believe" appears in the gospel of John 46 times(if my counting is correct). Look at some verses:-
John 1:7 - The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 6:69 - And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
John 11:27 - She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
REPENTANCE IN EXODUS
Exodus 13:17 - And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:
Here repentance is a bad thing because they would "turn" back to Egypt when they see war..
Just about everyone is taking this vaccine out of fear; fear of getting sick, fear of making someone else sick, and fear of dying. 2nd Timothy 1:7 (For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.) Hebrews 9:27 (And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:) You can take a thousand shots, have hundreds of doctors by your side but, this will not save you from death! John 11:25 (Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:) Fear not, praying for you! God Bless.
That Scripture only speaks of Lazarus arising from death & no one else. And the same would be for Jairus' daughter ( Luke 8:41-56). These are accounts of individual resurrections, as well as others as seen in the Book of Acts but none of these ascended into Heaven as Jesus did after He was dead for three days in the sepulchre.
Appreciate your kind comments on my last post.
To begin, my comment concerning the number of resurrections from death by Christ must have not been clear to you. I know of only 3 recorded resurrections performed by Christ: Lazarus, John 11:1-44; the widow's son, Luke 7:11-17; and Jairus's daughter, Luke 8:40-56 I then expressed my opinion there were most likely more that were not recorded. I see Christ as a compassionate savior, and personally, believe more miracles were performed than are recorded in today's Bible.
My conviction the story of Lazarus the beggar is a parable is based on the Hebrew meaning of the name Lazarus meaning "God has helped". Christ was speaking to an audience of disciples originally and some Pharisees later joined the group, verse 14, and began to deride Christ. Christ then speaks to the Pharisees as to their violations of the Law and the parable of Lazarus.
The parable of Lazarus serves a twofold purpose. First it serves to emphasize the responsibility of those more fortunate to aid the less fortunate. Second, it foretales the rejection of Christ by the Jews, even after the resurrection. The first purpose most likely fell on deaf ears as the Pharisees because of their self-righteousness. The second was not realized and accepted by even the remaining 11 disciples initially.
Reference to the place of the spirit after death until the gathering of the church by Christ is referenced after the resurrection by Paul, in many places in scripture. Paul refers to the "holding place: as sleep.
Now, where did the souls John sees in Revelation come from and at what point did they arrive in heaven. Revelation 3:10 is easily interperted as the rapture before tribulation. Revelation 7:9-17 surely is post-rapture by content.
My point - the spirit of the vast majority of Christians do not enter heaven prior to the rapture. Enoch, perhaps. Elijiah definitely ( 2 Kings 2:11).
Thank you, my brother in Christ
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.
1 Timothy 4:11 These things (God is saviour of all men) COMMAND AND TEACH.
I know you believe God is going to FAIL. You believe, it's up to man. That belief (it's up to you) should bring your own salvation into question.
Chris,
I am not catholic! However, what I was referring too is that these books are not listed in the bible (66 books). It was originally in the old KJV bible 1610, but was removed. I do not believe in purgatory and praying for the dead.
You are replying to a comment by "Glen Barbour and Chris"
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Please read Acts 24:15 We can pray to God ( Psalm 83:18) for his kingdom to come ( Matthew 6:9,10).
Why? because we can pray that he resurrect our loved ones who have died (the ones we love so dearly)
John 5:28,29
Job 14:14,15
John 11:25
It's written: Your Way, oh God is at thr sanctuary, Jesus is the sacrifice, because he took upon him the penalty of the transgression of the law of the ten commandements, becaming our substitute, nevertheless, the inocente lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world!
According to Tessaloniens, Paul the apostle of the gentils, enlightened the church of the living God Allmighty, about the condition of men facing death, sayng that after the first death all men will ressurect, ones for life and others for the second and eternal death, with satal and his angels! To Gob be the Glory, because He is mercifull, forgiving, longsuffering patient, and waits for me and you. Today we still can, with a simple act of faith, accept the power of Jesus's blood, while we are on the way and alive, because God is God of the living! After death, awaits us the jugment. Today, if you listen the voice of God (Jesus through the Holy Spirit) don't harden your hearts!
