Thank you for the insult "You are obviously not aware of the Scriptures." Do you mean scriptures like Matthew 5:11 and 1 Peter 4:14?
Let's address your claim: "The Bible is to the Israelites only."
Is that true? Since there is a lack of evidence for this how can we be certain if your statement is true or not?
Maybe you believe that because Jesus focused his ministry on Israel as said in Matt 15:24. But that doesn't automatically mean his teachings weren't for others, does it?
1 John 2:2 - this says Jesus died for the sins of the 'whole world', not just Israelites. Doesn't that contradict what you said?
John 10:16 - Jesus was ministering to one fold (flock) and said He had others. Could this mean He was talking about people in other countries besides Israel?
Romans 3:29 - this clearly says God is the God of not just Jews but Gentiles too. Doesn't that contradict what you said?
Isaiah 42:6 - same thing. This means He will be a light to other nations. This means the ministry DID include other people besides Israelites.
Acts 2:21 - Everyone who calls upon the Lord shall be saved. If what you said was true it would say [Only Israelites] who call upon... But it clearly says "everyone."
Have you read the above scriptures and what do they mean to you?
Do you believe all moral law is Israel-only like murder, adultery, theft, idols? So, do you think God is ok with non-Israel people committing those sins?
Sister GiGi. I understand that you wisely don't wish to pursue with this thread, but I offer the following for understanding what is seen in the verses Earl has presented.
Psalm 82:6, the verse which Jesus quotes to the Jewish leaders, refers to "gods" as 'Elohim'. This is a word that has several meanings, as it applies to both the true God & to other applications of that word. Elohim is a generic word, used for God ( Genesis 1:1); for pagan gods ( Genesis 31:30, Exodus 12:12); for angels ( Psalm 8:5, cf Hebrews 2:7); for men ( Psalm 82:6); for judges ( Exodus 21:6).
So when we come to John 10:34-36, Jesus is being accused of blasphemy, "thou, being a man, makest thyself God", since Jesus had said to them, "I and my Father are one" & in previous verses. Jesus then goes on to explain that the 'Elohim' of Psalm 82:6, which corresponds to the 'theos' of John 10:34, should actually not be a problem to them as we're all 'gods' in this general meaning of the word, 'Elohim' - we are NOT part of the Deity & NEVER will be, nor of the angelic realm, but certainly of men, rulers & judges (as those so appointed).
The Lord then continues His discourse with the Jews, questioning them, 'that if He is sanctified & sent by God, doing the Works of God, why shouldn't His claim to be the Son of God bother them?' Since we all come under the general word 'theos', if One coming, does the Works of God & brings the Word of God, should He not be rightfully (& more correctly) be called the Son of God? Is Jesus side-stepping the revelation of His actual position as God in the flesh? I see Jesus answering the Jews according to the charge they were laying against Him, that His claim 'making Himself God', was no different to any other claim to it by others. But if their eyes would one day be opened, they would realize that before them was no generic 'Elohim/Theos', but Theos Himself. They were far from reaching that position of understanding, not even understanding Psalm 82:6 & meaning of Elohim.
Hello Barbara When Adam went against Gods Word the dominion and power that he had over creation was handed to the adversary or devil Luke 4:6 and that's when he became God of this world and all creation paid for that sin Romans
8:20-22. Even the weather conditions when Hurricanes and floods, drought etc. occur its the adversary affecting remember John 10:9 The thief cometh not [his only purpose] but to steal kill and destroy. Our God is the Author of life!
Yes, most people were not literate, too. Before the King James Bible was translated, Martin Luther translated the Bible in the common language of German people. (In the 1500's) He wanted everyone to be able to read the Word for themselves to test and see if what was being taught aligned with Scripture. So, God raised up people in that time period to be able to translate Scripture, but also caused the printing press to be invented so that writings could be efficiently printed in masse.
For a long time the Bible was in languages common ordinary people couldn't read. Priests taught the people. The people had no way of knowing if it was truth or heresy.
People were burned at stake for being caught with just one page of the Bible. They tore the pages out of the Bible and shared them.
It's a sad story. King James of London set out to see the Bible was translated into English do everybody could read it. The Gospel began to spread everywhere after that.
Good Morning Jeanette The answer is already written in the word, in 2 Timothy 2:15 Gods Says to Study to show thyself approved unto God by rightly dividing the word of truth. Most people will believe one part of Gods Word and not another part or cherry pick so to speak. The words rightly dividing or divide right is actually one word[orthotomeo] which
means to cut straight or right. What makes this unique it's the only place in the bible this is its usage.
When we rightly divide the scripture is when we have correct doctrine or correct instruction on how to act and what to do. Due to what man made theology or different religious systems have elevated there belief systems above the accuracy of Gods Intended meaning. Therefore the divisions of the denominations of the believers in the body of Christ. It happened as far back as the Timothy epistles where Paul who appeared to Jesus Christ himself to preach the
gospel to the gentiles said In Timothy [epistles for leadership] 2 1:15 all of asia turned away from him, that is a remarkable statement, that tells you how bad the division in the body of Christ was back then.
I do what I do because time and time again God has bared His arm and I have Had signs miracles and wonders all during my life, not that I'm a big somebody because. IT IS WRITTEN! If whatever you have been taught is working stick to it! GodBless.
I am very secure in my salvation. Why? Because I'm trusting in the one who saved me and not in myself to keep myself saved. Thanks for sharing John 10:29. Yes, Jesus did say that no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. Then you immediately put a "but" in there and say that we can take ourselves from the Father's hand. If that were the case, wouldn't Jesus have said that? I know of no place in scripture that says I can pluck myself out of the Father's hand.
It is interesting that you say that when we sin, we lose our salvation and fall from grace and during that time we are not known by Him. Those aren't your exact words but that's the message I'm getting.
If we lose our salvation when we sin, I would think our salvation would be lost quite frequently, wouldn't you agree? Are you saying we can lose salvation, get it back, lose it again, and get it back? That's what would happen if we were to lose our salvation every time we sin.
Yes, God knows His sheep. He will always know His sheep. If we sin, He still knows us and He deals with us. Sometimes His chastisement can be very harsh.
My friend, if you are insecure about your salvation, I am sorry to hear that. I am very secure in mine. I've been given eternal life. God's Spirit has sealed my spirit. I cannot break that seal.
In John 10:28, Jesus says And I give unto them eternal life; Number one, that is pretty secure. How long is eternal? Forever! And they shall never perish. How long is never? Neither shall any man pluck them or snatch them out of my hand. There's no "but." No man would include myself!
I am would like to comment on your statement you can loose your salvation when you fall from grace.
Very well stated. This is the same point I was trying to make not too long ago, but I like the way you put it. The Lord knows His sheep. He knows all those who presently belong to Him. (This I will agree with its the next part i disagree with)
It would not make sense at all for one of His sheep to stand before Him one day and hear the words "Depart from me, I never knew you." If He knows me now, how could He say that He never knew me later?
Jesus said ( John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand). But you yourself can take yourself out of the Fathers hand. By Grace we are saved, or have salvation. We can loose our salvation by sinning and when you sin Grace is no longer with you so God does not know who you are. It is through Grace that the Father and the son Jesus knows who you are. With out Grace all would be lost and headed for a devils hell. That is the reason we should repent daily for our sins because you don't really know if you committed any sins that day unless the Holy Ghost quickens for spirit at the time you sinned. If so than it is your responsibility to repent then.
God be Blessed
stay prayed up and ready to go up
cowboy
salvation
preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.
a source or means of being saved from harm, ruin, or loss.
deliverance from sin and its consequences, believed by Christians to be brought about by faith in Christ.
Hi Gigi, Jesus said it himself. It is written in his word n black and white in the gospels. There is no getting around it. John 10:34
Jesus replied, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I have said you are gods'? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and the Scripture cannot be broken
But we know that no one lived the perfect life, so only the father, son, and holy spirit are God, but we can't say we didn't have the chance.
Sis That gets back to rightly divided doctrine, and No private interpretation which has been handed down through the ages. I do what I do because it works not because its a nice head trip, Jesus Christ walked and talked in the realm of the miraculous, we can too which I KNOW most people don't believe but that's not my problem, that's what my God through his Son paid for in full. Because of His Sacrifice and resurrection we can Hebrews 4:16, Romans 12:2, Ephesians 5:1+2,
Ephesians 1:19, John 10:10, 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 John 3:22, there are over 400 of these called promises to us who believe.
I've learned by walking out and doing that is believing, I never received nothing until I read listened and Acted which by the way is why its called the book of Acts, they believed and moved.