There is no salvation after death! This is devil's lie, like Eve, whosoever beleeves it, wil die the second death, the sin beeing that the Light came into the world, but men prefered darkness! Jesus said whosoever beleeves in Me wil not die ( the eternal and defenitive one).
to answer your question Ronald:
according to acts 2 when they were speaking in tongues,
both man and woman were present.
Noticed what the prophet Joel prophesied.
Acts 2:16-18
all people can teach what they have learned from the bible.
but as far as authority. Adam was created first then eve was created as a
helper for Adam to take care of the earth- Genesis 2:18
what about "within" the congregation?
Ephesians 5:22-24; Titus 2:3-5
1 Timothy 3 within the Christian congregation or church...appointed ministers takes the lead in teaching the congregation or church. when a woman learn in silence 1Timothy 2:11, 12
within the congregation, this helps keep the congregation orderly. so in this instance. A woman doesn't have authority over a men within the congregation to teach nor over her husbands at home. however, husbands love their wives and listens to their concerns just as Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) taught Abraham Gen. 21:8-12. Even Jesus; when he was at a house or on the roads he listened and asked woman questions. woman like Martha, Mary Magdalene, the Samaritan woman. he taught them and spoke to them with kindness. John 11:27; Luke 10:38-42.
if a woman sees something or has a question
...she can ask her husband at home.
1Corinthians 14:33-35
Hope this Helps. the bible is a light and shines for all to see.
john 3:16,17
An unsaved person told me yesterday he was told "there is nothing like rapture" Is it true?
You are replying to a comment by "Victor Anyanwu"
Hello Victor,
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
verse 16: these Dead in Christ shall rise first. for example:
1. ( John 11:11) Lazarus he died again
2. ( Acts 7:55,59, 60) Stephen after saying this, he fell asleep in death. (the vision he saw was in heaven)
3. ( 1 Corinthians 15:6) 500 seen Jesus appear after his death. but some of
them died.
4. Some of Jesus apostles died of old age, most died under roman oppression (by the "ad." "c.e." Jews)
(they were put in prison like Paul as you brought out in Philippians 1), some died in captivity.
Verse 17: Those alive or remain will like Jesus will go to heaven.
( Revelation 14:3/ 144,000). notice the first died. if the second is to be caught up together with them.
they will have to die from flesh...to be taken from earth. ( Acts 1:9,10; Revelation 20)
so no... rapture is not a word in the bible. when Jesus was impaled the scripture said
after that his spirit ( Matthew 27:50 invisible/ john 4:24) yielded up. no human can see the spirit.
( Jas. 2:26)
Hopefully this helps
Hello Victor,
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
1 Corinthians 15:6
Matthew 27:52
John 11:11-14
KJV: "Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me."
Others: "So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank you that you have heard me."
The other translations have omitted the phrase, "from the place where the dead was laid" as it's not found in the older manuscripts. However, the KJV is translated from the 'Received Text', which is the most reliable throughout the manuscript. In any case, if this was the verse you were thinking of, then the omission, though noteworthy, does not alter the sense of the passage, as 'the stone' was clearly the one sealing Lazarus' cave/sepulchre & no one else's.
If you mind I would like to add to the ruckus. lol.
Just to answer your question directly we don't worry about the soul.
We're concerned about the Spirit.
I don't believe they're the same.
"If I'm not mistaking" I believe your soul is connected to this earthly body. It wars against our Spirit,
Our Spirit will be connected with our Spiritual body where there will be no more Sin.
Psalms 16:9-10. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Brother Jesse or Brother Chris can check me on that, I do value their opinion.
As well as others.