Hi Earl There is a difference between God allowing things to happen because he cannot break His Word, God intervening to bring to pass His Word, I am fully aware of the scriptures that you show and many others. Why doesn't he just stop all chaos and world destruction then? Why did He not stop Adam and Eve from there act of disobedience sin in the Garden.
Everything in the old testament was to bring to pass His Greatest achievement which was buying us back from His arch enemy the adversary but doing it on terms that God set up which means he won't lie or manipulate to bring His Justice to pass. He greatest achievement our Saviour on totally legal grounds, and the enemy knows this. Our God is true in all His ways and works are pure and all life giving and sustaining. When our lord and Saviour was here in person where ever he went He wrecked havoc on the enemies kingdom and brought to light the difference between the two, John 10: 9+10 steal kill destroy. The adversary manipulates to his advantage everything the true God has done that is why he will and does use scripture to His Advantage. I'm aware of what you state its how you state it, peace be to you.
Hello Robert Sir when you read the record carefully it says the devils [not demons the bible never says demons]asked if they could, and he said go, they decided where, that was not Jesus Decision. John 10: 9 The thief is always steal kill and destroy, verse 10 I am come that they might have life and have it more abundantly.
What shame. Pharisees got the answer they seek yet still not believe. We humans are blind by what we dont understand. Ye are not my sheep that is why you do not believe.
Hello Prasanth. In Genesis 15:1, Abram received a vision from God & in it God spoke to Him. As declared to us in the Bible, the Essence of God's Being revealed to us is His Word & His Spirit: not three gods, but One God manifested in the fulness of His Being. So when God speaks, as here, & many other places in the Bible, He is sending out His Word to inform or alert man.
But when God planned at a specific time that One should lay down His Life for the sins of mankind, instead of giving another animal for sacrifice or creating another man for this purpose, God sent forth His Word (from within Himself), clothed it with flesh, so that the Word of God could now be seen & heard by His people ( John 1:1-14; Hebrews 1:1-6) & ultimately lay down His Life for us all ( John 10:14-18; 1 John 3:16). So the Word of God came into the world formed as a human babe & was called the Son of God ( Luke 1:35).
I would like to support what brother Jesse said and would like to add to it if I may.
Perhaps here's what the Pharisees rejected as some Jews and Gentiles do till this day. " Ephesians 1:13. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, ( THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION:) in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," The preaching of the cross had no effect on them, they desired a sign and yet ignored all the signs even though Jesus met all the criteria for the messiah they were seeking.
Paul says in 1Corinthians 1:21-22. For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. ( FOR THE JEWS REQUIRE A SIGN,) and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
Here in John 10:37-38. Jesus reasons with them on that.
"If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."
In Mathew 12:13-24. Jesus performed the signs and wonders and healed many...
But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. In John 10:38 he said "though ye believe not me, believe the works: THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND BELEIVE, THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME, AND I IN HIM." But they contribute the work of the Holyspirit to that of Satan. For one to be saved he has to be drawn by the Holyspirit, knowingly in need of a savior and the Holyspirit would have to draw these Pharisees away from what they trusted as do some of us, THE LAW. Paul says But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, They rejected Him. "THE HOLYSPIRIT"
Hello Kathleen. If you read John 21:20-24, we see that the "disciple whom Jesus loved" was reclining against Jesus at the Lord's Last Supper. And it's this disciple who says, "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true". We know that Lazarus wasn't present at the Last Supper, so he couldn't be the Gospel writer. And we also understand that John, as others, tended not to refer to themselves by name, especially when there was a special Grace being afforded - that they not be the focal point. See 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 as an example from Paul.
You didn't cite one Bible verse supporting your feelings, I wonder why.
Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"...WORD WAS GOD."
Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.
This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.
But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Hi Earl Jesus christ always did and displayed the fathers will, in John 10:9 is the thief or adversaries will steal kill destroy, 1 John 3:8 they are opposites. The last enemy to be destroyed is death 1 Corinthians 15:54:55, also God is light and in God there is no darkness at all. God Bless that's all I have to share.
Brother Earl ! Samuel 28:6 already answers the question just something to keep in mind John 10: 9+10 The theif steal kill destroy, the true God life and more abundantly total opposites. Movin on God Bless.
There is a difference between the SUN and the Light. Genesis 1:3, 1:14-17. Revelation 21:23, Revelation 12:1-2. MINISTRY OF THE TWO ELIJAS
Many have stumbled over the Ministry of John the Baptist and Malachi 4:5-6. For some reasons:
They do not know their ministries;
John the Baptist Ministry:
1:17And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Malachi 4:5-6 Ministry:
Malachi 4:6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Similarities in these ministries
John The Baptist Foreran the First Coming of Jesus Christ.
Malachi 3:1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Matthew 11:9-10
Malachi 4:5-6 Foreruns the Second coming of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 17: 11And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. Revelation 10:7
Differences
John the Baptist was he voice of one crying in the wilderness.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John 10:41
Malachi 4:4-6
His ministry was to carry the Gift of Divine healing and Revealing the mysteries hid in the bible before the second coming.
Malachi 4:2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. JOEL 2:31, MALACHI 4:6, REV 10:7
NOW IF ANYBODY COMES TO TELL US ABOUT REPETANCE WE KNOW THAT, THAT WAS THE MINISTRY OF JOHN THE BAPIST.IF SOMEONE COMES AND CLAIM TO BE ELIJAH OF MALACHI 4:5-6 WITHOUT THE MINISTRY OF DIVINE HEALING BUT SUBSTITUTES
Hello Sherrye. I have looked at those Scriptures you gave & know them well, but I don't get it. You may need to give your exegesis on them because I feel that your understanding of them may not be what I believe. It's unwise to offer comment when there is ambiguity. Thank you.
This is what religion does not teach man. Jesus is taught to be above us. On a pedestal. This was not his teaching. This keeps us down under a goal impossible to achieve. This is the work of the evil one. Read and reread both scriptures until you get it.
Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
The born again of SPIRIT, starting with the apostles and all thereafter, until the present, are ALIVE AND REMAINING NOW, in the PRESENCE of SPIRIT clothed in the BODY OF CHRIST. ( 1 Corinthians 15:54)
He who is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT.
God is SPIRIT, Spirit is GOD.
Psalms 82:6
John 10:34-35
John 17:21-22
Isaiah 27:12
The DEAD awaiting the resurrection back to flesh, can not be caught up in to the clouds (born again of Spirit) until they are judged and die the SECOND DEATH (Truth, Life, the Way), then they CAN ALSO become SON'S OF GOD.
Isaiah 26:9
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the CREATURE waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.
Romans 8:21 For the CREATURE ITSELF shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (flesh) into the glorious liberty of the SONS OF GOD (Spirit).
Brother Chris, I thank you for your reply from the bottom of my heart and the love you show in it. I guess we will have questions until we die, and I feel our search for answers, if we humble ourselves in love as knowing nothing, in the body of Christ our walk will only be in the Spirit of truth. It's like when we were a child and we asked Daddy, Why.
Your first question; why is His only begotten Son the only one that could die for us? We think of this question mostly of me and not us, why did God send His only begotten Son to die for, rotten old me? Who am I? The unfulfilling answer is God loves us ( John 3:16) ( Romans 5:6-10.) Throughout the New Testament, God is referred to as Father, God wanted a family ( Ephesians 1:4-5). That started on day six and I feel things happened then that were not written, but that is another discussion.
The only one worthy of being the head of this family was His Son and only a holy man capable of sinning but strong enough not to sin was Jesus His only begotten Son. What is amazing Jesus was willing to do it. ( John 10:17-18). We see in ( 1 Corinthians 11:3) the structure of this family that we have messed up.
I feel there is more that is not in scripture that we can only speculate which gets us out of line. Satan is one of the reasons it could have only been the only begotten Son, and very little about Satan is in scripture.
I know you're probably looking for a more in-depth answer than this but for me, we would need more scripture covering after the seventh day, what happened when the angels left their first estate, and the involvement of Satan before the Garden of Eden. Sorry I know that is a big What!!!!
Thank you for the insult "You are obviously not aware of the Scriptures." Do you mean scriptures like Matthew 5:11 and 1 Peter 4:14?
Let's address your claim: "The Bible is to the Israelites only."
Is that true? Since there is a lack of evidence for this how can we be certain if your statement is true or not?
Maybe you believe that because Jesus focused his ministry on Israel as said in Matt 15:24. But that doesn't automatically mean his teachings weren't for others, does it?
1 John 2:2 - this says Jesus died for the sins of the 'whole world', not just Israelites. Doesn't that contradict what you said?
John 10:16 - Jesus was ministering to one fold (flock) and said He had others. Could this mean He was talking about people in other countries besides Israel?
Romans 3:29 - this clearly says God is the God of not just Jews but Gentiles too. Doesn't that contradict what you said?