Our natural birth we was born "Children of Adam. a living soul but spiritually dead! Our motions in our members was one with the Law " Ministration of condemnation " When we were born again "Born from above" We died in Adam and was born of the second Adam. "Christ" "A quickening spirit"
REFERENCE VERSES:
1 Corinthians 15:45-47.
2 Corinthians 3:6-10.
Romans 7:4-11.
We are hidden in Christ and that will never change, Your body goes in the ground, your spirit is with the Lord," He in you and you in Him.
Romans 6:3-5.
Colossians 3:3-4. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
1 Thessalonians 4:14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, EVEN SO THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.
The body SLEEP in th ground and is raised a spirit body! and the spirit goes to Jesus. " How else could he bring it with him?"
John 14:19-20.
John 11:26. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
I hope that helps, If not you're probably confused times 10.
God bless.
Romans 14:8 For whether we LIVE, we LIVE unto the Lord; and whether we DIE, we DIE unto the Lord: whether we LIVE therefore, or DIE, we are the Lord's.
John 6:20 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.
John 11:26 And whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in me shall never die. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE any more (because they DIED with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 14:13 ....Blessed are the dead which DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth....
1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is DEATH.
Christ resurrection DESTROYED DEATH. (For those that BELIEVE)
John 8:51 Verily, Verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my sayings, he shall NEVER SEE DEATH.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto to you, There be some STANDING HERE (this was 2000 years age), which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man coming into his kingdom.
Colossians 1:27 ...THIS MYSTERY....CHRIST IN YOU....(The First SON OF GOD)
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath LIFE; and he that hath not the Son HATH NOT LIFE.
Do these scriptures imply that we sleep and await and appointed time; or has our APPOINTED time ARRIVED upon the death of this earthly body.
You don't go to heaven; you BECOME a SON OF GOD. OMNIPRESENT not confined to one location or place.
I will give you my perception. First off going by actual Testimonies of people who have experienced death and came back to life. As you can do research on this. There have been many people who have testified to have been in the presence of the Lord and experienced Heaven.
Now to the Scriptures. Just a couple. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21-23. Christ stating that He is the resurrection, John 11:25-26, and that whoever believes in Him will never die.
As to reply to , 1 Thessalonians 4:16. I see it as "the dead in Christ shall rise first" means those who have died, in Christ, have already risen and are with Christ where He is. Then in verse 17 as "we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds" to me means after we come to our physical death, as we all have to, will be with them and Christ as well.
I also believe there is a place of eternal torment that is separate from God. As Christ and Paul note a place of eternal punishment. Along with people who have died, and come back, have experiences/testimonies with this as well.
I'm not here to argue with anyone as this will be my only post. I hope my answer gives you direction Sissy.
May the Lord Bless you.
Go in peace.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
And,
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Remember, on earth we are a little time, if we see the Erterity
God Bless you il pray
The more our flesh dies to the TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD, the FEWER THE BATTLES.
Colossians 3:3 For ye are DEAD, and YOUR LIFE is hid WITH Christ IN God.
John 11:25 ....I am the RESURRECTION, and THE LIFE: he that believeth in me, though he were DEAD, yet shall he LIVE:
1 John 3:9 Whosoever (is DEAD and) is born of God doeth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he CANNOT sin (because he is DEAD and the only LIFE there is Lives) (Christ in you), because he is BORN OF GOD.
We are dead, we are the Body of Christ.
All these words of knowledge sets us FREE.
Everything that is happening in you life is the WORKS OF CHRIST.
When this truth becomes reality to you; you cannot sin.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH in you BOTH to will and do of his good pleasure.
God will have won the battle.
You have been CREATED in his image. HIS LIFE in you.
Of twain one new man.
Jesus said he can do nothing but by the Father; because the Fathers LIFE is his LIFE.
We can do nothing without Christ because his LIFE is our LIFE.
If you believe the Bible where it says the "three are one" then, the answer is yes.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Here's other supporting scripture too:
Genesis 1:26
John 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
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Beware of creative people who will try to either disregard or 'reinterpret' all the above scripture in attempt to get it to mean something else. In searching our conscience, deep down we already know what "the father and I are one" and the "three are one" means. We should all ask God directly for wisdom in understanding the scriptures and to reveal and confirm His truths to us, so we aren't deceived or mislead by false teachers. James 1:5. 1 Timothy 4:1-2.
Just as you stated there are mixed beliefs on "where we go when we die". As Adam has posted a thread for you with numerous posts on this subject.
I will bring another point up. If anyone has done any research on NDE's or "near death experiences" where people die physically, come back to life, and have experiences. There are many and of coarse they are personal though some have things that are alike or similar. Things like out of body experiences where the person sees their dead body etc, angels, being brought into paradise/Heaven, seeing dead relatives, even some people experience a place they would call hell. People meeting Jesus Christ. Like said many, many, experiences. Some people die, and are brought back, and have no experience.
After coming to the Lord I was lead to meet a man who was killed, with two other friends, in a head on collision with a truck on a highway. His Testimony, shortened, was he and his two friends(in their spirit or ghost) ended up walking down the street from where the accident was. A light appeared and they were all standing before Jesus Christ. He was told he had to come back and his two friends went with the Lord. As I don't know about the two friends, who did not make it, he was an atheist when this happened. Though after the miracle of him coming back to life the first thing he spoke about was seeing Jesus Christ. As now he has his own ministry and has been leading people to the Lord ever since.
In reality what happens after we die, I believe, is unique with each person. I myself have faith that those who are with the Lord shall never see death. Going to be with Him where He is when our physical life ends. John 11:25-26.
One day we will all find out. To be with the Lord Jesus Christ, follow Him in His ways, doing the Will of our Father and producing good fruit in the Spirit are the ways to life. Live to please the Father and serve Him, with a pure heart, and there should be nothing to fear.
God Bless.
I BELIEVE; also, in Christ is THE LIFE, you never die. Contrary to this you die. The wages of sin (UNBELIEF) is death.
John 18:24 I say therefore unto you, you shall die in your sins: for if you BELIEVE NOT that I am HE (LIFE, WAY, TRUTH) you shall die in your sins.
John 6:50 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof and NEVER DIE.
John 11:26 And whoever liveth and believeth IN ME shall never die.
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Blessed are the dead (we are dead in our trespasses) which die IN THE LORD from henceforth; Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may REST (in Christ) from their labours; and their works (of Christ in you, LIFE) may follow them.
I BELIEVE there are two deaths: now in Christ or later in Christ (second death)
I BELIEVE there are two resurrection: now in Christ or later in Christ at the second resurrection.
I BELIEVE there are two judgements: now in Christ (spiritual FIRE) or later in Christ (spiritual FIRE) at the second resurrection and second death.
The word says the wicked want live out half their life (the ONLY life is CHRIST); we don't see this now so possibly it means they will lay in the grave for a long time, or judgement in Christ will be much longer than we go thru in our short lifetime or both.
God bless the WORKS OF CHRIST.
Christians believe Jesus is God because the Bible clearly says He's God. Is that reason enough? John 1:1 flat out says it. So, so all the scriptures below that even children read and understand. It needs no creative interpreting, needs no progressive pastor to interpret, just literally what it says. Jesus being God doesn't mean He's God the Father, but God the Son. God became a man and died for you, do you believe Him?
Claiming that Christians who read the scriptures and believe are somehow just 'Americans' or 'Catholics' seems like a disingenuous attack on Christians. Labeling and dividing and lying is what I've seen done to make such anti-Christ arguments. Anyone who does this is on extremely dangerous ground. Anyone who tries to spread anti-Christ lies should be ashamed of themselves.
1 John 2:22-24
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
John 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
While John 11:35 records the only occurrence of JESUS CHRIST shedding tears as HE wept at Lazarus' grave, Luke 22:44 records HIS Gethsemane "agony" so severe that "HIS sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."