Isaiah 42:6 - same thing. This means He will be a light to other nations. This means the ministry DID include other people besides Israelites.
Acts 2:21 - Everyone who calls upon the Lord shall be saved. If what you said was true it would say [Only Israelites] who call upon... But it clearly says "everyone."
Have you read the above scriptures and what do they mean to you?
Do you believe all moral law is Israel-only like murder, adultery, theft, idols? So, do you think God is ok with non-Israel people committing those sins?
Psalm 82:6, the verse which Jesus quotes to the Jewish leaders, refers to "gods" as 'Elohim'. This is a word that has several meanings, as it applies to both the true God & to other applications of that word. Elohim is a generic word, used for God ( Genesis 1:1); for pagan gods ( Genesis 31:30, Exodus 12:12); for angels ( Psalm 8:5, cf Hebrews 2:7); for men ( Psalm 82:6); for judges ( Exodus 21:6).
So when we come to John 10:34-36, Jesus is being accused of blasphemy, "thou, being a man, makest thyself God", since Jesus had said to them, "I and my Father are one" & in previous verses. Jesus then goes on to explain that the 'Elohim' of Psalm 82:6, which corresponds to the 'theos' of John 10:34, should actually not be a problem to them as we're all 'gods' in this general meaning of the word, 'Elohim' - we are NOT part of the Deity & NEVER will be, nor of the angelic realm, but certainly of men, rulers & judges (as those so appointed).
The Lord then continues His discourse with the Jews, questioning them, 'that if He is sanctified & sent by God, doing the Works of God, why shouldn't His claim to be the Son of God bother them?' Since we all come under the general word 'theos', if One coming, does the Works of God & brings the Word of God, should He not be rightfully (& more correctly) be called the Son of God? Is Jesus side-stepping the revelation of His actual position as God in the flesh? I see Jesus answering the Jews according to the charge they were laying against Him, that His claim 'making Himself God', was no different to any other claim to it by others. But if their eyes would one day be opened, they would realize that before them was no generic 'Elohim/Theos', but Theos Himself. They were far from reaching that position of understanding, not even understanding Psalm 82:6 & meaning of Elohim.
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; ye are the children of the most high.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, is it not written in you law, I have said, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, to whom the word (truth) of God came, and the scripture CANNOT be broken;
There is no twisting or interpreting this scripture.
You either BELIEVE or DON'T BELIEVE what it says.
The doctrines of men don't believe, I believe the doctrines of WORD.
God Bless You.
8:20-22. Even the weather conditions when Hurricanes and floods, drought etc. occur its the adversary affecting remember John 10:9 The thief cometh not [his only purpose] but to steal kill and destroy. Our God is the Author of life!
Such a good, good God.
For a long time the Bible was in languages common ordinary people couldn't read. Priests taught the people. The people had no way of knowing if it was truth or heresy.
People were burned at stake for being caught with just one page of the Bible. They tore the pages out of the Bible and shared them.
It's a sad story. King James of London set out to see the Bible was translated into English do everybody could read it. The Gospel began to spread everywhere after that.
means to cut straight or right. What makes this unique it's the only place in the bible this is its usage.
When we rightly divide the scripture is when we have correct doctrine or correct instruction on how to act and what to do. Due to what man made theology or different religious systems have elevated there belief systems above the accuracy of Gods Intended meaning. Therefore the divisions of the denominations of the believers in the body of Christ. It happened as far back as the Timothy epistles where Paul who appeared to Jesus Christ himself to preach the
gospel to the gentiles said In Timothy [epistles for leadership] 2 1:15 all of asia turned away from him, that is a remarkable statement, that tells you how bad the division in the body of Christ was back then.
I do what I do because time and time again God has bared His arm and I have Had signs miracles and wonders all during my life, not that I'm a big somebody because. IT IS WRITTEN! If whatever you have been taught is working stick to it! GodBless.
I am very secure in my salvation. Why? Because I'm trusting in the one who saved me and not in myself to keep myself saved. Thanks for sharing John 10:29. Yes, Jesus did say that no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. Then you immediately put a "but" in there and say that we can take ourselves from the Father's hand. If that were the case, wouldn't Jesus have said that? I know of no place in scripture that says I can pluck myself out of the Father's hand.
It is interesting that you say that when we sin, we lose our salvation and fall from grace and during that time we are not known by Him. Those aren't your exact words but that's the message I'm getting.