So the expression here in Hebrews (5:7), "with strong crying and tears" bears out the fact of CHRIST's "strong" emotional outbursts in Gethsemane before HE "suffered" death.
Here, the Greek word translated "strong" speaks of an emotional upheaval so intense that the sufferer is unable to resist its eruption into gut-wrenching weeping and sobbing.
Such was the manner of JESUS CHRIST's "prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto HIM".
CHRIST's "suffering", and because HIS Heavenly FATHER was "able to save HIM from death", qualifies CHRIST as the believer's singular and sole "HIGH PRIEST" ( Heb. 5:5) in the realm of Salvation.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
"the Word was God."
The Bible is 100% clear that "the Word was God"- do you agree? It says it in John 1:1 verbatim.
Who is the Word? If you keep reading it answers that in 100% clear language
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
The "Word" was made flesh and dwelt among us (people).
Verse 15 says John (the Baptist) bore witness to Him. This narrows it down so much there is absolutely no one else this could possibly be but Jesus Christ. It would take serious mental gymnastics to make it mean anyone else, but Jesus Christ.
So, let's review. John 1:1 In the beginning was (Jesus Christ), and the (Jesus Christ) was with God, and the (Jesus Christ) was God.
All of this we get from John 1, the scripture I already provided which you seemed to have missed.
But there's much more than one verse that says Jesus is God. When it says God, it doesn't mean God the Father though, but God the Son. And Jesus is Lord and as well as other terms used in reverence. Just because people have a hard time comprehending the "three are one" doesn't mean they need to try to rewrite the Bible to mean something entirely different. It's already correct exactly as it says. That's part of being a Christian and having faith.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make man in our image"
John 11:6-7 "And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."
Do you believe these Bible verses?
However, since then I have read in God's Word that this is not so. In John 11:11-14, Jesus tell His apostles that Lazarus is sleeping, but Jesus goes to wake him up. Finally, Jesus tells His apostles that Lazarus is dead. Also, see 1
Thessalonians 4:15-17. And, John 5:28-29. See, Genus 2:7. Ecclesiastes 12:7. Importantly, Psalms 146:3-4. Again, "Who Only Has Immortality? See, 1 Timothy 6:16. And those who SEEK, Romans 2:7. In 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 we learn.... Knowing what God's Word really says is priceless, see, Psalms 115:17, "The dead praise NOT the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." Must read, Ecclesiae's 9:5,6, 10. 5."For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of then is forgotten. 6. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 10. Whatsoever thy hand findet to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goes." NOTE: 2 Timothy 3:16, "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" There is more, but I think by now you get the idea.... God bless you as you prayerfully Study the above....
1. Believing without repentance in the Gospel of John
2. Repentance can be a bad thing - Exodus
GOSPEL OF JOHN
The gospel of John, as it ends tells the reader that he is writing the book for people to get saved/ believe. He says in John 20:30-31 ---> And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But THESE ARE WRITTEN, THAT YE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, AND THAT BELIEVING YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE THROUGH HIS NAME. It's the ONLY book that brings people to salvation, because most books in the NT are written to the church. MOST. But Gospel of John is written so that people might believe..
YET,
Nowhere in the whole gospel of John do you encounter the word "repent" . If its a book that claims to get people saved, you should at least get word repent even one time but its not there, but guess what! the word "believe" appears in the gospel of John 46 times(if my counting is correct). Look at some verses:-
John 1:7 - The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 6:69 - And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
John 11:27 - She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
REPENTANCE IN EXODUS
Exodus 13:17 - And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:
Here repentance is a bad thing because they would "turn" back to Egypt when they see war..
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her I AM THE RESURRECTION, and THE LIFE......
Isaiah 26:19
1 Timothy 6:16
Job 14:7-9 For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and the tender branch thereof will not cease.
(vs 8) Thought the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;
(vs 9) Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.
Chapter 11
2. Show in Bible where Jesus miracles shows that he is God.
3.I will use the topic to preach this Sunday.