If we lose our salvation when we sin, I would think our salvation would be lost quite frequently, wouldn't you agree? Are you saying we can lose salvation, get it back, lose it again, and get it back? That's what would happen if we were to lose our salvation every time we sin.
Yes, God knows His sheep. He will always know His sheep. If we sin, He still knows us and He deals with us. Sometimes His chastisement can be very harsh.
My friend, if you are insecure about your salvation, I am sorry to hear that. I am very secure in mine. I've been given eternal life. God's Spirit has sealed my spirit. I cannot break that seal.
In John 10:28, Jesus says And I give unto them eternal life; Number one, that is pretty secure. How long is eternal? Forever! And they shall never perish. How long is never? Neither shall any man pluck them or snatch them out of my hand. There's no "but." No man would include myself!
I am would like to comment on your statement you can loose your salvation when you fall from grace.
Very well stated. This is the same point I was trying to make not too long ago, but I like the way you put it. The Lord knows His sheep. He knows all those who presently belong to Him. (This I will agree with its the next part i disagree with)
It would not make sense at all for one of His sheep to stand before Him one day and hear the words "Depart from me, I never knew you." If He knows me now, how could He say that He never knew me later?
Jesus said ( John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand). But you yourself can take yourself out of the Fathers hand. By Grace we are saved, or have salvation. We can loose our salvation by sinning and when you sin Grace is no longer with you so God does not know who you are. It is through Grace that the Father and the son Jesus knows who you are. With out Grace all would be lost and headed for a devils hell. That is the reason we should repent daily for our sins because you don't really know if you committed any sins that day unless the Holy Ghost quickens for spirit at the time you sinned. If so than it is your responsibility to repent then.
God be Blessed
stay prayed up and ready to go up
cowboy
salvation
preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.
a source or means of being saved from harm, ruin, or loss.
deliverance from sin and its consequences, believed by Christians to be brought about by faith in Christ.
Jesus replied, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I have said you are gods'? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and the Scripture cannot be broken
But we know that no one lived the perfect life, so only the father, son, and holy spirit are God, but we can't say we didn't have the chance.
Ephesians 1:19, John 10:10, 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 John 3:22, there are over 400 of these called promises to us who believe.
I've learned by walking out and doing that is believing, I never received nothing until I read listened and Acted which by the way is why its called the book of Acts, they believed and moved.
Everything in the old testament was to bring to pass His Greatest achievement which was buying us back from His arch enemy the adversary but doing it on terms that God set up which means he won't lie or manipulate to bring His Justice to pass. He greatest achievement our Saviour on totally legal grounds, and the enemy knows this. Our God is true in all His ways and works are pure and all life giving and sustaining. When our lord and Saviour was here in person where ever he went He wrecked havoc on the enemies kingdom and brought to light the difference between the two, John 10: 9+10 steal kill destroy. The adversary manipulates to his advantage everything the true God has done that is why he will and does use scripture to His Advantage. I'm aware of what you state its how you state it, peace be to you.
Lets put this verse in context.
In the previous verses the Lord is speaking of false teachers and how to identify them. -
Matthew 7:15-21. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
In verse 22 he gives the contrast of the deceptive vain works of those mentioned.
If you noticed the Lord never challenged them in their proclaimed works
The Emphasis is being deceived!
He said I NEVER knew you.
You see in the scripture unbelievers prophesying.
EXAMPLE: John 11:49-51. And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
This group in verse 22 was NEVER saved!
Jesus says I NEVER new you.
It's not what you know, It's who you know and who knows you!
John 10:26-28. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
( MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, AND I KNOW THEM, and they follow me:)
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Your fruit reflects what has been changed on the inside.
God bless.
But when God planned at a specific time that One should lay down His Life for the sins of mankind, instead of giving another animal for sacrifice or creating another man for this purpose, God sent forth His Word (from within Himself), clothed it with flesh, so that the Word of God could now be seen & heard by His people ( John 1:1-14; Hebrews 1:1-6) & ultimately lay down His Life for us all ( John 10:14-18; 1 John 3:16). So the Word of God came into the world formed as a human babe & was called the Son of God ( Luke 1:35).
I would like to support what brother Jesse said and would like to add to it if I may.
Perhaps here's what the Pharisees rejected as some Jews and Gentiles do till this day. " Ephesians 1:13. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, ( THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION:) in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," The preaching of the cross had no effect on them, they desired a sign and yet ignored all the signs even though Jesus met all the criteria for the messiah they were seeking.
Paul says in 1Corinthians 1:21-22. For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. ( FOR THE JEWS REQUIRE A SIGN,) and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
Here in John 10:37-38. Jesus reasons with them on that.
"If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."
In Mathew 12:13-24. Jesus performed the signs and wonders and healed many...
But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. In John 10:38 he said "though ye believe not me, believe the works: THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND BELEIVE, THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME, AND I IN HIM." But they contribute the work of the Holyspirit to that of Satan. For one to be saved he has to be drawn by the Holyspirit, knowingly in need of a savior and the Holyspirit would have to draw these Pharisees away from what they trusted as do some of us, THE LAW. Paul says But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, They rejected Him. "THE HOLYSPIRIT"
God bless.
Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"...WORD WAS GOD."
Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.
This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.
But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Many have stumbled over the Ministry of John the Baptist and Malachi 4:5-6. For some reasons:
They do not know their ministries;
John the Baptist Ministry:
1:17And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Malachi 4:5-6 Ministry:
Malachi 4:6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Similarities in these ministries
John The Baptist Foreran the First Coming of Jesus Christ.
Malachi 3:1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Matthew 11:9-10
Malachi 4:5-6 Foreruns the Second coming of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 17: 11And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. Revelation 10:7
Differences
John the Baptist was he voice of one crying in the wilderness.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John 10:41
Malachi 4:4-6
His ministry was to carry the Gift of Divine healing and Revealing the mysteries hid in the bible before the second coming.
Malachi 4:2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. JOEL 2:31, MALACHI 4:6, REV 10:7
NOW IF ANYBODY COMES TO TELL US ABOUT REPETANCE WE KNOW THAT, THAT WAS THE MINISTRY OF JOHN THE BAPIST.IF SOMEONE COMES AND CLAIM TO BE ELIJAH OF MALACHI 4:5-6 WITHOUT THE MINISTRY OF DIVINE HEALING BUT SUBSTITUTES
This is what religion does not teach man. Jesus is taught to be above us. On a pedestal. This was not his teaching. This keeps us down under a goal impossible to achieve. This is the work of the evil one. Read and reread both scriptures until you get it.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
The born again of SPIRIT, starting with the apostles and all thereafter, until the present, are ALIVE AND REMAINING NOW, in the PRESENCE of SPIRIT clothed in the BODY OF CHRIST. ( 1 Corinthians 15:54)
He who is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT.
God is SPIRIT, Spirit is GOD.
Psalms 82:6
John 10:34-35
John 17:21-22
Isaiah 27:12
The DEAD awaiting the resurrection back to flesh, can not be caught up in to the clouds (born again of Spirit) until they are judged and die the SECOND DEATH (Truth, Life, the Way), then they CAN ALSO become SON'S OF GOD.
Isaiah 26:9
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the CREATURE waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.
Romans 8:21 For the CREATURE ITSELF shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (flesh) into the glorious liberty of the SONS OF GOD (Spirit).
Brother Chris, I thank you for your reply from the bottom of my heart and the love you show in it. I guess we will have questions until we die, and I feel our search for answers, if we humble ourselves in love as knowing nothing, in the body of Christ our walk will only be in the Spirit of truth. It's like when we were a child and we asked Daddy, Why.
Your first question; why is His only begotten Son the only one that could die for us? We think of this question mostly of me and not us, why did God send His only begotten Son to die for, rotten old me? Who am I? The unfulfilling answer is God loves us ( John 3:16) ( Romans 5:6-10.) Throughout the New Testament, God is referred to as Father, God wanted a family ( Ephesians 1:4-5). That started on day six and I feel things happened then that were not written, but that is another discussion.
The only one worthy of being the head of this family was His Son and only a holy man capable of sinning but strong enough not to sin was Jesus His only begotten Son. What is amazing Jesus was willing to do it. ( John 10:17-18). We see in ( 1 Corinthians 11:3) the structure of this family that we have messed up.
I feel there is more that is not in scripture that we can only speculate which gets us out of line. Satan is one of the reasons it could have only been the only begotten Son, and very little about Satan is in scripture.
I know you're probably looking for a more in-depth answer than this but for me, we would need more scripture covering after the seventh day, what happened when the angels left their first estate, and the involvement of Satan before the Garden of Eden. Sorry I know that is a big What!!!!
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